NOW Liz Cheney Thinks We Should Be Careful About Using Words Like Terrorism
By Heather Friday Jun 12, 2009 8:30am
Liz Cheney appeared on Larry King Live with James Carville and when asked about the tragic shooting at the Holocaust Museum, she suddenly has a problem with calling this type of violence terrorism. Now we need to be "careful" with our words.
And of course Cheney thinks this has nothing to do with our political discourse either. Heaven forbid she'd allow any of the blame for whipping up the crazies in this country to be laid at the feet of her buddies over at Fox News.
Anyone want to take dibs on how different a conversation this would have been had this been a foreign terrorist rather than a right wing, white-supremacist, domestic terrorist?
Carville's response is pretty pathetic and he doesn't even try to call her out for being unwilling to call this act terrorism. Despite that fact there was one improvement in this interview from the norm when pundits are debating Liz Cheney. I think Carville took a page from Joan Walsh's book, and didn't allow Cheney to monopolize the debate later on. You can read the full transcript on CNN's site here for that portion of the show.
KING: Our original topic -- and we will get into it -- was the future of the Republican Party. But one cannot go into any discussion tonight without asking about their reaction to today's fatal shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, of all places, in Washington. An African-American guard is killed. The suspect, an 88-year-old white supremacist.
Liz, what do you say?
CHENEY: Well, I think it was obviously a horrific event, Larry. And I think that, as I understand it, they have apprehended the man who was guilty. We know who he was.
I do think people need to be a little bit careful about using words like terrorism before we know exactly -- you know, clearly, he was psychotic. But we don't really know much yet about whether or not he was representing any sort of an organization. I think we need to be a little bit careful.
But, obviously, it was -- it was a horrific event.
KING: All right, James, is it larger than this or is it just down to the point of a white supremacist kills a black American, in a Jewish museum?
CARVILLE: Right. Well, the first thing is, is he's a criminal. It's a criminal act. We don't -- there's no -- it is not a political act. What he did was a criminal act. So let -- let's call it what it is. If he's 88 or eight or 18, it doesn't matter. He's a criminal.
Of course it has huge significance. I mean 27 million people have visited the Holocaust Museum. It's, you know, probably the most dastardly deed in -- or one of them -- in the history of the world, in that you would have a hate -- somebody -- a criminal come in there with some hate motivation is -- certainly, it's newsworthy and it's significant. And, you know, this kinds of stuff has gone on in the world, it is going on and, in all likelihood, will continue to go on.
KING: Yes.
CARVILLE: But hopefully we'll use this as some kind of a teaching moment.
KING: Liz, is -- does -- is it parallel to some of the political discourse going on in America -- not to murder, of course -- but to what's happened to our politics with screaming talk shows and wild people on the other side and everybody's angry?
CHENEY: No. I mean, I think that we really -- it's very important to be careful here. I mean, I think, you know, in every society -- certainly in our society at every moment in history, we have had people -- criminals, as James puts it -- people who are, you know, crazy, psychotic.
Clearly, this man was a white supremacist, if you look at his writings; an anti-Semite; you know, a really vile human being. Every society has those.
But I really think it's a stretch too far to sort of say that somehow...
KING: All right...
CHENEY: ...can be connected to our political discourse.
KING: OK. Well said.
James, let's get to the topic at hand.
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What a liar.
I guess you will say anything to save your daddy.
republicanism is a mental illness!
she's a terrorist.
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This is a textbook example of the mainstream media manufacturing
opinion and consent in real time.
Orwell would be dismayed.
Agreed.
(All of the above, unless there is a nutty post after 14:52.)
evidentally they are redefining terrorism as something that is performed by individuals of an organization that is seeking to spread terror for their cause.
