Peggy Noonan Thinks Republicans Just Need to Go to Confession a Lot
By Heather Monday Jun 29, 2009 11:00am
Listening to Republicans Peggy Noonan and Kathleen Parker on the panel of This Week practically swooning over Mark Sanford's emails to his mistress and excusing his behavior was truly a sight to behold. They both looked downright giddy this morning while dismissing his actions because he was in love.
Paul Krugman and Michael Eric Dyson do their best to try to point out that the trouble is not so much the cheating since it is human nature which is not reserved for one party, but the hypocrisy of the Republicans being the party of family values and people like Mark Sanford's words coming back to bite him. Of course Noonan and Parker were having none of that.
Noonan: Ooohh...I never think that when politicians, Democrats and Republicans get in these stories, that the story itself, the sin itself if you will, undermines what the politician stands for necessarily. Mark Sanford's Libertarian/traditional views are right or wrong on their own. Um..I must say I've been thinking about Clinton a lot and it seems to me that in the Clinton era, during that famous story, a new devilishness was unleashed, especially in the media where a new meanness took style.
And I feel like in every one of the scandals of the past few months, and we've had so many of them, the political sex scandals, the level of meanness of the response, publicly, and on cable and the newspapers, gets meaner each time. It seems to me that we are coming, we are reacting as almost as a nation, but certainly in the media as kind of Puritans without faith, which is the worst of both worlds. To be Puritanical and not even have faith.
I'm sorry Peggy, but the treatment any of the Republicans of late have gotten in the press pales in comparison to what the media did to Bill Clinton. And the media are not the ones being Puritans. The Republicans are the ones who have held themselves out there as the party of virtue and family values. The press didn't invent that.
When asked if hypocrisy is the problem for Mark Sanford, Parker replies:
Parker: I don't think hypocrisy is the big issue for Mark Sanford. I think Mark Sanford's weirdness is the big issue. He's just acting rather strangely and I attribute this, I've taken the romantic view...I think he's..he's truly in love. You know if you read those emails, and I think it's appalling that they were posted, but since they were there, we went and read them, didn't we? And you know what was so clear is that this is not a bad man. This is not somebody who's using women and casually discarding them. He's not emailing interns and hanging out in bathroom stalls. You know he actually fell head over heals, blindingly, crazy in love and I don't know if you all remember that feeling. I have a vague notion of it. But I think I remember that you think you're invisible. (laughter) No one else can see you and you don't care.
Well that's all very sweet Kathleen, and so nice to see you get a shot in at Bill Clinton there, but Mark Sanford isn't in high school any more. He's a grown man and the Governor of a state, and I don't think it's asking too much not to have him go running off to another country where no one knows where he's at, pretending he's "invisible". Wow.
Of course Noonan doesn't think that Republican hypocrites who have strayed should change their ideologies or their rhetoric. They should just follow the example of European Catholics, and try to govern well, and go to confession a lot. Well that might be nice Peggy if they also cared about governing well, as well, but they don't.
And Parker says that the "person who most wants to be good is also going to be the one who falls the hardest". So the poor Republicans are going to look worse when they fall. I'm sorry Kathleen, but wearing your Religion on your sleeve to win votes when you don't believe your religious doctrine should apply to yourself, is worse.
All the confession in the world that Peggy Noonan prescribes isn't going to change that.
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they have nothing so they try to pull out this desperate tack that it's mean to call right wing religionistas on their hypocrisy.
some are even saying that their failure to live up to their ideals makes them *better* than the godless DFHs and amoral dems who don't even have the guts to proclaim a credo they know they won't be able to live up to.
you see, real courage and moral leadership comes from haranguing others for the certain actions even though you know you are guilty of the same actions you are condemning them for.
it's a wingnut thing -- you wouldn't understand...
when in doubt, bring up chapaquidick and barney frank
These people are out of their minds. Peggy Noonan? For real? Wasn't she part of the Lee Atwater administration? Is she stupid? Where was she when they were out of their minds over Clinton? Those words made me choke on my coffee.
