The Rachel Maddow Show: Bart Stupak's C-Street Gang
Rachel Maddow runs down the list for us of C-Street family members who also voted for Bart Stupak’s anti-abortion amendment yesterday. Nothing like having what amounts to a secretive religious cult making health care policy for women in the United States. As Rachel noted that list includes:
Rep. Bart Stupak D-MI
Rep. Joe Pitts R-PA
Rep. Ike Skelton D-MO
Rep. Mike McIntyre D-NC
Rep. John Tanner D-TN
Rep. Lincoln Davis D-TN
Rep. Dan Boren D-OK
Rep. Heath Shuler D-NC
Jeff Sharlet joined Rachel to discuss The C-Street Family's ever growing influence within the Democratic Party.
Maddow: What are Congressman Stupak and Congressman Pitts’ connections to C-Street and The Family? Is one of them more deeply involved than the other?
Sharlet: Yeah, well Congressman Pitts has been involved with The Family since 1976 and in the 1980’s he was instrumental in bringing anti-abortion politics into this kind of elite fundamentalism that until that point had been focused on economics and foreign affairs. Bart Stupak meanwhile has been living at C-Street since at least 2002 when he told the Los Angeles Times “we kind of don’t talk about what happens here”.
Maddow: Are there signs that The Family had anything to do with the Stupak-Pitts amendment? I mean this is quite a legislative coup that they’ve pulled off.
Sharlet: Well, you have to consider that Congressman Pitts is what The Family calls a core member. This is a little like being on the board of directors. You can go on line and find video of him talking about the objectives of the group is to create a god led government. He has worked over the years to prevent not only abortion but AIDS education overseas and so this has been a life-long project for him going back years and years and years. Stupak is a little bit newer to this issue and I think what you really have to question here is Pitts who’s been active in this for a long time and was bringing up these amendments I think in Stupak and his brother in The Family as it was called, found a Democrat to carry the issue for him.
Maddow: So you think this legislative work reflects more the skills, connections, background of Congressman Pitts than it does Bart Stupak?
Sharlet: Yeah well with respect to Congressman Stupak nobody ever called him the brightest bulb on the porch. Everybody likes him, he’s a good guy; Pitts is a guy who’s been doing this for a long time. When he was a state legislator he was head of a national state legislative group that was really doing anti-abortion work on the state level before anyone was really paying attention to it. He is a long term strategist and I think we really have to look at that broader connection and how he played this issue.
Maddow: Let me ask you about some of the other conventional wisdom here because the sort of conventional explanation for this is that this anti-abortion amendment to health reform resulted mostly from the Catholic Bishops pressuring Catholic politicians to support it but I know that you think it’s bigger than that. Can you explain why?
Sharlet: Well I think it’s unfair to Catholics, I think it’s unfair to Evangelicals. First of all most of the press is focused on Catholics despite the fact that a number of the Congressmen involved in this are not Catholic including Congressman Pitts and including Congressman Shuler who you mentioned and frankly the majority of American Catholics are pro-choice and that’s not true of the majority of American Evangelicals. I think it’s a very comfortable story to tell ourselves that this is just traditional Catholic conservatism rather than facing the fact there is a growing and new Evangelical, conservative Evangelical influence within the Democratic Party.
Maddow: We have talked a little about this in the past, but obviously because we’ve been talking about a form of conservatism and how this religious movement dovetails in many ways with a lot of conservative agenda items do you feel like we’ve overlooked or generally speaking it’s been overlooked how conservative Democrats are part of this too?
Sharlet: Yeah, absolutely. Conservative Democrats have made this happen. I mean look here we are with a fully Democratic government and Joe Pitts and his colleagues like Chris Smith and so on have just achieved a goal they could not achieve during eight years of Bush and they’ve done it with Democratic help and they’ve done it with—I think what’s crucial is you have to look at the traditional Catholic pro-life votes, respect those—but look at the new influence of Evangelicals Democrats like Heath Shuler, traditionally Evangelical Democrats, like Joe Pitts, and you see a growing movement within the Democratic Party that we just haven’t faced up to yet.
