Rachel Maddow: A Tale of Two Bailouts
Rachel Maddow interviews Leo Gerard, the President of the United Steelworkers Union and asks if the auto industry is getting tougher treatment than the financial industry did when it was their turn for a bailout.
Gerard goes through the list of bailouts that have cost our economy trillions of dollars and notes that no one complained when CEOs made away with hundreds of billions of dollars over the years while they have taken our entire economy down the tank. He makes some great points on how "we've treated the people who take a shower after work much different than we've treated the people who shower before they go to work".
As one of those people who takes a shower after I get off work and not before, I concur.
Maddow and Gerard then move on to how politics is playing into this debate. Transcripts to follow:
Maddow: I spoke with the President of the auto workers' union recently on this show about the difference in the response to those other industries that have been getting assistance or asking for assistance from the federal government and the way that the auto industry has been treated and it seems to me that there is a real political inflection to the resistance to helping out the auto industry. In that political inflection you can hear when they start, when people start complaining, critics start complaining about auto workers being overpaid. And they start complaining about unions. Unions are being set up as if they are the reason that America can't be competitive and that business has failed. Do you feel that is a political attack on the unions as a union leader right now?
Gerard: I think it's a lot of Republican hypocrisy, Wall Street hypocrisy, it's the hypocrisy of the already rich and powerful that have kept silent like the Governors that you had on earlier. Kept silent about bailouts when it was going to their friends on Wall Street. Look at the economic deregulation we've seen in this country over the last twenty years. We deregulated the financial sector. We deregulated industries like the aerospace industry, like the trucking industry, like the energy industry, we deregulated employment levels so that now for the first time in the last fifty years this generation might pass on a lower standard of living for the next generation. And we deregulated global trade.
Tell me which one of those have been good for working families. Which one of those has increased America's standing in the world. Of course it's a phony attack. An auto worker that made fifty seven thousand dollars a year, working some overtime who produces a good car, who has a half decent pension who has now had their pension equity whacked by more corruption and callamity on Wall Street, who has some decent health care after working thirty or forty years in a work place. An employer that's trying to provide that health care because it's the only country on earth where society doesn't get health care provided through a universal system, and all of a sudden we're going to blame the workers? Uh, it's not the workers' fault. In fact the calamity issue report said today people aren't buying cars.
I was in a car lot on Saturday with my wife. I went to buy my daughter a coat. Stopped at a car lot just to see what was going on. There was nobody in the car lot buying any cars. You know why? Because they can't access credit. That's not the auto workers' fault. That's Wall Street's fault. That's those who deregulated the financial sector.
You know I have this little saying, I get a chance I'll tell it to you. When we deregulated the financial sector, that was the economic equivalent of leaving three year olds alone in a candy store. You know what they're going to do. They're going to gorge themselves and when you go get them, they're going to throw up on your shoes. I'm just tired of having my shoes thrown up on by Wall Street.
Hear, hear. I think we're all a bit tired of having our "shoes thrown up on". I believe Mr. Gerard meant to refer to the fact that our country ranks very poorly among other industrialized nations and is the only wealthy industrialized country not to offer a single-payer program as opposed to the "only country on earth", but given all the other great points he made I think we can give him a pass for that slip. It's not easy being on television when you don't do it all the time as I'm sure he does not, but easy to criticize someone who puts themselves out there if they slip up, so I won't do that. I think it's obvious what point he was trying to make. The lack of universal health care in this country plays a huge factor in our industries having trouble competing with other industrialized nations. And worse yet we're never going to compete with countries that use slave labor and need to have that practice stopped and some trade laws enforced which protect workers rights in every country we do business with. With China owning us right now I'm not sure how likely that's going to happen any time soon, if ever.
We may have ended slavery in this country but sadly we just outsourced it so we no longer have to look it in the face.



and I concur that there is a distinct, but still subliminal, class bias in the treatment accorded various industries begging federal largess, based mostly on the color of one's working collar.
With the mainstream media actively perpetuating major untruths -- that UAW workers are paid $80 an hour, or that this trouble stems from the vehicles being produced?
The real mistake auto companies made was not knowing what the results of oil companies setting energy policy and deregulation would be.
It is a case of history repeating itself.
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I'm a two-shower-a-day person. :)
this line... "That's not the auto workers' fault. That's Wall Street's fault. That's those who deregulated the financial sector."
...is of utmost importance.
who did work to deregulate the financial sector? i'll give you 2 guesses.
until we as a country examine and understand the underlying economic ideology that has kneecpapped us, we have little hope of turning this ship around.
Well, of course. There aren't very many (any) representatives of the working class in Congress, so its favors go to the guys who are next to them at the country club and the school reunion: Wall Street, CEOs, lobbyists. These people can't very well admit that they, with their greed and dishonesty, are responsible for demolishing the national and international economy, so it's gotta be the union worker's fault, or those evil black people who took those ACORN mortgages, or gay marriage, or whatever. These corporations and their government backers are parasites on the country, and mere elections aren't going to change that.