When the Republicans say this crap do they think that people do not remember? When Clinton got his blow-job it was almost then of western civilization. The scandal, the scandal. Lindsey Graham was just as bad defending his friend.
And it is totally about the hypocrisy. Who cares about adultery? It happens all the time. Sanford is a major league hypocrite. And Peggy those same media jokers were saying the same thing about Clinton and you and your ilk empowered them. You come off looking like a complete asshole Peggy. YOu too Kathleen.
Agree!
snicker about the sinner!
The party of do as I say not as I do!
republicanism is a mental illness!
if they should go to confessional, then
we would never see any of them.....
jesus says, don't be a f#cking hypocrite.
yes it's in there somewhere just like all
the other things the reichwinggop has
rewritten into their bible.
Matthew 6:1.
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven."
God loves hurting his followers. I took a look inside "The Book" last week for the first time in 30 years. In the first 10 pages he drowns 99.9999999999% of all living creatures including children, seniors, baby kitty cats, baby horsies, everything.
So it is consistent for a God of "Love" that is so violent to be worshiped by adulterers who are against adultery!
his infidelity, or his lack of interest (apparently) in four growing sons. I think the real question is his dereliction of duty as Governor. He can't just disappear without notice to anyone. Period. That's the real problem with him chasing his "heart" down to Argentina.
His wife, whose family has probably been bankrolling his political career from its start, looks like a woman who is smart and capable. I am sure that little talk he mentioned with his father in law five months ago was probably a reminder of his ingratitude. He owed more to his family, but we the public can only hold him accountable for his poor service to his state.
That is the point. He is a cheat and a liar. Isn't that enough? Maybe his god will forgive him, but the rest of us probably will not.
Well Said
But who do the priests confess to
The nuns?
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_app...
spanking by a ruler wielded by a sista with little crucifix tan lines all over her chest.
they ain't getting nun
When you think about it, they got it made. They get a hard on preaching family values. They get a hard on violating family values by having sex, and then they get a hard on repenting and crying in public. Pretty good life.
reality show. Ever since the "Dukes of Haggard" my tele tastebuds have been crying out for more. Gene Simmons is getting old.
peggy, you slag
the problem with the gov isnt that he is a hypocritical shite
its that on the taxpayer dime, he dissapeared from his job for 5 days
in the real world, that gets you fired and tossed in jail
repukes got into power by spewing their moral superiority
well, now the rest of the country is finally learning what we libs already knew
they are neither moral, nor superior
take a look at the presidential hopefuls
not one a truly upstanding citizen
Ron Jeremy for President 2012!!!
He used the "N" word in Boondock Saints...and he looked like he enjoyed it a bit TOO much if ya know what I'm saying...
He could be Veep though.
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his pole numbers would beat everyone elses by a long shot
Thank you Meester Rimshot!
I thought most republicans were Baptists.
they just ran in '08?
Noonan always talks like she's reading a story book to 3 year olds.
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x
Don't give them any ideas!
Gosh, by golly, gee...
Sure, he's in love, and the violins start playing softly in the background....
Yeah, but he's in love with someone who's NOT HIS WIFE, and he ditched his f-ing job for days you morons.
Why anyone puts this Noonan buffoon on TV is beyond explanation.
she's at a slumber party with 3 year olds.
she really means go to a "peep show".
Hey, don't knock confession. You walk into a private booth with soft lighting and a comfortable place to kneel, everything's confidential, your secrets are safe -
If you shut the little window, it's a great place to meet chicks.
confession...
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I just wanted to sketch out the whole scenario.
Dang, I went and got myself all excited.
:o)
Niiiiiice!
Noonan and Parker with their disgusting school girl crushes(from used up old lady perspectives) trying to rationalize this weak, derelict asshole Sanford's failure was pathetic.
BTW, Noonan has positively the worst, most annoying, whinny voice next to Palin I've ever heard.