This is yet one more reason to not vote for Democrats. We all need to seriously support third party candidates. We may be laughed at and ridiculed like conservatives were after the loss of NY-23 but their plan still worked. Everyone in the Republican party is now on board with the teabaggers. We need to remind Democrats that they don't own the liberal vote. What's the worst that can happen? We stay engaged in numerous wars, abolish women's rights, ignore gay rights, expand executive powers of rendition and detainment, pass healthcare bills that favor insurance and pharmaceuticals, pass the buck on the environment and redistribute our nations wealth into the hands of cronie corporations? As they said in this interview, eight years of Bush and they couldn't pass anti-abortion legislation. Yet in less than a year of Obama and three years of Dem control of the congress and the evangelicals make major strides in creating their Theocracy government. Please, anyone, tell me why I am wrong on this. I hope I am but for the life of me I don't see how a Democratic majority is any better than a Republican one.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
I don't think you are 'concern trolling' but what you wrote could easily have fallen from those that do. Rather than tell folks not to vote blindly for group 'A', you might instead remind folks to look into the individual values of those that belong to Group 'A' & vote for those that share your values.
It'd be nice to have a multiple party system but I think we should let the Republicans have their circular firing squad first wrt The Teabagger Party.
... party over country. OK, got it.
So who is concern trolling again?
How am I wrong? You stated I am, but didn't give a reason why other than you want to see Republicans fail.
I'm not a fan of the persecution complex that defines the rabid-right-wing but I also don't think it'd be bad for more liberals to realize that we've become the concubine of the Democratic party. We can't continue being enablers of our own demise just because it's a slightly slower demise than under Bush.
Even the patron saint of Democratic politics Bill Clinton was responsible for NAFTA, the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis through obscene sanctions and bombings, let Greenspan and the free marketeers have a field day deregulating everything in the world and creating the tech and housing bubbles and so much more.
What will it take?
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Other than Bernie Sanders- who caucuses with the Democrats- name all the liberals, progressives or lefties in the the US Congress, or in any governor's mansion WHO AREN'T DEMOCRATS. Hell, give me a list of those in their state houses...Or in city halls across the country....Please!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
... 82 declared members in Congress.
Enough to gum up the works if voted as a block.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The Democratic Party is the original "big tent party".
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
... are the same ilk we fought and defeated (twice) when they were Republicans.
These clowns are simply the next step.
They're a lot like cockroaches. Just because they want to live in your house doesn't mean they're good pets to have around.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
He lives in Menominee now, iirc, but he's a graduate of Gladstone High- the school my paternal grandparents graduated. I won't tell you I know the Upper Peninsula like the back of my hand, but it isn't anything like Detroit. It's preetty conservative, but poor. Where Stupak's beliefs jibe with those of progressives are in the common belief that the government should help people with jobs.That's why he's in the party.
Gotta go to work. Please read up on Michigan's UP to get a feel for Stupak's perspective.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
IIRC, he's on the side of Native American's when it comes to tribal rights, too. At least his votes don't mesh with the GOP....IIRC.
I'm out. I'll check back.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
So, you're advocating a one-party system? Everyone is a Democrat just because they take the title regardless of values and ideas?
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
But up until now, the Democratic Party has owned the liberal and progressive vote, and no one outside the Party has done much to change that.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
And I'm more than happy to support Democrats when they are good ones. But your comment is exactly why I earlier stated that "we've become the concubine of the Democratic party."
We need to create some leverage. You can't do that if you only have one option. Think of it in the same way the public option was pitched for healthcare. If you like what you have you can keep it, if not, vote independent.
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I had some time to think about it...If that one-party system of which you speak is the Democratic Party, it wouldn't be too much different than the two-party system that existed before the GOP began imploding (which, imo, began in 1994).
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I think you made the point on a national level by mentioning Sanders. How many non-Republican teabagger-friendly reps are there? Starting small is a good place to start. If you expect to hold an independent majority the first time you try then you're dreaming.
On a local level you may want to check out the Green Party. I've voted for Green Party candidates numerous times on local and national campaigns - including the 2008 Presidential election (because I thought Obama was too right-of-center and Kucinich dropped out).
Look, you can pretend the Democratic Party isn't becoming the refugee camp of moderate Republicans and keep voting strictly Democratic, or you can support candidates that are working for liberal issues regardless of party affiliation.
