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Bill Maher had another great New Rules segment tonight with his comparison between the economic models embraced by the NFL and MLB and those of the Democratic and Republican parties.

You can say this doesn't necessarily apply to a lot of conserva-Dems, and I'm sure Bill would agree, but the analogy between liberal and conservative economic ideologies is spot on.

MAHER: So it's no surprise that some 100 million Americans will watch the Super Bowl next week. That's forty million more than go to church on Christmas. Suck on that Jesus! It's also 85 million more than watched the last game of the World Series and in that is an economic lesson for America, because football is built on an economic model of fairness and opportunity. And baseball is built on a model with the rich always winning and the poor usually have no chance.

The World Series is like the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills; you have to be a rich bitch just to play. Where as the Superbowl is like Tila Tequilla, anyone can get in. Or to put it another way, football is more like the Democratic philosophy. Democrats don't want to eliminate capitalism or competition, but they would like it if some kids didn't have to go to a crummy school in a rotten neighborhood, while others get to go to a great school, and their dad gets them into Harvard. Because when that happens, achieving the American dream is easy for some and just a fantasy for others.

That's why the NFL literally shares the wealth. TV is their biggest source of revenue and they put it all in a big Commie pot and split if thirty two ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Superbowl in the next draft, picks last, or what the Republicans would call “punishing success.”

Baseball... baseball on the other hand is exactly like the Republicans. And I don't just mean it's incredibly boring. I mean their economic theory is every man for himself. The small market Pittsburgh Steelers go to the Superbowl more than anybody. But the Pittsburgh Pirates? Levi Johnston has sperm that will not grow up and live long enough to see the Pirates in a World Series. Their payroll is forty million. The Yankees is two hundred and six million. The Pirates have about as much chance of getting to the playoffs as a poor black teenager from Newark has of becoming the CEO of Halliburton.

That's why people stop going to Pirate games in May. Because if you're not in the game, you become indifferent to the fate of the game and maybe even get bitter. That's what's happening to the middle class in America. It's also how Marie Antoinette lost her head. So you kind of have to laugh that the same angry white males who hate Obama because he's “redistributing wealth” just love football; a sport that succeeds because it does just that.

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Mugsy's picture

Love it.


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Pepper99's picture

I know that his state (VT) and his age are not sexy enough in the schemey world of politics to make a serious Presidential run, but I would vote for this man in a heartbeat. Independent, schmindependent. And I know he's a politician who's benefitted - although not as egregiously as many others - from smoky back room deals and has secured his fair share of pork. But if VT speaks to one thing it's simplicity. If there were rampant pork being thrown around that state, it would be an eyesore. And un-Vermont-like.

Bernie is a realist. You're born: healthcare or health insurance. Healthy babies, good hospitals, education, care, facilities and budgets and JOBS. You live: Food, family, education, big/small businesses, recreation, opportunity, police and fire corps, roads and highways, farming and agriculture, taxes and accountability. Open discussion, transparency in government from local and state, balanced reporting and advertising, clean towns and cities, safety nets, youth and elderly programs, and essential services. You age: Social Security, disability, death and veteran benefits, health care for seniors, modern medical facilities with physicians/nurses and support staff who can handle the elderly, retirement communities and assisted living ceneters. Maintaining and encouraging the arts - museums, shows, fairs, exhibits and public forums -and providing access to theaters, movies, stages, and sites.

Other than the obvious tags - Communist, Socialist, Progressive - Sanders represents a state that is quite frozen in time. Can an Independent Party be mobilized and smart enough to launch a campaign for a man from a state that is so "untouched" by human hands? Would the media strike so hard to uncover what "must" be wrong with VT stain what VT is and always has been? How can this person (state) be so "not cool" or in touch with today's realities? Not so much HOW they do it but WHY they do what they do in VT when the rest of the nation is engulfed in trench warfare over everything. Isn't there anything contentious about the place? Only when you go and try to find dirt and start mucking around looking for trouble. You won't find much.

Yes, there is crime in VT. Small crime, relatively big crime. Some scandals in its history. The Statehouse has had its share of characters and crooks. There are disgruntled teens who quit school, do drugs, and run away. Children do go missing. There are car crashes and death by suicide. It snows a ton and summers can be hotter than Hell. There are drunk drivers and snotty tourists. There are goobers and boors and yahoos and incest happens in VT. But there are synogogues and churches, large and small. The Boys and Girls Scouts have troops and dens. People marry, have kids, raise families often in the same homes or on the same farms their parents and their grandparents raised their own. There is a counter culture left over from the 60s and alternative lifestyles who live peaceably among the lifers.

