John McLaughlin uses Pat Buchanan's fear mongering framing for his question on end of life counseling to begin this segment. Buchanan claims that to save money, a government official is going to visit your house if you're ill, and suggest suicide to you. Of course nitwit Monica Crowley is happy to chime right like the good little right winger that she is and agrees with him.
Eleanor Clift attempts to inject some sanity back into the conversation, but isn't helped by her supposed "liberal" (cough) on the panel, Mort Zuckerman who starts railing about whether people ought to have a right to kill themselves if they're in chronic pain, thus throwing a little red meat back to Buchanan and Crowley. Pat literally goes into a hissy fit about the government wanting to kill people to save money before the segment is over.
Does anyone else think that Pat Buchanan has just had a complete mental meltdown since President Obama got elected? Watching this guy is like looking at a car wreck in slow motion. I keep waiting for his head to literally explode on the air one of these days.
For many years Pat was a test for my own political views. He was one of the rare politicians I found I disagreed with every time and yet still found his insight and opinions illuminating for their intelligence and well-thought out explanations. Heck, I've even read a few of his books.
That said, there was always a blatant racism/sexism/bigotry to most of his views and I would have to agree with your assessment that having a black president has pushed him off the ledge and he's now in free fall toward utter zealotry.
It's sad really. The rational branch of the Republican Party is dying almost as fast as the under-insured in America.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
Party is dying.... But have you look at the republicans which have been elected in the democrat party today..
We have Emanuel not only recruiting republicans to run on the democrat ticket , but he is funding and supporting them with our funds and personal...
If the blue dogs and the centrists were out of our party people like Emanuel other leadeers would not have the power to move our party to the center right and slidding more so every passing day which they are doing...
Obama previous voting record is more the center right then it is to the center or left.....
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free speech is a right that comes with a
responsibility to be honest.
buchanan and all those on the conservative reich
are blatantly lying about the health care reform
and inciting individuals with hate and violence
toward the current administration and many minority
groups in this country and around the world.
THEY ARE THE ENEMY COMBATANTS WE SHOULD FEAR !!!!
I voted for Cynthia McKinney because I don't trust Obama and because I want real change in America, not just a new slogan.
That said, there are still some good Democrats. I can only think of two or three sitting Republicans who have any self-respect left.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
I hate Rahm and his brother, Ezeikel who is the 'expert'(NOT) advising O-bought-ma on Health Care NON-reform DLC and all similiar organizations are unelected, toadies squatting on the faces of Kucinich, Howard Dean, Gore, Kerry, you name it. HE is indeed the one recruiting PUKIES to call themselves 'BlueDogs' like Spector, who was promised no Democratic Challenger.
I definitely couldn't have said it better.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
and not a very good one, at that. Don't you know it's a dead giveaway when you refer to the party as "the Democrat Party". IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!! Only Rethuglicans call it the Democrat party. Shoo...beat it.....go away!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Glogrrl....
Thank you for saying that. It pisses me off to no end when the likes of limpballs refer to the "Democrat party," or the "Democrat bill." Then you hear idiot Republicans like Michelle Bachmann and Eric Cantor say the same thing, and they are saying it because puke limpballs does. All they want to do is incite hatred from the Democrats.
You make a very good point. Very good. There are alot of dems that aren't officially Blue Dogs but act like them. Webb from Virginia is a perfect example.
With Dems like these who needs Republicans?
pete2069 is right. look it up.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Pat, along with his fellow bigots, will never accept any black American as POTUS. We fought a Civil War over this stuff. They are still fighting it. What's new?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-4jU2wlRkQ
http://texasadvancedirectivesblog.blogspot.co...
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it would explode on air one day.
They are promoting suicide.
are worried more about who would pull there plugs given the chance...
(please, please let me!!!)
Yesterday I mentioned that Obama should do a press conference to debunk these things and show how the right wing old people and Joe the Plumber fans are being punked and used by Palin and Gingrich and Gordon Klingenschmitt and the insurance profiteers. Now we have Pat Buchanan to add to the mix.
Ok I just got an email from David Axlerod. It covers what I said about addressing these bull shit claims by the right wing agitators. But you know what? The dumb asses who believe this are not going to read a god damn email. Even the people on the fence about the possibility of this crap being true are too stupid at reading comprehension. They need a 1/2 hour press conference that will be hashed over on Good Morning America and Brian Williams. Axlerod is giving them too much credit to be able to decipher reality. Thanks David but not good enough.
And another thing is that Axlerod didn't even bother to address the Limbaugh/Beck crap about Obama being a Nazi. Come on David get on it, would you!
Does Pat keep popping up for quotes all the time... You would believe he was an ex-president or something else..
Pat looks like a permanent quest on Chris Matthews show and Rathel have him very often until lately.
This is why I no longer watch any of the sunday morning republican talk shows... You can tell the results they wish,, by the actors they have on their shows....
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to let him blather on long enough to show what a bigot he is. Then she got him. But you sure are correct calling the Sunday morning shows Republican. I would never ruin a good day like Sunday by watching them. Regardless of your religion or non-religion, it should be a day of peace. Don't you think? A day to rest one's head.
So Pat, are the people who are promoting suicide part of Palin's Death Panels? Just wondering who I have to talk to so that I can end my misery of having to see you bull shit me all the time.
So is suicide part of the euthanasia deal or is it separate?
Are they two different panels? Or can we merge them to save even more money?
I just want to know if my suicide expenses will be covered under Obama care.
