Tea Bagger Mark Williams Thinks We Should Be Turning Illegal Immigrants Away From Emergency Rooms
By Heather Friday Sep 11, 2009 9:00am
From AC360 Sept. 10, 2009. While discussing Rep. Wilson's outburst during the President's speech, Tea Party oganizer Mark Williams says this about illegal immigrants receiving health care benefits:
WILLIAMS: Everybody seems to be leaving one very important thing out of this. And that is, the federal courts have spoken with regard to illegal immigrants or illegal aliens getting benefits, especially health benefits. We tried to bar them from doing that in California back in the '90s, and the federal courts slapped us down.
Even language specifically excluding them is not going to stand a court battle. So, whatever Obama believes -- and, for that matter, I don't even know what bill he was talking about. Does he have a proposal? Does he have a plan? What's he even talking about?
He and Roland Martin get into it in the above segment after the commercial break where Williams reiterates what he said about the courts, and Martin insists that there are no provisions for illegal immigrants to receive benefits in any of the proposed health care legislation.
Dave Neiwert gave me his slant on this:
Illegal immigrants entering an emergency room for treatment will be covered under any health-reform plan – because they are already. It’s a basic legal matter that emergency rooms cannot turn away anyone in need of emergency care. The courts have indeed decided this. The question is, does Mark Williams want it otherwise? Does he want emergency rooms deciding who lives and who dies depending on their ability to prove their citizenship? Does he want people to die on emergency-room doorsteps because they are undocumented?
Undocumented immigrants get no insurance benefits under the Obama plan, but the costs of their care will be covered under a more sane system. The taxpayers will wind up covering the costs, as they do now, but the costs should be less because the payment system will be more direct.
Those are the questions Roland Martin or anyone on that panel should have been asking Williams, but I guess that's expecting too much of CNN. I also would have liked for one of them to ask Williams if he thinks going to an emergency room is the equivalent of having health care coverage as I've heard one too many Republican member of Congress assert.
BLITZER: Let's get back to our panel talking strategy on health care reform and Congressman Joe Wilson's outburst, CNN's Candy Crowley joining us, political contributor Roland Martin, and Tea Party Express organizer Mark Williams.
We're going to get what Dana just reported. But, Mark, I want to give you a chance to respond to what Roland said, that John McCain himself agrees with the president that nothing in this legislation would give illegal immigrants in the United States the opportunity to gain from this proposed legislation.
WILLIAMS: Well, Wolf, it doesn't have to, because the courts have already spoken on. And that they will speak again if -- if -- if it happens.
But this bitterness that supposedly is directed toward Obama, if I have learned anything in my work with OurCountryPAC.org, it's that it's not bitterness. It's outrage at the socialist policies being embraced by this administration.
MARTIN: Nonsense. It's bitterness.
WILLIAMS: And that goes -- that goes double for W., by the way.
And, as far as the Republican Party goes, it's no surprise to any of us working stiffs out here that they allow themselves to be a doormat for what is happening in Washington, D.C.
The fact of the matter is, the Republican Party, as a whole, is absent without leave from this debate. And our representatives, our elected representatives, are falling down on the job of upholding and protecting the Constitution. And that's why the American people are rising.
That's why I had almost 10,000 people outside Chicago at our tea party the other day. People are sick and tired of being abused and then being called a mob of Nazis because they object to that.
BLITZER: All right.
WILLIAMS: We're the people who pay the bills.
BLITZER: Roland...
MARTIN: Wolf, here's the deal.
BLITZER: ... let me bring you into this conversation.
You just heard what Dana reported, that moderate Democrats are encouraged by what the president is saying. But here's the question to you. Will these liberal members of -- of Congress go ahead and support legislation if it doesn't include the public option?
MARTIN: Look, I think the liberals and the moderates are going to have to give on the issue. But the most important thing is, they recognize they're going to have to get health care reform. The Democrats, this is in their plank. It has been in their plank for a number of years.
There is no way in the world that they are going to allow that this moment, when they're so close, to slip through their fingers, because they cannot blame the Republicans. They will have to accept the blame themselves. Democrats control the House, control the Senate, control the White House. They can't look to anybody else.
They have got to suck it up, come out, pick out their differences to move it forward.
