Shoshanna Johnson Calls Out JAG Tom Kenniff For 'Dangerous' Assumptions on Fort Hood Shootings
By Heather Friday Nov 06, 2009 10:00am
During some of the media's endless coverage of the Fort Hood shootings today, Larry King brought in former POW Shoshana Johnson, Dr. Phil McGraw and former JAG officer Tom Kenniff to speculate about what the mindset of the accused attacker Nidal Malik Hasan may have been. When Kenniff called some of CNN's previous coverage on the topic "psycho-babble", tried to say that a ranking officer could not be suffering from PTSD and asserted that Hasan's motivations looked more like an act of terrorism because he has a Muslim name, Shoshana Johnson and Phil McGraw both rightfully called him out for it.
When Kenniff while attempting to counter McGraw and Johnson asked Johnson if she had ever been to Iraq, she had to remind him that she was a POW:
KENNIF: I spent a year in Iraq, ma'am. Have you ever been to Iraq?
JOHNSON: I'm a POW. I got shot.
Kenniff was obviously unaware that Johnson was in fact the first female African American POW in U.S. history.
KING: We're back.
We are happy to be able to call on our friend, Dr. Phil, the host of his own show, "New York Times" best-selling author and a -- and a member of the fraternity that is from Texas.
In fact, do you know Fort Hood?
DR. PHIL MCGRAW, TV SHOW HOST: I do. I've been there and I've spent time working with some of the widows of soldiers and widows and widowers of soldiers that were lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. So I've spent time on Fort Hood. And it's a -- it's a wonderful...
KING: It's a huge base, right?
MCGRAW: It's 339 acres. It's a city within itself down there. And on any given day, you can have 30,000 or 40,000 people on the base. It truly is a city within a city and good folks. And, as the general said, it's -- it's their home. I mean this isn't a war zone, it's their home.
KING: I asked the FBI if he had -- the FBI agent if he had ever heard of a psychiatrist committing mayhem. He never had.
Have you?
MCGRAW: Well, no, I have not. But, Larry, we're dealing with a very different kind of war here. And, you know, this is a man that, from what I understand, was doing all kinds of drug and rehabilitation counseling with -- with soldiers and returning soldiers. And we know that there is a tremendous degree of stress with this war. And I think the military will tell you that it's a new animal and nobody knows exactly what to do with it. And I don't know -- everything is speculation at this point. But he was apparently scheduled for deployment, did not want to go. I think he has maybe seen the problems that some of these soldiers were experiencing when they come back to try to reintegrate into society, and maybe the fear got him, and he just snapped.
You can't make sense out of nonsense. And you have to stop and think about this, Larry. How far out of touch with reality and reason do you have to go to actually pick up a weapon and kill your friends, kill your fellow soldiers, your fellow warriors? This is a major mental event. This guy was not just having a bad day. This is a serious, serious --
KING: Joining us in New York is Tom Kennif a commissioned officer with the Army National Guard's Judge Advocates General Group. He is a general with the war in Iraq, and a criminal defense attorney. In Washington, our old friend Shoshanna Johnson, former POW, U.S. Army specialist, now serves on the Advisory Panel for the Veterans Administration.
Dr. Phil is with us here in the studios in Los Angeles.
Tom, what do you make of this?
TOM KENNIFF, FMR. ARMY JAG: Look, Larry, you know, with all due respect to Dr. Phil, you know, having been through the war in Iraq, and having seen what these soldiers go through, you know, with respect to this incident, I need to take a giant step back from all the psycho-babble I've been hearing for the last few hours.
Let's take a look at the facts of this situation. This is not some lower enlisted soldier. This is a major. He is a high ranking field grade officer. That means that he outranks approximately 95 percent of the military.
He has a medical -- he is a medical doctor. He is an MD. That means he occupies a position of prestige, not only within the military, but also within society at large.
He is paid well for the job he does. You know, this looks a lot less like PTSD, and a lot more like the Hassan Akbar case in 2003, where another soldier who has an Islamic last name, throws grenades randomly into tents occupied by his fellow officers, and by his fellow soldiers, for no other reason but to commit acts of terror, and to instill fear on the military installation, and to bring attention to himself.
SHOSHANA JOHNSON, FORMER POW: Hello.
KING: Are you doing, Tom -- by mentioning Islamic last name, are you doing speculating of your own?
