Peggy Noonan: The "Young Man" is Boorish
By Heather Monday Sep 21, 2009 11:00am
Peggy Noonan with a double dose of her typical snobbery on This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Noonan first calls the President "boorish" for doing his "Full Ginsburg" on the Sunday shows and for all the town hall meetings he's had. Then she goes on to excuse the racism at the tea bag parties and town hall protests.
Stephanopoulos: Peggy one of the arguments the White House makes is they're dealing with a very different media environment than any other President in the past has ever had to deal with. There's such a fracture in media environment that even someone like Ronald Reagan, who you worked for would have to do more of what you're seeing the President do in this environment.
Noonan: Oh I don't know. I think the President is doing what he's doing now, being all over today and the past few weeks--he's doing it because... he can, because people do what they know how to do.
Stephanopoulos: Because no one is going to turn him down.
Noonan: This is his way. Because everybody will say yes. I don't think it's about the media environment but I do think the media environment allows a modern leader to be something subtly damaging and that is boorish. They get their face in your face every day all the time. It's boorish and it makes people not lean towards you, but lean away from you, no matter what the merits of the issue and the merits of this issue are not such great merits.
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You know what I think. When I look at this I step back a little bit and I think there is a lot of anger now. Mrs. Pelosi had a point. Things get high. It's always good to cool things down, but essentially what we have here is a very new president. He's only been here for ten months. He is a young man. He didn't have deep, long, profound experience. He is attempting right now to change, what it is, seventeen, eighteen percent of the GNP of the United States of America, changing how it works, health care.
This is problematic on the face of it. People will argue about that, but on top of that people are thinking about, in America the economy, unemployment, war and peace, two wars that are going. This president who is new and young comes along and says "Oh, that's not the issue. The issue is health care". It seems not like a program but a non sequitur and it angers people.
Inland at DailyKOS reminds of us what the definition of a boor is and tries to figure out what Noonan may have been implying by using the term.
boor definition boor (bo̵or)
noun
- Archaic a peasant or farm worker
- a rude, awkward, or ill-mannered person
Inland also points to this post at Firedoglake by Blue Texan with more of Noonan's hackery on the town hall protesters. Peggy Noonan: Health Care Protests Haven’t “Gotten Out of Hand”, Just “Plenty of Booing”:
Nooners surveys the mob scenes, the hangings in effigy, the assaults, the unhinged rhetoric -- and blames it all on Obama.
All of this is unnecessarily and unhelpfully divisive and provocative. They [the White House and Democrats] are mocking and menacing concerned citizens. This only makes a hot situation hotter. Is this what the president wants? It couldn’t be. But then in an odd way he sometimes seems not to have fully absorbed the awesome stature of his office. You really, if you’re president, can’t call an individual American stupid, if for no other reason than that you’re too big. You cannot allow your allies to call people protesting a health-care plan “extremists” and “right wing,” or bought, or Nazi-like, either. They’re citizens. They’re concerned. They deserve respect.
Shorter Noonan: if the Democrats would stop dressing like slutty socialists, they wouldn't get raped.
h/t to Bob Cesca who also noted..
Adding... Peggy Noonan was at the top of her passive aggressive condescending game. Bravo. Referring to the president as "boorish" in her trademark insufferable hushed tone doesn't make her "graceful" or "civil" -- it just makes her look ridiculous, since she clearly doesn't know what "boorish" means.
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Oink, oink to you too Peggy.
Oh, the Reslug, racist whores, are constantly showing their lack of education and proving the ignorance of the dying, Reslug minority party over and over.
she's a racist b_tch
*wink* *wink* *hint* *hint*
We can play this all day long Mrs. No-man. I know she thought she was being clever and was geting away with a "stealth uppity" reference, but the only thing uppity in this fray is Mrs. Noonan's constant face lifts...
Right!
Boor = Peasant
New + Young + Man = Boy
Some might even say she was boorish.
I thought Peggy was especially boorish when she was sitting there with her head being held up by her hand, as if it was a chore trying to pay attention.
She was in full barfly mode.
Have another martini Peggy.
Hey! We aren't going to waste a perfectly good martini on the likes of Peggy. Give her another cheap beer and let her go back to sleep.