...than anything Clinton did. Bill Clinton at least was able to conduct his dalliances around his work schedule, and not fly off unannounced to Argentina. Honestly, I think Sanford's just not all there.
And Noonan's thing about the media becoming meaner because of Clinton -- nice. It's all his fault, of course, that people are mean to Sanford and Ensign. Why can't they just forget how those two voted on the impeachment? That would be less mean of them.
n/c
Hell, Clinton didn't even leave his office or get up from his desk. I have to giggle a little thinking about him working away with his dick in Monica's mouth.
with her under his desk.
Come on already
need to be adjusted.
you mean with a nine pound hammer?
It's been one week since my last fascination with a Republican sex scandal. How many Hail Mary's and Our Father's will it take until I can feel bad about having meat on Friday again?
Ms Parker doesn't seem to understand that being deeply in love is really not an excuse for not being responsible to your job. Maybe in high shcool missing a class because you are deeply in love might cut it somewhere, but this is adult grown-up world.
I think Sanford's performance as Governor of South Carolina is a lot less reprehensible than his predecessor who fired on Ft. Sumter.
Did anyone get hurt?
to avoid the Yo Mama jokes with the demeaning tan lines.
Well hopefully everyone learned something from the experience. A stitch in time probably saved at least nine.
women are viewed by some as the weaker sex. Idiots.
Imagine what george bush did for the reputation of men.
LOL
I held the bow, pulled back the string and that little arrow just zinged right out there. :)
to take aim?
I resemble that remark!
Peggy... confession... like she knows anything about that or for that matter Anything. What a knoddlehead she is!
Perez Hilton
The GOP used morals to slay democrats now that the same standards are applied to GOP politicians it is too tough and unfair.
Didn't Peggy Noonan write speeches for that other GOP adultering fake, Ronald Reagan?
at Bedtime when Bonzo needed him.
I'm sorry Peggy, but the treatment any of the Republicans of late have gotten in the press pales in comparison to what the media did to Bill Clinton.
If by 'media' you mean the Wall Street Journal op/ed page, then yes. But mainstream media went easy on Bill, while some mainstream outlets trashed Lewinsky.
The amount of coverage Bill Clinton got was overwhelming - the top story for over 18 months. But my recollection was that mainstream media was restrained in the insults, mainly because the pundits knew Clinton would not be removed from office. That, plus the fact that the majority of US adults believed that Clinton deserved a censure, not impeachment or removal from office.
Actually we had the Vulcan sam donaldson saying portentiously at the outset, "If true, I doubt he'll (Clinton) last six more months."
And the press went as hard against Clinton as he did the inside of Monica's cheek until he got reelected, and then essentially decided it was a dead story.
was Bush according to a 5-4 vote.
Every time I see or read Peggy Noonan, I want to whack her over the head with my Nerf mallet. Not that it would have any effect, other than wear and tear on the mallet.
Peggy's a professional Catholic moralist who wears her big ol' traditional values on her sleeve, yet is also a divorcee. She whines about 'puritans without faith', but she's a puritan who broke the Catholic sacrament of marriage.
Does that make her merely a goldarn sinner like the rest of us, or a hypocrite? How about both? Either way, I sleep soundly at night knowing that people like Peggy fart, poop and make wee-wee just like the rest of us.
Peggy's a professional Catholic moralist who wears her big ol' traditional values on her sleeve, yet is also a divorcee. She whines about 'puritans without faith', but she's a puritan who broke the Catholic sacrament of marriage.
Now she's just another middle aged GOP female who's lost her looks, and couldn't get David Vitter to sleep with her...even if she promised to bring the diapers.
Hack punditry is all she has left to try and remain viable.
She's morphed into Phyllis Schafly.
would rather be dead than be seen on national television in THAT sweater.
If pPeggy wants to succeed she needs to dress fot it.
http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/content/womens...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLDSlYsje80
Two ignorant, used car looking Conservative women actually trying to justify Sanford's behavior...of course ignoring the pain Sanford inflicted upon his wife and children...Republican family values.