Rubbish! They must realize that terrorism is the spread of fear, whether by an individual, or on behalf of an organization. I view the mass media as terrorists, not to mention many politicians on the liberal and conservative side of the aisle.
sick enough that cousins of his haven't been in contact with him for 50 years as they knew back then he was psychotic. one old idiot should not have the term "terrorist" expended on him. even with his standard ignorant web page rants he's just a sick old bastard.
let's try to remember that security guard who died. we need to remember his sacrifice.
or Middle Eastern in manner and dress? Don't think for a second that DC wouldn't have been on double secret lock-down. MSM would've suggested terrorism all over the place.
The Holocaust Museum shooting was an act of terror, period!
And it won't ever stop until parties with any participation are held accountable including entertainers who whip up the anti-social tendencies of their audiences.
his familial relations, his state-of-mind have no bearing one his status of a terrorist. his actions, both at the holocaust museum and 10 years ago at the federal reserve, were acts of terrorism. through the use of fear and violence he attempted to coerce and intimidate others.
and, as a sidenote: james carville is always pathetic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/opinion/12k...
Agree wholeheartedly about James Carville. His political insights are highly overrated.
Carville and his equally hard on the eyes wife are simply political whores playing both sides for profit. No matter who's in power these two will be gamefully employed.
Yes and I think Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and BillO should donate some of their megamillions to a scholarship fund for Stephen Johns' son and a fund for the support of his widow since they bear a huge amount of responsibility for this tragedy.
What's in a name?
Sorry Liz, by the definition of 'terrorism' if this guy was a loner but was nonetheless trying to achieve a result beyond his attack by the fear his attack would cause, he's a terrorist. I agree that even by that definition this guy may or may not be a terrorist, but the Dr. Tiller killer definitely was.
He didn't have to belong to any organization, nor did it have to require political reasons.
Well obviously he doesn't have to belong to an org, that was my point, but I think by the definition of terrorism, he did have to have some hope that his act would cause fear that would cause some change that he would favor, no?
seems to capture the hyperarrogance peculiar to the Cheney tribe.
She oozes hubris and entitlement.
Why do the teeveejeebies think that we need to hear from the daughter of a failed and criminal ex-vice-president?
Oh, yeah; they support every failed policy that these oxpeckers advanced.
Cheney and his offspring are on a CYA tour. Simple.
"None are so blind that will not see". How is either the killing of Dr. Tilliers or the Holocaust Museum shootings NOT terrorism. I would have thought the motive behind both shootings were to terrorize what the killers thought as their opponents. And as this happened on American soil, they are domestic terrorists and anyone who can't admit to that is ( a Repuke) delusional.
"clearly, he was psychotic....he was a vile human being."
Is Mini Me talking about the shooter or her father?
Hey!
Ok maybe the wannabe SS guy wasn't a terrorist.
I want to see how Lizard justifies not calling Roeder a terrorist.
he was a terrorist...
a terrorist.
If he left his house thinking something along the lines of "This will show them" ie he was counting on the consequences of his act having repercussions beyond his crime then he's a terrorist.
If he just snapped and said, "Gonna go kills some jews or blacks cause I'm so damn mad" then he's not.
At least thats how I'd break it down by how I understand the definition of a terrorist.
pretty accurate breakdown of the difference...
But given the history this kook has...
I'm leaning strongly in support of the "he's a terrorist" theory
for now.
check out the excerpts from his online book, "Kill the Best Gentiles"
and his prior act of terrorism at the federal reserve
he did not 'just snap'
...of instead of just sitting at home beating off to own hate, and actually leaving the house.
Again, no way to know for sure but ya I'd be inclined to believe he's a terrorist.
But I really think it's a stretch too far to sort of say that somehow...
KING: All right...
CHENEY: ...can be connected to our political discourse.
KING: OK. Well said.
How King, Cheney and Carville arrived at the conclusion that this act has no connection to the sorry state of our present political discourse baffles me.
