Noonan and Will Make Excuses for the Republicans' Extreme Partisanship
Peggy Noonan thinks that President Obama just discovered bipartisanship now that his poll numbers are going down. Obviously she hasn't paid an ounce of attention to how he's actually governed for the last year. And when confronted with the rank partisanship from the Republicans and even the Senate's newest member, Scott Brown, who said the stimulus bill hasn't created a single job, Noonan dismisses it as just rhetoric he used to get elected. And George Will blames the President for having "an aggressive agenda" for the Republicans' bad behavior.
TAPPER: George, the administration and the president has said specifically that he was hoping for some bipartisanship support for some of the small-business tax cuts and credits he's pushing. There's an elimination of a capital gains tax for investments in small businesses, a tax credit for hiring, hoping for Republican support. I have yet to hear one Republican voice, one level of support for any of that.
If there's not bipartisan support for tax cuts, is there support -- is there possibility for any support for anything bipartisan?
WILL: Well, I'll volunteer. I subscribe to Milton Friedman's view that any tax cut of any shape at any time for any reason is to be supported. So I think probably they'll get some support on this.
But he has a very aggressive agenda from which he has retreated not one bit. I think you'd agree with that. And so when he extends his hand, he says, "I ask only one thing of Republicans, and that is that you quit being Republicans," and they respectfully decline.
If you have an aggressive agenda, you're going to have to push it aggressively in a partisan manner.
NOONAN: I'd add, sometimes timing is everything. If the president had spoken like that or acted in a manner reflective of his comments last year, when he first became president, instead of presenting some bills that want to actually know Republican support, he might be in better shape now. It's very convenient for him to be saying, "We're all in this together," when his numbers are going down.
TAPPER: You wrote recently rather approvingly of the election of Scott Brown in Massachusetts. He has -- is that unfair?
NOONAN: Sure. No, no, good.
TAPPER: OK. OK. And -- and he came here talking a lot about wanting to work in a bipartisan fashion. One of the first things he did, as you saw in the interview with Geithner, we ran a clip of Brown, was say that the stimulus bill has not created one job. Now, you can criticize with the stimulus bill, but it is -- you can -- you can disagree with whether or not it's created 2 million jobs, but certainly it has created one job.
HUNT: Scott Brown's.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
TAPPER: But, I mean, is -- do people just come down to Washington and become partisan, if even Scott Brown is already saying the stimulus bill hasn't created one job?
NOONAN: Well, Scott Brown was saying things like that on the way to election. He is very much against the -- the president's economic program.
I would say, look, obviously, the stimulus bill must have created at least one job, but when you try to find out where are the jobs, how many, what has this bill done, you know, you can't really get an answer. It sort of all dissolves in gobbledygook. You never know. I can't imagine Mr. Geithner knows how many jobs it's created.
I cannot even begin to express how much this sanctimonious hypocrite of a woman gets on my nerves.
by playing a parody of herself.
Some stuff you can't make up!
he allows lies to penetrate every converation --unless it is he who is telling the lie!
Noonan is a decades old parody of a speech writer... I like Will but rarely agree with him..he at least uses verbiage that makes me think--sometimes even twists enough brain cells to make me run to the Merriam Web to see the true definitions! Wome one who is not a career politician must attempt to stand for the repub knuckle-draggers--they can not string two thoughts together--with cribs!
that's not a difficult issue to resolve. it's a question of fact which has a definitive answer.
these asshole pundits don't like the facts re: jobs because they show that Obama has actually helped with the monthly job loss. instead, the pundits choose to have disagreements about "what those numbers mean" because after all, this is the area of opinion, which as we know, requires no such reality-basis.
is she always talks as if she is telling a story to a room full of 6 year olds. Since the only people swallowing her bullshit are wingnut conservatives, I guess she really is.
The worst part is, that's why they all think she's smart.
More idiot speak from another fucking idiot! You can't fix stupid. That is the main problem with most republicans.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
why don't you try writing comments that are interesting and even useful? You've got your 'mental illness' point across; not that anyone cares.
Hey KWILLOW speak for yourself or are you the new self appointed site monitor ? I get a kick out of Project's posts , he's always dead on .
Noonan, Palin, Lieberman, Coulter...I don't want to hear from them even when they're right...which is fucking never.
Thanks to the corporate MSM they ARE the narrative 99% of the time.
And who here does not believe that the elimination of the capital gains tax will only fuel the Wall Street frauds that are cooked up on a daily basis?
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
I can't stand these four old women, either.
"But he has a very aggressive agenda from which he has retreated not one bit. I think you'd agree with that. And so when he extends his hand, he says, "I ask only one thing of Republicans, and that is that you quit being Republicans," and they respectfully decline."
