Sen. Lugar: Put off Health Care Debate Until Next Year to Concentrate on War Strategy
By Heather Tuesday Dec 01, 2009 10:00am
From CNN's State of the Union, yet another Republican joins the ranks of Lindsey Graham with saying spending on war is more important than passing the health care bill.
KING: Do you support a separate accounting, a separate war surtax?
LUGAR: I believe there will be a separate accounting, but in any event, I think we will have to pay for it. I would just make this suggestion, that in the three weeks of debate we still have ahead of us, we really ought to concentrate in the Congress on the war, on the overall strategy of our country and the cost of it. And we ought to be on the budget. Passing appropriations bills in a proper way.
Now in the course of that, we may wish to break out that. We may wish to discuss higher taxes to pay for it. But we're not going to do that debating health care and the Senate for three weeks through all sorts of strategies and so forth.
The war is terribly important. Jobs and our economy are terribly important. So this may be an audacious suggestion, but I would suggest we put aside the health care debate until next year, the same way we put cap and trade and climate change and talk now about the essentials, the war and money.
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I can't stomach these assholes any longer.
They are just fucking insane!
They don't want reform and they'd just like to run out the clock on it. What, they can't walk and chew gum at the same time?
War and money.
I cracked up laughing (even though it's not funny.)
War and money. He's an honest old (GOP) f*cker. Let's talk some more essentials, war and money. Ooooh yeah!!
RW blather.
Why bother - they are always saying the same thing.
Too much of a rush (only been 100 years)
Slow down
Wait until ___________
UGH!
And we ought to be on the budget. Passing appropriations bills in a proper way.
Yeah...so everyone can say...."ooooooh....we have no money for healthcare."
But when Bush and the elitist cocksuckers wanted to cut taxes to the rich during a WAR, then it was ok to leave the war off budget.
For those of you that bitch and moan about money...this is WHY...the budget is BULLSHIT. The debate about deficits is BULLSHIT. American prints the money she needs, issues the debt she needs...and the world takes it. PERIOD. When it is politically expedient, shit is taken "off budget", no discussion...no debate. The left side of the aisle blows the right side of the aisle, the right side of the aisle blows the left side of the aisle, and they both blow the elites and everyone is happy. When it's expedient to put shit BACK "on budget" in order to deny spending money on the dumb rube Americans, then it's done. The left side of the aisle blows the right side of the aisle, the right side of the aisle blows the left side of the aisle, and they both blow the elites and everyone is happy.
That's how politics in this country works. All this "debate" over budgets and priorities...all done as part of a divide and conquer strategy to maintain control over the process and the money.
Listen up, children. This is how it WORKS.
As long as we can also put off paying your gorram salary and health benefits until we fix the deficit.
Jerk.
The White House estimates that sending 30,000 reinforcements to Afghanistan would add approximately $30 billion in new costs per year, or about $1 million per soldier or Marine.
The Obama administration requested $138.6 billion for overseas operations for fiscal 2010. Cigarette change!
Obviously for an occupation that is a real good deal.
While spending $30 billion on healthcare is just a waste of good war money on sick people who should have had a job and insurance?
Maybe recruiting is down again. More unemployed makes jobs in the military (w/healthcare) seem like a good deal too (unless you're killed or injured)
These SOB's are as heartless as anything I've ever seen.
And then they'll be another war, and then yet another war,then good grief yet another war...
Than what?
Injured soldiers have to be treated.
Only until the mechanical troops are fully deployed.
Then the military complex will have attained nirvana. No dead Americans, so shit...just blow up as much shit as we want, as long as we cant cause...heck...their only feriners...and we gotta keep em in line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TBcQ8h_kXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgjmFBX34zc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZfOCyhzZM
In 2011 Skynet went online. It decided that humans were a threat to the machines. It declared war on the human race and launched a nuclear attack against Russia which led to the deaths of 3 billion humans.
The War of the Machines began.
... Skynet or HAL 9000 (who went psycho because the geniuses in the bureaucracy told him to lie).
HAL: I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
In the meantime mercs fill the void.
Luger looks like his face is made out of plastique.
Is his plastic surgery covered under his totally free government run socialist healthcare plan?
Concentrate on the war now. Perpetual war for perpetual peace. Money is no object.
When it comes time for domestic policy, then we will face the hard questions about deficit spending. We'll put on our accountant hats.
Reagan would be proud. Starve the beast.
Don't worry -- I'm sure the teabaggers will be up in arms over all of this rampant deficit spending for the war. :)
Teabaggers. The mindless tools that make it so easy for 2% of the population to control the other 98%.
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Shorter Lugar:
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No matter what Lugar says, it always sounds the same...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnPaiSFVSE
...which political party won the presidential election in 2008? Does Mr. Lugar know this? More importantly, does the president know this?