Their two Conservative women towing the company line for all conservative women who lose their men's attention to younger women with more sexual vibrance.
Now they have to come on tv and air their religious values, unlike the old days when they would simply remain quiet and dutifully attend to the children.
wish someone would come along and bang him.
gov. sanford should resign. when he was a representative he went on and on about clinton. well karma has reared it's head. it sounds like he used pulic funds for a trip to argentina. i think that's reason in itself. it seems to me that this drama is overshadowing the ensign drama. the (r) became very nasty followig the clinton yrs. it became a good strategy to get BUSH elected. the anti-clinton propaganda
rallied the evangelicals and other (r)'s who in my opinion feel they have the license to JUDGE others.
Like Vitter and Craig, Sanford will serve as a reminder of the sick contradictory double standards Republicans live by.
but I would much prefer a week in Argentina to fifteen minutes in a men's room stall in St. Paul.
Holy shit, Peggy Noonan Thinks??
She doesn't do it very well though
now that is some kind of pagan ritual where you go in blind box and speak to a gay man, right? Is there a chance we could just put a hole in the floor and arrange a clever trap door? Since the "boxes" are all tapped by the various local and federal agencies with Voice Recognition software, it would be easy to pick the one for the trap door. Since VR is almost completely accurate, wouldn't it be easy to automate?
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/ganymede.html
I heard the Romans accused the Bacchanalian of being gay pederasts, before crushing their cult.
Major difference.
I was going to let that pass.
But you were the only one to draw a simile
Albeit negative.
One term refers to sexual preference and the other to age preference, one conditions the other.
And it is the actual accusation the Romans used.
That would be like saying the Inquisition was about killing off Wiccans (my preference Wiccae).
But they probably never heard of the term during that period and
It's not the language of the accusation.
And it disregards the fact that a large percentage of those persecuted, if not all, were likely Christians themselves.
Peggy Noonan needs an Exocism.
a tanning bed and a weekend in Argentina with Mark Sanford can supply.
...a larynectomy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lJkaEQ46oE&fe...
What comes after "cougar?"
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Doesn't really matter, does it. I think GILF may be appropriate: Grandmother I would like to...never mind.
One of the most dangerous and troubling, not to mention agrivating thing is that the Republicans are unreasonable.
And if they were to become reasonable, they would disband immediately.
"And if they were to become reasonable, they would disband immediately."
Or explode maybe.
This is satans party, remember Ronald666Wilson Reagan. They might go to confession...BUT THEY WILL NEVER CONFESS...THEY WILL BLAME AND CRY AND WHINE. BUT THEY DON'T CONFESS.
God Will Damn Them........B-bye "party of sinners"...ie:Lindsay Graham, the drunk and first in line.
Father Garguichi
their sins. Lack of regret seems to be a part of the pattern. You know how they are, they cherry pick the parts of everything that suits them.
maybe but believe it sends a message that it really doesn't matter if we (r) do this. like dyson said like they have the rights to making mistakes.
2 Parts "IOKIYAR"
2 Parts "Do as I say, not as I do"
4 parts "Family values"
4 parts "Democrats are socilaists"
Mix, chill and serve, screws 400 million.
By and large, if you say what the GOP wants to hear, they don't care what you do. Sanford could do a press conference wearing nothing but a gold lame jock strap whilst walking a peacock on a leash, insisting that from now on he be called "Chiffon." As long as he spent the rest of that press conference railing against tax-and-spend liberals, excoriating godless pro-choicers and questioning Obama's birth certificate, all would be forgiven/overlooked/swept under the rug. They just had Giuliani on Morning Joe discussing sex scandals in politics for pete's sake. RUDY EFFIN' GIULIANI! And they NOT ONCE mentioned HIS indiscretions, or the fact that taxpayer dollars went to support HIS affairs! And the GOP won't give a rat's ass, because he said "the right things" about terrorism after 9/11, and he hasn't shut up about it since. They've learned nothing from the days of Roy Cohn, and they're not gonna learn jack squat now.