OF COURSE THERE'S A CONNECTION. The wailing and gnashing of teeth on the right has become so pronounced, so virulent, so obtuse, that the loonies on the fringe have been stoked. Reilly, Coulter, Beck, Hannity, et al. have whipped these loonies into a rage, and now act as if they had nothing to do with it?
Sadly, I think we're likely to see a lot more of these incidents in the months to come.
So Liz, now you're a Psychologist too?
Had you met this man? Did you discuss his psycosis with him? ..with anybody? If you knew he was psychotic, who did you alert? Why didn't you have him committed?
Sorry, but you said, "..you know, clearly, he was psychotic..", even out of context, that's a powerful statement and one you can't possibly back up at this juncture.
Never, ever take anything Lizard Cheney has seriously. She's not more a hack than any other "expert" talking head.
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Q U E S T I O N:
When Liz Cheney is on her Stump Tour for her dad, why won't the media ask her HOW she knows what is in the "classified memos" that she says will exonerate her father? Why won't the media ask her how she knows what these "classified memos" say? Why won't the media ask Liz how she came into knowledge of the information contained within these "classified memos"?
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He is a Terrorist, and so is your Father. And while we are labeling people which your Father was so happy to do. Lets call you a Bitch.
they are criminals and tried in court for their terrorist acts. If they are white they are tried as criminals and tried in a court for their crimes. One word "terrorist" can change the outcome as far as what the sentence will be.
ron,
Don't you mean, if they're brown, they enjoy a cell WITHOUT a trial.
after they've been found not guilty!
Aaaah..what a country we have.
Shit had better start changin for the better, or this nation will never recover.
It was the Republicans that mostly succeeded in broadening the meaning of "terrorist" to include anyone that wasn't pro-Bush. They very much wanted the left, Democrats, Muslims, protesters, and almost anyone that is non-white, non-evangelical Christian to be equated with the word "terrorist". Now this guy and the guy that killed Dr. Tiller are the very dictionary definition of a terrorist.
Ok, stipulate he's not a terrorist, so what? He's still a right-wing extremist who, now sadly proven true, was a threat. He needed to be watched and due to his past he certainly shouldn't have been armed.
The DHS report was right whether or not he was a terrorist.
when somebody's threatening multibillion dollar multinational corporations.
relevant to the topic at hand...
And liz cheney...you need to really STFU...
http://www.theseminal.com/2009/06/12/if-91-ch...
thanks for the link, and it further exposes the rampant hypocrisy of the right
It's almost as if projection, and hypocrisy, and the ability to lie like a used car salesman (no offense to any here) to be in the GOP these days.
is your husband watching the ba...ooops...sorry...never mind.
Wrong Cheney. The other one is gay and has the good sense to keep her yap shut.
sorry...ok then...Liz...just STFU.
Better?
Much better L&P
"Please" shut the fuck up is more polite.
Throw in a "thank you very much" at the end though, would be kissin ass.
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Sadly, given my tempermant "thank you very much" would be followed by "you lying bitch".
representing a group or not this is an act of terrorism. going to a public place with a weapon shooting innocent people. motive racism. personally i'm tired of liz cheney she's a hypocrite. she never debates anyone of intellect. she's trying to help the BUSH legacy and dick's book.
When Lizzie first appeared on FOX, I thought it was little more than a cute way for dad to say farewell. Now, she is on (seemingly) every channel, everyday. Quite frankly, I could not care WHAT that air-head says. She has no bona fides to be on a national talk show. Her pretzel logic is obvious and is always focused on making 'daddy' and uncle GW look good. I sure wish someone would 'pull her mic'. Ay least C & L has the ability to just ignore her. I wish they would exercise it.
When does the Dick's book come out anyway, I'll look good in my collection sitting next to Mein Kampf.
I see Carville anymore I don't listen. He speaks for no one, but himself and probably his Storm Trooper of a wife. Couple him with Liz Cheney and there is absolutely nothing of value that could come from that conversation ever.
zingers, but that would be it.
Still looking for away to include democrats into the discussion of the Domestic Terrorists are we?