It's all just so understated and powerful simultaneously. Picnics, parades, honor ceremonies, holidays, and bake-offs. Fair grounds and livestock judging, barns and cabins, hunting and fishing, and tourist attractions. It is not cosmopolitan or snarky, it's a foreign concept to most Americans. Gorgeous scenery and complete with four distinct seasons. Home to some of this country's most prized universities and greatest American citizens - artists of every genre, e.g. - and libraries flush with unique history of both state and country.

So, can a man from such an iconic, small Northeastern state generate enough support for a Presidential run? Will the shadow from Howard Dean interfere or mix the message? Who would Sanders partner with to balance the quiet and self-determination of VT with a politician from a state with BIG state issues and crises? Would the Red Midwest like the man with basic, small town midwest values and honesty? Can Sanders engage the younger crowd tired of the flaming rhetoric and slash-and-burn of the Dems and Teahadists that devour the media and the messages? His forthrightness should appeal to seniors. He is strong on advocacy for veterans and is anti-war. Sanders is distinctly middle class and speaks to the unemployed and broken safety net issues. But would he play on Broadway?


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JohnnyBravo's picture

thank you, Bill.


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General Jack D. Ripper's picture

That was a great analogy last night. I hope Limbaugh saw it.

The reason I mention Limbaugh is that I heard Limbaugh a few months ago talk about the NFL. He said that the reason why the NFL is so much better than the reality shows on the networks is that those reality shows are produced by unions. He said that the NFL was "real" and "unscripted."

Does Limbaugh not know that the NFL players are a member of a Union? Does he not know that they are threatening to go on strike next season? Does Limbaugh also not know that many of the workers who put together the broadcast of an NFL game are likely members of unions?

I agree with Limbaugh that the NFL is much better than reality shows, but it's not because of any union involvement on those reality shows. I wonder if Limbaugh will stop liking the NFL as much as he does because of its union involvement?

ysbaddaden's picture
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Am I the only Texan getting SICK of hearing about the stupor bowl?


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Peter G's picture

an advertising competition. It isn't?


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Teecee's picture

are :)

kickbass's picture

There are very large differences in NFL team salaries.
Highest:Raiders @ $152 million; lowest: Chiefs @ $84 million.
In 2010 the Padres almost beat the eventual World Series Champion Giants in the NL west with a payroll of $38 Million.
The AL Champion Texas Rangers had a team salary of $55 million.
From: http://blog.surepayroll.com/when-a-low-payrol...
"In 2003, however, the Florida Marlins defied the odds. They won a World Series with a modest $63 million payroll, which ranked 20th in the league and was far less than the Yankees, who spent more than $180 million that year."

Bill is often full of it.

walt kovacs's picture

as you pointed out, the tiny padres almost won the west...and would have if their young pitching staff hadnt petered out during the final few weeks

the giants payroll was close to 100mil....but only because of 2 players...one (barry zito) didnt make the post season roster

the giants won with mostly home grown talent on their pitching staff

can the pirates keep up with the yanks when it comes to free agency? nope

but their owners can stop pocketing the revenue sharing monies and work on their farm system

what bill doesnt note, is that players salaries and contracts in the mlb are the way they are...thanks to a very strong union

the nfl has a very weak union.....bill should talk to the former players who have sustained head injuries that till recently the nfl refused to accept any responsibility for

to this day, in the nfl, there is no such thing as a guaranteed contracte

the nfl may have a lockout next season.....thats the owners showing their muscle....wouldnt happen with a strong union

in other words....in 2011, the nfl will experience a massive layoff....so tell me again how that is the dem model

mahr is an idiot

opus132's picture

Bill is being simplistic, not for the first time. First of all, the SF Giants won the Series this year; their payroll bears little resemblance to that of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Phillies. Second of all, people like football because it is militaristic and violent, not because there is a salary cap and revenue sharing. Speaking of which, the NFL busted up the last attempted strike and the owners keep a whole lot more money vis-a-vis the players in the NFL than they do in MLB. Is this really what Bill is advocating? He's a smart guy. He should think a little more critically. I think he is intellectually lazy, and would offer up "Religulous" as Exhibit A.

David L. Hill's picture

First of all, Maher isn't talking about socialism, he's talking about communism.

I saw some of the stats regarding teams who'd been in the World Series lately, but it deserves a little more investigation. What is the avg payroll of the teams in the top 4 every year, and how does that compare to the avg salary?

Just because the Yankees don't always win doesn't mean they aren't a serious serious threat every year. And the reason that they are is that they buy the best players available. Because they can afford to.

You're right, though. Maher's analysis is incredibly simplistic. His political take is more extreme and less analytical than Jon Stewart's (which is why so many people take Stewart more seriously as a political media analyst). But it is food for thought, and although we're not going to hear much of a response from politicians (who, quite frankly, have better things to think about than what's pissing off Bill Maher today...), I can't wait to hear the whining from the media in 3...2...1...Go!