BLITZER: Candy, the political reality is, the president does have decisive majorities in both houses of Congress. In all likelihood, he's going to get what he wants, but not necessarily the public option, right?
CROWLEY: The public option is the one thing that even people at the White House have looked at and thought that perhaps it will have to go.
Much depends on what happens in the Senate. But it is a lot easier to see most of the liberals swallowing this and saying, OK, no public option this go-around, maybe we will see down the road if we need one, than it is to see conservatives and moderates accepting it. It just isn't going to happen.
BLITZER: Mark, is there anything...
CROWLEY: So...
BLITZER: ... your organization likes about the plans that the president is putting forward?
WILLIAMS: No. Where is the tort reform? Where is -- where is that at? That's the real problem. He doesn't want to take on the trial lawyers.
BLITZER: Well, he did say last night that he...
MARTIN: Wow. Nothing.
BLITZER: ... he would let a test go forward on -- on caps on medical malpractice.
WILLIAMS: Well, that doesn't help the tort reform. That doesn't do anything but -- but hurt me if I'm butchered by somebody not being able to be made whole.
No, he's taking us down a $9 trillion deficit path here that we have no business walking down. We have serious problems in this country.
MARTIN: So, Mark -- Mark...
WILLIAMS: We're in an economic -- we have economic issues. We have social issues. We have international issues. We're -- we're having problems in Afghanistan now.
All of these are major priorities. And this administration is watching its approval ratings drop through the 50s and eventually into the 40s, where it won't be able to accomplish anything. And it needs to accomplish much.
MARTIN: Mark, there's nothing in -- Mark, there's nothing in the bill?
Are you are telling me that you have a problem with the president saying that, if you have a preexisting condition, you're going to now get covered? You don't like that?
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: If I'm -- yes, I will find an insurance company that will cover me. I'm sure that was...
(CROSSTALK)
MARTIN: You're not going to find them, Mark. They're not going to cover you.
WILLIAMS: Well, there is probably a good reason, because it's a bad risk.
MARTIN: Wow.
WILLIAMS: And if he's going to come to me and tell me that I must have insurance, or I'm committing a crime, and then fine me, I don't think so. We all have a right to health care.
MARTIN: Mark, I want you to admit...
WILLIAMS: I have also got a right to a gun. I'm not going to give him to $1,000 for a Glock.
MARTIN: Mark, I want you to admit...
WILLIAMS: I have got a right to free speech, but they're not telling me what to say and how other say it, are they?
MARTIN: So, Mark, if your wife got sick and had a preexisting condition, and the insurance company turned her down, you would say, you know what, honey, guess what, they need to make money, it's a smart move?
You would accept that?
WILLIAMS: If somebody has a record of DWIs, can they still get car insurance someplace?
MARTIN: No, no, no, answer my question, Mark.
WILLIAMS: I'm answering your question.
MARTIN: If your wife had a preexisting condition...
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: In the private sector, where competition reigns...
MARTIN: It's amazing.
WILLIAMS: ... a company would emerge that would take on those high-risk cases.
BLITZER: All right, guys, unfortunately, we have got to leave it to rest there.
MARTIN: They don't exist now.
BLITZER: Roland Martin, Mark Williams, Candy Crowley...
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
BLITZER: ... thanks very much.
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I wonder if any of these people could refuse to help ANYBODY face to face.
It is inhuman and inhumane.
They are so backwards - refuse care to someone who needs help so as to make a better profit?
I can't feel the Christian love from these folks. Feels more like hate.
These fuckers are no more Christian than Hitler or Stalin were. Yes, they are the frgn' Nazis.
The selective memory and membership of the Christian club gets a tad tiresome.
Chrisitans' sh*t smells just like everybody else's...
He was Catholic
Williams would never turn someone away face to face, he would have his secretary do it.
-that one can catch Swine Flu, TB, or even a common cold, from an undocumented worker just as easily as from a Wealthy White Guy with lots of guns?
Also, why oh why do the Networks give these idiots a platform from which to spray and infect others with their particular mental illness?
The Government cannot, by law, muzzle the "news" organizations, but couldn't they endow a few more Public, BBC type, orgs? Something must be done, and soon.
It IS hate.
Hospitals should turn away registered repugnacans that don't have insurance since they don't want socialized care.