A liddle tipshee, there, Peggy? She looks like she started her favorite forearm exercise early that morning, if ya know what i mean...
... although I suspect she is more of a "mint julep" kind of gal.
Are you kidding me, she most likely does bourbon shooters for breakfast.
in the morning. So I assumed she would go for the refreshing factor when getting her alcoholic fix first thing in the morning. Bourbon seems to be more of an evening drink, by the porch... when discussing proper whip flogging techniques.
Funny, my wife and I were discussing this yesterday morning and were could not come to a conclusion whether she drank three or four Mimosas before the show.
It's difficult to tell exactly how much someone is drinking when they are chugging.
Peggy Noonan is boorish.
But I know that dab of hair on chin ain't a beard.
and were intellectually honest about it, you would admit that it easily applies to teabagger assholes at the town meetings.
And while you're at it, why don't you come out and call our President "boy," you racist %($R^R%$^R$&^! At least be honest about your filthy racism!
It means the same as jackanape.
Now here's a jackanape fer ye:
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If it was Reagan, she would applaud his genius and comment on how the great communicator was using the bully pulpit wisely. Peggy is just a jerk.
Peggy was the hidden power beneath the bully pulpit. Stimulating the great Reagan until his turgid power exploded in a wave of red, white and blue glory.
After all, she's been around a really R E A L L Y long time and has slept with plenty of people in high places in order to advance her career. So who are we to question?
A nooner with noonun?
Dear Ms. Noonan,
You wrote speeches for Ronald Reagan. What in your experience makes you think that I give a rat's ass about your opinion on anything? Oh, and next time you want to call the President a name, might you chose one that makes fu*king sense. That is of course unless you think this president a lesser human being than yourself. If you do pull out the old dictionary, look up the word egocentric and look into the mirror.
On her webpage, Noonan does not say she was a speech-writer for St. Ronnie. She says that she was a "special assistant" to Reagan, and a speech-writer for Bush I.
If you go to Wiki, its a different story.
Interesting blurb from Wiki:
And her return to WSJ was heralded by her snarky article bashing the new Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama.
is pushing 60 years of age, yet still employs the head-tilt and flutter of the eyelashes as if she's still and ingenue. Watching her gush over Reagan is one of the more nauseating of cable news 'treats.'
Having to endure her talking about a president and transitional moment in all of history of which she has no comprehension means having to shell out more money on barf bags. In an economy like this, we shouldn't have to put that the expense.
You all expect people who think communism equates to fascism to be able to correctly define archaic terms?
Maybe redefining English is part of 'taking their country back'.
Peggy is used to the George Will type persona. Bow ties, no blue jeans ever, cocktails in the afternoon, aperitifs in the evening and a pleasant snifter of brandy later. Obama is in her mind, a poseur who has elbowed his way into office and now calls the shots without having been a member of the correct set. What is the elitist crowd to do when confronted by this rabble from Chicago? I know, another gin and tonic should help to soothe Peggy's pain.
Well done!!
I was thinking... Peggy you old ho! STFU before you remove all doubt about just what a biotch you really are!
Thanks for your kind words. I've developed a strong dislike for George Will, Peggy Noonan and other Washington sycophants.
That this is all part of the republican plan. The bankrupting of the government with unnecessary wars to empty the coffers of the American people so they can be more easily enslaved. They don't want the masses to have anything that doesn't trickle down like piss from them!
It is a shame that the people that vote to put these wannabe gods place are to willfully ignorant to know or even care. They believe therefore they are. and nothing you can say or do will change their minds.
There is only one conclusion that can be drawn from the present day republican situation. republicanism is a mental illness!
No way around it!
The coffers do not go empty. The money shifts hands.
All I want to know is if Peggy Noodlebrain is still fucking Reagan's corpse.
I doubt it. But, I'm sure the plaster cast comes in handy on slow weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWU7FxQIsoM
Ummm...48 is old enough to be a grandpa.
And he has an excuse to put his face on camera
He's President of the United States
He has to reclaim lost time on the health issue due to the August vacation, and the tea-baggers you won't condemn.
And we see your face every weekend on the pundit shows
What have you done?
towards the big 30.
That's why it's so insulting for her talk that way.... Ugh...