KENNIFF: I am speculating. . That's true. We have very limited information right now. But we're all speculating. And what I'm saying is my speculation seems to fit a lot more in with the reality of this case.
JOHNSON: No. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. I think you're talking --
(CROSS TALK)
KING: Hold it. Let's --
MCGRAW: I don't think you can say that. I think that's a terrible innuendo here.
(CROSS TALK)
JOHNSON: As someone who suffers from PTSD, I know exactly what I say to my psychiatrist. And if he is sitting back and hearing this day in and day out, the fear may get to him. The fact of the matter that he is a major, or the fact that he is a doctor doesn't excuse that he is a human being and he feels.
You're saying because he is a major in the Army that he is not going to feel the way a private does.
KENNIFF: I'm saying it makes it a lot less likely --
JOHNSON: That's crap. Why does it make it less likely?
KENNIFF: Because A, you don't that he has even been deployed.
JOHNSON: He hasn't been deployed.
KENNIFF: Right. Let's forget PTSD then because he is not --
JOHNSON: Maybe the fact is that you're a Jag officer, and you have no idea what it's like to be in combat.
KENNIFF: I spent a year in Iraq, ma'am. Have you ever been to Iraq?
JOHNSON: I'm a POW. I got shot.
KENNIFF: Aye been in Iraq as well, and I respect that, and I --
JOHNSON: You stayed in the green zone. You stayed in the green zone.
KENNIFF: I was never in the green zone. I was in a forward operating --
KING: One at a time. One at a time. You are both talking at the same time.
JOHNSON: This is hard to deal with every day. I'm not excusing his behavior one bit. He needs to pay for what he did to those soldiers. But for you to say that because of his education, because he was an officer, that he didn't feel the way other soldiers feel is ridiculous.
KENNIFF: I never said -- I don't know whether he felt or didn't.
KING: Hold it. Tom. You did mention his Islamic last name, which I don't --
MCGRAW: I think that is irresponsible to say. I just don't think we know enough about that. All I'm saying is you have to consider this is not a well act. This is not something a rationale person goes and does.
And you can call it psycho babble. You can call it whatever you want. But well people don't pick up guns and go shoot their friends and their fellow soldiers. That just doesn't make sense.
I don't know what the origin is. That is a sick individual that would do that with fellow warriors.
KING: You're not saying --
MCGRAW: This is ridiculous.
KING: You're not saying this isn't a sick person, are you?
KENNIFF: Of course, it's a sick person. People who commit terrorists attacks are sick people. I mean, no one is arguing that this is a rationale act. If he was motivated by ideology and hypothetically -- we don't know it -- but if that was an Islamic fundamentalism, you know, that doesn't make it any more rationale.
The argument isn't that he shouldn't be held accountable. The argument isn't that he is not mentally, you know -- does not have some serious mental issues. But we all seem to be jumping to the conclusion that this must be, you know, PTSD or it must be his involvement in the military that led him off the deep I understand.
Look, a lot of people go to Iraq and Afghanistan. They come back. A lot of them have issues, and a lot of them don't. If we're going to speculate as to motives, then speculating that it might be an ideological motive is just as, you know, proper as speculating that it might be PTSD or some other trauma.
JOHNSON: Insinuating something like that is dangerous.
KING: Of course, this is -- I think he is saying, of course, it's a sick act, but it could be a terroristic sick act as well.
MCGRAW: It certainly could. But you don't take the guy's last name and impugn the Islamic nation. Are you kidding me?
JOHNSON: That's ridiculous.
MCGRAW: What are you talking about? That is irresponsible. It is ridiculous to say.
JOHNSON: It's dangerous. Very dangerous.
KING: Don't go away. We'll be right back. Don't go away.
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America commits acts that would be regarded by its victims as terrorism. We are motivated by ideology, whether Manifest Destiny, or the Bush Doctrine, or the antiCommunist/proChristian fervor of the Dulles brothers in the mid-1900s. What's America's diagnosis?
They're talking about two different definitions of sick. The Jag is saying anyone that does this is sick and despicable, whereas everyone else is saying he has psychologic problems.
This guy thought he was on Fox and got caught spinning the wrong message on the wrong channel!
where?
He said: "People who commit terrorists attacks are sick people."
No, a terrorist is a desperate person. Desperation can occur naturally or it can be forced.
All I ask is that pundits think a little...
With our current crop of pundits, you might as well ask a walrus to write.