All these cheaters should be required to wear their suit jackets, shirts, ties, shoes and socks to work, with nothing else except their underpants. A modern day scarlet letter.
Pull Ups?
Same churlish sour-milk look on their mugs.
So THAT'S what they call that look?
"you want me to put my mouth where?" look.
I think they teach that look at high priced finishing schools.
Ah, now that's comedy.
i wonder what's in peggy noonan's closet besides
an incredibly ugly personal wardrobe selection.
And evidently one that is long enough that it's capable of damaging her brain stem.
Kathleen Parker wrote the stupidest op-ed I have ever read over at the Daily Beast on this subject.
Sanford's two views of himself. It's great.
Peggy artfully juxtaposes "devilishness" with "the Clinton years" -- but the devilment she actually complains about, the self-righteous overreaction and media glare, began with a united front of right-wing talk radio and the House Repubs under Gingrich. White-hot outrage: of course bj's in the White House were impeachable. I mean ... lying about it.* All very prurient and puritanical in the worst American sense. No wonder Peggy wants us to behave like Europeans! (Who could imagine such words from her during the "freedom fries" years?)
* As Sonny Bono's widow said during the hearings: "...and we should never, ever tell a lie!" Like, you never told Santa Claus stories to tots? In retrospect, maybe she was making a sly point about the (non-)investigation of Sonny's death.
Republicans can start with a bracing round of confessions.
I nominate that human sink hole Karl Rove who if he likes,can go ahead and come clean about all his assorted crimes,misdemeanors and various acts of treason.
Also,given the higher standard Republicans heroically choose to live by why are they so lax when it comes to deciding to step down?
Shouldn't believing so strongly in such "high" principles demand an equally unbending self discipline and honorable self sacrifice at the alter of Good Old fashioned Morality?
the blond leading the blond.
Or perhaps the blonde leading the blown.
and I am positive that those two are, what I like to call, "unnatural blondes."
Laughing about the Johns they love.
Oh good grief, spare us!! I thought even KP had more gumption than to say that. Is there any chance Sanford confused hot sex with love? It's happened before. And never mind the wife and kiddos. If it's true love, go for it, and the devil take the hindmost (whatever that means). Hmm, maybe Clinton and Monica had True Love too??
I never thought about it before. Maybe it means to take those running the slowest from him.
Gee, thanks so fucking much for that incredibly informative and dynamic round table discussion. Forgive me for getting meaner however this is not journalism, this isn't even the View, this is just stupid c*nts (all present mind you, not just the obvious two on the left).
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I don't think so.
can you narrow that down? Living or dead?
Every person that ever lived.Ever.
"But baby...it's because I really REALLY believed in being a good person that I cheated. It makes perfect sense that the person who most wants to be good is the person who falls the hardest. It's true because Kathleen Parker said so! Give me another chance baby!"
lessons from the moral majority...
"It has been for some time a question with me, whether a commonwealth
suffers more by hypocritical pretenders to religion or by the openly
profane? ... Some late thoughts of this nature have inclined me to
think that the hypocrite is the most dangerous of the two, especially
if he sustains a post in the government."
[Ben Franklin, 1722]
I do hope this makes bilhelm-x feel better. I might add that this kind of ridicule is what one gets for Sanford's kind of behavior. It is called "opening oneself up to humiliation." Shall we instead pontificate on how wrong his behavior was and still is? We already know that. Time for some fun.
The penance for masturbating is ten rosaries and hacking off your right hand; for torturing prisoners, a Hail Mary and a Glory Be should do it.
Digging out your own eyeballs?
Too Oedipal.
The Puritans escaped religious persecution and, in their own colony, allowed religious freedom for whom?...
Puritans only. Puritans (Congregational Calvinists) only were allowed. Even practicing Puritans were held to strict litmus tests. (The Puritans loved religious freedom so much that they kept it all to themselves.) :-/
See: Roger Williams - Puritan, Separatist, Baptist, Seeker
"Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" ?