... they should be turned away unless they have proof of their ability to pay in full.
I mean, we wouldn't want to have to underwrite their care with MY tax dollars, right?
They should also bring their birth certificate to prove they are not an illegal.
Repugs SHOULD show their birth certificate at the E.R.
The U.S. should get their military bases out of other nations where people of color reside and also end nuclear waste dumping in Puerto Rico and other provinces of America.
The U.S. should stop exploting the precious world's resources where people of color live as well as ending the pollution of American backed-based corporations in other lands.
This idiot needs to study about what makes and contribues to the disapora of so many people around the world.
When it comes to illegals playing MLB baseball, I do not hear American idiots yelling out that loud. During the Cold War, America welcomed illegals from the Soviet Union and Ciba-which continues, in the fight against communism. America's "immigration policies" have been quite inconsistent over the last 100 plus years.
MLB has set up baseball schools in the same places that illegaks come from which these same jackasses yack and yack about. I am sure these right wing jackoffs love to watch and root for their various sports teams.
When these right wing asses start to talk about the way American-based corporations dump polluted materials in other people's lands, and ruin their habitats, then I may hear, but NEVER listen to their RACISM, which I most likely will not!
This man is a RACIST....It is time to call these people the RACISTS they ARE!
But, Right-wingers are Proud Racists
Yet, these right wingers are proud racists both in the overt and covert ways. Yes, right wingers are very proud of being racists, so, it is almost futile to confront their NAZISM.
I believe so-called "illegals" should be allowed to get healthcare if they are sick at a public health facility. I am so glad that I left the "Christian Church" many, many years ago. In the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, God does "Damn America" and especially jerks like this guy above, who is a racist.
One other Item:
Let me say that I am in total and complete support of "Illegals" receiving emergency room care! It is against one's fellows that anyone be denied care in a time of need.
Americans wonder why they are "hated" around the world? This man's attitude is one of the reasons other nations' people's do not like America. Americans need to start understanding clearly and sanely why other people around the world look down on America.
Never mind that this asswipe wants to turn away critically ill people; what about the doctors themselves that would have to deny coverage? How does asswipe williams think doctors would feel about making the decision to deny someone treatment, which could lead to someone's death?
And a "company would emerge to take care of the high risk cases?" Give me a frgn' break, mr. idiot.
What an ugly son of a bitch this guy is.
And a "company would emerge to take care of the high risk cases?"
Already has . . . called a mortuary
Good one, Handypants!
..that there is a epidemic of Swine Flu now ongoing, which,if left untreated, could easily spread and potentially become a catastrophic pandemic that kills TENS OF THOUSANDS, if not HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE!!!
But, I guess that since it's only poor folk and "illegals" and people of color and those who aren't wealthy like Williams and who can afford to pay for their own treatments, I guess that in Teagbagger Wingnut land the losses are worth saving their wallets.
And yet, our Democrat "centrists" still suck up to these whackjobs....guess what Baucus and Conrad are going to do today?
AMERICAblog: Baucus And Conrad Cave Again....
With "centrists" like these, who needs "Big Lie" Wilson??
SINGLE PAYER WITH UNIVERSAL NATIONAL HEALTH CARE...OR BUST!!!!
Anthony
Anthony_JKenn,
In a Defense Science Board Report from a few years ago, it states that the present system in America would not be able to handle any type of pandemic health crisis under its current state of affairs.
The Defense Industry is concerned that a health crisis would seriously impact the national security of the United States. So, this issue of pandemics that you talk about is nothing to laugh at, whatsoever.
You made a good point here with serious implications if not adequately addressed.
Yeah, saw that this morning. Sickening.
Although I really would like a single payer system, the Dems gave up on that long ago.
Having said that, I have to ask, isn't that a huge "compromise," giving up single payer??? What the hell do these repugs and blue dogs want?
There are things in the bill which both Dems and repugs want; Dems have comromised by giving up single payer; I ask again, what the hell do the repugs and blue dogs want?
The repugs complain that Obama hasn't listened to their plans. However, he has listened to them, and he doesn't agree. He obviously has listened to them on the tort reform issues because he mentioned it in his speech; nevertheless, he said he would order Sebilius to test caps on medical malpractice, even though he disagrees it would help.