Mrs. Noonan was around when Jesus was wearing shorts. So anyone whose age is to the south of Methuselah's is a "youngin" from her perspective.
said? ;)
is her way of dismissing him... he knows nothing in her booze-addled mind. My guess is anyone who doesn't agree with her, has something wrong somewhere. She's a sad old woman...
She's her own biggest fan.
Forty-eight is young for the following:
Medicare
Retirement
The Early-Bird special
Death
Wearing elasticated pants
AARP discounts
Blue hair (not the cool punky, type.)
President Obama is middle aged. He looks great, is sexy and all of that, but if I brought him home when I was 20, my dad would've shit kittens.
Same here, but if my dad had only "shit kittens" I would have been happy.
all acknowledge the damage done by the bush admin. why even give them the time of day?
That is one I can agree with. Whole heartedly!
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=...
"Adjective
S: (adj) boorish, loutish, neanderthal, neandertal, oafish, swinish (ill-mannered and coarse and contemptible in behavior or appearance)"
If, and this is a big IF, Peggy knew what she was talking about, this is what she was calling our President. Just sickening.
And if she has no idea what she's talking about, then I guess it's because she dare not be seen with that evil liberal invention the f**king dictionary! *facepalm*
No, reports are that he was a rapist.
I guess it's worse to be boorish in her warped reality.
MAYBE, if we get lucky, Nooners and Beck can end up sharing the same padded cell at Leavenworth!!! What a winning idea....hhummmm...
To quote Nooners, 'You really, if you’re president, can’t call an individual American stupid'..OK, I'm not the president so I can call YOU stupid Nooners!! And you are...end..
I pity her poor kids. She musta fucked their heads up good.
Boorish means ill-mannered, uncouth.
Now think of President Obama, he rarely seems to get upset at anything
Now think of her.
Her comment itself was boorish, and reminiscent of the old veranda and mint julip days.
I thought they were convinced he was Kenyan!
Stupid republicans!! Can't even get their misinformatin right! PAH!
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WARboer.htm
The old lady is whorish.
What is it about republican speech writers that makes them ,and the media outlets that give them so much air time, think their personal thoughts are of any value to us? Certainly Peggy you must realize that what you wrote once was valued because of the person that paid you to write for them. Yet you show no shame in embarrassing yourself on so many occations. get over yourself woman!
Hurt. I cannot watch or listen to her. I am unsure why she is on all of these shows. Can they not find real humans to go on the network news shows?
If she ever had any credibility it left the station long ago.
"Oh I don't know. I think the President is doing what he's doing now, being all over today and the past few weeks--he's doing it because... he can, because people do what they know how to do."
Does this gibberish reflect
a) competent journalistic skills
b) new age vapidity
c) Republican obfuscation
d) talking points
e) a subtle racial slur
f) airhead musings of no consequence?
God i hate " My shit dont stink !" bitches like her. Send a company of these right wing harpies all PMS ing to Afghanistan. Be over before you know it.
I doubt Peggy can recall her days of PMS. Those times are far behind her.
Whoooa! Meeee...owww, POP!!
Well, it's true. Unless she is some kind of female super chick or something. She's in her late fifties so I guessing even hot flashes are a thing of the past.
Oh, and can I get a bowl of milk if it's not too much trouble. My throat is parched, darlin'.
Of course you can! No trouble at all. I don't want to get clawed!!
You're a smart cookie! :)
I knew i was on thin paper there..LOL Wasnt generalizing... Between Peggy and Lizzie Dole and Lynn Vader. OUCH.
And a dishonorable mention to Bay Buchandunce...LOL
There's a bunch of them. Angry old dried up women who resent the fact that what they say isn't worth a hill of beans.
Watch when she talks about ronnie. She closes her eyes and has little silent orgasms in his memory. Our President has more class in his back pocket than Peggy will ever have in her life time.
I was trying to figure out what she considered "boorish" about a President making regular public addresses, when I read the post. I think it's correct-- Noonan just thinks "boorish" means "kind of boring".
Typical know-nothing right-wing fool. The ones near the top are just as dumb as the ones on bottom. They just have nicer cars.
and more teeth.