LOL
Count_Slappy
Thinking... would get in the way of their agenda.
"evil." The only profession that could make money from curing evil people would be exorcists.
Thank ya!
Narcissistic sociopathy with violent tendencies.
It's a murderous freaking racket that benefits armament manufacturers and the few at the top who never have to fight in them.
kenniff has about as much to offer in this conversation as my dog's chewie. then, add to it his speculation and trying to link hasan to akbar and you have grandma's bullshit recipe.
"War is not its own end, except in some catastrophic slide into absolute damnation. It's peace that's wanted. Some better peace than the one you started with."
Lois McMaster Bujold, "The Vor Game", 1990
War should be the LAST resort. Here we are the greatest military force in the history of mankind, large than the rest of the planet combined, and we use the threat of force as a negotiating tool?
That only shows how weak our principles are and how foul our values have become.
Was some Iraqi citizen suing one of the Blackwater employees?
You nailed it. I pegged him as the kind of guy that passes an S.B.D. and points to another guy.
When economies slump to the point to where economic activity literally ceases, and the powers that be (industrialists) say . . there's no money in this, we're going to have to destroy something so we can rebuild it.
Imperialism is about resource grabs and installing puppet governments friendly to imperial desires.
Here in the U.S. the capitalists have basically said, 'there's no money in this' and moved to China where they can exploit an endless supply of cheap labor and corrupt officials. Beats being bombed into oblivion like Germany in WW2 I suppose?
of course this was terrorism. the state of fear and submission was successfully accomplished. it is terror like 9/11 was, the OKC bombing, predator drones in af/pak, the beltway snipers, KKK burning crosses, etc.
the notion that the msm pushes, that "terrorism" is solely the realm of al qaeda/taliban/PLO/hamas/hezbollah/etc, is pure bullshit.
irresponsible
Shooter still at large. I-4 shut down, local traffic here locked up.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=...
I have never met Kenniff, never read anything about him or written by him, never heard him speak before, and yet I am about to engage in some wild speculation about him.
Kenniff strikes me as one of those people who always knows more than anyone in the room. You know the person who has done whatever you have done,(but did it first and better); the one who has been everywhere you have been (but stayed in a nicer hotel); the one who, regardless of the topic under discussion, knows more about it than you do.
Just speculatin'. ;o}
the truth.
the title of the book seems to be about how to go about applying for production jobs, etc in television; but in reality it is more about the trials and tribulations of susan walls, television producer to various talk shows. it is about how they come up with the show concept and guests in a matter of hours, and how the guests become regulars, and if lucky they may get their own show (just like dr. phil). it is an unintentional eye-opener. in turn it is also about how to get a job as a talk show guest, and then to be called back as a regular.
i think tv news talk shows are run the same way, it is apparent that they do; that being said, we are in a world of hurt, and it explains why these 3 people were picked as well as the lame topic matter we are always seeing. it is about cost-effectiveness, short-order production, and gossip column topics.
Shoshanna _brought_it_!!! She slapped kenniff down with authority. Well done, S! We need more like you,,,
is another country's freedom fighter. I don't think this man was either.
Yesterday on C&L there were people claiming this was some right-wing nutjob before they had any facts. When Jim Adkisson and other Christian nutjobs have gone on killing sprees many here, including myself condemn the hate and bigotry of the Christian Right.
Why is the same not OK with Islam? What makes them so special that we can't denounce them?
This is going on in NYC:
Protected by the Constitution of the country they detest, radical Muslim converts like Yousef al-Khattab and Younes Abdullah Mohammed preach that the killing of U.S. troops overseas is justified.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/radicals.mos...
Seriously, why is it so bad when people "suspect" there were religious reasons for the killings?
Because there's a huge difference in how we react as a country depending on the religious background of the offenders in question.
Israeli terrorism (known as Jewish terrorism to people too stupid to know the difference) in the form of killing innocents in the Gaza Strip and other occupied territories is largely ignored, never the cause for war or strife.
Bombing abortion clinics and shooting doctors --- some people even raise legal funds for the perpetrators. I think that counts as Christian terrorism. Maybe that Timothy McVeigh character, as well.
Terrorism perpetrated by a person of the Islamic faith, however, causes trillion dollar wars and a redaction of civil liberties.
The act may not be any more heinous, but people here are horribly xenophobic and racist as a whole in this country. People make snap judgements about others, and if they look like some kid next door, it's a bit more difficult to rationalize it, instead of jumping to some jingoist tribal fantasy about "us vs them".
