Rachel Maddow Corrects Rep. Schock's Talking Points on Terrorists Being Read Miranda Rights
Like I said, if MSNBC cared about their ratings, Rachel Maddow would be hosting Meet the Press. Here she does David Gregory's job for him and corrects Rep. Aaron Schock for repeating the talking point that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab quit talking after he was read his Miranda rights and she points out that this was not an issue until a Democratic administration took office.
MR. GREGORY: Are Republicans and Republican attacks against this administration helping al-Qaeda?
REP. SCHOCK: Absolutely not. And I think it's insult to most Americans to suggest that their elected representatives who are carrying their views and the message of, of the majority of Americans to Washington and to this debate are somehow helping al-Qaeda. Mind you, these are the--many of these Democrats, including Mr. Brennan who served in the last administration, faced many of these same attacks under then-President Bush from, from the left. So the idea that we can't challenge the administration and their view on the fight on terrorism is completely bogus.
MR. GREGORY: What happened to Democrats when they challenged President Bush in the same way?
REP. SCHOCK: Well, some of the same, some of the same claims were made against them.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
REP. SCHOCK: But at the end of the day, we're representing mainstream America and the majority of views. And, and whether it's closing Guantanamo Bay and moving it to the heartland of America, whether it's the, the--trying these folks in downtown New York, whether it's Mirandizing terrorists who come to this country to attack us, the majority of Americans have not bought, do not believe that Obama and his administration is right on these policies.
MR. GREGORY: So you don't support the way the president is prosecuting the war on terror?
REP. SCHOCK: No.
REP. FORD: I, I, I, I can appreciate the, the politics that are at play here, and we're heading into a cycle, and we just met. I think he's a nice guy and a good guy, but to suggest that this administration is not focused in a right way and determined to keep America safe I, I think is just, is, is just not right and foolish. I think there's a legitimate conversation about whether Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried in my home city. I disagree with the administration, I'm glad now we are revisiting and looking at a different location. I was against it because I think the costs are too high. We're in the middle of a recession. It would cost some $225 million a year to try him there. We could spend that money in a jobs program, an education program or even to pay down the debt. But to suggest--to play politics at this moment--Democrats raised the same concerns when Bush was in office and the same answers were given and--some similar answers were given by Republicans. The truth of the matter is Congress and the Senate ought to be focused on our efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq, and ensuring that our AfPak policy works. The conversation around Pakistan and Kashmir and whether or not a resolution there will help us resolve our issues in Afghanistan are far more important than a volleyball going back and forth about who's at fault. Barack Obama and his administration deserve tremendous credit for what they've done up to this moment.
MR. GREGORY: All right. Quick, quick comment, then I want to move it to domestic matters.
REP. SCHOCK: First of all, I want to make it clear: Nobody's suggesting that President Obama and his administration don't want us to be safe. What we're suggesting is he's taking unnecessary risks.
MS. MADDOW: Well, well, can I just...
MR. GREGORY: All right. Yeah.
MS. MADDOW: I'm sorry, though. What's the basis of the assertion that reading somebody their Miranda rights is unsafe? We did that with every...
REP. SCHOCK: Well, Rachel, you said yourself...
MS. MADDOW: Wait, hold on. We did that with every single person who has been arrested on terrorism charges since 9/11. Nobody's ever made an issue of it until the Obama administration and this case with Abdulmutallab. Literally, what's, what's the problem with being read your rights that wasn't the problem before?
REP. SCHOCK: Well, first of all, you suggested earlier that reading someone's Miranda rights does not--has never indicated that they talk less to our intelligence folks.
MS. MADDOW: We've never heard that from the FBI.
REP. SCHOCK: The fact of the matter is we do know that after the Christmas Day bomber was read his Miranda rights that he did, in fact, stop cooperating with our intelligence.
MS. MADDOW: That's not true, actually. I mean, it's not what we know from the people who've been involved in that. It's just...
MR. GREGORY: But there is--but, but the...
MS. MADDOW: The, the factual basis of these assertions is so thin.
Cue to David Gregory to change subjects...quick!! Sorry we're out of time let's move along here.
that is why I love Rachel!
gregory is an assklown, a fucking repug terd. and he was given the job by Todd, who promised to attack the Obama admin beginning 11/9/2008. I'm surprised Gregory did not go to fuxNoise.
Some stuff you can't make up!
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"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
...is a mystery.
He lacks intellect, spent years defending and sidling up to the Bush administration and never appears to grasp the finer aspects of his guest's opinions or comments.
