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The Rachel Maddow Show: Obama--War President

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Rachel Maddow weighs in on President Obama's decision to send more troops to Afghanistan and his continuation of the Bush doctrine of preventive war in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Rachel brought up our CIA's covert action in Pakistan, but she forgot to mention Blackwater. She should have Jeremy Scahill on sometime soon if she wants to get into what we're doing in Pakistan.

OBAMA: And as commander-in-chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan.

We‘re in Afghanistan to prevent a cancer from once again spreading through that country. But this same cancer has also taken root in the border region of Pakistan. To abandon this area now—and to rely only on efforts against al Qaeda from a distance—would significantly hamper our ability to keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an unacceptable risk of additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, this year‘s Nobel Peace laureate escalated the war in Afghanistan—for the second time in just the first year of his presidency.

In March, you will recall this president announced that his new administration had concluded a careful policy review of the options available in Afghanistan then and had decided to send 21,000 more troops.

To put that first escalation in context, this is what American troop levels were like eight years ago—the first December after we invaded. See that little tiny blip down there in the left? This is how they changed over time through the Bush administration and through, frankly, the election of Mr. Obama.

This is what‘s happened during President Obama‘s first year in office. And this is what he‘s just announced he‘s going to do by next summer. And then nine days after that, he flies to Oslo to get his Nobel Peace prize.

The president‘s speech tonight at West Point in a way is an awkward bookmark to the previous president‘s famous West Point speech when the Afghanistan war was only eight months old, not eight years old.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, THEN-U.S. PRESIDENT: Our war on terror is only begun, but in Afghanistan, it was begun well.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: It turns out that wasn‘t very true. And eight years later, the next president is stuck explaining his choice among all the, frankly, pretty bad options available to fix Bush‘s supposedly “begun well” war.

The President Bush bragging at West Point about how awesome he thought things had gone in Afghanistan at that point is not what that speech is remembered for. President Bush bragged in a lot of places about how awesome he thought things had gone in Afghanistan, even as both Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, not only survived, but survived unscathed and stayed in business as militant leaders, just now relocated eastward slightly. If Omar went from Kandahar to Quetta in Pakistan, that means he moved slightly less than the distance between Wichita and Topeka.

Now, President Bush‘s West Point speech is remembered not because he was uniquely wrong in his comments there about Afghanistan itself, he was wrong a lot about his comments about Afghanistan itself. That speech is remembered because it was at West Point where he unveils what may have been the single most radical thing about his presidency.

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CHARLES GIBSON, ABC NEWS: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

SARAH PALIN, FMR. ALASKA GOVERNOR: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush—well, what do you—what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view?

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated in September 2002, before the Iraq war.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: President Obama tonight spoke at the site where President Bush unveiled the Bush doctrine—the proclamation that the United States would no longer reserve the right just to wage war against countries or forces that threatened us, but that we would wage war to stop the emergence of threats in the future.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long. The war on terror will not be won on the defensive. We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans, and confront the worst threats before they emerge.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Before they emerge, before they emerge. We must confront threats that might happen someday.

And thus was born not only the justification for, in the name of 9/11, attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, but also the maximalist Bush doctrine concept of America at war globally, indefinitely, against anyone at our own discretion.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: Our security will require transforming the military you will lead, a military that must be ready to strike at a moment‘s notice in any dark corner of the world. We must uncover terrorist cells in 60 or more countries. All nations that decide for aggression and terror will pay a price.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: The Bush doctrine was probably the single most radical thing about the Bush presidency, because it dropped the requirement that the United States actually be threatened before we‘d start a war with someone, instead saying that if we just thought we might be threatened sometime in the future, that would be justification enough for us now to start a war. It is a really radical concept, if you think about it, not only about war, but about us, about America.

And it may have survived the Bush presidency. President Obama tonight is explaining his second escalation of the war in Afghanistan, announcing that the 32,000 Americans who were in Afghanistan when he took office will become 100,000 by next year. A war reborn in what the president is describing as his own image, his own strategic terms, but which is justified fundamentally by what sounds like the Bush doctrine.