You're blaming on terrorists what booshco did to this country?
All the 9-11 guys did was give him a pretext the Neo-Cons were already looking for.
Only a few killed would've sufficed.
I was pointing out that it wasn't the terrorism, but the perceived difference between the background of the terrorists and the supposed American norm that incited the war.
They needed a war, and it was far too easy to strike up "Crusades Part II", preying on the religious "right" to goad people into believing there was some divine cause in attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
The base cause is still that most people hate and fear what they don't understand. Right now it's Islam. Hundreds of years ago it was Judaism, before that, varying forms of paganism. "Us vs Them".
Feeling so emboldened by the The 1/1,000 of a million Mullet march, aren't we.
Calling out xenophobia in America places me in the legions of mullet-wearing teabaggers? I'm curious about your train of thought.
I am actually surprised to see YS and LnP's reactions in this thread.
made pretty good sense.
Fri, 11/06/2009 - 10:32 — hackenbush
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Islam, Judaism, Us, Them you all capitalize, but not Pagan?
And the historical analogy is incorrect, Paganism did not see themselves as a singular group, the term is used by those of the Abrahamic faith to describe those of non-Abrahamic faith, even though the Abrahamic faiths were late arrivals.
However, if you were refering to Pagans hating and fighting other Pagans, you'd be correct.
The Abrahamic Faiths led to the McDonaldization of Religion, Over a Billion Souls Saved!
Saved from the threat they invented.
Claiming this was "terrorism" is wrong for many reasons as you stated. And I know there are a lot of maniacs who would lash out at Muslims (or any brown person who looks like they're not from around here).
Does that mean we don't talk about it? We can't publish a cartoon or a book or anything because it might make them look bad? Not a good argument.
Does it seem somehow surprising that terrorism immediately leaps out as the cause for this as soon as the religion of the primary suspect is revealed? I would assume that if he were a good practicing Southern Baptist, the word "terrorism" wouldn't have been in the same conversation.
We can assume that every time someone conflates "Islam" with "terrorism", the collective association grows to the point where it's almost indistinguishable for the average American. It's not about making "them" not look bad, it's about not pushing a really bad stereotype when there's no reason to push it as a theory.
Or at least no more than calling H1N1 a terrorist plot.
fit a specific point of view (or shape the perception of reality). And that is as true now as it was when Orwell described it.
For example, how can a person fighting in his own country be considered an "insurgent?" Well, the reason is very simple, naming the Iraqi resistance as what they are: the resistance. That would sort of imply that the American troops are indeed what they really are: the invaders. Instead the term "insurgent" turns the American troops into the victims and the people resisting the invasion of their country as the perpetrators of "evil" deeds.
My point was to address the people who yesterday were jumping to the conclusion that this was a right-wing nutjob and have denounced Christianity for the actions of a few crazed maniacs, yet jump to the defense of fragile little red-headed step-child Islam from such critique as well.
Right-wing violence is called "terrorist" violence all the time. Even the Southern Poverty Law Center calls it that.
I'm not saying it's accurate, as I don't see the actions of a rag-tag group of skinheads to be any more politically minded than this guy's killing of his fellow soldiers. But, I am saying that for those of us (like me) who claim Christian's who do not take action against the fringes of their religion, and those who support hate talkers like Pat Robeson and the likes need to own up to the fundies who go on murder rampages in Jesus name, cannot pretend that the same isn't true for "good" Muslims.
pent up rage from harassment?
(speculation vs news to continue...)
I know people of varied faiths and ethnicities get harassed horribly, and even more so in the military, but that is not an excuse.
I've been interviewing vets for two years now who have gone through much worst than this guy did and haven't killed anyone (aside from actual war killing). Try being a woman soldier and having your husband killed in war, then being wounded yourself, then raped by your fellow soldiers and forced to keep silent, then upon leaving the military your disability pay is delayed for over twenty months and you are living on the streets. Yet, this woman has not harmed anyone. Neither have any of the other vets I've talked to who've gone through horrible mistreatment by the military and fellow soldiers.
The facts aren't in yet, but if people want to speculate about it being PTSD, harassment, deployment fears, and everything else, why can't one of the reasons be because he's been radicalized by his faith?
There's a lot of information out there, not all of which is going to be right.
For example, I was trying to figure out how someone with just two handguns could shoot 40+ people.
