Colbert Backs Up 'Papa Bear': The New Conflict is Gays vs Blacks
By David Neiwert Wednesday Nov 12, 2008 9:00am
The wingnuts and their Master, Bill O'Reilly, have been waiting for the day when those darned minorities would stop picking on white people and start turning on each other. Which is why they're selling the Prop 8 outcome as the product of the black vote.
Stephen Colbert, of course, was out giving this line of argument his own special juice last night, beginning with the Papa Bear clip in question:
O'Reilly: Here is really the crux of this issue, ladies -- and gentlemen watching tonight: Why were they outside of Warren's church? It was the black vote that voted down gay marriage. Why weren't they in front of the black church?Colbert: Yes! There wasn't one protester outside the First National Church of Black!
All Rick Warren did, all Pastor Warren did was endorse the ban to tens of thousands of his church members. We all know who voted for the ban!
[Plays news clips describing 70 percent of the black vote favoring Prop 8.]
Colbert: Gays should protest black people! The new conflict is gays vs. blacks, and blacks vs. gays. And black gays vs. themselves. It's gonna be great.
I've been saying for years these PC groups would turn on each other -- although I had my heart set on Eskimos vs. the handicapped.
Be sure to check out Dan Savage's followup exchange with Colbert, including the classic line:
"Soaking is up what you do immediately after saddlebacking."
Even Colbert had some difficulty maintaining the poker face on that one.
[H/t to Heather for the video.]
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so dang well-fed and jowly? Must be quite a bit of gluttony going on there.
seven cardinal sins.
If they believed the bullshit they are peddling, they would be aware of the fact that they have a straight ticket to the worst ring of hell.
I think most religious leaders are atheist at heart.
Countdown's Keith Olbermann explains some statistics
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/276877...
Soaking is UP what I do?
i could the laughter all the way from the bay area after Savage made that funny,"soaking up is what you
immediately after saddlebacking"......it definitely through Colbert off.
the proposition that I wholeheartedly endorsed."
I'm certain that many of the black people who voted for this awful Prop 8 are definitely more misinformed than bigoted.
I don't care if they are misinformed.
The results of prop 8 are enlightening if anything. There is a huuuuuuuge elephant in the living room of some minorities.
Jobs, Education, Health care, Home foreclosures, crime...and gay marriage? I don't think so.
got it.
Quite enlightening indeed.
... that you are repeatedly missing the point.
And it's a little alarming that you're so quick to say something (that sounds) like, 'Got it. Minorities are total assholes.'
It's not that simple. Not nearly.
Don't let a few news anchors excited over a certain group of statistics blind you to the overall statistics. As Dan Savage noted, most people who voted for Proposition 8 happened to be dang old.
What I find alarming is the exercises in denial.
We are facing the fact that some minorities, who have struggled to obtain their own civil rights, were able to vote overwhelmingly in favor of prop 8. A proposition which stripes another minority of certain civil rights.
Can we talk openly about that fact, or is this off limits?
every group in the spectrum voted this down, whites included. Have you seen the breakdown?
Spare us your racist bullshit.
there are plenty of shitheads in every pigmentation, and it is obvious sometimes blacks get a pass in this. I just try to treat everyone the same even though I constantly hear people trying to segment people into groups all the time.
The fact that you feel compelled to make such a declaration and then point out that "blacks get a pass" is quite telling.
great opportunity to display your ignorance.
I didn't say Black people didn't care, I don't believe that Prop 8 is an issue that is as important as the before mentioned issues in the black community...and I don't mean it as to be disrespectful to the gay community.
Except in churches, where in our communities denying other Americans rights is actually discussed?
There is no way I'll believe you if you are saying that the black community went to the polls with equal furor as other groups to deny fellow citizens rights.
But the fact is that the approval rate among black voters of prop 8 was upwards of 70%, while white voters were at an even 50%.
The assumption was that a community that had to struggle for civil rights, would be more aware/sensitive towards the removal of the civil rights of other people.
That to me looks like a clear failure to communicate/educate. Note, there are no winners in this clusterfuck that is Prop 8.
I wasn't alive when the Civil Rights Bill was passed, and I feel that voting against this bigot bill would had been an extension in the spirit of that important Amendment. A vote for Prop 8, especially by black people spits in the face of the 1965 Civil rights Amendment.
help me understand
....by the passing of this bill. And I don't care what other group supported this racist bill, if one black person(with our history in relation) voted "yes" on this bill, that is one too many.
I was always taught to keep my own ass clean, and not worry about anyone else's.
open your eyes and get some facts.
it's about intolerance.
who did all the commercials?
I might suggest, a great number of people that voted yes didn't see it as a civil rights issue, but a moral issue. I know gays that still struggle with that. They've been brainwashed: against god's plan etc., etc.
thank you.