Ooh yeah.
boorish: uncouth in manners or appearance. boorish implies rudeness of manner due to insensitiveness to others' feelings and unwillingness to be agreeable . churlish suggests surliness, unresponsiveness, and ungraciousness . loutish implies bodily awkwardness together with stupidity . clownish suggests ill-bred awkwardness, ignorance or stupidity, ungainliness, and often a propensity for absurd antics .
what planet has Peggy been living on?
I'm guessing planet bourbon or as Peggy likes to say, planet Boorbon.
Words change their definitions over even a single person's lifetime. Check out the etymology of the word 'boor':
13c., from O.Fr. bovier "herdsman," from L. bovis, gen. of bos "cow, ox." Later re-borrowed (1581) from Du. boer, from M.Du. gheboer "fellow dweller," from P.Gmc. base *bu- "dwell" (cf. second element of neighbor). Original meaning was "peasant farmer" (cf. Ger. Bauer, Du. boer, Dan. bonde), and in Eng. it was at first applied to agricultural laborers in or from other lands, as opposed to the native yeoman; negative connotation first attested 1562 (in boorish), from notion of clownish rustics. Boorishness is attested from 1794.
It would appear that Peggy is using elite speak to call out Obama for not being born with that silver spoon in his mouth. In her mind, Obama should be working her plantation, no doubt.
real revealing choice of words there peggy
Peggy Noonan is drunk on a Sunday morning. It's depressing to watch an old lady drink herself to death like this.
Climb back into your bottle Peggy! You drunken, stupid, pretentious bitch! She's clearly a Republican. No real grasp of words or what they mean. Her party of Klansmen and women are going to finish you off! She should ask herself why these loons are attracted to her party and not ours? Birds of a feather?
Translation: "That ****** is too uppity."
Exactly what I was hearing.
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I think Nooner is right - Obama randomly picked health care as an issue to highlight just as some other president might have chosen "death taxes" as a distraction from the real problems of the day.
You really must see a doctor and get him to remove that log you have in your ass. Darlin', you would feel sooo much better. I wonder if she tries to be a stuck-up bitch, or she just comes by it naturally? The last time I looked up the word boorish, a picture of Dick Cheney and George Bush accompanied the definition.
Isn't she lucky - they're willing to haul her useless ass out any old time to throw baseless shit around at Obama or the nearest democrat. Is she a charity case or something? They all feel sorry for her?
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Noonan is wrong if she herself believes that the need for health care reform is not interconnected with other current concerns/issues. do others believe it's a seperate less important issue than the economy,unemployment and war(s) there are many who do. all of these issues have elements of interconnectedness. in addition to that, health care cost will only become a bigger crisis if nothing is done. if nothing is done it will have a negative effect on the economy and unemployment. some people/demographics want simplistic DRAMA to be able to be reactionary instead of what some may be considered "boorish". the bottomline is that for some Obama will be wrong no matter what he does. if he goes on the t.v. media twice a month....it's wrong and not enough. if more often it's too much.
Could she possibly be any more smarmy, condescending, or smug? She acts like she's come down from her exalted seat amongst the political gods to bless the rest of the grimy proletariat with her oh-so-special brand of wisdom. God, that whispery, "serious" tone of voice.
Thanks for setting us straight, Dame Peggy. Insufferable twit.
What do you call a person who is rude,awkward or ill-mannered who calls the President a "boor" for being concerned about the health care in his country? Oh my! I believe you would call that person herself a boor.
Noonan is an oaf.
We go through eight years of Bush, and she pulls "Boor" out of her Funk & Wagnall's to describe Obama?
How about looking at every member of the right-wing echo chamber . . .
Who's boorish? Who cares?
The latest on the Bush-Cheney Torure Program -
The CIA's harsh interrogation program likely damaged the brain and memory functions of terrorist suspects, diminishing their physical ability to provide the detailed information the spy agency sought, according to a new scientific paper.
Oh Peggy, just call him uppity like you really want to.
... "Boorish young man" is simply the synonym sentence (word for word even) of "uppity boy."
I seriously think in her old alcohol riddled mind, she though she was getting away with plausibly deny that she just insulted the president. I wonder how many mint juleps she had had just before going on air.
Looking at Noonan's resume, she really does not have much to stand on. Some two bit college, some minor experience at working in the Reagan Whitehouse and a bunch of no-name books. No real world experience. No real major accomplishments. How does she gets so much airtime and such a prominent job as a WSJ writer?