Elegant Mule's picture

Here's more than most people need to know: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/ten...

The best takeaway is that teams in the top 2 for spending in their divisions made the playoffs 49 times, while those in the bottom two spots qualified only 16 times. Also, those numbers would look even more lopsided if not for the underperformance of the Mets, Cubs, and Tigers (who's spending was often misguided to say the least) and the successes of the Athletics early in the decade.

Radically Moderate ad infinitum's picture

Wrong, if it were communism, all of the profits would go to the NFL rather than the individual teams.
The NFL analogy is solid.
If MLB were to stack teams in a league of 16 teams divided between the national league and american league, and eliminate any playoff structure, whereby the league winners would directly advance to the World Series as they once did, it would be inevitable that after 162 games the top tiered wealthy teams would pretty much take over the World Series.
Bill Maher knows what he is talking about............you, on the other hand..........do not.


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Anson J's picture

When more people can compete there's more competition. When there's more competition, there's more innovation. When there's more innovation, everyone benefits.

jeevmon's picture

An easy rebuttal to Maher's argument is to point out that the Yankees haven't had all that much success in recent years in translating money into championships or even World Series appearances. Yes, there was 2009, but that was over a year ago. Prior to that, their last Series appearance was 2003 and last title was 2000. There may be a correlation to be made between money and success in baseball, but the Yankees may not be the best example. At the very least, they've not shown themselves to be a particularly efficient machine for turning money into trophies.

ricky's picture

is that comparing sports to poltics is as silly as using movie quotes and characters to describe the people in politics. Which is why it is popular to do it.


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I happen to think Bill hit the nail right on the head with his descriptive analysis that is simplistic yet involves a more complex ideal. Yes in baseball there are surprise winners, but the structure in place does work against the continuity of every team having a consistent fair chance to compete. It does not reign in egos and greed for the betterment of the game. Imagine if football was run like baseball, how much do you think the Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and other big market owners team salaries would be in comparison the the rest of the league??? I think it would be much like college football, where you have only a handful of the same teams that can compete for a national title. Football does most things in regards to a league view, where baseball does it in regards to a individual team (big market) view. Bill analogy of democratic versus republican makes perfect sense in his analysis. Also to note I live in Pittsburgh that Bill uses as his examples and he is so right on......... by the way GO STEELERS!!!!!

Its Me's picture

That was a great defense of the Democratic Party's philosophy and goes a long way toward explaining why their policies, almost without exception, produce or preside over far, far better economic results than those of Republicans.

But where was Maher with this clear CHOICE presentation before the midterm elections? Where was Chris Matthews with his clear CHOICE presentation and defense of the Democratic Party before the midterm elections?

These guys always find the clarity of presentation on these issues and drop the False Equivalency bullsh*t in non election years.

Look for Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Michael Moore, Ariana Huffington, Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann (wherever he emerges) and others to revert to their usual "The Democrats are SPINELESS WIMPS!" pre-election mantra sometime around, oh, 6 months before the next election. Not exactly the clarion call for Democratic support for the all-important Blue-Collar White Male demographic voter.

They never fail to revert to that message leading directly into an election and then find clarity of vision and Democratic Party 'religion' AFTER the election when it no longer matters. Like now.

Regardless of party stance, it's not like Maher put it at all. That's what upset me, not the political consideration.

He was wrong about several things. First of all, there IS revenue sharing in baseball. There has been for a long time.

Recently leaked documents report that in 2008, the payroll for the Florida Marlins was $21.8 million. Their receipt of revenue-shared funds? A hair under $48 million. Where the heck did that other $26 million go? Not into the team, that's for sure. Their payroll for the following season was $36 million, but they got over $43 million in revenue sharing for THAT year too. Because MLB is tight-lipped about that kind of thing until they're darn well good and ready to share, those 2008 revenue-sharing documents got out wikileak-style.

The last year of "released" information regarding all teams is 2005. In that season, the New York Yankees had a player payroll of $206 million. The misery-laden (according to Bill) Pittsburgh Pirates had a player payroll of $36 million. The Yankees paid $76 MILLION into the revenue-sharing kitty, while the Pirates received $25 million. Based on that, the Pirates net expense for Payroll was $11 million for what could be termed "on-field operations", while the Yankees paid $281 million! Also, according to Sports Illustrated, the Pirates STILL turned a profit last year.

It's that the "large-market teams" are subsidizing inefficiency... and the term "large market" is so out of place that cities like Atlanta and St. Louis subsidize Washington DC and Miami!

In baseball, the revenue pie is simply smaller, and the biggest issue in baseball's competition is a salary cap and floor, not revenue sharing. Nobody twisted the arms of these owners to buy the franchises- there are typically dozens of willing buyers for any franchise that comes up for sale. Why are people willing to buy? Because they're a money maker.