He also does what he did here: move away from a topic of debate, just as it is being discussed from both sides.
I find him irritating and embarrassing.
David Gregory is terrible, he proved to be a kiss-ass during the Bush years. Russert showed cowardice during the Bush years, refusing to challenge Cheney and the others from the administration.
David Gregory's performance in this video explains everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D75vjWYL5hc
Rachel would make a great moderator for Meet the Press. The only time I watch MTP is when I know Maddow will be on the panel. Gregory never asks follow up questions nor chellenges a guest. All soft ball questions.
pennlady
Gregory sits and grins. That's all he does!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Cracked me up! I first read the "sits" with an "H"
lol
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
That may happen occasionally. I wouldn't be surprised.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
on the issues of the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFpWqm_EEZ8&fe...
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
knows everything Rach says is true, when he was on the Whitehouse press corps he used to hammer Ari constantly with those types of questions/remarks. That's why he is smiling IMO
For some reason he is not allowed to act the same way on MTP
I don't remember him "constantly" hammering Ari. I remember that once or twice he asked a hard question and a follow up. Now for the docile WH press corp that lived in the Bush White House I grant you that was amazing. But he stuck out as a tough reporter only by the fact that every one else around him (or at least those that still regularly got called on for questions, e.g. Helen Thomas) were such wimps.
That was a complete embarassment. The fact that cheney's name is even mentioned pubically is amazing. Noticing how he's able to lie bald face to MSM and never be challenged is pathetic.
"The fact that cheney's name is even mentioned pubically is amazing."
You misspelled "pubicly."
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'wet behind the ears'..Brooks was flustered and Gregory was whining.. Maddow would not have the autonomy at MTP because they have biased producers who are run by the corporate sponsors!
She is excellent at putting a nail on the point with facts and certitude! Support her at every turn but do not force her into the smarmey main stream --a waste of talent and truth!
We can push this out repeatedly to all outlets --do it !
"But at the end of the day, we're representing mainstream America and the majority of views."
Right. How's that President McCain working out for you?
Of course what he's really saying is if you're not mainstream, we have a right to consider you subhuman and your ideas invalid. And if you're mainstream, you can't possibly be accussed of being wrong. And he's not even the majority!
I would think that the simple fact that the Republicans are the minority party would mean that they are no longer mainstream. They lost that title when they lost the house, senate and presidency.
They also do not represent the majority of views, as the minority party, they represent the minority of views, and I can't believe nobody called him on that, frankly.
"I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company."
- Glenn Beck - Forbes interview; April 26, 2010
quite true but that doesn't stop them from building an alternate reality to make true whatever they choose to make true.
I happen to think this alternate reality is a conscious plan by the fox nation leaders. Sadly all the sheep in the fox nation eat it up like ice cream.
Seems his days of dancing with/for Rove never seem to end.
I will help out with that one, ticket sales would go through the roof. Maybe the DNC could use that as a fund raiser.
. . . to rip off Shrock's toupee. How can you expect anyone to believe you when you show up wearing such a blatant lie? You are not mainstream, "Mr." Shrock, you are a fringe loony pretending a crowd of 10,000 is a million.
Yeah, that's quite a rug. "And here, Mr. Shrock, is our Rising Young White Republican model. Slim and shiny, elegant yet sporty..."
That's not my final offer. Gregory is useless.
NOBODY 2012
During this part of the conversation, Rachael owned that program. If she hosted Meet the Press, I would never want to miss a single show.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
from the reaming he took Sunday morning.
Click on "Republicans are weirdos" and watch the sort Video B.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Oh, hell, no! He's way used to that feeling after years of cruising Peoria's Riverfront Park. But, he's so naive that when he first went down there he thought Joe's Crab Shack was a gay bar!
Go to the Blog Round Up and watch the wiggling video.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Abdulmutallab was severely burned, (some say good for him) none the less, he was treated after he talked for those burns, with in the hour, or he would of become incoherrant, from the pain and that means medicated for pain, a medicate for burns person is not a reliable "talker". These Republicans wanted, him grilled and if he died, he died. And republicans would be even worst, but Obama didn't follow that plan
This is where "thinking" comes in, the Obama administration has taken the course of getting everything we can and keep him talking, for as long as we can approach. They thought of the box and enlisted the family and he talked even more, very valuable Intel was the result, by those in the know and Republican saw a display of better Intel as a result, so they had to condemned it all, mainly because it showed their tactics as limited and untrustworthy.