He obviously has listened to the portability, across state lines issue because I've seen Axelrod explain that this is a very difficult issue.
Obama has listened to their proposals; the fact is, he disagrees with them, and he won the election.
The repugs in particular want a bill on their terms only. They want only a bill that exclude things that Democrats want. The repugs lost the last election. Obama won. Why is it that the Democrats have to give up more and more to satisfy these repugs?
So how do you determine who is legal and who isn't before they are treated in an emergency room? If a person is brought unconscious into an emergency room, do you make him wait to be treated until he can produce proof of citizenship? Do we make all illegals sew a big letter I on their clothing? How do you enforce that? Do we make everyone carry a national id card? I thought conservatives didn't like that idea. The level of insanity on the right is unbelievable.
I guess it would leave out any unconscious so everybody (unless you're lilly white) has to wait until they are able to talk and explain themselves.
I have talked to several people who manage apartment buildings and know hire undocumented workers. I asked them why they are doing something they know is illegal. Their response was as long as an undocumented worker produced a social security number that is all they needed because there is no standard procedure to determine whether or not a social security number is legitimate. Look how long Republicans had control of Congress and did nothing to address immigration reform or health insurance reform. The corporatocracy has no problem with illegal immigrants because they profit off them by not having to pay a living wage. Further, immigrant workers DO pay into Social Security BUT they are not privy to social security. Another cash incentive for the corporatocracy to do nothing about illegal immigrants.
Republicans love a wedge issue to divide the people.
... the two items these a**holes are bringing forth: healthcare cost for illegals, and tort reform. Both contribute to less than 5% of the overall healthcare cost.
They are bringing that forth in an attempt to take our attention away from the overhead that HMOs add to our cost, which is upwards of 30% of the total healthcare cost, for no other reason than their entitlement to profit.
sad to say, but the attempt to distract will probably prove effective. it is a form of policy-terrorism, toss a fear-grenade in the room and watch people react irrationally.
anything to move the convo away from the 500lb gorilla: obscene profit for insurance based on denial of care.
Sure speaks volumes on the ability of CNN to get ANYONE with any brains left to come on their network and try to speak in anything other than talking points. It's clear, Mark Williams got not only the talking points of the day but the whole Frank Luntz/Dick Cheney/David Addington briefing volume set to study...
Guy sounded like a broken, bad record on a scratchy phonograph ...buffoon..
for preexisting conditions? How in hell would they be able to pay for it?
no savings, assets, or future?
Good Question
a local ER here a few nights ago with gunshot wounds of various magnitudes and they were not denied treatment. The police arrived quickly though to take them into custody after what was a shootout between rival gangs.
Everyone's covered.
Sounds like Mark wants to make ER's death panels for anyone who is not a US citizen.
..mr. williams considers himself a good Christian too!
Maybe I'm wrong and he's not a 'Christian' but if this is how he feels about EMERGENCY HEALTH CARE (keyword: Emergency), I fear he's not 'human' either.
..is this how the death panels will be started? By denying Emergency Health Care to the less fortunate? What a tool!
Sorry if I'm tripping on other people's posts. This inhumane attitude psses me off to no end!
Someone who comes to the states on holidays will be denied care because they are not a citizen? Mark Williams is a friggin moron.
Was this guy foaming at the mouth as he spoke because he sounds rabidly insane. What the hell does guns have to do with a debate on health care? It's apparent that he doesn't know the details of any of this but instead is just flailing words around.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the way that people on the right talk about illegal immigrants and denigrate them reminds me of the Nazi's treatment of the Jewish people leading up to WWII. They are a total scapegoat :(
They may as well put a sign outside ER's that say
< Illegals - - - Legals >
percentile to our overall health care cost.
I mean, that makes total sense. Let's ignore the big white elephant in the room (the over 30% overhead induced by HMOs in our cost, for no value added whatsoever) and let's focus the debate on something which is orders of magnitude lower in foot print.
Yeah, that is not a red herring at all... F*cking wanker.
long as HMO Physicians work on "incentives".
long as you don't know what you're talking about.
Part of the 30% your talking about comes from HMO Physicians building their own profit by ordering and billing unnecessary tests, procedures and things.
Does that make sense?
But that's completely incidental to the 30% being discussed. That's being included in the cost, not the overhead. Also, even if it were included in the number being discussed, it would be negligible, considering the other costs...