The day after the terrorist attack on the Holocaust Museum and also the Assassination of the Ob/gyn, Doctor Tiller happened, the entire Morning Joe Crew barely mention these stories; why, either because this wasn't important enough or because they were one of many conservative media outlets making fun of DHS Report and ridiculing Janet Napolitano and now they are too embarrassed to admit they had the Ed Henry Syndrome.
And now yesterday Scarborough tried to bring Wright into the conversation and just couldn't figure out a way to make it a high priority conversation without talking about what the Domestic Terrorist did the day before; he couldn't talk about the Assassination of Dr. Tiller without bring out his own past association with these types of Assassins.
And so today he thinks he finally has a leeway and he still fall flat.
And as was posted yesterday:
I guess when Joe Scarborough said he was worried we would get attack under President Obama he didn't expect it would be from his neck of the woods.
http://gawker.com/5279175/joe-scarborough-onc...
liz cheney...
I don't give a FLYIN FUCK, what you think about any goddamn thing!
Your father was instrumental in the downfall of this country.
And you're on teevee defending his shitty record, and telling us what you think!?!
FUCK YOU!
You're a fascist traitor just like your old man!
Can't wait for the day they cart his sorry ass off to jail.
on that glorious day...there will be kegger at my house, the likes of which my neighborhood has not seen for at least a month!
I can't wait for the day that they cart his sorry ass off to the cemetary.
Dick Cheney...an evil presence on the planet.
how about the galaxy?
His evil is so concentrated, it's gravity approaches that of the black hole at the center of the milky way...
no good will come of this.
I will once again take my rifles to the range and fire off one round in celebration for each circle of Hell he passes on his way to his destined circle.
I will take my rifles to the range and fire off one round for each year he's sentenced to prison in celebration. Sure it'll cost me over $100 but it'll be worth it.
WTF? I didn't know that terrorists had to belong to a union or something. Wonder if McVeigh was?
... on terrorism as well as interrogation methods and international law?
A boot to the head for CNN and other 'news' outlets who keep giving these war criminals free time to spin their revisionist vomit.
I thought someone said on a thread a couple of days ago that she's a lawyer, but no lawyer would say, "... (T)hey have apprehended the man who was guilty." It would be more like they apprenended the suspected or alleged shooter. He's not guilty until or if he's convicted.
Please keep in mind that she is, after all, a Cheney. Facts, laws and all that stuff have a liberal bias.
there's lawyers....and then there's GOP lawyers.
there are lawyers and there are those that believe they know better than others and that they are above the law. liz cheney is one of those people.
GOP lawyers.
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A hack lawyer.
Whatever she is, I'm sure I don't care: it's all trumped by being a SKANK.
The shooter is the off-spring of Eva Braun and Pauly Shore.
Psychotic means you can't distinguish right from wrong. Somehow I think this guy doesn't quite meet the criteria.
A sociopath knows it's wrong, but doesn't care. For a classic example she need only look up one branch on the family tree.
The other day I got called out for defending alleged fearmongering by progressives. I got ripped and I now think deservedly so. We should speak carefully of the he's-a-terrorist meme. Yes, he does fit the definition. But inciting the label too often now(to me anyway) can be construed to mean a tacit approval of the DHS concept. I think (hope) most progressives agree that the whole Global War on Terror is a sham.
We should be careful not to develop the same attitudes the conservatives and their mindless followers have towards people who commit these acts. This is a gold mine for the media. Progressive talking heads are playing into it. Everyone gets riled up. This guy needs to be taken through the legal system and if guilty, locked up (seems pretty open and shut). This is what was done with the first WTC bombers and these "terrorists" have been paying for their crimes. It's what should be done with the Gitmo detainess. I'm no big fan of the DOJ. But it should remain clear that we don't need this bloated, police state DHS system to enforce the laws and prosecute.