Obama has led very well on this, The Cheney family business has been showed up as well here, Bush was wise to stop listening Cheney over the second term and started choosing to do some of the very same things Obama is doing.
Cheney is being shown up, so he sends his daughter out to muddy the waters and attack, inssert, assert, and accuse Obama of being inept, weak and Dick him self comes out accusing the President of not taking it serious, the flailing of a neutered man and his imp daughter, try as they might American’s security is in very good hands.
Now is any security Perfect… No, but it’s today far better than the past approach of becoming the murdering bastard, losing of nations high ground and morals. Cheney wanted to supplant the Constitution and implant his morality and tell the Nation, shut up, I will do worst than our enemies to protect you and have to be grateful, or your un-America, your Dick-Dictator and imp has spoken…arrghh
Ministerbruce
"Abdulmutallab was severely burned" > "These Republicans wanted, him grilled" I've got a sick sense of humor and I thought that was worth a giggle. It's "rare" that one sees that kind of combination done accidently in this "medium", but, I must say, that was "well done".
Gregory's "let's move on" whenever the liberal (usually a moderate) starts putting out the truth to the GOP's lies is SOP for most of the conservative propoganda programs masquerading as talk shows. Russert did the same thing. If Rachel Maddow shows up these frauds too much you can bet she won't be asked back.
I stopped watching them a long time ago. If more real liberals like Rachel Maddow I would tune in again.
To me, it's not so much that Rachael is "liberal" she just has her facts and act together. She knows what the hell she's talking about without using flat and unsubstantial talking points. She does her homework and comes prepared with background to support what she reports.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Exactly. That's what I miss about these shows - actual "reporting," not just regurgitating. Librul or conservative, BS is BS and it should get called by our "news" shows.
Even though Harold Ford hasn't signed any papers yet, he sure sounds like a candidate. He said yesterday he would fight for the people on Wall Street. I wonder how that's going to sound to people anywhere but on Wall Street. I know how it sounded to me. It sounded like he wants the big campaign dollars from those same people on Wall Street. He sure does suck!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
These resluglicans can read and regurgitate talking points...That's ALL they can do but they seem to do it well... Automatons at work.. AND if you ever had illusions of bitch-slapping David Brooks just because he's a jerk Rachel had the perfect chance... Just look at the pix...just a quick right upper-cut..never would know what hit him...
The problem with letting Rachel grill these guys, and IMO they deserve all of it, is ratings. If the show becomes about exposing hypocrisy and political lies, the high-profile pols will stay away in droves and ratings plummet. That's why certain Republicans will never or rarely appear anywhere but Fox.
And what's with Ford being on MTP? Why is he relevant? (although he sounds reasonable in this clip...)
Rachael is respectful of her guests and isn't afraid to allow them to say whatever they want. This is the way a reporter gets information. It's not like she attacks people ala BillO. Maybe if she hosted a show like Meet the Press, it would be a challenge for people to come on her show and know in advance they would be called on their bs. It might just keep them honest.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
All true, but would being called on BS mean very few Republicans will dare appear? Much like they avoid Stewart and Colbert.
I wonder though if she should be at CNN or one of the networks where she can get more exposure. MSNBC isn't going anywhere and IMO neither is her career while she's there. Put her on NBC in Leno's old slot.
I believe the host job is still open for George Stephanopoulos' old Sunday Morning Job. Give her a try at that one.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
do go on Colbert and Stewarts show all the time. and usually have their asses handed to them. Newty was on with Jon just the other day. Another fail.
Just once I'd like to be addressed as Sir. Without the "You are creating a scene"
is so in the pocket of rightwing tools. As soon as it was obvious that Rachel was not going to let Schock off the hook he literally stopped her in her tracks from continuing. It was infuriating. He should stick to dancing with Karl Rove
Oh, and by the way..Harold Ford - GO AWAY.
I've pretty much stopped watching MTP. I was often disappointed even when Russert was there, but Gregory really stinks. He does a lousy job of hiding his true colors. I'm sorry tired of folks in the media not challenging false assertions, and blatant lies. Really, isn't that their job?
After his performance with Biden and his shutting down Maddow every time she called out Brooks or Dumb (Schock). Sorry Rachel, even you're not worth that. Now if Rachel was on without Gregory, preferably hosting, then I'd be parked in front of my set every Sunday morning.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Rachel represents the truth of the matter. She doesn't spin it too much, just puts out the facts.
She has talked about Obama and Dem blunders on her show... so she has proven to me that she is willing to present both sides of the political spectrum.
