MADDOW: And South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham is a Republican which means in 2009 that he does not support health reform. In his case, he really, really does not support health reform.
While arguing against the bill that is all but certain to pass the Senate this Thursday at 8:00 a.m., Sen. Graham made an argument that I think was supposed to be about health reform. But it was one that quickly became more illustrative about him than it was about any policy issue whatsoever.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Throughout the nation, there are going to be thousands of more people enrolled in Medicaid. And every state, except one, is going to have to come up with matching money.
I have 12 percent unemployment in South Carolina. My state is on its knees. I have 31 percent African-American population in South Carolina.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: See, we`ve got it tough. We`re on our knees. Twelve percent of our people are unemployed and 31 percent of our people are black. Why is that a - go on.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRAHAM: In my state, with 30 percent African-American citizens, a lot of low-income people in South Carolina, is going to cost my state $1 billion. That`s the same old stuff that I object to. That`s not change we can believe in. That`s sleazy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: The argument here appears to be that Sen. Graham believes it is sleazy to expect a state with lots of black people in it to have health reform. Because you know, black people. Maybe he meant something other than what it seemed like he meant with those remarks.
But it should be noted he did use the same, utterly inexplicable argument twice - once on the Senate floor and then, because it worked so well, once on "The Today Show," both when asked about health reform.
We contacted Sen. Graham`s office today for an explanation. We`ll let you know when and if we hear back.
Don't hold your breath Rachel. Goober Graham is about as likely to come on your program as one of the Cheney father daughter tag team.
Lindsays area of the country that had all of the living wage textile mill jobs and he helped bust all of the textile workers unions down by voting for the various free trade agreements therefore shutting down the mills?
Nice ideology there Linds.
Not having seen the clip, his point may've been to insert a wedge between President Obama, half-black, and the black population of his state, although race has nothing to do with the issue, and probably the partisan makeup of their state legislature does.
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"Not having seen the clip"
You really should have stopped there.
I get a Today Show video when I click the Flash image.
And I'm at work.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
A racist in South Carolina.
I would like to know, however, what the statistics are on racial distribution of poverty in SC.
Here's a stat abstract from 1999. Hope to find updates.
South Carolina
White Residents 224,339
% Below Poverty 8.6
Black Residents 298,418
% Below Poverty 26.4
Residents - Other Races 25,112
% Below Poverty 19.6
Hispanic Residents 22,440
% Below Poverty 25.4
http://www.ors2.state.sc.us/abstract/chapter1...
Now, it would be interesting to note the educational achievement of the aforementioned categories. I'll see what I can find.
is due to the number of black people? or, the unemployment is because the black people? He is is telling us something. What is he trying to say? Without black people, things would be better in SC? Well, we know exactly what he is saying. The mofo a is sorry ass racist dumb ass. But we all know that long time ago. No big news here.
If there were fewer black people in South Carolina then it would be easier to get socially progressive laws passed which would help to lower the unemployment and poverty rate. But because the majority of the white South Carolinians think that these socially progressive laws would benefit the black South Carolinians and would help to decrease the economical and social distance between them they opposite the laws.
A strange comment from a guy any progressive would be happy to see out of the Senate, but it seems as if he meant to reference either the African American unemployment or poverty rate not the SC population.
This is a favorite meme of conservatives on both sides of the aisle. It justifies standing back and watching a man drown because he was "too lazy" to learn to swim. It justifies eliminating any social programs beyond those that save conservatives money.
The problem is, while preaching personal responsibility, these same conservatives howl victimization whenever anyone points out the free rides on government aircraft or the use of office staff to do personal errands. Prime example - princess Sarah.
The answer: Personal responsibility is for poor people.
Happy Holidaze!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIMfdlVGmqM
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Sorry. Total rip-off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaEqqD4FWHc
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
They don't look high.
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Merry Christmas, all.
Could Lindsey have given us a better gift than to slam 31% of all the voters in his state? :)
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
So if his state has 12% unemployment and 31% black...that means 19% of the black people are employed....because we all know that 100% of the white people are employed....cause white people aren't lazy...right Lindsay?
Graham and other Conservatives know slamming blacks is a free shot at this point. They've got nothing to lose and they can rile up the many Klansman in the Party.
They're called "Teabaggers" now. :)
Oh, BTW, today (according to my trivia calendar) is the 144th anniversary of the KKK.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
for the Xmas carolers...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
SC Population 4,479,800 - 2008
White - 67.2%
3,010,425
Black - 29.5%
1,469,375
2008 First Time Freshman Enrollment
http://www.che.sc.gov/Finance/Abstract/Abstra...
White - 26,654
Black - 12,393
Enrollment at Technical Colleges or 2 Year Institutions
White - 10,675 (40%)
Black - 6,293 (51%)
% First Time Freshman Enrollment of Total Population
White - .8%
Black - .8%
2008 Total Undergraduate Enrollment
White - 127,979
Black - 56,110
Enrollment at Technical Colleges or 2 Year Institutions
White - 51,011 (40%)
Black - 27,723 (49%)
% Undergraduate Enrollment of Total Population
White - 4.25%
Black - 3.8%
Check my math if U want. Seems pretty well equal to me except for the 2 year/tech school numbers.
it gets interesting.