Turns out, there may have been some friendly fire involved.
Adding that little detail of the Muslim intonation is a good way to deflect the attention off other reasons for the violence.
I have a post coming up discussing that.
As soon as I read that Hasan "yelled" Allhu Akhbar...my BS sensors redlined.
There's more, much more to this than meets the eye...
For example, I was trying to figure out how someone with just two handguns could shoot 40+ people.
Nicole, I had that exact discussion last nite.
Have the weapons been identified?
A glock 9mm can have clips that hold close to 20 rounds...
a few extra clips...and reloading takes mere seconds.
It's not that unreasonable a theory.
If friendly fire was responsible for some casualties - which it's sounding like may have been the case - then that changes nothing. There never would have been friendly fire if there hadn't been hostile fire in the first place.
But that's the problem. Handgun is a loose term, and no one said semiautomatic.
Too much speculation and not enuf facts. This is where Nicole's other thread is exactly right.
These media types make up facts when they don't have real facts to report.
It's not irresponsible. It's dangerous. One of these days, this type of loose reporting is going to set off a riot. Loose rumors and speculation got innocent black people HUNG in the old South. Hung by the same types of ignorant half wits that these so called journalists are playing to.
when they had the press conference...the general had repeatedly stated Hasan had two guns, one was a semi automatic for sure.
But seriously...who goes around with a revolver anymore?
Me. You can't put the devastation of a 44 Mag into an auto.
It is a final prayer, as well as a statement of faith offered many times as affirmation or blessing or acknowledgment of community.
Just as Christians have sacraments and rites, Jews and Muslims have things which must be said and done during a lifetime as a believer. Even people not "of The Book" often have a tradition of a final prayer or statement.
Hasan fully expected to be killed, and quickly. For a depressed and stressed man, this is similar to suicide-by-cop. If he simply wanted to kill soldiers, he could have sniped (or messed with the wiring in the showers). By opening fire in the middle of thousands of armed & trained killers, he could feel certain of being killed.
Why does larry king still have a job... his timing is almost worse than chris mathews...
he is really dead from th neck up, but then, i just watched democracynow.org
oh ya,
this jag-off officer is a racist twit and just plain dangerous...
Really? It's probably terrorism because the guy has a Muslim-sounding name?
Whatever happened to FACTS?
This clown is a disgrace to the office.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea...
I'm talking the standards of a court of law, which this JAG loser has to abide by.
"Muslim-sounding last name" = Terrorist does not stand up in court. It wouldn't even fly in an episode of Perry Mason.
I know, work with and am friends with a lot of Muslims. They deplore having their bible twisted by the extremists of their faith as much as any reasonable christian does.
>"Islam is a hopeless religion w/o salvation, unless you die in the act of killing infidels."
You're either ignorant or a vicious liar.
Imbecile Kenniff thought that he was on the bullshit tolerant Fucks News. A commentor at a previous thread tried to use this tragedy to attack the Muslim religion.
Remember a few months ago, during the protests in Iran after the corrupt election?
Every night, citizens would stand on their rooftops and yell 'Allahu Akbar' to show their support for democracy. The western media, including conservatives, called this heroic.
Now the fact that this nutty killer doctor yelled 'Allahu Akbar' is held up as proof he's a terrorist. What bullshit.
Why are they talking to this FatAss.this fuck tard was and is a bush lover.He is a dr poser. hey doc, hows that diorvce going.
Reality, as seen in your TV
speaking of it.
TV is not REALITY. Repeat, is not Reality.
Ghost Hunters?
That's real innit?
but it's like Medium
I don't know...some of those boys look more like a "husky" to me.
And Myth Busters...where they blow up shit for real!!
Sully the good names of Teh Savage and Teh Heinemann.
;)
It's far too late for that. ;o)
Consider your invite to my 40th bday in Sept. hereby revoked! };p>
40th?!? Transformers or GI Joe theme?
Actually...haven't thought up a theme yet...
I suggest you save up for your 50th. My 27th was my best ever, but my 50th almost topped it.
There were fewer people involved, but 'what was there was cherce' [/Spencer Traceman]
No one will expect THAT one!
HA!
Even though I can't wait to see what creative way Nature is going to come up to make them shut up.
... I cringe at the show but I still like it.
But I wish Junkyard Wars would come back. sigh
Dr. Phil: It's 339 acres. It truly is a city within a city and good folks. And, as the general said, it's -- it's their home. I mean this isn't a war zone, it's their home.