If we are sincere about preventing future incidents like this, we should focus the dialog on legal avenues (including criminal prosecutions)to hold the media or anyone else accountable if the investigation shows that this guy was influenced or coerced.
Hi Trantorian,
Please read this op-ed by Paul Krugman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/opinion/12k...
Thanks. Krugman makes a good case for making the connections.
you make a lot of great points. and i, for one, find the war on
night raidsterror to be a complete sham.yet, comparing the right's labeling of certain people/organizations as 'terrorists', for their political activism/opinions/organization, to the left's labeling this guy and dr. tiller's killer terrorists, isn't an apt comparison, imo
random example: "Hillary Clinton Supports Liberal Terrorists MoveOn"
http://politikditto.blogspot.com/2007/09/hill...
again, i agree that one must be careful in using the terrorist label, but there are times when it is an apt description--such as the 2 recent politically motivated shootings
i would never pass the bar, i suppose
Feeling shitty about their grades, that if a total dolt like Lizard can graduate law school and pass the Bar, there's no reason any of us can't.
Don't misunderestimate yourself Samson. I always agree with your POV's.
Off to work. Thanks for the forum. C&L. Check's in the mail.
This pathetic female windbag is not worth the attention she gets. Why pray tell do so called journalists listen to her lies/decptions and spin? Liz Cheney the height of hypocrisy!
It was a criminal act *and* a political act. Terrorism is inherently both. Then, Cheney says he wasn't acting on behalf of an organization as if that proves he wasn't a terrorist.
Is there a fund that provides dictionaries to these idiots? Can we set one up?
I thought being married to a main architect of Bush's policies would sort of destroy any liberal creed he may have pretended to have at some point.
I mean, what do any of these talking heads have to do to lose their credibility? I am starting to think that killing a goat and rape its corpse in prime TV may not even affect the standing of these "pundits."
And furthermore, how are these "pundits" made? Do they go to "pundit" school? Why does Ms. Cheney, who held a fairly marginal position during the Bush admin, get so much air time?
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Why Are The Republicans Coddling Terrorists?
Because they ARE the terrorists!
They insisted that we keep Gitmo open. Well, let's start shipping 'em off to sunny, tropical Cuba!
And, hey, doesn't Nancy Pelosi have any politically inexpert lesbian daughters who can tell us all what to think on national TV every day? You know, just for fair & balance? No? How' bout a metrosexual nephew that reads a lot of magazines?
OK, let's get back to work: Boycotting Limbaugh's advertisers, and sending in FCC & FEC complaint forms.
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oh yeah...she's the Speaker of the House...right?
Where's she been? I guess the GOP slapped her back into second class citizenship in the House due to her amateurish political skills.
I bet you can name the Presidents over the last 40 years....I dare you to name the Speakers of the House over the same period.
I'll get my son to do it.
I dare you to name your state representative. Oh...and tell me where Jabooty is? Oh...and the chemical composition of plasticene.
My Rep. in the US House is Vern Ehlers (could be worse- my dad lives in Peter Hoekstra's district).
But my point is, the Speaker of the House is not quite the leadership position you seem to think it is. More often than not, the Speaker is the deal broker in her/his caucus, or between that caucus and those in the minority.
Oh, and notice how the GOP has backed off of Pelosi on the torture briefings. It's done them an assload more damage than it has done Pelosi, and they know it. She might be as amateurish as you think- the GOP are fresh outta the egg, though.
But my point is, the Speaker of the House is not quite the leadership position you seem to think it is.
I simply disagree. Tip O'Neil, Sam Rayburn. You can even throw in Newt Gingrich. I obviously don't agree with his politics...but he was effective.
Bob Michel hadn't run for office in '94, so Gingrich was the ranking member of the entire caucus. Add to that Gingrich was the moving force behind the Contract on America, and of course HE was a leader. Up until the summer of '97, when he barely survived ouster...and then he ended up resigning in '98 anyway.