What did that have to do with Maddox???
if there is some sort of correlation between race, poverty and education level.
No X in Maddow.
Are you trying to make a funny like teabag master Dick Armey? It wasn't funny when he did it either...unless you're a teabagger. Her PhD in 'something that doesn't matter' is political science by the way.
From June 30, 2007 - July 1, 2008
Associates
White - 4,970 (1.6% of white population)
Black - 2,088 (1.4% of black population)
Bachelor
White - 14,239 (.47% if white population)
Black - 3,983 (.27% of black population)
Trying to find complete numbers of SC college graduates by race.
However, the K-12 testing is telling:
http://www.ed.gov/nclb/accountability/results...
2000 Census
White
HS Grads - 83.6%
Bachelor Degree - 26.1%
Advanced Degree - 9.5%
Black
HS Grads - 72.3%
Bachelor Degree - 14.3%
Advanced Degree - 4.8%
Poverty Rates - 2007 Census Bureau
White - 8.2%
Black - 24.7%
misses the point entirely.
It's not about how much more will be spent on MedicAid, it's about not needing the program to begin with.
Typical republican - band-aid thinking for an open-heart surgery problem.
Graham is not acknowledging that although he is a two-term governor, Sanford hasn't done as much to create jobs or attract business to S.C. Sanford has been an obstructionist in his own political party, bringing two piglets onto the floor of the state legislature to show his opposition to pork. The piglets shat on the floor while he was holding them. This is the guy who wanted to turn down all of the stimulus money and had to be sued by two students to get the education funds for his own state. S.C. did not complete the paperwork so that it's unemployed citizens could get the unemployment funds. It only recently applied for the funds, and officials were pointing fingers at each other to lay blame. The same thing happened with the funds that would provide consumer counseling to citizens so that they could avoid foreclosure. The counseling agencies were negotiating with mortgage companies to modify loans. State officials were trying to apply for this money a little more than a week ago, while other states have had their money for months. The state is seriously messed up, IMO, because the citizens keep voting incompetent officials into office. S.C. is a classic example of what happens when people vote on the basis of religion, abortion, homophobia, etc, instead of on politicians' records.
"S.C. is a classic example of what happens when people vote on the basis of religion, abortion, homophobia, etc, instead of on politicians' records."
Exactly. Sorry, SC voters, you can polish the turd of your Neocon addition all you want but you still have a turd. Vote for the rigid locksteppers like Graham and Sanford at your own risk.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
nice caption on teh clip:
"Sen. Lindsey Graham ... Ms.Information"
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He's not racist, he's just talking about, you know, black people...
Because the 31% of the states population is black and black's are poor (by definition don't ya know)...don't you understand? There are no poor white people in South Carolina it is just blacks that are poor! And they make up 31% of the population! That is alot of poor people.
I have never been to South Carolina and quite frankly, I don't care if I ever go but how long are these racists in the south going to keep getting away with this nonsense about blacks only being poor and on welfare etc? They have been playing this game with poor whites to make them feel like somehow they are better than poor blacks simply because they have white skin and so you are one of us.
So yeah, I am calling Lindsey Graham a racist and sending his not so subtle coded message to those poor white people back home.
of the textile worker stats since NAFTA et al.
http://www.ncto.org/closings/SC.html
When Reagan started his myth of the "Welfare Queen" with a black mom with lots of kids as their poster child, this is when the truth came OUT and has been going strong ever since. When Clinton tried to get health care they used the same arguments. When Rethugs took charge and Gingrich and the rest started work on their "Contract ON America" it was the same argument. The Rethugs ALL either believe OR pretend to believe that the VAST MAJORITY of those on welfare, on food stamps, on Medicaid OR are just POOR, are black.
AND they believe NOW, or PRETEND TO believe, that the VAST MAJORITY of uninsured are black OR Hispanic.
AND, even though they had NO PROBLEM with millions crossing the border illegally to WORK FOR SLAVE WAGES and refused to do anything about it for all the 12 years they COULD HAVE, because it was a boon to their corporate donors AND a way to "BREAK SOME UNIONS" and lower American Workers Pay, the possibility that some of those slave wage workers just MIGHT be treated in the same hospitals and doctor's offices THEY have to use, that's a problem.
It's not just Graham. Listen very closely to what ALL of them have to say and you will get this IGNORANT, RACIST BS from every single ONE OF THEM. AND the Blue Dog Rethugs as well.
No matter what comes up on the agenda to help ordinary citizens, whether it be unemployment benefits, food stamps, Medicaid, jobs, Republithugs and blue dog fakes will fight tooth and nail to stop it because of this belief that "THOSE PEOPLE" are not worthy of assistance. I KNOW THAT IS THE TRUTH because NOW their "charities" are going SO FAR as to refuse to give a toy to a POOR child because of their prejudices. When they target CHILDREN, with all their BIG TALK about PRO-LIFE and INSISTING every FETUS be carried full term, they have NO QUALMS about sentencing that BORN CHILD to hunger, misery, suffering, homelessness, and even death and, along the way, even taking SANTA CLAUSE away from them.