The administration admitting that we are not actually threatened now as a nation by Afghanistan.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEN. JAMES JONES, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: Obviously, the good news that Americans should feel at least good about in Afghanistan is that the al Qaeda presence is very diminished. The maximum estimate is less than 100 operating in the country, no bases, no ability to launch attacks on either us or our allies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: No ability to attack us or our allies.

Afghanistan poses no threat to us, and yet, our war there is being

doubled and tripled in size. Why? It‘s because we think there might be a

threat from Afghanistan in the future, if a safe haven for terrorism there

re-emerges in the future. In other words.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long. We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt plans, and confront the worst threats before they emerge.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Is the massive escalation of the war in Afghanistan announced tonight President Obama‘s own implementation of the preventive war Bush doctrine that Sarah Palin couldn‘t understand and that no one has really been able to justify?

This war is not about threats to the United States from Afghanistan. To the extent that it is justified by preventing threats to us from emerging from Pakistan sometime in the future, that‘s preventive war. That‘s the Bush doctrine—in all its Orwellian extremism.

To the extent, though, that this war is not about some potential future threat but a real current one, like the president described tonight, a current one that—he didn‘t say it bluntly, but he meant it—one that exists in Pakistan. To the extent that our 100,000 troops in Afghanistan are there simply to backstop and contain the real war against the real threat next door in Pakistan, then tell me this—how are we fighting our war in Pakistan?

We‘re fighting it using the CIA, which effectively functions as a fifth secret branch of the U.S. military now. They even have their own Air Force. They‘re a fifth secret branch of the military now which our civilian leaders as a matter of policy do not answer for. They don‘t even bother explaining what they‘re doing.

Do you remember when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was questioned about our secret CIA drone war when she was recently in Pakistan?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At the same time, the drone attacks are still going on in Waziristan. What does madam or America in general plans to do with that, because it‘s creating a lot of frustration among our people.

(APPLAUSE)

HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, I will not talk about that specifically, but generally, let me say that there‘s a war going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Pakistani parliament, of course, has also requested that these drone attacks be stopped yet they continue and the Pakistani people have begun to resent them and associate them with U.S. policy towards Pakistan as a whole.

CLINTON: You know, I think what‘s important here is that there—there is a war going on, as several of you have said. And I won‘t comment on that specific matter.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: I won‘t comment on that specific matter. I won‘t talk about that specific thing, but there is a war. That war, that secret one—because CIA actions, even when there‘s a war, are covert and deniable.

If the real war is Pakistan and we‘re fighting this war not to prevent some threat to us in the future, not as an extension of the Bush doctrine, but rather than to respond to a real threat now, why are we fighting it with our secret military that we don‘t admit to? Why are we fighting it with our CIA?

Maybe there will someday be an Obama doctrine to replace the Bush doctrine. If that‘s going to happen, then, first, the Bush doctrine needs to be ended. No more wars to prevent future threats that may or may not emerge.

But, secondly, at some point, this president will need to be able to explain and take the credit or the blame for his real wars that right now are still getting only a “no comment.”

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StillSickOfIt's picture

Pull out all troops. Leave a couple of ships off the coast of Kirachi and just bomb the monkey bar camps and hidey-hole gangs that pop up in Afghanistan.

That would save you many hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and keep all those fucking cry babies in the homeland feeling nice and safe.

What a bunch of pussies. You need to bomb a stone age country back into the dinosaur age to make yourselves feel safe. Bunch of sick bastards.

Debber's picture

sick and stupid bastards!

DaveZ's picture

But funny you point out the obvious answer.

That would save you many hundreds of billions of dollars a year

If it's not a military threat there's another reason. Here's a president dealing with the worst economic disaster since the great depression. Bets are he's got advisors saying the only way to recover the economy is through expanding war expenditures. His presidency hinges on not just health care but economic recovery. But nobody (I should say from his base) would support increasing war spending as economic stimulus. They will lie by never telling us the real reasons for escalation.

Tyler Durden's picture

he managed to talk down the economy down to a point that by the time he was elected, we had quite a nice recession in our hands.