All war-zones are someone's home, you tunnel-visioned, racist ass-hole.
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...or we wouldn't be fighting over them. The land is desirable either for living (settlements, annexation)) or snatching resources, and an extant population gets in the way. They're usually seen locally as "good folks" too.
There are probably three hundred thirty nine payday loan offices outside the front gate. But Ft. Hood is bigger than some states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood
What filters are you using?
I understand psychiatrists as a profession has the highest number of suicides, and dentists second.
And that's just dealing with civilians.
or close to it...
as nutty as anybody else, maybe more so.
Emergency Response Personnel
Doctors
Medics
Members of the Armed Forces
Lawyers
Psychiatrists
Hospice Workers
Abortion Clinic Workers
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_Top_ten_profe...
But, "But experts on suicide say that statistics on its relation to occupation are not clear. There is no national data set on occupation and suicide. Local studies indicate elevated rates in different occupations, but the data usually "turn out to be frail," says prominent suicide researcher David Clark, PhD. "
http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan01/suicide.html
Mostly to Miami!
I have a great dentist, but for some reason he's never there when I have an appointment.
Do people offer you breath mints alot?
I wonder what Elmo thinks of the tragedy?
The JAG is going to have to spew his talking points louder and endlessly if he hopes to make a living as a pundit for the right.
Maybe he have started out by talking to FOX News, the Single A Ball of right wing extremist wing nuttery.
Does it lool like roles are reversed?
See, this is what is going on in AMerica today. This SOB JAG come on TV and spews his racism, Right wing hate ideology and everything sick and thinks he can get away with it. Not enough Shoshanna's too many of these A-hole types! This is why I am worried everyday about this country. We are drifting into a Fascist state by the minute.
Well thank you Shoshanna for being a human being and not a killer robot, despite the fact tha you were once a POW!!
for a week.
Fox News pundit Glenn Beck suffered an attack of appendicitis while doing his radio show and had to have surgery, a spokeswoman for Fox News Channel said. Andrew P. Napolitano, who filled in for Beck on TV, said Beck should make a full recovery.
I wonder if he's actually in a straight jacket in some rubber room and they are lying.
He's probably driving the other inmate crazy too.
was the stuff of legend.
They repeat @ 7pm right?
.
and no sound at work :(
Try to catch up the rerun in the afternoon. Stewart went on for half of the show as Beck. He certainly nailed the magnitude of the crazy train wreck of a human being that Beck is.
I HATE being poor!
tonight, if it doesn't repeat @ 7...
I will bug my neighbor.
So your teevee friend is not available to tell you what is happening?
It's awful I tells ya!
Crapp!!!! Rats!!! Shucks!!!
But I'm willing to bet the nurses caring for him are members of the SEIU, which he's been demonizing for the last couple of weeks.
Karma?
it's probably hopeless in his case.
How bout a nice catheter?
.
I hate catheters..
as to who appears to be Muslim sympathizers?
Shoshanna Johnson would be the first African-American Woman POW
At least 8 injured in Orlando, Fla. shooting; gunman on the loose
In Disney? Have they armed the patrons yet?
...things are falling apart at the seams?
. .
Oh my a Muslim yesterday and a Mexican today fasten your seat belts and get out your hearing protection.
over this.
Probably Cubano.
Could be a Latino from any Latin country...
I'm sorry, but what are most people going to think when they hear Nidal Malik Hasan?
If his name was John Smith, you could probably rule out a jihadist motive, but not if the name is Hasan.
And maybe it was an act of act of terrorism. All terrorism doesn't have to be of the Islamic extremist variety. Ask Timothy McVeigh.
And maybe it was a case of PTSD or nerves or whatever mental disorder you care to call it. Can we investigate a little more before jumping to conclusions?
If his name was Hasan, you could probably rule out alcholism, but not if the name is Pat O'Shaughnessy.
And maybe it was an act of act of alcholism. All alcoholism doesn't have to be of the Irish extremist variety. Ask the Gallo Brothers.
Try again.
You're making the assumption that Hassan is an observant Muslim.
That's like assuming O'Shaughnessy is a Catholic, when he could very well be a Protestant.
Hmmm...should I have used a "safe sex" analogy then? ;o)
What? Are we supposed to feel SORRY for this asshole? To hell with his "mindset"...he murdered 12 people. I hope they hang his ass.