... that 30% does not include doctor's salaries, incentives, or whatever you want to call it.
Try again. Your hyperbole is getting a tad tiresome honestly.
Would he refuse non US citizens food and water too?
If it enabled asshats like Williams to make a quick buck off their suffering....HELL FREAKIN' YEAH.
Anthony
These people are in the country illegally.
Now; why would they do that, pray tell?
Could it be that some Republican Patriot has given this person a job?
Why would that be. I mean; what possible advantage would there be in hiring somebody who has very few legal rights - aside from not having to provide insurance or a minimum wage and stuff?
If an illegal has to be treated in an ER, the duty to humanity is implicite. They should be given the best care.
The Govt should then track down the Republican Hand-Job who employed the person in the first place - an make 'em pay.
Then they should go to the aforesaid RH's business and require the sleazebag to insure all employees and give 'em all a minimum wage.
Oh - and if RH ,unfortunately, goes out of business and can't do right for those employees, the RH goes to prison and the employees divide his estate.
@Mick,
I guarantee you that the people who knowingly employ illegal labor are not limited to the Republican party. The industries that rely on illegal labor are too large not to have some Democrats engaged in the same behavior.
I agree with you, though, that if we were to eliminate illegal jobs, illegal labor would not be present in this country to fill them.
Given that many, if not most, of the people against illegal labor are also against unions and make no effort to enforce labor laws to get rid of illegal jobs, I wonder whether all of this hysteria is aimed at making the undocumented worker even more invisible and at the mercy of the illegal employer. Perhaps the Williams' of the world are just trying to erase the distinction between illegal labor and slave labor.
The better punchline is "the best part of him ran down his mother's leg."
... love it!
About a year ago, a homeless illegal immigrant came into the ER at the local hospital experiencing chest pains. He spoke no English and he smelled bad. He obviously had no insurance. So he was turned away by the doctors.
He then walked out on the front lawn of the hospital and died of a massive heart attack. That is where he was found dead.
I remember this story: it brought me to tears. And now to hear this shit faced mother fucker talk makes my blood boil.
We are all culpable in murder and there is blood everywhere.
... getting in the way of somebody else's bottom line.
If it makes you feel better, they do the same sh*t to perfectly legal American citizens too.
"...leave it terrorist here..."
Probably "...to rest..."
and I missed it. I believe you are correct and will change it. Thanks.
so, we turn undocumented people (illegal aliens, tourists who aren't carrying their passport, americans without ID, etc) away from ERs across the country... but, what our dear friends in the eat-shit-and-die party have yet to address, and what will soon be a problem if they are able to enact their people-hating policy, is: what do you do with all the people who die in front of the ER b/c they are denied care?
I say that the GOP (along their dem allies) and their corporate paymasters need to start formulating policy that addresses:
1) what to do with the dying people in front of the ER
2) how to fine/imprison those that have died in a non-dying zone.
3) how to frisk someone who is severely burnt, and/or unconscious, or a baby for proper ID. with the back of the hand?
where to you do with an undocumented person, man, woman or child, if they have Swine flu, or hepatitis? Just send 'em back into the general population? Have the arrested and put in jail?
Idiots.
Look at Texas as an example of tort reform and the effect it had on malpractice insurance rates. Texas enacted caps on malpractice suits in 2003; there are virtually no malpractice cases there anymore yet malpractice insurance rates have failed to go down-they have in fact gone up. Kindly explain how tort reform will affect health insurance affordability if the insurance companies simply pocket the savings.
... malpractice insurance down there is insane (4x what they are paying on average in Cali for example)
Malpractice costs, btw, are less than 2% of the overall healthcare cost. And guess, who sells the "malpractice insurance" to the docs?
Do insurance companies have the right to decline coverage for a doctor who has a record of malpractice losses?
Do insurance companies have the right to tell patients they cannot be treated by a doctor with a record of malpractice?
... but technically, the HMO can use the doctor's malpractice record during the contractual negotiation (if it is a private practice for example).
They may use the doc's malpractice record as an excuse to deny out-of network claims, for specialists at least. Truth is that HMOs have an incredible latitude when it comes to deny claims (and that goes for Doctors too, the HMO can technically refuse to reimburse the procedure for whatever reason, even after the procedure has been performed). They also have to provide little in terms of justification of why the claim was denied.