I trully think Bush saw 9/11 as a godsent since it allowed him to stimulate the economy with all those military expenditures, plust it also provided a excuse to show the man who tried "to kill his dadda" who's boss.

Patriot Actor's picture

another Pearl Harbor.

MountainMan23's picture

Erik Prince's feelings are hurt ..

AP: Blackwater Founder, Prince, Feels Thrown Under Bus


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

savannah43's picture

I never suspected he is a whiny bitch.

Obama was bought by the MIC long ago. I held some hope that he might have some original thinking on foreign policy but that is gone now.


Is it the 21st century yet?

Stupid Git's picture

Every time I see an old Bush speech I quiver. I am incredibly unhappy with Obama, but at least listening to him talk doesn't kill brain cells.

Tyler Durden's picture

... last night I heard the same sh*t, but at least it was properly enunciated and grammatically sensible sh*t.

One has to look for the silver lining I guess....

Wesley E. Ledjennes's picture

I predict that Rachel Maddow will be the "Edward R. Morrow" of this generation... and when my Grandson grows up, TV reporters in small market TV stations all over the country will be striving for a Rachel Maddow Award, granted by some future broadcaster's association for EXCELLENCE in MEDIA JOURNALISM... or something like that.

Stupid Git's picture

Or if things go horribly awry, there will be a bunch of braindead zombies rummaging around a ravaged planet listening to the terrified grunts from the recent recipient of the Glenn Beck Medal Of Journalism.

DaveZ's picture

at the awards show. Real tears are encouraged but not required as there's always a jar of Vapo-Rub nearby.

savannah43's picture

I expect that's what Beck smells like. Strong white raw onions.

Stupid Git's picture
!!!

I seriously laughed my ass off. I'd imagine you're spot on with that. He would smell like raw onions... Raw onions, turned sausage and inadequacy.

Or, on the other hand she might end up being executed as an enemy of the state when the gloves are taken off of the dictatorships we all live under.

Barbara in BC's picture

over there in Afghanistan. Our allies in European NATO countries have real worries about radical Islamicists in their midst, and that's the reason we are participating. Obama gets it.

Debber's picture

Canada needs to get out of Afghanistan! That "war" was a war of America's making... there's no reason for a war with Iraq or with Afghanistan. When the hell are we, as a species, going to learn that war only makes some people richer and alot of other people poorer, sadder, and dead in some cases.

Barbara in BC's picture

it opened up Pandora's Box in Afghanistan. Result = chaos. Surrounding NATO countries banded together to deal with it, and try to mop up the damage American troops had done when they bombed Kabul. You can't just remove a government and then take off, eh? So that's why Canada is there, along with Europeans who don't appreciate having radical Islamicists in charge of one of their neighbours.

Stupid Git's picture

After one of your Canadian terrorists tried to sneak across the border on New Years in 2000.

(Just kidding, I love BC - went to college in Vancouver and go back as often as I can to visit).

Barbara in BC's picture

Our border guards just gave Amy Goodman a hard time when she was trying to cross the border. Turns out it was something about our stupid 2010 Winter Olympics... they are terrified that anarchists will try to disrupt the Games.

Patriot Actor's picture

best playgrounds in this part of the world...
There are tons of mountain paths and passes in and out.

The only solution for Afghanistan at this point....is US citizenship for all of them :)

You break it...you buy it.

Thus washing our hands of them.

damn stains. won't come off.

I keep scrubbing...

Barbara in BC's picture

and his sidekick Peter McKay. We originally joined the war under Paul Martin, a Liberal. Back then the goal was to rebuild the damage done in the invasion, but when Harper got elected things changed. Harper is a Conservative... need I say more?

Stupid Git's picture

Hillary Clinton: "there is a war going on. I won‘t comment on that specific matter."

She could have been president and is another reminder of why we must vote third party next time.

Debber's picture

I'm becoming dangerously close to not believing in anything any more... WTF?!

savannah43's picture

You've heard of the "know-nothings?" We're the "believe-nothings." Glad to have you here. It's sad at first, but it's a big relief.