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Vote Green, or some other splinter group, if you like helping Republicant's. Hell, why not just vote Republican? Clueless. Really, really clueless. Can't you see that light gray is better than pitch black?
Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!
The General Assembly is notable for being the only state legislature in the United States with a significant third-party presence. Six members of the House belong to the Vermont Progressive Party, a center-left party similar to the Social Democratic Party of Germany or the Social Democratic Party of Finland (SDP). Several other parties that have won legislative seats include the Green Party, and the Liberty Union Party, based largely on the philosophy of Eugene V. Debs. Some members of the smaller parties caucus with members of the Vermont Democratic Party.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vermont...
Bob Kiss, Mayor of Burlington, member Vermont Progressive Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kiss
do not care what my elected representatives beliefs are. He's not there to vote his beliefs, he was elected to vote mine.
I don't care if he thinks the earth is flat, I still want him to recognize and deal with people on the other side of the planet. I don't care if he believes in god or not, if at any time his conscience won't allow him to do his constituents bidding he needs to resign immediately.
Bought and paid for is bought and paid for. Political affiliation notwithstanding.
just who did the buying and paying before you vote.
Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!
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The GOP is wholly owned & the Dems partially. I believe Barack & Rahm are two-peas in a corporate pod. This is why they cut secret deals with Big Pharma, ignored Krugman to place the foxes to "guard" Wall St., refused to look back at war crime prosecutions, gave lip service to the public option & will escalate the Vietnam II War, pleasing the neocons & the military-industrial complex. The flag draped coffins will continue arriving at Dover, as this war worshipping nation sinks in to the abyss of other failed empires. Thank unregulated capitalism, the GOP & enabling Democrats.
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> As they said in this interview, eight years of Bush and they
> couldn't pass anti-abortion legislation. Yet in less than a year > of Obama and three years of Dem control of the congress and the
> evangelicals make major strides in creating their Theocracy
> government.
Thank heavens I'm not alone in noticing that. What I find ironic is that the Evangelicals are so busy vilifying Obama that they don't realize what a good friend he is to them. As the commentor said, they got more accomplished in 10 months of Obama then they were able to accomplish in 8 years of Bush.
> I don't see how a Democratic majority is any better than a
> Republican one.
It isn't. Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than political approximations of Tweedledum and Tweedledee. We who consider ourselves as progressive need to give serious thought to supporting and voting for third-party candidates in 2010 -- and be willing to do such.
Absolutely correct. Third party now, or rather second party, as there is only one. We are in an oligopoly directed and controlled by the illegal theocratic conspiracy known as The Family. That it has been allowed to go this far is evidence that our system of government is lost to us, and we have but slim chance to restore it even if if we act immediately and decisively. An independent political party must be formed immediately, and the criminal conspiracy of the Fellowship must be called out for what it is, and prosecuted.
First, let's call it what it is, the Democrat Party. It is not democratic. It is what that GOP calls it, because they now own it , along with Doug Coe.
There is a criminal conspiracy in government , violating the separation of church and state, and the principles of the two party system. It is known as The Family, or The Fellowship, run by Doug Coe. You, the Democratic Party, are increasingly in league with it, and with its immoral power-grabbing agenda. That is why independent parties will now be forming to expose and defeat you where possible. If you persist in pursuing a theocratic/oligarchic fascism in the mold of the modern day Arab empire, the American people will not take it lying down. Prepare for a long bloody battle, and an uneasy , difficult, unprofitable run of rule if you win. Count on it. We are not 11th century dirt farmers who will bow down to this nonsense like the rabble of the GOP will, and do.
In the interview Jeff Sharlet mentioned there is video of Rep Pitts talking about wanting to create a government for God but I've looked through YouTube and Google video and can't find it. If anyone has better luck than I did can you please post a link. I think such a thing would be very valuable to pass around - much as Huckabee's campaign speech where said we should "amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards."
Thanks!
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http://satiricalpolitical.com/2009/07/21/viag...
Looking at the list of names I am wondering why Stupak wants to be southern.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
Ever been to northern Michigan in winter?
he's a Northern conservative, very Catholic, very law&order kinda guy.
He "knows" what God wants and he wants to make sure you do too. Whether he's doing that as a police officer 'enforcing' the Law; or as a congressman, making the Law. He's the Law!!!