BUT, they don't "consider" themselves "RACIST"? I think their words AND actions tell a different story.
As far as I can tell, the only BIGGEST problem S.C. has, is the overwhelming number of stupid white bible thumping so-called christian bigots and hypocrites.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
i don't think they are "racist" as much as they are hypocrites.
South Carolina: where morons go to breed and feed at the trough of ignorance and racism. Nice state?
Are these troglodytes ever going to get over the as whoppin' Grant and Sherman gave them back in 64-65'? You would think 144 years would be long enough.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Senator Linsie Graham calling the Dems "sleazy" is disingenuous in the extreme: Is it really "sleazy" that we increase medical care to low income African-Americans at additional cost to everyone else? What is sleazy is that the pouty prissy thing disses health care reform because it would aid African-Americans in addition to everyone else. Excuse me, Miss Linsie, dear, but your white supremacist slip is showing.
If you want to see (or at least remember) true sleaziness think back to when Miss Linsie was points girl for the GOP in the impeachment of Bill Clinton on trumped up grounds pertaining to matters of utterly no consequence to running the government. Yes, that was Sleazy Miss Linsie pushing for impeachment in the House -- for things his own party hacks do serially: Ever checked the roster of adulterers at The Family in D.C.?
(The only reason Linsie-pie has not been caught up in whoring scandals is that, being a closet homosexual, he isn't married so it wouldn't be worth the exposure.)
Where is Acorn now that we need them. They should do the state of South Carolina in grids, criss-crossing it to sign up all those 31% African-Americans and drive them to the polls the next time Linsie Miss Sleazy runs for reelection.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
I wish they would quit calling what is going on, "Health Reform", or Health Care Reform. The bill passed has little to do with reforming health care. It's "Health Insurance Reform", and it doesn't do a lot of that, either.
We need Health Care Reform, which I interpret as providing good health care to everyone, regardless of whether they can afford it or not.
The stats perplex me...how did all those poor minority folks decide folks like Graham, Sanford, DeMint should represent them?
since when is SC minority majority?
By now, the Confederate States of America would have had a South African revolution, or worse. People like Lindsey would be begging, hat in hand, for asylum in the Northern Free States of America. Which we could choose to deny.
I was told when I worked for Johns Hopkins that you never really hit the South until you crossed into South Carolina and saw your first Klan billboard. Which puts South Carolina in the same basket with Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Kazakhstan as places I never want to vacation. As part of the United States -- dead to me.
Graham was simply noting that because African-Americans are an unusually large demographic in SC, the state would be more adversely affected financially by the increased Medicaid costs than many other states (based on the perfectly provable assumption that Afican-Americans are demonstrably poorer than whites).
The outrage would be better directed at the depraved morality that would not be ashamed of this statistic and at opposition to something that might ameliorate the misery behind the statistic.
Rachael is way off base here.
Incidentally, I loath Lindsey Graham, though he is also right at being pissed at Ben Nelson for squeezing a special deal for his state on Medicaid.
you miss the point.
Doing something about it might just take away a class group to blame for everything socially and economically wrong with a state.
I do have to wonder, however, why the black population is so far behind the educational and poverty curves than the white population.
If you look, Hispanic population is just about as bad off as the black population.
I researched further and Asians seem to be kicking everyone's ass in terms of educational and economic achievement in the USA.
i hate to "defend" that dude, but i don't think he meant any malice. is anyone here denying that blacks in the south have it economically harder?
Right now, everyone has it economically harder.
NOBODY 2012
in the South despise unions for the simple fact is that they would have to work side by side with a "colored person" that made as much money as them.
The hate runs deep.
Lindsey Lohan Graham and Addie Wilson are ignorant birds of a feather. Didn't know us colored folk were an inconvenience to ya, sir. Gotta love SC, where it's still the 1800's.
NOBODY 2012
They live and thrive and the PARTY of NO has the same old Racist Lines.
The Teabagger Brain Dead should align themselves with their fellow Racist and Nazis.
Being Black equates to Health Insurance which equates to abortion which equates to elitist, these whack jobs Racist have it all figured out.
If you Guys and Gals get the chsnce, check out the in appropriate behaviour of Colorados Hate Monger ad Fascists, G. Norton, this Bimbo plays deaf to a clearly heard remark now prove to me this WHORE isn't a Racist Nazi Fascist.
Is there any such thing as multicultural Nazis?
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Graham is blaming his inadequicies as a legislator of SC on Melanin [skin tone]. This is not a deep thinker! He gotta loose those old ways of thinking fast.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Demographics matter. Groups differ due to evolutionary separation over the past 50,000 years. Read 'The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution' or 'Before the Dawn' by NY Times Science writer Nicholas Wade.
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