Stupid Git's picture

It's like when you first found out Santa wasn't real. At first it was sad. But then you realized the presents were still real and got over it. :)

Captainapathy's picture

Wait... Santa's not... real?

What have I been caring about my fellow man for all these years for? Huh? Damn! Well, I'm just going to have to double my letters to the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy now...

Liberalicious's picture

Big mouth!

;)

merkin's picture

Mmm Mmmm Mmmm

neoconbuster's picture

100 Alquaida.

Make us Bleed.

Why?

Perhaps because of Geopolitical Greed.

The decition to go there was done long before 9-11 and Alquaida:

Pepe Escobar argues the most significant point about Obama's West Point address is what he omitted. He simply ignored the current, high-stakes New Great Game in Eurasia, on which the Pentagon is focused like a laser.

Full stectrum Dominance for Dummies:

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com...

But Wait, there is more: 9-11 For Dummies BBC version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkYlbpS-vVI

Wooops!

pgutches's picture

1. Protect the poppy trade
2. Protect the oil pipeline
3. Deter (expected) future advances from the Chinese to claim remaining dwindling sources of mid east petroleum

Al Qaeda? A joke.

I believe Al Qaeda is primarily a fictitious enemy... the kind that is "everywhere and nowhere" the kind that "chatter". The kind that can strike without a moment's notice.

In other words, this era's replacement for Communist Russia as a justification for a permanent war footing.

hempkin's picture

Jesse Ventura brought this up on the Stern show this morning.

Evet's picture

in our arsenal on the place and get it over with. Don't forget to withdraw our troops first.

mikeisnotcreative's picture

What a thing to write.
P.s. all you idiots who blame this on Bush need to realize who is now a war criminal. Obama has failed humanity, as Bush did. Take off that Obama bumper sticker and direct your rage toward this murderer who strengthens US occupation.

Barbara in BC's picture

by bombing a country's capital city to shreds and removing the government, you can't just walk away. There is work to be done in rebuilding and making sure that the Taliban don't take power again. Now that Afghanistan is a ruined nation Obama is joining Nato in a stabilizing mission. Otherwise neighbouring countries are in danger from radical Islamlic attacks.

Steve E's picture

you smoking?

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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Opium is a cash crop...
... We could fund grains, but you can't dope up the world on healthy farm crops.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Patriot Actor's picture

the rain of 911's to come.

Fish's picture

Whats the difference whether I voted democrat or republican?


Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.

Tyler Durden's picture

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noitaluspacne's picture

courtesy of www.michaelmoore.com, under War President.

Obama: "We Did Not Ask for This Fight"
Bush: "We Did Not Seek This Conflict"

Obama: "New Attacks are Being Plotted as I Speak"
Bush: "At This Moment ... Terrorists are Planning New Attacks"

Obama: "Our Cause is Just, Our Resolve Unwavering"
Bush: "Our Cause is Just, Our Coalition [is] Determined"

Obama: "This Is No Idle Danger, No Hypothetical Threat"
Bush: "The Enemies of Freedom Are Not Idle"

Obama: "We Have No Interest in Occupying Your Country"
Bush: "I Wouldn't Be Happy if I Were Occupied Either"

and point out we have been punk'd...

noitaluspacne's picture

There is no difference anymore. On the surface, yes, but at the core they are really the same thing. The two parties are merely facades of the same evil.

The 2 sides exist to confuse you, to get you to attack each other rather than the true evil that is slowly enslaving you. While you bicker back and forth on ultimately unimportant issues, the evil is able to move foreward with its agenda. The evil wins no matter which side is currently in power because both sides represent the SAME THING.

Let me ask you... Who got the majority of the money in all the bailouts that happened? Was it the average american? Noooooo. Who has profited from all this war that has been going on? Is it the average american? Nooooo. Have the evil programs and policies that were established under the Bush administration been cancelled? Noooooo.

Obamas "change" policy was nothing more than the words that you wanted/needed to hear.

hempkin's picture

Our government cannot even be pragmatic anymore.