BTW, I think it should be, "Hear, hear."
Thank you, fixed. I'll get through a post without a typo one of these days..maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
but lately I only seem to be taking a bath. CEO compensation needs to stay front and center during the next year or two.
whatever happened to H.R. 1257: Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act?
other front and center topics:
-"free" trade deals
-privatization of resources and SOEs
-labor flexibilization/union busting
-deregulation
these have all been forced on the world by the IMF, WB, and the US, and they have, for the most part, been detrimental.
if there was ever a time to challenge the economic conventional wisdom it is now. the washington consensus has led us down the path to ruin.
unemployment and the economy in general will get worse before it gets better. The silver lining is that all of the topics you listed will be back on the table and all of us will reexamine our values.
Money can't buy happiness but it used to buy boatloads of crap from China!
letting Congress and the Senators get away with laying total blame for the 700 billion bailout without oversight on Paulsen....
They, Congress, gave the money to him without questions and restriction. They fell for his chicken little act and should be held responsible!
Now, Pelosi et al, is even saying they may leave it to the New Admin...Chicken ships all...
If paulsen gives the rest of the money to wall street the blame should land in Congress's lap!!!!
To take it out on the Big Three is class warfare...Shameless!
Looks like the country is finally sacrificing for that there war and everything like that, you betcha’.
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http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/ind...
I don't shower so much anymore because I don't work so much anymore. I live in Michigan.
We are all heading back to the farm here.
Here is my last comment of the usual suspects who brought us the financial crisis and
bailoutheist.statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
boblicious rubin? or is he implied in the clintonomics, NAFTA, CFMA, and the GLBA?
Send us down some pennies from heaven, please.
I'm sorry I didn't mention you.
You deserve a category of your own.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I'm afraid only those farming will be eating, in the coming years
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The correct distinction between white and blue collar workers (at least as far as males go) is that blue collar workers have to wash their hands before and after they take a piss break.
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When it's provided nationally in other countries. Guess that makes our cars "cost a bit more"??? Bull shit.
I'm so tired of these scum bag repug/fascist/capitalist pigs blaming everyone but themselves. They are great at blaming unions and teachers and the less prosperous in this country for every f*cking thing they suck the blood out of.
It isn't the unions that are screwing us folks....it's these fat cat pricks like "clean hands romney" and his group of followers.
This pisses me off so bad, I just want to scream. And THEY are getting their message out...a message of lies and bull shit. We need to start yelling!!
The left in this country needs to stop being afraid of showing their teeth.
For every fat cat there are thousands of middle and low class people, we need to realize that there are more of US than THEM. And that THEY need US more than WE need THEM.
The other day, one of the Rothschild scions was on BBC saying basically how we (as in us, not him) need to work harder, and workers should stop assuming their entitlements (as in retirement) if they want to weather this crisis. When one of these privileged assholes has the gall to basically say work harder for less, you know their depravity has no bounds.
of course the ruling class loves to roll the fictitious handgrenade of the "american dream" and watch a large swath of the middleclass side with their financial overlords.
The phrase is "Hear,hear" as in "hear what this person has to say"
Not "where did that noise come from?" here here!
Gerard is a moron who "thinks" short term thinking will protect workers' paycheques. If he was really leading the union, he would be pushing the car companies to produce efficient cars that sell at home and abroad.
He blathered on about "we produce the most fuel efficient cars, more than the imports". That wouldn't be true if there weren't protectionism. I read today (not to plug it, but...) about the Peugeot 308 which gets 31.95km/l, or 75.15 MPG, and sells for about US$17000 to $25000, depending on which country.
Why isn't that car on US roads? Because the US government keeps them out to protect Detritus - sorry, Detroit. Why isn't Detroit building such cars? Because they are protected from competition.
The US goes on and on about competition and "letting the market decide". If there were no ban on imports, US companies would be forced to change and improve. All that the Pig Three and the Laboring Unions (not a typo) want is to keep things as they are, instead of facing up to reality.
If they don't accept the losses now, the entire US auto industry will eventually collapse and things will be worse than if they bit the bullet today. Instead, it's more of that idiotic short term "thinking" that the US is infamous for.
First of all let me say I wasn't in favor of the financial industry bailouts. Secondly, what is with this tendency to blame the CEO's alone for the failings of these companies, shouldn't the workers and unions bear some of the responsibility? Having personally lived and worked in the US and abroad, I can say that the American work ethic, or rather lack there of , is a contributing factor in America's decline in the manufacturing marketplace. Finally, lets be honest here, we all know that bailing out the auto industry is just delaying the inevitable, and therefore a waste of money. That money would be much better spent on public transportation, a much better ROI IMO.
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