I honestly can't remember the last time I've heard such a shameless pack of lies and utter nonsense..Incidentally Heather,you are giving Miss Piggy far too much credit.It is not that she and Will haven't been paying close enough attention.Rather,it is simply that the two of them are brazen liars.They just lie,and they lie and they lie.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
It's probably even denser than she is!
I find it rather eye opening watching Peggy Noonan on Sunday morning talk shows. Look at her body language. She always has her arms and legs crossed. Interesting. What that says to me is that she is really on the defensive. Then whenever she says something she is lashing out and retreating back into herself. Scary. Sort of reminds me of when the Alien was with Ripley in the shuttle at the end of the first movie. Yikes.
"Yikes."
no doubt
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
My friend and I actually saw the first installment of the Alien trilogy when it first came out..wait for it...on Acid.
"yikes" indeed.
Maybe Miss Piggers has an extra little mouth like Alien when she needs the extra "blather power".
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
. . . then it could be millions, according to that reasoning.
Why should we have to hear anything from Noonan? She speaks as if each word she utters is a gem, polished by thought and reason, but I have no idea why her opinions should matter to anyone. She was a speech writer for Reagan and Bush 1. Here are aome of her polished gems speeches,
"Noonan coined the phrase "a kinder, gentler nation" and also popularized "a thousand points of light". Noonan also wrote the speech in which Bush pledged: "Read my lips: no new taxes" during his 1988 presidential nomination acceptance speech.
Really thats just about all you need to know about her.
has she ever run for office? Has she ever governed in any way?
"Has she ever governed in any way?"
Probably more than Palin . . .
:)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
well, the (r) minority poll numbers are nothing to brag about. this political business as usual. continue the dualism in fear of weakening the two party system. it's also anti-tax.....trickle down bull shxt for corporations.
If ever there were a concern troll poster child, she is it. No question.
The HCR may be the poster child, but it's the canary in the mine...
GOP Bipartisanship Defined:
You, the majority party, throw out 80% of what you want in the Bill
and accept instead 80% of what we, the minority party, want in the Bill.
And it ain't about scoring political points per se, it's a question pure and simple of the ideological priorities (and special interests) of the two parties.
Oh, and by the way, for the GOP elections matter....only not this last one.
this old nag should be put down. Will too.
What is it with dinosaurs and the GnoP?
the great grandchildren's best interests at heart? Hardly anyone. It's a knee-jerk reaction. If you can't trust the old folks to look out for you, who can you trust? That's how they get the non-thinkers.
Didn't Uncle Pat say the libs were sssoooooooo condescending the other day. As usual pot/kettle never occurs to Repukes. I don't think Noonan is stupid and if she were it wouldn't be so bad, even delusional might be forgiven but as with most Repukes they just out and out lie and this pompous hypocrite is one of their best.
The Dems are not losing seats because they are not working with the party of NO they are losing their support from the left, center and independents because they have been trying to appease the hypocritical sacks of sh!t to the detriment of the progressive policies Obama was elected to put in place.
Yup, I made that observation last week. There's no other way Obama's poll numbers could go down. He's losing the progressive base because he repeatedly tries to appease the very idiots that have sent the country into a tailspin.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
campaign on false premises. The only other explanation is that he did not know what he was getting himself into, but that is unlikely because of his cabinet choices and his obvious natural intelligence. Face it--he's a DINO.
and pretty much at odd with the facts. See below.
RINO's, DINO's and bears. oh my! If there is a bear.
Since REAL progressives are so imaginative, what percentage of the 21% of voters who call themselves liberal do you imagine call themselves "progressive" as well? And what part of Obama's victory do they comprise?
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
This is a big country to turn around all in a minute. It's going to take longer than that. Get over it.
"There's no other way Obama's poll numbers could go down. He's losing the progressive base."
Obama has gone from 67% approval to 48% from January 09 to January 10.
That is a drop of 19%. Dems still give him 83% approval. Independents have gone from 62-44%. Republicans from 41 to 14%.
These are Gallup figures. And lest you think it is the "Progressives" who are responsible for the decline among independents, only 18% of Gallup's independents called thmeselves "liberal." 35% described themselves as "conservative", and 43% called themselves "moderate."
Just for further amusement, since only 21% of Gallups voters identify themselves as liberals, for Obama's polling decline of 19% overall to be attributable to progressives, he would have had to go from about 98% approval to near zero, with no decline among moderates or conservatives.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
[[only 18% of Gallup's independents called thmeselves "liberal." 35% described themselves as "conservative", and 43% called themselves "moderate."]]
It is also very likely that a disproportionately high percentage of the 78% of Independents who describe themselves as "conservative" or "moderate" in these polls are none other than Republicans who decided it was too embarrassing to own up to being a Republican even to pollsters. Many more Republicans have run to the so-called Independent column over the past few years than Democrats.
They didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and would never vote for Obama or any other candidate over a Republican if the contest in their state/district was expected to be close.
However, by pretending to be Independents for these polls, they cause Republicans to be over-sampled to a greater degree than Democrats might be, contributing to the result from all of the self-described Republican group and a hefty percentage of the self-described Independent group.
Forty years after he dies, we Republicans will trot out Obama's proposed tax cuts to support opposing another Democratic President,
just like we always do with JFK.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
you never grew a brain before, doesn't mean that you can't grow one now.
Pundits are the rich orphans of the media business. Some arc former reporters, some are former political operatives, and some are just propagandists in the Limbaugh mold. Among them, transmitters are common, many of them picking up far-right memes because of their outrageousness quotient: the best way to make your reputation as a pundit is to say something that makes headlines. No publicity is bad publicity, as they say. And the demand for pushing that "cutting edge" farther rightward becomes insatiable.
Pundit-transmitters range front one-time liberals, like Christopher Hitchens, to barely concealed extremists, like David Horowitz and Michael Savage. In between, it was commonplace to hear the late Barbara Olson repeat a Patriot legend, or for Peggy Noonan to indulge in plainly irresponsible speculations about Muslims, often straight out of the nativist handbook. The most notorious of them, probably, is Ann Coulter. --David Neiwert (chap. 3 p. 81)
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"Still seized three books from Adkisson's home, including "The O'Reilly Factor," by television commentator Bill O'Reilly; "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," by radio personality Michael Savage; and "Let Freedom Ring," by political pundit Sean Hannity."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
you mean actually trying to solve some of the gigantic problems the Republicans have gifted to the American people I'd say that's true.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Dopey and Will ought to be "working" for Fox , it's as simple as that , they are a couple of pseudo "sophisticated" right wing morons and "project" , you are right , Republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
The corporate owned and run media is who hires these biased weasels to pontificate the corporate line. "Dance with them what brung ya." They'll say anything for money. "Integrity?" Not in their vocabularies.
...till his dream job on FAUX opens up.
already has a pretty good position on ABC. Why not just make ABC Fox like? Oh wait, that's what they already do.
WILL: Well, I'll volunteer. I subscribe to Milton Friedman's view that any tax cut of any shape at any time for any reason is to be supported.
The Bush tax cuts resulted in the most job losses in America has seen in a long time. The tax cuts (if you are to believe Friedman and any other Randian Free-marketers) were supposed to "trickle down" to the rest of us peons in the form of jobs, right?
So what happened? The rich took their giant tax cuts, moved their plants overseas (over 40,000 of them) and stuck the extra cash in their pockets.
Supply side economics is a farce! Demand always comes first...
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
We've been getting trickled on for a long time , the trickle has turned into a complete hosing .
Peggy lives back in the '60's.
Why are you on this round table discussion? Are you just trying to inject a small fragment of joy into your otherwise vapid and pointless life?
Your due date expired years ago........
LuLu
Noonan thinks it is "weird" that the Obama administration has come out to tell the world that the attempted Christmas bomber is talking, cooperating and "singing like a canary". Because, she reasoned, it doesn't help us fight the war on terror if we tell al-Qaeda we're collecting intel from one of their operatives.
But she apparently doesn't think it's "weird" at all that Republican leaders are out there telling the world the attempted Christmas bomber has courageously refused to cooperate and, besides, the USA is so weak and unconcerned about our homeland security we're not even trying to get him to talk...so you might as well keep sending more al-Qaeda operatives prepared to do serious damage to us.
Noony the America hating loony.
That's so anti-Reagan-Bush-Bush.
still fu*king it after all these years.
The statements of this old woman are as plastic as her face
Woody McBreairty
I think the Repugs are getting a little freaked out at Obama's repeated attempts to get them to be bipartisan , Obama knows it isn't going to happen but it puts the Repugs between a rock and a hard place , exposes them . I have a hunch that this is a set up for upcoming hardball and reconciliation , makes sense , maybe Obama knows exactly what he is doing . Hope it's not just wishful thinking .
start calling Peg the Dewy Pantystain, now?
And thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt. I think we've had enough of your odious condescension and pretentious bloviating. You---an expert? At what? Manipulation and lying? Sorry, but the MSM already has more than enough of those fools.
Here's the short form of that: We didn't ask for your opinion. So shut up.
Move on to something more relevant like how to fix up your dysfunctional, bombthrowing colleagues at the gNOp.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
At my office, about 20 structural engineers are still working today because of stimulus. Federal money came into a state tunnel project which was on hold due to lack of money. Construction in the Seattle area has fallen after 2008, we have have had lots of layoffs, so I can tell you a lot of people were happy about the stimulus here.
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