And O'Neil?!?! You gotta be kidding me! Go back and look at his tenure as speaker: No discipline in the caucus during the Carter administration, and defeat after defeat during the Reagan administration.
I'll give you Rayburn, but he's the exception, not the rule. And I'll add this caveat: A spirit of collegiality and bipartisanship that existed during Rayburn's era does not exist now.
"And, hey, doesn't Nancy Pelosi have any politically inexpert lesbian daughters who can tell us all what to think on national TV every day"
Mary Cheney's the gay one. Mini Me is straight....straight out of hell like her father.
That mistake is quite common. I suspect that Mary is locked up in the man size safe to keep her out of the public eye.
Mary probably isn't so quick to defend the man who would align himself with a party that thinks she's immoral and going to hell. Dick Cheney's family values is he puts his party ahead of his own family. Not surprising the straight daughter is the apologists for the evil bastard.
Try this word on for size:
T R E A S O N ,
Whom ever it fits is destined to wear it.
if your in the wrong neighborhood in iraq when a u.s. soldier is killed you are imprisoned indefinably as a terrorist.
if you confess and are 100 percent caught of committing domestic murder for idealogical reasons your just a nut.
i kind of think guys who strap bombs to their chests and blow themselves up are nuts but it doesn't seem to matter if their foreign.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/nyregion/12...
Well, schock and awe me. So, what is Daddy Liz a nutcase or a terrorsit?
Terrorist. Period.
My Hypocrisy meter just exploded.
And I suspect that takes a lot.
What the heck is wrong with these Cheneys? They're crooks; they're liars; they're psychotics.
And why does Liz Cheney keep showing up on all of these interviews? Who the heck is she to have any credibility at all?
She keeps claiming to know all this classified information which begs the question. Why was her dad Dick Evil sharing classified information with Mini Me?
Does liz have this particular social embarrasment?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_0Ol3RYyU
That was just fucking weird.
Pennangalan.
so terrorism is only terrorism if it is "attached" to an organization.
It's only terrorism if it;s done to us by dark skinned peoples overseas, not if Dick Cheney does it to the Iraqis or if Americans are killed by white domestic terrorists.
THE HOMELAND, in a lie where she denied something CheneyBushCo did. Just yesterday.
This twat really needs to get her Thug bum back in the kitchen, where all the other good Thug ladies go. She's obviously out of control due to monthly hormone imbalances.
Okay...a guy shoots up a church and says that all liberals should die violently.
Then a neo-nazi kills three cop because he hates obama.
Then a guy kills an abortion doctor and says that there's more to come.
Now a 88YO nazi (its hard to call him a neo-nazi cause...well, the guy's 88) shoots up the holocaust museum.
But thats not terrorism. Only criticizing the Bush administration is.
If you were Republican and these were acts of rabid left-wingers, youd be shooting out the word 'terrorism' like it was a friggin comma. The difference is that you're (mostly) Democrats and these are acts of rabid right-wingers. You know what? Its time to start using the word 'terrorism' like its a friggin comma, because thats what it is.
When Blackwater shoots up unarmed Iraqi civilians that's not terrorism, it's "target practice".
When this bitch's evil fuck father based on false pretenses sends missiles into a city of 5 million people roughly the size and density of Washington DC, that's not terrorism, that's "Shock and Awe".
"Shock and Awe" was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my life.
A fabulous "light show" for self-righteous Americans huddled around TVs, in all the comforts of their own homes, thinking, "We showed them."
It was cowardly, misguided, and hideous. A society can't sink much lower.
I remember how sick to my stomach I felt and yes, ashamed for my country. Al-Queda could never have done the damage to this country BushCo did.
If this had been a brown guy These jackasses would be screaming for Obama's head on a silver plate. This isn't new they have been treating right-wing based terrorism like this for years and years. The size doesn't matter this is what they did After The Ok City bombing.