Malpractice is not that big of a deal for most HMOs, because a lot of the burden is put on the physicians, hospitals, and clinics... which are required to carry pretty hefty malpractice insurances.
the docs themselves can be cut from being insured due to their past incompetence, or if they just have to pay higher rates.
My question related to the insurance companies screening out bad docs for their policyholders is really one designed to raise the issue that eventually even doctor's ability to practice will be determined by insurance bureaucrats.
... either malpractice insurance will jack up their rates, or no insurer will cover them and then their employing hospitals/clinics may kick them (doctors with too many malpractice loses) out. Besides malpractice, there are other metrics doctors have to meet (successful operation in the case of surgeons for example, average patient stay, deaths during operation, etc) and which can also be used by insurers as an axe of sorts.
The docs ability to practice is determined by bureaucrats from the get go, not just via malpractice insurance. A lot of procedures have to be cleared by the insurance for the doctor to go ahead and proceed with them. And even if the procedure is approved, it is not guarantee the doctor's office won't have to go through endless hoops to get the insurance to pay for them. It is truly a magnificently inefficient system.
It is not just patients who have to go through endless hoops to get their claims serviced, but also the doctor offices/hospitals have to go through a big deal of paperwork/negotiation to get the insurer to cover/refund/pay for the cost.
Provide healthcare for everyone in the country and then use immigration law reform to solve the illegal immigration problem.
I've been thinking that maybe Osama Bin Laden should have formed an insurance company. That way he would have a license to kill Americans and no one would care. That IS what the insurance companies have now isn't it? A license to kill? It's time to put a stop to this BS now.
I guess we'll be seeing the "illegal" folks actually dying in the Emergency room or on the streets outside hospitals, because the 'real Americans' want it that way. So what if these people are willing to clean their toilets and cook their food for miniscule poverty wages....plenty more where they came from. But are those people willing to pay to bury or at least move the dead carcasses, or will we watch them decompose...great biology lesson for the kiddies. Ya gotta love the Christian Rightwingers....(really?)
Would he stand in an ER and tell a mother that her child would have to bleed to death because neither she nor her child was born in the US? Could he be that cruel? Someone should ask him.
Just because they can't prove their citizenship!
"That guy looks a little too brown for health care..."
So either they issue every citizen non-forgable ID cards, or they begin racial profiling of emergency room visitors.
"We tried to bar them from doing that in California back in the '90s, and the federal courts slapped us down."
... can distinguish between filthy illegals and upstanding patriotic Americans.
Idiot.
Yes.
I am struggling to understand the total lack of humanity coming from repugs, teabaggers, conservatives. Look at what they did to that New Jersey woman in a wheelchair last week, the one with two serious diseases. They shouted her down and insulted her at that townhall meeting.
It's patriotic to be against Obama's fantasy death panels, and it's patriotic to support state run death panels in Alaska, death panels run by insurance companies, and to also suggest your own death panels, and then also to pretend to care about WWJD. Am I on board with the correct conservative memes?
I think you are just about right in line there. One more thing, all embryoes are precious except the ones conceived in other countries.
.
They might need womb certification.
... the creation of the Department of Womb Security, all in the name of small government of course!
Womb Watchers. On the Web at WOW.Wombwatch.debt
How would he feel about non US citizens buying their own health insurance? Would he be cool with that? If he would, what about if they could have something like, oh I don't know, like a public option that they could afford?
refunded?
sale of illegals are too high. Those who had to pay them should get refunds.
As cruel as his opinions are, anti-immigrant attitudes have a lot of traction with Americans these days. Americans continue to decry undocumented immigrants as "illegals," as though there's something innately criminal about them, and Americans completely ignore the police sweeps of immigrants, unprecedented in scope and severity, that have gone on in this country for the past couple of years, with many immigrants held in cells for months without charge. Apparently Americans support this sort of thing. It's sick.
if I had the flu as a kid and got flu shots this year and still catch the flu and end up in the hospital, can they deny my claim for treatment?
disclose you were rejected by the military for the medical condition of shitting in your pants. But you could still own a gun.