She really has no particularly expertise or accomplishment. Where does she get-off calling anyone "boorish". What has she done with her life? Zero.
All she does is throw mud. She is a professional shit thrower.... a job that is not particularly high up on the respectable career and life achievement list. She is just an older and dumber version of Ann Coulter.
Do you really want to know how she gets off?
"How does she gets so much airtime and such a prominent job as a WSJ writer"
The Wall Street Journal is an English-language international daily newspaper published by Dow Jones & Company, a division of News Corporation
If she's still a Repigliscum she is hopeless. If she's still a Repuglizan that's all you need to know. you can't help them while they remain scum.
I remember during Reagan's presidency...
I remember all the protest signs with Ronald reagan with the Hitler mustache.
I remember all the SS signs.
I remember all the people calling Reagan a Nazi.
And of course, let's not forget the pictures of Reagan as a witch doctor...those were hilarious!
"...he's doing this because he can..."
I remember all the signs and all the media coverage about how Reagan was a "fascist", a "communist", a "socialist"....the list of "ists" goes on and on...
Geez.
Here's another quote: "...stupid is as stupid does."
I think that about covers it.
funny, i don't recall... i do remember Cheney had already gone to the dark side, even way back then. I don't think Cheney and the gang told Regan about much.
That Iran Contra stuff that they pretty much got a way with, except for a few that went to prison. One of the convicted felons is now working for FOX Theatre. Regan was able to claim ignorance - i guess that is a valid excuse for Republican presidents because Regan never went prison.
most of his time in office. Half of the time the old fool did not seem to even know where the f*ck he was, that whole Bozo goes to Bitburg incident comes to mind.
What I find despicable is how convicted Watergate and Iran-Contra felons have been employed for a while as talking heads. And I am yet to see anyone discussing with them pointing that out. Any discussion with a convicted felon is moot, because they have ZERO credibility and they should be treated as such. You just can't use baby gloves when going against a porcupine.
that she couldn't criticize or Republican behavior that she couldn't excuse. Next.
Isn't it Congress who is writing the bills for Obama to consider signing into law?? Are these senators/representatives "young" too?
Is that the same as calling him "boy?"
Boorishness is also an old insult for someone trying to live outside the station he was assigned by life.
Unlike George Busch who was trying to live inside the station he was assigned by life.
But he couldn't do it. Busch was an oaf.
So, it is either Peggy or Cokie on ABC Sunday. I suppose this was Cokie's week to go to Myrtle Beach.
Do they all drink tea, in bone china cups on this show? Just look at all that rouge and makeup! That's beneath a real lady, peggy.
I wonder what word Peggy would use to describe Sarah Palin? If the President is "boorish" then that would make Sarah________
"Whoooore-ish!"
do they keep having this old bag ON?
OK, i agree 100% and i realize that was a retorical question but i can't help myself. I have to answer:
They do it to generate conflict to keep someone watching, and to further the corporato-fascist agenda. It's not entirely their fault of coarse. The Republicans share the blame with TV politicians like Noonan./p>
Did you notice how it was the FOX producers out there cheering on the teabaggers! They, and the repukelicans have a money machine by the tail.
$$$
with the Republicans labeling Obama with everything he most assuredly is not. Would any rational person believe that Obama is rude or uncultured anymore than he is a racist socialist Nazi? Of course not.It does begs the question why certain media outlets so highly value the uninformed opinion of The Beav's mom.
The MSM thinks president Obama is getting over exposed? The MSM is just looking out for themselves. They just don't want 'news' to become routine again. Well screw the MSM. The President needs an informed electorate. If he has something to say every day so be it!
The MSM needs to regain it's integrity if it can. Even when there is a national emergency of some kind, the news must maintain it's integrity.
boor [br]
n
1) ill-mannered person: somebody who behaves in a crass, insensitive, or ill-mannered way
2) An arugula and dijon eating elitist president that encourages schoolchildren to work hard
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Against us elites and overlords. Obama is the leader of the great unwashed. Ewww---I can't stand them! Can't they just eat cake and be satisfied?
God, what an condescending asshole she is. And Peggy, people like you and your teabag nutjobs deserve nothing but contempt for trashing our political discourse. You want more civility? Try cleaning up your own act.