Sooner or later these Right-wing terrorist are going to do something that will be bigger then 9/11, and it will be these right-wing terrorist deniers fault because they couldn't Admit they should stop the hate speach and treat these groups as terrorists.
The GOP refers to it as "protecting the base".
Protecting the base...
Al-Qaida translates to "the base"
Protecting Al-Qaida...
Well folks there you have it, the GOP supports terrorism!
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Liz, she of the clan who knows all, casually drops the term "psychotic," as in the shooter was "clearly psychotic." WTF?
I don't see any evidence in his writings or behavior to indicate such. Was he hearing voices? Not that I've heard. Did he see things that weren't there? Not that I've heard. Besides, Bush talked to his god and his god talked back. Bush is not psychotic. This shooter was a very angry man who blamed everyone but himself.
Calling him psychotic lowers the culpability of the hate and fear screamers that constantly bombard this country from television and radio. This guy was influenced by other fringe thinkers.
It's like saying anyone who would commit murder is crazy. No, they aren't necessarily. I read recently that no Christians commit murder because to do so is not Christian. Wow, that's some mighty tasty pretzel logic there. Yesiree, boy howdy!
Liz Chenery's name and ugly mug are present, one should not have to be careful about using the C-word.
but I really wish somebody would pie her on air. Blithering bitch deserves a pie so bad..
I've ever just laughed out loud about!
I didn't even read it...I just read the headline and cracked up! What a boob!
Because her father has trademarked both 'terrorist' and terrorism'. They cannot be used without his express approval and permission. To do so without the aforesaid permission will be considered a deliberate and malicious infringement of his trademark(s) and will render the offending party liable to prosecution under international trade mark law.
Terrorist (TM)
Terrorism (TM)
(R) (TM) R.Cheney 2002-2009
ter⋅ror⋅ism [ter-uh-riz-uhm] –noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
By definition 1. alone, von Brunn's act was sheer terrorism. The age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, military service, social status or any another label of a terrorist or whether alone or in a battalion has no bearing as to the act.
This was a premeditated act of violence to intimidate or incite to achieve a political purpose.
Here is a domestic terrorist site that von Brunn frequented.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
Please feel free to browse and let me know if these Americans are Patriots or Enemy of the State?
A little off-topic but Liz was trying to rewrite history by insinuation that her old man wasn't trying to link Saddam to 9/11. Well, wasn't he trying to pin the anthrax attacks on Saddam? Or, at least a lot of cohorts were without any proof. I seem to remember John McCain doing his best to link the anthrax with Iraq on one of the talk shows.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten about the TERRORIST anthrax mailings.
Liz Cheney is not worth paying attention to. She is an apologist for her father and I will not watch any program or network the gives her airtime.
By the way...the dude is a TERRORIST!
Obviously Liz cheney is delusional. Her fathers administration coined the "war on terrorism" phrase and it seems is Ms Cheney's distorted mind "white men" are incapable of being terrorists. She's a chicken hawk, history revisionist, lying racist.
Why is this lying whore on tv ?
She should be in hiding with her father enjoying the last of his freedom.
The Cheney Torture Family disgraces America daily.
They should run along like cockroaches before the real light starts to shine.
This daughter of one of the two top war criminals of the world in this century is treated as human? Are there no insane asylums left for her and her befuddled father? According to Wikipedia, this semi human who makes a crack whore mother look like a saint has bred and the state has not taken them into managed care? Are there no standards left. Hell in 1982, I found 5 privately funded, very discreet mental homes for someone like her. Her father has stolen so much he could afford the care by using the interest on the interest of what he has stolen.
Where is the person who allowed her to spout her bullshit? Why is he not applying for a new job today? This is acceptable to rational human beings?
The new Rethug party.
Bush/Cheney
Jeb Bush & Liz Cheney
I will put $20 on this bet.
These people are this stupid.
And according to Sarah Palin, bombers of abortion clinics aren't terrorists either...
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