She has a keen sense, a great bullshit barometer
The thing is that she is more intelligent than any of the other hosts and probably more so than any of the guests.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
She has this little thing I like to call "integrity" which is so noticeably absent from any of the Villagers these days.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Yes, there's that too.
If Sarah Palin would go on Rachael's show for a full hour, I would donate money to pay Palin for her appearance. We all know Palin is drawn to money like a moth to a flame.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I'd give up a year's pay for it.
Didn't he used to be a decent reporter? I seem to recall a few time where he and Ari Fleischer or he and Scott McClellan got into back and forth sessions because he would push them.
It's funny how Republicans seem to try to stick to the message despite being faced with the facts. It's sad how it's more important to Republicans to not change than to it is to actually be right on the facts and their base seems to find the not changing thing a better quality.
He wants to keep being invited to all the parties and wants the powers to be know that he is on their side against the great unwashed masses.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
he became a DC insider doing the dirty boogaloo with Karl Rove.
He was a pretty crappy reporter before he got this gig. He very occasionally got something right, but it was rare.
Chuck Todd is following in Gregory's footsteps. They are more opinion people than reporters. I mean, are there any real reporters these days? I would say Richard Engel is about as close as any but he reports on the wars. We need some like him here in the US telling us the facts, not their opinions.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
What's that on that Repub's head? A Frisbee?
combover, isn't it? I thought it was a skunk trying to stay warm up there.
Hey, didn't Colbert go out and interview Schock on his "Get to know a district", or whatever it's called?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Ford: I think there's a legitimate conversation about whether Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried in my home city.
Since when did anyone propose having the trial in Memphis? The whole paragraph from which that quote was taken was one that should qualify Ford for immediate residency and eligibility to represent a weasel den.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
My husband and I laughed when we heard Ford say that yesterday morning. He's lived in NY for two years and will file as residents for 2009 for the first time. Now it's his very own home town. How quaint.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Showing everyone his gun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUy2ajGu9A
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
It's just too early for me to be able to make it all the way through that. In fact, I doubt if I ever could make it all the way through that.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Harold Ford a New Yorker.
Watta little leg-humper he is.
As New Yorkers, we are used to immigrants like Harold Ford. We're pretty tolerant, he can take up residence here.
However, we're not stupid enough to vote for this lying sack of shit for Senator.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
Harold Ford even on this show?
He has no current credentials for this debate.
When he noted that the KSM trial may be held in his "home city" I knew all I needed about why he got a chair this Sunday.
His home city. What a laugh.
Harold likes being on teevee and NBC likes giving him all the time he wants. Kind of like Pat Buchanan.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUy2ajGu9A
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Nothing has changed since the first time you linked it. Stills sounds like a cat in pain played at a slow speed.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Who always said Dylan was "caterwauling" to her.
I actually posted the wrong video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADCz4pXYoVo
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
When I first saw him, I thought, "Why is Derek Jeter on this show?"
RFK, HRC, and Harold Ford Combined.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
The truth is I don't know what to think about Mirandaizing somebody like this. I know this is controversial but it is just what I am thinking. I think that the guy in this situation should be tried in a normal court though.
I think that if you have somebody who has just tried to set off a bomb on a plane, I think that it may be a good thing to try to get as much info as possible as soon as possible. Here is where I differ from the Republican/Billy The Bloody/Palin/Cheney Duo point of view; The bomber should never be tortured. Torture gets you nothing but he should be interrogated by professionals who know how to do it. These professional interrogators can sweet talk blood from a rock. Without torturing him try to find out if he knows if there are more bombers sitting on more planes someplace but do not torture him. Maybe I am wrong here. Maybe they should Mirandize the guy but I don't think so.
You know the main problem with Guantanamo is not that it is there or it is used to keep terrorists out of the country, it is that it is a torture chamber. If the Cheney White House never tortured one terrorist then Guantanamo would not be such a big deal would it. The Cheney crew ruined it by using it as a torture chamber and they are probably still torturing people there... or at least beating people to death.
at once. If you are not, anything the authorities elicit from you is not admissible in court. If you waive your rights, that is another story, but if the perp is from another country and their English is not so good or non-existent, then a question will arise about whether or not they knowingly waived their rights. That's the law, and do you really want the authorities deciding on a case by case basis whether or not to advise you of your rights? Innocent until proven guilty. Are we going to let some GOP/Conservative cowards change everything?