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
is why these people are even a part of the Democratic Party? They clearly are conservative and are more aligned with Repubs.
We can thank Rahm Emmanuel and Harold Ford Jr. for doing such a good job in endorsing the "right" candidates to support. This is what you get when you put power hungry elitists in charge. Would love to see an analysis of Emmanuel supported Dems and their voting records.
I think this could tell us a lot of why the Obama admin has acted the way it has thus far.
Obama's administration, and you can even count the remotely liberal ones too (to inflate numbers). A clear picture emerges...
Damn, that's a heart-wrenching ceremony :(
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
And nicely done by the Commander-in-Chief.
Now if we could only, collectively as a nation, get our heads out of this fear-based governance that Bush and Cheney saddled us with.
Heath Shuler's campaign chair (now his chief of staff) told me and my husband personally that Heath would never vote to restrict abortion.
We supported him not just because of that but because the district was fairly conservative (many registered Democrats had been voting Republican for years). And because he would be a Democratic vote a majority of the time.
Period. It seems that this Stupak amendment is unconstitutional because it only applies to Women, thus violating the equal protection clause. If it somehow passes, it should be struck down by the Courts.
yet here we are again. The hypocrisy in this country is getting so blatant, that something has to give. Killing living and loved people for the unknown, unconscious, unborn and then abandoning young children with respect to food, medical care, education, etc. All the things that would give them a chance to have a good life. WTF? Then some moron will ask if we are saying that minorities are inferior because they need a leg up? I mean you, Timwit.
Here in Canada, our Supreme Court took both abortion and gay rights off the table as a political football for politicians to use as wedge issues simply by ruling that any law that contravenes the equality statutes of our constitution is unconstitutional.
In the US, not so much. The courts, up to and including the Supreme Court, seem to be riddled with bigoted, misogynistic right-wingers. I wouldn't count on them for justice.
made it legal. Reagan started packing this Court years ago, and most in the legal profession have know for a long time that the big Court is corrupt.
12/19/75
John Paul Stevens: Protestant
09/26/86
Antonin Scalia: Roman Catholic
02/18/88
Anthony Kennedy: Roman Catholic
10/23/91
Clarence Thomas: Roman Catholic
08/10/93
Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Jewish
08/03/94
Stephen Breyer: Jewish
09/29/05
John G. Roberts: Roman Catholic
01/31/06
Samuel Alito: Roman Catholic
08/06/09
Sonia Sotomayor: Roman Catholic
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Roe v. Wade, which 'legalized' abortion was a plurality opinion in which Justice Brennan "found" a "right of privacy" in the whole of the Bill of Rights. A woman's decision regarding abortion was a "private" one, therefore the Government could not interfere, without a compelling interest. While the outcome of this ruling was to make abortion legal, it wasn't the best reasoning from a strict construction POV. If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned, it will probably be on the grounds that this "right to privacy" doesn't exist, not because of a "protecting the unborn" argument. A much better way to settle the issue, a la Canada, would be to frame any law restricting abortion (like the effing
StupidStupak Amendment) as a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, because it only affects women."I had also become interested in the feminist movement and could readily now see that the Bible is a formidable barrier to woman's right to realize her potential and even control her own body. The assent which women granted to the Church to use the Bible in a way detrimental to their self-interest goals alarmed me."--Ruth Hurmence Green
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killed. It's that simple, and it is still happening. Isn't that one of the justifications for being in Afghanistan? See Middle East, extracurricular activity in soccer arenas, honor killings, rape victims killed as they have become unclean due to their rape, and so on. If these fools think they are going to stop us from going forward, I have a feeling they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
"I have a feeling they are wrong, wrong, wrong."
Freedom Evolves(Paperback). :)
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From one of my earlier films:
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
the "be all and end all," and the real one. The god of "Adam and Eve" fame is a putz. A wannabe. A manifestation of male control freaks the world over. Get over yourself all you self-important twats.
Did you notice that was a quote from a film I did about a wacky apocalyptic religious cult? The whole purpose was to show Abrahamic religious theology as a bunch of backward barbaric insanity and how easily people who are promised salvation will follow such absurd ideas.
There's a link to the trailer if you care to see.
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Women don't have to be feminists to resent the Old Testament story of the creation of Eve, fashioned as she was from the rib of a member of the opposite sex.