Yep, just like the old Brooklyn Dodgers, the repugnant slogan for health care is "wait 'til next year!" And, just like the old Brooklyn Dodgers, they're a bunch of BUMS!!
40 years ago Country Joe McDonald gave us the reason behind this strategy:
"C'mon Wall Street, Don't be slow,
Man, this war's a-go-go!
There's plenty of money to be made,
supplyin' the Army with the tools of their trade.
Let's just hope when they drop the bomb
They drop on the Talibon*
And it's one-two-three, what're we fightin' for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, next stop- Afghanistan!
And it's five-six-seven open up the Pearly Gates,
Ain't no time to wonder why, WHOOPEE, we're all gonna DIE!"
*updated for the new age
Why start saving money and lives now when you can put it off...
edit: sorry meant to place this in the main thread
"Procrastination isn't the problem, it's the solution. So procrastinate now, don't put it off."
Ellen DeGeneres
WHY? senator lugar, why is the war important? We were attacked and most Americans expected us to go after obl and al-qaeda and we were OK with that. But we're not going after al-qaeda and obl any longer; we're refereeing a civil war in a country that's never been successfully invaded. NOW, if you mean that the war is important for the military-industrial complex, well then, maybe to you that 's important but for a Mom and Dad who's daughter or son are on their way to that meat-grinder, I think not. AND, if we go to war, we should be able to pay for it. I think w ought to get up on the national stage right now and declare his personal wealth towards that effort. cheney, rumsfeld, et.al., all of the people who told the world we were going to Afghanistan to kill or capture obl, all the liars, should sacrifice for the good of America in some small way and that would be something. Put up or shut up. What you suggest is BS of the highest order!
we're not at war, i don't know why everybody keeps saying that. we invaded two sovereign nations so we could allegedly kill a bunch of rat farmers who have no official affiliation with either country.
this whole thing is bullshit and about money.
support the troops? what about the private contractors making money hand over fist? am i supposed to support them too?
fuck this money making endeavor.
..rat farmers! That's a perception developed by the failure of w and the war crime family in their prosecution of the war in Afghanistan. We did invade Iraq under false pretenses and for that, w and the war crime family should pay dearly, no doubt. Afghanistan was all about routing out one man and his organization that attacked us and we almost accomplished the mission but were waved off by the previous administrations' secretary of defense.
I'm frustrated over the whole damn thing too. GREED is NOT Good for America! They botched it, they lied about it, say what you will, its time for it to end.
Senator, you are under arrest for crimes against the American people. Resign and turn yourself in now, or face the wrath of your constituents. Police are coming now to take you into custody for murder.
Dear C&L,
I'm confused. In one thread, I'm supposed to cheer for Grayson for his anti-war stance. The next thread, I'm supposed to be against Moore for being anti-war and taking the president to toe. Then the next thread, I'm supposed to bash Lugar for being pro war.
On, off, on again...
... I'm supposed to be against war, against those who are against war, and rail against those who support war?
WTF???
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view and agendas that strange?
;-)
If you need a site to tell you how you are supposed to feel and think, I think you took the wrong exit for foxnation or something. I kid! I kid!
No. Just the inconsistencies are a bit troubling.
One title to each piece? That is how it is always done.
If they were all consistently consistent - why would we need more than one title or thread?
Just sayin'
I don't pay too much attention to them. Every once in a while one of them writes coherently, but it is the exception.
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Reduce the obscenely bloated trillion dollar per year perpetual war budget by 90% to put it in line with our nearest adversary.
Learn to live at peace with the Earth and the people on it.
Before we are only latest of the Imperial Empires gone bust from their escapades.
for Sen Lugar to quit his post and join the fight, apparently.
I think we should ask him, to rank in a scale of 1 to 10, how important the war is.
You assume he CAN count to ten and understand the ratings system?
You might be a little optimistic?
:)
Join the fight? His head is shaped like a pencil eraser. He'll never pass the physical.
now the chatter is ownership of "fiscally responsibility". the (r)'s gave a huge/expensive MEDiCARE D entitlement program. i've heard this BIG government program will cost $7 Trillion. Then they gave us deficit financed BUSH tax cuts during war time that has huge interest payments in our future.
Do you not read my posts? I'm so hurt.
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So, the 45,000 Americans that statistically die yearly from lack of health care don't matter to this man?
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Collateral damage. But..we will pray for their families.
Yes, man can not live on bread alone. Fill their bellies with prayer!
unemployed slob without health care?
If it was your father, you'd care.
The 45,000 Americans that statistically die yearly from lack of health care don't matter to that man's party, or their bribers.