Funny how boor rhymes with whore.
... American aristocrat might say. An American aristocrat in a Xanex fog.
These Noonan aristocrats sit way up there upon the shoulders of the middle class. In a city in the clouds. Isolated. Ignorant. It's like watching a "way-back" machine.
Of the Twilight Zone where the characters spend their entire existence in a pencil jar.
Ever more confused and frightened...
"..where the characters spend their entire existence in a pencil jar."
great episode as I seem to recall.
"People will argue about that, but on top of that people are thinking about, in America the economy, unemployment, war and peace, two wars that are going. This president who is new and young comes along and says "Oh, that's not the issue. The issue is health care".
"Comes along"? Piggers?
You know,I could have absolutely sworn that President Obama had made it quite clear from the very beginning that he intended to do something about Health Care.
Maybe if you hadn't had your uptight Miss Jane Hathaway skull jammed quite so far up your tight White Country Club asshole,you would have known this basic fact.You obnoxious clot of Goat jizz.
That is what I wonder about most of these elitists assholes.
Heeere they go again! Calling the other side what they themselves are.
What makes Noonan think SHE is not boorish? SHE has been in our faces, booring our TV senses for decades now. At least 4 that I can count.
So how OLD is the witch anyway?
Hey what did any Witches do to you?
I didn't realize newts could type.
Why do I keep expecting a long thin tongue to snake and snag a fly?
that's like an insult to medieval weaponry or something! :P
It's ok folks, just say "b**ch" instead and get it over with! ;)
Beach?
Personally I don't want to imagine her in a thong.
*sniffle*
If I were to add another asterick (sp!) to that word, it could stand for the brain bleach I'd need after this visual! :P
Asterisk
http://www.understandfrance.org/Images/Asteri...
It's been a long day. *sigh*
Please join the rest of us in the 21st Century. Thank you. Moron.
Pundits are the rich orphans of the media business. Some are former reporters, some are former political operatives, and some are just propagandists in the Limbaugh mold. Among them, transmitters are common, many of them picking up far-right memes because of their outrageousness quotient: the best way to make your reputation, as a pundit is to say something that makes headlines. No publicity is bad publicity, as they say. And the demand for pushing that "cutting edge" farther rightward becomes insatiable.
Pundit-transmitters range from one-time liberals, like Christopher Hitchens, to barely concealed extremists, like David Horowitz and Michael Savage. In between, it was commonplace to hear the late Barbara Olson repeat a Patriot legend, or for Peggy Noonan to indulge in plainly irresponsible speculations about Muslims, often straight out of the nativist handbook. The most notorious of them, probably, is Ann Coulter.
The effect of all these voices is rarely direct or acute but rather cumulative. The effect on audiences of hearing this ever-more outrageous hatefulness repeated endlessly and in the guise of mainstream speech can be lasting and profound. But who, exactly, are the audience, who are the receivers of these transmissions?--David Neiwert (chap. 3 p. 81)
The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right
"The young man" also has a 53% job approval rating in the Gallup Poll. And he's coming very close to matching or beating Noonan cum supplier, Ronald Reagan's record in his first year in office.
how does she define frat-boy Bush?
Barack did his media blitz to push health reform.
The Bush administration did their media blitz in October 2002 to deceive the country into war with phony yellowcake and imaginary mushroom clouds.
As I recall, this devious hag had no problem with that.
Old stupid skank. Making it on the seniors circuit for has-been rightwing barking yaks!
Oh Peggy Noonan, you little trollop! Was that you I saw with a shovel, unearthing the Ray-gun's moldering corpse for a nostalgic midnight waltz?
I doubt Nancy would approve, but it's the worst-kept secret in a town where tea and crumpets are served with every voodoo doll.
Someday soon, Peggy, you'll join your soul mate Dutch on that shining city on a hill, where star-dazzled little girls can have the daddy figure of their dreams, and he can do unforgettable things to your unmentionables, and you can bear the satanic voodoo Chucky doll that will wreak bloody revenge on all your high school enemies.
Oh, happy!
Lemme translate no class white honky woman Republican WASP-speak for you:
"The young man is boorish" = "That boy is uppity. Oh, my I'm getting the vapors...those PEOPLE have stolen our country."
'Bout fucking time.
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