His use of Pittsburgh as an example pisses me off even more because they actually conned the city into a beautiful new park just 10 years ago! The truth is, nobody's going to come to your beautiful stadium if you put garbage on the field.

Also, he was wrong about the draft too. Not only do the worst teams pick first in the MLB amateur draft, but...
1) Per the current Collective Bargaining Agreement, they cannot trade the picks for considerations- that means there is no excuse for not having a "shot" at the best player if you are the worst team. That's why Stephen Strasburg went to the 59-103 Nationals and NOT to the Red Sox or Yankees.
2) MLB also has a compensation clause for teams who lose statistically accomplished players in free agency. The Oakland A's played this game masterfully, and their description of how they did it was a large portion of the book "Moneyball". By metrics devised by the Elias Sports Bureau, a player is assigned a value upon entering free agency. A "class-A" player is considered to be at the top 20% of his position. His departure via free agency results in TWO compensatory draft picks for the team that lost him- one of which comes from his new franchise! Class 'B' players (the next 20% tier) lost in free agency result in draft picks as well. If that's not sharing the wealth, I don't know what is!

Based on the numbers available, I think the Yankees are paying their fair share, and again, that while Bill Maher knows politics, he doesn't know the first thing about sports.

Andy K's picture

MLB will remain uncompetitive as long as teams like the Yankees are allowed to continue to horde unlimited numbers of players by signing them to huge contracts. If there was a salary cap, the big market teams would be allowed only x-amount of salary, so they'd either be forced to budget commensurately, or they would have to cut good players loose, allowing other teams a shot at signing those players. As it is now, due to the tv and radio contracts those teams can demand,teams like the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox can afford to both sign high-value players to big contracts and pay the penalties.

Where the heck did that other $26 million go?

Most probably went towards paying signing bonuses, which are very, very rarely paid off in one lump sum in any sport, rather being paid out in fractions as annuities. Many former players still receive portions of their signing bonuses for years after they retire. I expect that another large chunk of the $26M went to the team's minor league organization as well- a system the NFL doesn't have. It certainly didn't go into the pockets of the owners- most major sports franchises are write-offs, the profit coming when the franchise is sold.

CLWord77's picture

Player signing bonuses (outside of draftees) are taken into consideration in regards to contract valuation in MLB- because the entirety of the contract is guaranteed, there's no need to differentiate unlike in the NFL. The only bonuses that are not rolled into that are draftee bonuses- which are not nearly as sizeable as those in Football. Strasburg's record $15 MM bonus is commensurate with an NFL player taken 13th or 14th in their April draft. Based on the annuity assumption, it stresses even further that these young players, while a risk, come at a fraction of even the price of established MLB mediocrity.

You're right though. The issue is a salary cap (and floor)- that would be a huge boon to competitive balance in baseball. However, there comes a point where accountability has to come in to play. What have they done since getting a publicly-funded stadium in the last 10 years? They've lost an inexcusable amount of games. They've drafted horribly... and yet they've turned a profit despite proving to be woefully inept at trying to operate a franchise- unless they are ready to admit that they don't care about the product on the field whatsoever, which would actually be rather refreshing.

The only real losers in this situation are the Pirate fans.

Andy K's picture

A "class-A" player is considered to be at the top 20% of his position. His departure via free agency results in TWO compensatory draft picks for the team that lost him- one of which comes from his new franchise!

This really doesn't mean much at all. Unless a draft pick has played all of his college ball, he's free to opt to remain an amateur. Example: Say the Yanks sign a class-A player from the Pirates (obviously, this is purely theoretical), and the Buccos receive the compensatory pick from the league and one of the Yanks' picks. They draft player X and player Y, but both decide to turn down contracts from Buccos. One year later, both could be drafted by the Yanks, with whom they sign. Some compensation, huh?

CLWord77's picture

While yes, a player can head back into the draft (paging Hochevar, Luke), no system is going to be perfect. Several high-profile situations can be pointed out in any sport where some young player forced action (Elway, Eli Manning, Lindros, JD Drew, Yi) and there are going to be ballplayers that are going to buck the system one way or another, an MLB team receiving draft picks is still compensation. Besides, if a team is unable to sign a player in MLB, they still get a subsequent compensatory pick the next draft. So, if the Pirates aren't able to sign the (theoretical) 25th overall pick that they got from the Yankees for player A, they get the 26th pick the following season. If they can't get THAT player to sign, then the problem is deep-rooted- If the issue is actually getting players to play for these small-market teams, then they should contract the franchises entirely...

...but that's not the issue. The refusal of a player to report to a franchise is FAR more infrequent an ocurrence than a franchise's willingness to pay what a player is capable of obtaining on the open market.

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