I mean, it's not like they're really PEOPLE, these poor slobs who don't have access to health care, right Dick? I'm talking about the 45 thousand who die each year because they lack health insurance -- they don't count. They don't matter, right?
And those families going bankrupt due to medical bills even when they do have insurance -- hey, it's obviously their fault for being poor in the first place. Or saddled with junk insurance. Or afflicted with 'pre-existing conditions.' Or run into lifetime payout caps. Or simply have their policies retroactively canceled for no valid reason. They should've been born a Senator or CEO, right Dick?
It's the price they all pay for the privilege of being an American in abject poverty...or anything less than "filthy rich."
Too bad for them they're not Canadian, French, German, or British citizens (or citizens of any other advanced nation on the planet) where basic health care is a human civil right and they have actual social safety nets. Didn't the Declaration of Independence say something about the "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of dying of untreated diabetic gangrene in a cardboard box under a bridge?"
It's far more important to spend money on wars to kill even more people, right Dick? Let's start with 45 thousand dead, lots more bankrupt and destitute, and add two wars' worth of civilian and military dead and wounded to the pile. Because nothing says "I Care" more than seeing a PTSD-afflicted double-amputee homeless vet on every busy street-corner in every American city and town.
Right, Dick? That enough blood on your hands? Or do you have some more 'stretch goals' in mind to drive that horrific misery and pain even higher?
Ya get to watch big explosions and see people get mowed down with miniguns and all kindsa neat stuff on the classified videos!
Vroooom! Ratatatatat! Kaboom!
The sounds of a senator's portfolio growing by leaps and bounds...
This shriveled, dried up, useless old man needs to go home for a permanent nap. Since he obviously cares more about his BRIBE stream than anything else, who needs him?? He brings nothing to the party except more talking point noise....
Be gone worthless fart....
Of course he worries more about the money.
These old fuckers stay in office into their '70s. That racist old troll Strom Thurmond and evil dwarf Jesse Helms fuckin' DIED in office.
Why? Cause why retire when you can make tons of money, get free healthcare and sit on your ass all day accomplishing NOTHING...AND...get paid for it.
McCain, Lieberman, Luger...go down the list. These tired old bastards should be playing pinocle in a retirement home and get the fuck out of progress' way.
A repug? Obstructing?
Say it ain't so!
Lugar and the other repugs don't care about the war. They only care about stopping health care reform. They'll use any excuse. It's obvious that they hope that they'll have a better chance to defeat it after the 2010 election, so they'll do anything to push the vote back.
If the repubs really cared about the troops and Afghanistan, they would not have (all but) abandoned it and gone into Iraq.
The modern Rethug party is the biggest bunch of lying liars that this country has ever seen.
The modern Rethug party is the biggest bunch of lying liars that this country has ever seen.
The country? Geez...you're really selling them short.
I was being kind, I guess.
"the biggest bunch of lying liars"
In the known universe and possibly on other levels or dimensions we don't know about yet.
LUGAR: Let me be very clear with the American people. I will poke both of my eyes out with a spoon on live TV before I allow Obama, come January, to say during his State of the Union address that he and the Dems achieved Health Care. That's just not going to happen.
I hope this clarifies for everyone what the official GOP position is and why.
We should put off all the Democrats priorities and focus solely on the Republican ones.
Attention Americans!
We now bring you this special announcement from the Republican Party:
WAR IS ESSENTIAL
WAR IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE INCLUDING YOUR OWN HEALTH AND WELFARE
IT IS YOUR CIVIC DUTY TO CRANK OUT AS MANY CHILDREN TO FIGHT OUR ENDLESS WARS AS YOU CAN
Now go back to your day and SUPPORT THE TROOPS!
manual?
And why should we care?
He's a member of a defeated party in a weak minority. His votes and anything he has to say on any issue are as predictable as they are irrelevant.
If health care gets delayed for war, it will be by the Dems.
I agree that this bill should not be passed, but only because it is a POS that rapes the American People. The reason you want to delay it is so unworthy that you would be ashamed to show your face in public, had you any integrity or conscience.
By your own words, you have been tested and shown to be lacking.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030512/editors
and there is so much more..like this article:
"How are american Soldiers the victims of Bush regime war profiteers and the hate agenda of other countries?"
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=942767
and get their input, they have been to the War, saw it up close and personal...
Find out from the source...
http://www.ivaw.org/faq
I think we should put off walking until I finish chewing gum.
Infinite money to bomb infinite brown people for an infinite amount of time pls!
this one should make all veterans BOILING MAD!!
http://jaywow67.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/04...
Mmmmm yeah, war=good, health care=no good.
But but but THAT'S DEFICIT SPENDING!!!!!!!!!!!
Whose payroll is this corporate whore on?
These sleazy whores are so blatant.