In the 50's, Southern Conservatives Democrats fought against Truman's National Health Insurance bill, by spreading fear that Whites would have to share hospitals with Blacks -- the Racism Card.
Today, the face of the Racism Card is the migration of NAFTA destroyed people from South of the US border. They are brown and speak funny, and it scares White Conservative Teabaggers crazy. Republicans are using this fear in an attempt to gum up Health Care Reform.
In Florida, illegal immigration is all colors and languages. I wonder how Mark Williams would respond to the many of illegal Irish, English, French, Germans, and Canadians that live on Florida's sunny beaches. I guess they are wrong illegal for his brand of bigotry.
with my free enterpirse right to import likely Negroes to be sold at Charleston market to whichever rice plantation wishes to buy them.
If we let government interfere with my right to do that, one day they will even restrict companies from hiring free laboreres who want to immigrate here from around the globe to work. That could hurt places like Texas where there are abundant willing Mexicans right next door.
any person that needs emergency medicine in this country should be able to receive care. having said that i'm personally against "illegal immigration" for several reasons (one) being often this demographic/people are taken advantage of (second) i believe they have undercut legal labor and( third)
a net negative impact on some local government budget(s). for me it's not about race but space many other countries are experiencing the same issues(Human Trafficing). "cheap labor" has come at a cost in this country.
should not be turned away. Period. Are you going to allow an ER diagnosis of cancer or arterial blockage, then deny the treatment?
And here I thought Jesus spent his time healing the sick..I guess that little detail escaped Christians.....
Turning ANYONE away from an emergency room is immoral and criminal.....
Should Americans abroad be turned away from emergency rooms if they need medical care?
The right wing approach to 'compassion' is "I don't give a shit about anyone but ME"
The right wing sickens me, as does their Christian religion
Jesus is great, I love his message of chartity and compassion, but his cult followers are evil...
where some ERs do their damnest not to help the uninsured by dumping them, and where some hospital admins are legally allowed to apply for 'Body Attachment' of some non paying recipient who managed to wiggle through the cracks. In other words arrested and jailed for non payment. Like debtors' prison.
You are talking to a clusterfuck of assholes who claim to be Christian, but exhibit no outward signs of Christian belief, other than loud bleatings that they 'love Jesus.'
They couldn't possibly come up with any answer other than "Of course, you sniveling libtard! We're Americans!11!!!" in response to your question.
interferes with the efficienty of the market.
"People are sick and tired of being abused and then being called a mob of Nazis"QUOTE
Nice projection from this right wing tool. the right have been ones comparing Obama to Hitler on a daliy basis...
Our Country Deserves Better PAC? The concept of "country" implies organized govenmental power which may later interfere with the free movement of capital.
I'm all for personal responsibility, hard work, dedication, ambition and the rest, but if someone's dying--no matter who they are or their insurance status--they deserve medical care. An illegal immigrant is here illegally, true, but the richest country in the world can't reject health care and let someone die, we simply can't do it. It's wrong. Save their life FIRST and worry about the legal/financial consequences later.
Over at the InsWeb Blog, we discuss health insurance woes quite frequently. But I've never heard someone come out against care for uninsured who visit emergency rooms. What does he expect hospitals to do, send them out to the gutter to bleed to death or drop dead from a heart attack? That's insanity, and frankly it's disgusting.
Government is the problem.
Martin demonstrates how you have to go about educating Republicans when he asked Williams what he would do if his wife was sick and couldn't get coverage because of her pre-existing condition. You have to show Republicans how it could affect them PERSONALLY to get their attention. They don't give a flying f**k about anyone but themselves. Of course Williams tries to ignore the question, and his pseudo answer is pure fantasy. What an obvious tool.
That's a violation of basic human rights.
Even prisoners get health care, albeit often whilst handcuffed to the hospital bed railing.
compliment Obama for handcuffing the public option?
The stupidity of Williams, and of Anderson Cooper for even considering having him on CNN, is that if indeed we start denying care to ANYONE, we will see a tremendous increase in communicable diseases like drug resistant TB, H1N1, hepatitis A, and food borne illnesses in food service workers.
Outside of that, this moron has no business pontificating upon how medical clinicians should practice their trade. We treat the sick, no matter who they are. We do this to protect the entire community. This is a basic premise taught to us in any introductory public health class.