There's a huge elephant in the room in many American households. Skin colour has nothing to do with it. Just look at how uniformed a huge number of Americans are.
thank you.
Is it just me or does rick warren look like this guy?
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_The_Wild...
[You mean Tim Curry circa now? Sorry ys, it's a URL that won't hot link.
You can copy and paste it into your address field, though-Sitemonitor]
There were so many commercials for VOTE YES ON 8 that I heard that were straight out lies and propaganda. I even heard a commercial stating that our FREEDOM OF SPEECH was going to be threatened if this Proposition did not PASS. I was amazed as to how much these commercials did not make any logical sense to me. But nevertheless, it passed and I blamed the people putting out these misleading commercials instead of the voters. Unfortunately, there are alot of uneducated voters out there.........
From what you say, it ain't the voter's fault. Here in Texas when we have to vote on State Constitutional amendments often you have to vote against something to vote for it.
My legal instructors referred to them as those geniuses in Austin, in an ironic way of course.
Michael Jackson Offers to Mediate the Gay-Black Prop. 8 Divide
What, not this guy?
http://www.mtv.com/news/photos/a/album_covers...
The title is "Marital Discord: Why Prop 8 Won"
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081124/kim
In Canada gay marriage has been legal for years. And guess what? It hasn't affected straight marriages ONE BIT! Society did NOT crumble, the sanctity of marriage has NOT been destroyed, and cats and dogs have NOT hooked up! This whole thing is just so incredibly silly and is simply state sanctioned homophobia. Of course, now everyone is talking about it!
How about women and dogs?
I'm still pushing for my rights for man on dog love. Thanks Santorum.
Unfortunately, Prop 8 is a huge win for the conservative movement. Not only did it pass, but the expression of outrage it has caused could further divide groups that should be working together for progressive causes. I have friends who voted for prop 8 despite my attempts to dissuade them, and we agree on almost everything else. Although it's an important issue, we can't let it be divisive.
the batele is not over.
I'm not a hard-core drunk. Before the election, when everything was uncertain. I would watch John Stewart and Colbert, and they always brought me back from the brink of despair.
I think it is interesting that at all other times, the right-wing refuses to acknowledge gays and lesbians as a minority. Now that they think they can use the "minority vs. minority" argument to win points, they are perfectly willing and eager to acknowledge gays and lesbians as such.
you nailed it
brilliant performance by Dan Savage...both on points and on humor. I'll bet Colbert said something to him in this regard after his appearance.
if only Michael Savage would come out.
If you didn't vote yes or no for prop 8, did it count as a yes vote? If so, it would be interesting to know how many just didn't vote one way or another.
Actually, I think only the actual votes counted.
and only those in California.
gays and closeted gays. Since I take it for granted homophobes are gay.
Be kind of funny if it turned out all the gay/anti-gay political crap going on was just a battle between closeted gays and gays.
Lovely little interview. Savage had great comebacks and Colbert couldn't keep the straight face... Awesome!
I heard that the other Village People are turning their backs on the black policevillageperson. Literally!
Why, is he holding a tube of KY Jelly?
Do debutantes still have coming out parties?
Wow, Dan Savage was quick on his feet! He might have had the best set of comebacks of any guest I've seen on Colbert.
I think it's funny how straight people seem to think they know what gay people think. The people that voted for prop 8 don't get out much, have a small circle of friends, have been brainwashed, or it's not their fault they happen to be simple, perhaps bigoted, and largely uninformed.
Calling all wayward black and Mormon boys to "spread some love around." Everyone is welcome. No minority turned away. White boys welcome too. My partner is an "Asian boy" (man).
that was really funny.
love it when colbert cracks up. he gets all giddy on the gay topics
*unless you are gay and your purpose is marriage.
Is there a more homoerotic name for a church than "Saddleback"? Even satire could not beget such a name.
Countdown's Keith Olbermann explains some statistics
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/276877...
I think the point that was missed here is this: the greatest travesty in the African-American community's support of this proposition is that the arguments used against gays marrying are the same arguments used to prevent interracial marriage no more than 40 years ago.
As a gay man, and for several of my gay friends, this smacks of hypocrisy on their part, or perhaps bitterness, as in "well, we were hated, so now it's your turn".
The question must be asked, how can we get them to see that hypocrisy and turn them into allies? Or can they be turned into allies, knowing the deep-set psychologically studied prejudice African-Americans have against homosexuals?
I recommend everyone read some of the following:
http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Taboo-Homosexu...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=25155
Any work by Frances Cress Welsing (not that I condone her works, but that in reading it, we get better insight into one of the sources of African-American opposition to homosexuality)
We have to understand where the hatred comes from and on what arguments it is based before we can learn to counter it. We can't just chalk up Bill O's point to white racism and turn a blind eye to the fact that homophobia is in fact a powerful aspect of the African-American community.
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