We need to better regulate the corporate money and revolving doors in politics.
Easy money always attracts people of the lowest moral character.
never talk about the Real issues, screw your PHOONY WAR for OIL distraction, this low life piece of shit has nothing but his dollars tied up into this.
Does anyone remember Viet Nam Oh!! if we leave it is the Domino effect yes all of Asia and the Pacific Rim will collapse and come under Communism. and the Shit for Brains Moron is singing the song again.
The other night while picking up my daughter at work her boss came out to talk to her, in the passing this Idiot says the escalation is good, being a ballsy guy I asked this Elitist, Trustee Child (62 yrs old), how much time he served in the Military he smiled then chuckled and proudly stated he NEVER served, I then explained that I am a 20+ year retired Combat Vet. that made that possible, he then questioned why I wouldn't support this (my words IDIOTIC action), I told him I have a Son going back for his second one year tour that son has two beautiful sons, I have a son in law going for the next two years and he is married to my daughter, the Moron looked at me shrugged his shoulders then walks away. Typical Anti American Right Wing Moron.
Oh in another discussion on the economy this moron thinks his employees have nothing to complain about they have a job, DUH!
The lack of reality by these Morons is appalling.
Makes you see red doesn't it oldretire? I have the same problem in my neck of the woods with some of the people I know.
I must be dense, but I can't understand why people have their panties in a bunch all of a sudden about Bushgansitan. This invasion was literally ignored for 8 years and now it's on the front burner because McChrystal wants more troops because we can "win". Has anyone seen a general who says he can't win?
Sometimes the things they do,
can be appalling. You must keep a cool head, and here at home, fight for the re-training of our young veterans. Sometimes when they face battle, they have been through the most traumatic scenes of violence, that the human mind can take. Yes, I believe in PTSD, or Post traumatic Stress Disorder. WE need to have retraining for our young men and women, so they can become a part of society again. Some of them may have lost limbs, so I am in a fight for rehabilitation, and job training for our soldiers, also. Visit IVAW.org..true american heroes in my eyes..All the best to you and your family...an also part of mine..
Ditto for you, follow the money. God bless you and yours.
VietVet and oldretire,
In case anyone hasn't said it lately, thank you for your service to our country.
I cannot stomach these idiot's anymore. The rightwing media in this country has brought out the worst in many moron's, who would otherwise just be self-centered assholes.
They are so completely sociopathic, and totally void of self awareness, that they don't have a clue how absurd they are.
20% unemployment and rising. Millions losing homes and healthcare, and this old plutocrat wants to concentrate on a stupid fucking war that has no value what-so-ever to most American's.
These people are stark raving mad lunatics.
Can I post that subject without even watching the video? These right wing nut cakes make my stomach churn.
Sure, why not? Only 45,000 mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins will die due to lack of insurance during that year. No biggie.
...you know, end the war.
Seeing as how we don't have, you know, a plan.
Lets put the God Damned war on hold until next year and let the sick see an f'ing Doctor. We need to strip Governmant officials of all of their wealth once elected. Make sure they can never earn more than minimum wage. Boy, would we see reform then......
start wars that cannot be won or paid for and destroy the new deal and any new social programs
Lugar - give up your coverage so a needy American can use it, how's that?
What a transparent windbag this old bag of wind is. His total commitment to his bribers, his contributors, ...; is astoundingly self serving. This general of class warfare lobs whatever might stick. He needs to be retired; replaced by someone with integrity and independence from lobbiests.
What in the world gives this man any right to assume that he has a say in President Obama's Aphgan decision let alone how much time to spend on the issue. While in one breath his party is out right un American by demeaning, and ridiculing President Obama about taking the time he took to make his well thought of decision about a war that impacts of sons and daughters in the military and in another breath brilliantly conclude that Health Care Reform must be delayed so that GOP DITHERING can commence about Afganistan policy. Hypocrits flourish in the GOP; but, this old fart blows.
Generally, Lugar's the slightly less corrupt Indiana senator. Do you all have any idea how embarrasing it is to be an Indiana liberal? (sorry, I still prefer the older, more denigrated term...I'm a liberal, damn it and proud of it!). Guess he's had a "come to Jesus" moment with the moronathon segment of the 'thugs.
you old piece of warmongering shit.
.......and forget what the citizens need. War is the deal that the elite status quo can agree on. More WAR. Much More War.
Put off the health care debate, and talk about the essentials, war and money.
Well, I guess if you have a Cadillac health care plan, paid for by the taxpayers who subsidize your useless ass in the senate, then you can put it off for the rest of us.
Good idea Dick. Let's also suspend your health care until the end of Iraq and Afghanistan. Since we really can't afford it, may as well stop you from having that triple by-pass you will be needing any day.
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