NO, we're not supposed to 'feel sorry' for this guy.
But we ARE supposed to observe little niceties like FACTS and LAWS, rather than jump to conclusions.
Yeah...there's that whole pesky "innocent before proven guilty" and trial by jury of your peers thing.
Well done, Shadowgm.
... having shot like 2 dozen people and all.
However, we need to understand the justification and the context, not just the outcome. That does not imply pity or commiseration with the shooter, it just is the most basic of approaches under which our legal system used to operate.
him, I want to do so for the actual reasons.
The most important thing at this time is to find out the real reason he did what he did so rational action can be taken to prevent a repeat episode. That is what smart people do. Hanging or not hanging his ass is really more or less irrelevant at this time.
Kenniff did not know that Mrs. Johnson was a celebrated POW...zero preparation.
bring in regards to preparation. Just be thankful he wasn't negatively prepared like some of his brethren...
I'll bet that error never registered in his high opinion of himself.
... he wasn't listening to the show in the green room.
I love it!! Did you see Shoshanna Johnson rolling her eyes and getting ready to eat his lunch! How could this guy be so stupid as not to recognize her name if not her face! She was only captured and held prisoner in the Iraq war for Christ's sake. I thought she was going to come out of that chair and Whoop His Ass. My Girl!
who reads stuff like Corsi puts out.
I think it's "moroon" or "moran"
:)
is douchebag.
Corsi Family May Have Terrorist Ties
Ft Hood Shooter May Have Read Corsi Article
See how easy.
If one crunched the numbers I bet the percentage of one religion versus another for mass murderers or just plain crazy people is similar and a very low number.
The reasons are never going to make sense to anybody because the act doesn't make sense.
We will be no better off for knowing but whatever the reason we should be ready to learn something about ourselves or it won't help one iota.
Our cause is always just.
Our enemies' causes are always unjust.
What this discussion shows is that the smartest people in the US army is not usually their officers. The JAGs comment I would have expected more from Johnson than from the JAG. But it is easily explained because the education system in the US makes most education a purchased commodity and not a question of the smartest getting educated and occupying the leadership positions. That JAG officer should really be ashamed of himself, his ignorance and racism. Yet he is a trained lawyer. He totally shows why his argument is wrong and clueless because going by his argument one will not expect somebody as educated as him to make such an ignorant and dangerous argument.
does this tool, and I mean that literally, work for now? I'll go look.
Raiser and Kenniff, Attorneys at Law. A NYC criminal defense law firm founded by Kenniff. There you go: services for sale.
If this guy was a JAG(off) in a forward area I would like to call bullshit. No JAG would be on a patrol, man a OP, do guard duty, or any of the other shitty jobs that grunts do, they sit in aircondition offices and push paperwork. To have this guy say to a POW that "I was in Iraq" is very insulting. When I was in the army we had a special name for people like him REMFs, Rear Escholon Mother Fuckers, he fits it to a tee.
peeps in the military, go figure.
Fobbit.
3 Clowns and Shoshana Johnson.
In my view, she is the only person in this clip that has any relevance. The other 3 don't deserve to be on the same TV as her.
Larry King's only talent is cutting off guests when they are about to say something interesting.
Jag guy came to a gunfight armed with a wet noodle and got spanked hard.
"Dr." Phil is some kind of creepy joke.
"Larry King's only talent is cutting off guest when they are about to say something interesting."
LMAO.
EXACT "talent"!
She shot them down with a direct and honest statement. Good for you Shoshana.
What a DORK he is not to know who Shoshanna Johnson is. Dipshit! Still, he goes home, and his mama tells him he's the bestest boy in America, and he feels as fine as he did before he made himself a dumbass in front of the whole world. I hate how political rightie spokes-folks don't even get it when they're drowning in it. They all bolster each other to keep from ever having to get it.
However, I sure don't think the Fort Hood shooting story is getting too much air time. It isn't getting enough. This is MANY STORIES. I want them all, and I don't want this buried.
Most insipidly of all, the Orlando shooting today is getting exactly the same attention as the Fort hood shootings yesterday. You want a TV update on the Fort Hood shootings, read the ticker at the bottom of the screen.
aren't talking about enough is the incredibly high rate of suicides at Ft. Hood.
We have enough to be ashamed of Larry. "Dr." Phil is an Okie who went to high school in Kansas.
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