I totally understand where you are coming from. What I said is just the way I feel. I don't want anybody to be thrown in jail who is not guilty (innocent until proven guilty). Maybe I should just not worry if somebody else is on another plane with his underwear full of bombs. I have made that point before too. We can't be wimps. But in this case the bomber was caught with his underpants on fire. There is no doubt that he tried to blow up the plane. I don't need a court to tell me he is guilty. I also understand that this could become a slippery slope so maybe we should just lock him up until his court date and see if the court finds him guilty and then sentence him. It is a very difficult situation.
Oh forget it.
If you get him to waive his rights or have a lawyer in the room. Which works much more often than you would think. First, in these cases his lawyer knows the guy was caught red handed and his best chance is to cooperate. Second the best people in the police and FBI are very good at BS-ing suspects, making them feel like they are their friends. Also, many suspects have a desire to talk.
We have a system that works, its only fear and lies that make us think we need to change it. In the 60's we had home grown terrorists planting bombs and hijacking planes to cuba, no one ever suggested we needed a separate justice system. As Savannah points out, once you let law enforcement decide who doesn't need to get Miranda its over as a right. Suddenly people arrested for civil disobediance or protesting or for resisting arrest because they were unable to get up after they were tazered by a cop (that last one is a real example in the Bay area I heard the other day) won't be getting it either.
Yeah, a cop cannot be trusted with this responsibility. Screw it. Oh, I would never put a cop in the same league as an FBI interrogator. But none of them can be trusted.
everyone is treated fairly. Innocent until proven guilty is nothing if individuals who the perps are exposed to can decide the course of their treatment. That's supposed to be why we call ourselves a nation of laws. I understand your frustration, Captain K. I really do. But logic and honor must prevail. Right? Especially now when honor is abhorrent to the Republikans.
Who is this guy? Did this 12-year old really think he could be a match for Rachel? I found another clip from the same show that has Rachel really digging in to him about the hypocrisy of the republicans voting against the stimulus bill then showing up at ribbon-cutting ceremonies to tout what they brought back to their districts. Watch the first video at:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/...
"12-year-old" -- great image! He sits there with his hands folded looking as blank and clueless as Ellen Page in those Cisco commercials.
Crisco Commercials. Emmmm!
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
I remember those old Crisco commercials with a lovely aproned model telling the viewers that Crisco is "so pure, all vegetable"!
Thanks for posting that, it's nice to see the boy really get asked questions for once
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
Wow, thanks for that link! Whoof!
If you check the floor next to Schock's chair, the small round object is Shock's asshole which Rachel neatly sliced out. It was almost like shooting fish in a barrel for her.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
...died with Tim Russert.
died in late 1947, it was always a propaganda show
And did you notice how David Gregory was quickly trying to cut Rachel off from correcting Rep.Schock?! After all, heaven forbid someone actually inject some intellectual honesty into the conversation - much easier just to let the Republicans recite their talking points and leave them unchallenged. Russert was far from perfect, but Gregory as host of MTP has left this program unwatchable for me.
"Terd"? I love that word, in the context of your post. For some reason, it just set me off to laughing my face off. Thanks for that.
...if you laugh your face off today, you'll have to laugh your ass off tomorrow ... and then what will you have left?
Gregory asked the right question at first, about repub attacks helping al-Qaeda, but failed to follow up and gave up the argument to Schock. After 9/11 congress including dems rallied around Bush, who was at the time a lame-duck for certain. Think it ever crossed the mind of an al-Qaeda leader that if they can pull off another big one, that total chaos and anarchy will be the result. Don't expect repubs to rally around Obama if another 9/11 is pulled off. They won't stop trying to destroy his presidency at any cost, and I wouldn't be surprised at any manuever they might try at that point. They really love their country all right.
REP. SCHOCK: But at the end of the day, we're representing mainstream America and the majority of views.
No, sonny, if you really represented mainstream America and the majority of views, you would have won the last two elections.
This has been the leading GOP talking point now for months, and it is bullshit. They must be called on it.
When cut him off, and continued to talk, is what needs to happen. Repugs always want their time,and then yours as well, and many Dems. just backoff and kiss their asses. Not Rachel, love her dirty drawls.
Great going Rachel. Now you are going to make me find that entire segment and sit thru the entire thing, which might make me ill. Seeing someone like Aaron come onto these shows is watching the guy with the knife at the gunfight. Being argumentative by turning the propaganda you spew the least bit personal by commenting on someone elses entirely rational viewpoint only makes your beatdown that much more deserved.
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
What I liked was the way Rachel did not attack Aaron Schock's lies with an axe, but surgically sliced him to ribbons. Nicely done!
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
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