Geez.......I don't know what's wrong with you people. He was in love! The whole thing is so romantic I'm almost swooning.
Oh Mark Sanford, if only it was me you fell in love with. We could have run away and lived happily ever after.
Star crossed hypocritcal sinning Republican's are so....so...going to hell.
Head, hands, and feet protruding. And a little hole especially for adulterers.
For their penises?
...I guess all the hand-wringing over "what kind of message" this sends to "our children" only applies when Democrats turn out to be low down, double-dealin', back-stabbin' larcenous perverted worms.
She says Republicans should say, "this is what I stand for, but I'm a jerk (ie, I don't do it myself)".
If you do not practice a thing, you do not stand for that thing. I can't say that I'm surprised to hear Peggy Noonan endorsing dishonest hucksterism.
He is a good man. He just fell in love. He left his family on fathers day, to be a good man with the woman he loves. Than why is he back to his family? Thought he was head over heels in love with Maria? They always have wiggle room.
You can't have it both ways, calling for others to resign in such cases and then staying put when you trip.
Always mixing up everything.
It's OK. Like that piece in The New Yorker awhile back said
in the last paragraph. "If a conservative republican commits
adultery we (The WSJ) will defend them. It's not fair but that's
life." Now that Newt is a good Catholic boy & is making
Peggy proud by going to confession every day out of necessity
the fact that he is a liar for hire everyday will be forgiven.
Can you imagine Peggy and Cokey and Parker rehearsing their
answers to questions they know are going to be asked.
All that naughty laughter about those cute republicans
Sandford and Ensign? Trying to imagine what the
typical Catholic girl in the audience is thinking &
trying to say something provocative but not too girley
& nonsensical.
Peggy: Oh my, Gov. Sanford cheated on his wife!
Kathleen: And he may even be a serial cheater...
Peggy: And he abandoned his post as governor...
Kathleen: And no one knew where to reach him, in case, you know, there was a disaster or something...
Peggy: And he was, like missing, for five days!
Kathleen: And a reporter for the local newspaper caught him sneaking back into the country!
Peggy: But, oh my God, his emails to his mistress in Argentina were so, so romantic!
Kathleen: Oh yes! Now there's a real man!
Peggy: Oh yes, I get wet just reading them!
Kathleen: Oh wow, me too!
Not surprised, Noonan consisently thinks we shouldn't scrutinize and condemn any Republican transgressions, ever.
They are really thrashing about here trying to save their hero.
A man that lies to his wife would clearly never put any bullshit in a letter to his mistress. gag me.
If sex-ed, HPV vaccination, instructions about birth control, etc, etc encourage promiscuity and, according to xians, teenage pregnancy and, hence, abortion,
then it must be true that confession encourages sin.
Thanks, finally, for the confirmation of my supposition.
Sadly for these confessionists, christ never gave permission for humans to absolve sin. This was made up by the catholic church, no doubt encouraged by "donations" from the rich.
As christians, the Grand Old Pharisees, and their holy rolling "christian" base, should know this. But as xians, they don't.
You can't scrape off sin by rubbing beads or donating money to a cult of pedophiles. How much rub-a-dub-dub while chanting Hail Maries, is the cost of breaking Old Testament (The Ten Suggestions) *and* New Testament (Sermon on the Mount. Follow the cheesy link below) rules.
To extend PATRICK's thought, I find it hard to imagine that a thing which breaks one vow (marriage) to god for petty, personal reasons wouldn't break another vow (uphold and defend the Constitution) for personal, petty (or much bigger) rea$on$. This thing has already committed treason toward his wife. Why expect it to stop there?
This thing, and all divorced xians, are, by definition, national security risks.
Full disclosure:
I'm not a christian, nor an xian, but an Agnostic Quantum Deist.
These are breaches against the rules of their mythos and they should suffer the consequences laid out within said mythos.
E Pleb Neesta --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b56e0u0EgQ
GODISNOWHERE
Blessed are the cheese makers. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_hlMK7tCks
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