Actually, men don't have too much to crow about, either, for they were modeled from dust, according to the Bible, only when it occurred to the Creator that there was no one to till the new-born land. With this need in mind and with the Garden of Eden next on God's impulse list, fortunately Adam was a "man of the soil."
A careful perusal of the early verses of Genesis, however, reveals yet another tale of the creation of the two sexes, one that puts both of them on a par. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . . So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Gen. 1:26,27 These verses suggest that females are also in God's image, contrary to the claim of St. Paul, whose narcissism precluded a feminine deity. ;p
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who was he talking to? I asked a priest this once, and he changed the subject. Anyone?
tom cruise
Cue the Kabuki....
...would have loved to have been there! Talk about "A Game Changer" :P
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or an apple?
"The setting is idyllic—a garden near the river Euphrates. Four streams flow from this paradise, and Adam has been created to till it and tend it, with whatever tools he can whip up from sharp rocks and stones. Already mentally exhausted from thinking of a name for every living creature, his chest hurting, and minus a rib, he nevertheless has one compensation. At his side, or in the near vicinity, and like Adam in her birthday suit, gambols Mother Eve.
Being almost alone on this newly-formed planet, she not surprisingly is eager to talk to anyone or anything however "subtil," and is not at all taken aback to find herself addressed (in a language with a preponderance of hissing sounds) by a serpent. This snake, aha, has an evil intent, although God has just looked over his new universe and declared everything in it very good.
To back-track just a little, it is necessary to know that two trees exist in the garden, besides at least one fig plant with rather large leaves. One of these two trees bears fruit which contains the god-like knowledge of good and evil, the other the fruit of everlasting life."--Ruth Hurmence Green
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God has started right out laying down organized rules, getting into shape for the prodigious task-to-come of formulating the Mosaic law, and has warned Adam and Eve (apparently in the same sibilant Esperanto being used by all members of the cast) not to eat the fruit of one of these trees. But how anyone who doesn't know right from wrong could be expected to practice obedience (for disobedience is the original sin for which all persons will be branded evil-doers from birth) presents a bit of a mystery. How can the innocent sin?
Rather than sink her teeth into this ethical question, Eve, precursor of Snow White, chooses instead to bite into the apple from the tree of knowledge, at the urging of the serpentine tempter, who is beginning to show his true colors (garter-snake green). She then proceeds to compound the felony by submitting to a generous impulse and offering Adam a taste.
Now, to whom will go the eventual blame for this verboten snack? Biblical chivalry can admit of no other but Eve. "She gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Adam thus became the world's first tattletale and finger-pointer, and Eve learns that the Lord won't tolerate unselfishness. So she puts the blame on the snake, who retires behind a familiar sign: "The Buck Stops Here."
I'm done here, gotta get back on-track...
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Yet the right of might in Intolerance must win, as one commenter said abandon the children, use them for sex toys, starve them, deny medical care and housing assistance.
Then remember we are Holier then Thou Phony ass Christians who will ALWAYS put SELF interest and PARTY INTEREST above the interest of the people. Our Loyalty is to one another SCREW the American Ideal.
Yet the Wacko Right will still support such anal leadership and claim it is (gags) god inspired.
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."--Barack Obama
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I read somewhere a couple of years ago that Hillary Clinton was a Family member. Can anyone here confirm that?
associated with them. She has been a "partner in prayer" in their weekly Prayer Breakfasts for senators, but she's "a 'friend', less elect than a member..." ("The Family", Jeff Sharlet, p.260 and see also pp 272-277).
...out here. I don't watch cable or network (not) news. Is Rachel the only one who is covering this aspect, which when all is said and done, is the MAIN aspect of the story?
This is a FLAGRANT violation of the separation of church and state, but I'm not hearing it anywhere but from Rachel.
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Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Democrats taking away reproductive freedom for women. That Republicans Conservatives did, I had no doubt, but Democrats?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
...of the christian superstition are working their way into the democratic party too. If we don't start looking past the "D" after a candidate's name to see what they really are, nothing will ever change in this country.
is a great big rock that needs to be turned over and have its inhabitants scuttle away from the light of publicity. Evil breeds best in the dark.