(Think Harry Kalas here)

Health care: "struck him out!"

War in Middle East: "struck him out!"

Dems chances in 2010: "they're outta here!"

Way to go, 'Mr. Change we can believe in'. This really sucks.

Tyler Durden's picture

that rendered Clinton ineffective after he cost the Dems both houses. All we need is for Dick Morris to be rehired before 2012 and it will be clear that Rahm Emmanuel is having the encore performance he always dreamt of.

Either that, or it was just a bad case of the Obama's campaign misspelling status/quo as hope/change. Which could very well be a possibility, you know kids these days don't take Latin in college or anything...

fiver's picture

Two of a kind.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

researcher's picture

this was a george bush speech

could it be he has no choice

could it be the military and cia and corp fascism nows controls the white house and has for years

this may not be the republic we think it is

jfk took on the military

bobby was about to

there may be more to this story than meets the eye

9/11 may be one of the biggest farces this country has every known

another pearl harbor after all roosevelt knew they were coming

you can bet we knew exactly when it was coming

before 9/11 in az an fbi agent informed the fbi of muslims learning to fly and did not want to learn to take off or land

you dont think their phones were tapped after that

cheney knew we needed another pearl harbor to go to war it was in their agenda for all to see and read on the internet

the war machine runs america and has for a very long time

we have become an immoral society with our wars for profits

hitler knew how to blame the jews to have his war

our war machine knows how to blame the muslims

used to be the fear of communists to have wars

now the taliban always someone

next it will be iran they are building up to that now for the war in the next decade

we live in a corrupt war mongeing society and most americans go around talking how great america is

bet the germans did the same thing in hitler's days

oh dont forget support the troops translated support america's war for profits

neoconbuster's picture

Support The Troops for Dummies

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture

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Military Surge = Nobel Peace Prize?

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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

We need another war and we need it now. We have to drain the nation of any resources it might still have to build inner strength and we have to remind the people that the military industrial complex is #1 at the public trough. And it's a good diversion to get fewer people bitching about our domestic problems.

merkin's picture

If it's okay for nation states it's okay for me...

From now on I'll solve all my conflicts with others through violence...

I've exhausted my ability to hate...

yellowdog's picture

with credentials that extend back into the fifties. I am more practical than ideological which means that while I'd like to see a Danish style economy with all the "socialist" programs that raise the quality of life there, I am practical enough to know that getting there is a process, not a leap.

Now that I've established a position far to the left of center - Rachel and acolytes, how are your demands of Obama any different from the much derided ten question litmus test conservatives propose for Republican candidates?

I fail to see how a left wing litmus test is better than a right wing litmus test.

In 2000, there were people who found that Gore failed their litmus test and voted for an egotiostical old fool who siphoned off enough votes to make it close so JebBoy and Cruella could have a coup d'etat and Scalia could ratify it.

The result - a war in Iraq with hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed, millions displaced. policies in the US that led to an economic meltdown. The stifling of stem cell research condemning me and hundreds of thousands of others to blindness, nervous system disorders, cancers and assorted other illnesses.

To those who applied the litmus test - the purity demands - and gave the election to a moron...

I realize that you're in denial and that condition - perhaps caused by your own blindness- will excuse you in your own minds.

Nope- I can't say it here because it's really not a polite phrase, but it begins with an f and ends with a you.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I think we need to get beyond economic labels.

When a jeweler or a grocer weighs something on a scale, no one thinks anything when he taps the balance piece a little to the right and a little to the left, until the dang thing is in equilibrium.

That's the way the economy should be handled.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

St. Paul Scout's picture

OBAMA: And as commander-in-chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan.

Me: And as a private citizen, I have determined that it is in my vital interest to never vote for your lame ass again.

P.S. I love the 'VITAL' bit. If it is so f'ing 'vital' why not another 1,000,000 troops?

Patriot Actor's picture

and considering the Bush Doctrine....
if anyone else in the world felt as exceptionally exceptional as the USA does...and given the meddling....

then attacks on the US for the last 60 years have been relatively light.

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