Mark Williams is another racist idiot who is too full of hate to even consider the consequences of his reationary viewpoints. His blatant stupidity is exceeded only by that of Anderson Cooper and the producers at CNN, who disregard journalistic integrity in search of ratings by giving this uneducated, self appointed expert a forum in which he advocates actions that directly threaten the public health.
CNN is a blight, almost as ridiculous as Faux Snooz
Please invade us and squash the selfish bigotry and asshatery that is stifling our nation. Health care for all and a lower drinking age. Let's see someone object to that!
This moron is almost repeating the anti-jewish in prewar nazi Germany and the Nuremberg Law, the only thing is that instead of using the word Jews he is using the word illegal immigrants. What's next? Will this guy want anyone who looks like an immigrant to bear a sign identifying them on the streets under the risk of getting shot on the spot for non compliance?
You can't use insurance as a device to provide for the public's health. It works for business ventures, even driving a car. Americans should not accept that an underwriter making a business decision is willing to let someone die because they couldn't make money off the venture.
No doctor could work for a hospital that turns away patients, especially emergency cases. You know, that oath they take..... Simply an oxmoranical idea.
"Does he want people to die on emergency-room doorsteps because they are undocumented?"
I don't know if he wants them to die, he just doesn't care if they do.
aren't these "christian conservatives" supposed to be pro life? Why do their views stop once the fetus takes it's first breath. I guess their idea of pro life doesn't include good health and death prevention thru life saving medical access. They are just greedy, power hungry lying hypocrites.
the compassion of the American neanderthal party The Republican(t)s is just underwhelming! And to think pretty much all of 'em think they're Christians... more like xtians! Believing in the almighty buck and it's all about me and mine (yay Ronny Raygun you bastid). Shite! these "people" are the scum of the earth! I hope their rapture hurries up and whisks them off this planet. The rest of us will do very nicely without a single one of 'em!
what a dumbass. I was watching this last night, and I was wondering if it would make Crooks and Liars. I had kind of forgotten what a dumbass this guy was. Just spewed a bunch of non sequitur wingnut talking points and run out the clock, while Leslie just lets him run his fool mouth.
Wonder why no one asked this dip about this and how he feels about our tax dollars in Iraq:
http://politicolnews.com/republicans-deny-chi...
Damn can anyone be this stupid?
I am here to tell you that this guy is an idiot!
I would love to tell it to his face.
Almost every thing he said was an outright lie. man it is a proven fact that republicanism is a mental illness!
I'm pretty sure that any physician who's taken the hippocratic oath would find it hard to deny care to sick people, as would nurses or anyone else with a heart. These people obviously don't have a clue as to what kinds of illnesses and injuries are seen in emergency rooms.
for children under age 18 whose parents have died because they could not get health insurance coverage to help pay for treatment of an illness or diesease.
don't be giving them any ideas...
Wow, what a fucking, tea-bagging idiot is all I can say. I also love how Candy Cornhole is qualified to talk about anything, political consultant?! That's rich.. Pass the Bill without a public option and the trigger is going to be pulled alright; on the poor and the dissappearing middle classes.
Anyone who cares for anyone else is a fag.
So maybe Mexico and Canada should start refusing medical help to Americans.
Two years ago my family was visiting Guanajuato, Mexico, and my son got very sick. We walked a block to a medical clinic to seek help. Within an hour, he had been seen by a doctor, had tests run and diagnosed with a rather serious parasite, and been given medication. Cost: $60.
A couple of days later, my wife also got sick and we did the same procedure (she just had the usual "tourista"). Cost: $60.
When we returned to Texas we checked in with our regular doctor. He told us that the Mexican medical team did everything exactly right, exactly what he would have done.
I'm sure glad the Mexicans are good, caring people who wouldn't turn away strangers who hadn't paid into their system.
Williams was a Rush Wanna-be who failed at several radio stations including two in Albany (WROW and WGY were he got fired for saying anti-arab slur in 1998). He was also the clown who called Kanye West a KKK in black sheet after West criticized President Bush's botched job in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina strucked that town and the Gulf Coast in 2006, killing thousands there. Now he's a "teabagger"? I guess that he needs that source of income to keep that motor mouth of running of his going. Better come up another scam Marky-Mark cause your time is running out.
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