On a previous thread I lamented the World's lack of Charles Dickens. Now I am imagining if only Dickens worked for 60 minutes. Deeeep sigh.
... and brought it to ruin have found a happy home with the Dems.
Big tent my a$$.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
and all, but it appears some need to be dragged out of the tent, stripped of all Dem. credentials, and banished forever from the 'tent'!
Cue the Kabuki....
Throughout the 1920s, Abram directed Seattle's division of Goodwill Industries. He didn't just open stores for used clothes; he organized 49,000 housewives into thirty-seven districts and set them to work salvaging goods for the poor. In 1932, Franklin Roosevelt, governor of New York, invited Abram to his office to discuss his organizing system. Later he'd come to see Russian red running through out Roosevelt's New Deal, but at the time Abram was captivated by another man summoned to advise the governor, James Augustine Farrell, president of the United States Steel Corporation. Abram had met industry chiefs before then, but here was a titan.
A tall, stern man of dark suits and high collars, Farrell had led U.S. Steel for decades, since not long after its creation as the biggest business enterprise in history, and he had a reputation as an industrial free thinker. The year before he'd rebuked a group of businessmen for treating workers like animals. Farrell looked on his employees more like children. Big business, he believed, ought to act as a big brother, and to that end he insisted that the age of competition had passed; captains of industry must be freed of antitrust legislation so that they might better council together for the good of the innocent and the poor.
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The real question is are all the guys on "C" Street...asshole buddies?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
No, that is not the "real question"......
be more tolerant!......except when it comes to jebus freaks trying to take away rights and speed up the 'rapture'....
I have NO tolerance for these people.....and can't understand why the Dem party does either!
Cue the Kabuki....
They do BJ's work here on earth, preparing for his return.
I read Jeff Schalet's book-it scared the hell out of me. Here are some links--it's a variety of sources. I have included Revisionists, Dominionists and Christian Nationalists too--often they are difficult to separate. People really need to take a look at this information, even the faithful, who often don't realize, the true agenda. There are differnt layers in these groups, some are more active, some are just bible readers looking for a group, some are in charge, and have been working for decades toward their goal. If you take a look at the links, then research the names you find--Doug Coe, David Coe. The Family is a separate clan from what we normally think of as the Religious Right, but they are tied to these other organizations. Many of the names you know, but their true philosopy is different from the theology they present.
The ties to the US Governamnt is freightening. State, Pentagon, Justice all have members. The National Prayer Breakfast was started by the Family and serves as a network between all of these groups.
http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/GUIDES/45...
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blo...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/c-s...
http://www.streetprophets.com/storyonly/2009/...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/87...
http://www.grailwerk.com/docs/publiceye01.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?...
http://freedomscribe.com/?tag=christian-natio...
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/5/155...
http://www.brucegourley.com/christiannation/t...
until I got over it. That's not true--I'll never get over it. Freaks.
..."People believe what they want to believe" --T_C
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler."--Albert Einstein
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around the corner, F-Street and U-Street.
... Thanks calgarylady.
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Bart Stupak was a cop many years ago. He has usually supported workers and in general been fairly good about supporting traditional democratic policies.
Several years ago his son committed suicide, and after that very sad tragedy, I think he has turned even more to reigion. While the Upper Peninsula of my state may seem conservative, there has alaways been a staggering amount of unemployment, which means many folks are on governement assistance of some kind. So politically, they have always been much more into liberal policies and governemnt safety nets.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
...Thank you Heather ♥
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of people that should be in custody.
Rep. Bart Stupak D-MI
Rep. Joe Pitts R-PA
Rep. Ike Skelton D-MO
Rep. Mike McIntyre D-NC
Rep. John Tanner D-TN
Rep. Lincoln Davis D-TN
Rep. Dan Boren D-OK
Rep. Heath Shuler D-NC
I just want to take a moment and apologize for the whole state of michigan for continuing to elect this idiot (he's not in my district; thanks to some gerrymandering a few years ago, I have to deal with Bush clone Mike Rogers). Over the last 35-40 years, Republicans have turned what once was a strong blue collar democratic voting state into a Republican stronghold (even though we barely vote democrat, the mentality of the people here is that tuff guy, redneck, i don't need the gov't for nothing, Alabama thinking). He's one of the major reasons are state is flushing itself down the toilet.
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