Well let me take this one. It seems that Dick Durbin is willing to forget the public option so it is kind of iffy at this time. But there is the option of going to the emergency room and stabbing yourself in the chest which it might be just as good as suicide but will obviously take a little longer. The good news it that yoiu will be able to afford it. Happy trails.
I thought I'd get assisted suicide under Obama care.
Your plan is like asking a fetus to abort itself.
too! =)
I wonder if ole Pat would be so concerned about the Government promoting suicide, if they only promoted it for brown people?
That these ass-hats are on the T.V. spewing this crap on a daily and weekly basis.The corporate media is totally corrupt. The words rascism,treason and sedition also come to mind.What does it say about this nation, that we allow this to go on?
And continuing to drop. And the more you drop, the better Canada looks.
Eventually you will drop below Mexico and then my parents will stop worrying that I'm going to retire in Mexico, as it will be better than retiring in America.
Mostly men. This fact says that the US is a racist nation no matter who is the President. If it was Hillary, would they be whining about women and how they get "infections," etc.? Yes they would.
I feel for all of you that watch the television programs. I thank you for showing us some of what they say. I think you should be concerned about your health having to watch such people, because it is harmful to your well being. But having to listen to this is far more harmful. Audio memories are much more sublime than the video we can see when our eyelids close. Try to get transcript first and avoid listening. Your chance at remaining healthy should be enhanced greatly.
Friday night on his show Maher said that we're a stupid country. Truer words were never spoken. We should give some basic skills and knowledge tests to our citizens. If they don't pass they shouldn't be allowed to vote or even speak in public. Stupidity should be considered a crime!
"These are the same people who can't figure out where to put the stamp on their email" Bill is right.
is intended to be a factual statement
Notice how they talk about suicide, assisted death, death panels. They have shifted the debate by introducing these bogus exaggerations. Now the Demos spend all their time saying "Our plan doesn't kill old people." And the denial just reinforces the Republican straw man argument because paranoid people don't believe the democrats. Diabolical and brilliant at the same time.
Why don't they come out and forcefully SCREAM THE TRUTH FROM THE BULLY PULPIT???
pussies. Just no other explanation.
Logan's Run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUUnc1M0TA
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thanks ys.
Beware the Obama care that puts a crystal in your palm.
And never trust anyone over 30.
One thing is that we would all be in much better shape not only from having the sex of our lives, but also from running like hell. Also, I don't think many people would have time to make war.
Although I completely agree with the general thought in this report, I take exception to the idea that Pat Buchanan "literally" had a hissy fit. If he "literally" did that, it would be on YouTube by now with 10,000,000 hits. The same goes with Buchanan's head literally exploding---I doubt that that could happen. Not literally, anyway. Maybe something confined to the internal workings of his "mind," somehow akin to an explosion--- it is indeed very possible that that has already happened within the past six months.
Literally.
Logan's Run really did happen.
Back in the 70's.
The correst choice would have been figurtively.
Unless hissy-fits come in degrees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eswySKM9Y3s&fe...
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The degrees are major and plain. Oh, yeah. And justifiable.
Why aren’t any of these tea bagging republicans committing suicide in order to prove their point?
There have been plenty of conservative martyrs lately killing themselves, going to prison and the likes. The thing is, they always take a few people down with them. (i.e. Scott Roeder, Jim Adkisson, numerous gun nuts...).
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
that Buchanan always appears to have the sun in his eyes, despite being indoors?
The sunlight/disinfectant is killing him.
I'm just amazzed that he can survive in the sunlight; I thought his type had to return to the casket before surise every morning.
Chapter 23 (Mina's telegram), about a 1/3 of the way down:
http://www.ferncanyonpress.com/vampires/dracu...
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That's the way I look all the time too ronny.
It's called stoned.
Well I'm glad you brought that up Kurt.
Here's an article on a public effort to encourage teens to smoke pot instead of drinking alcohol.
The more you know --==***
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Remember a few weeks ago Pat was on Scarborough's show and said Todd Palin should take Levi to the lake and hold his head under the water until he stopped moving? This morning Levi was talked about on the Scarborough show again. It was something about him attending a teen award show with some actress or something. They asked Pat what he thought of Levi going to this event and being in the news again and Pat said, Lock and load.
He sure seems to find it easy to talk about killing people.
The one time I admired pat was when he wrote the editorial against the invasion of Iraq. That was the one time that I remember.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
He was only against the Iraq invasion because he didn't want white people dying in a land of non-whites for no apparent reason. (He may have been OK with the idea if the U.S. could send ONLY non-white military members over there.)
Had they been communists, though, he would have been gung-ho on the war.
His reasons he gave at the time were very well thought out and smart. I don't know what happened to him since then but it wasn't good.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Pat has been known to buck the neocons on occasion, but I think he's had to co-opt some of their opinions to stay in the media eye.
Publicity/fame/glamor/whatever can cause some people to go against their own beliefs to maintain their sense of relevance. Look how quick David Gergen and Dick Morris were to moderate their views when they had the opportunity to work in the Clinton administration.
(And don't get me started on how Holy Joe changed his tune when asked to be VEEP by Gore.....)
So, I guess people like Pat and Sarah also believe that your local Priest, Pastor or Rabbi, wants you dead also. Not to mention Hospice care. This is what this bill is offering, counseling like the above mentioned. Only difference a doctor charges you for the counseling and this bill will pay for it. They are scaring the hell out of the old people for the corporations profits. How do these people sleep at night?
is intended to be a factual statement
I have a feeling elderly people are thinking, maybe I would rather be dead than live in a world run by the likes of Palin and Monica and Pat.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Anyway the body isn't a permanent thing . . nothing is here in this realm.
We can't keep everyone alive forever.
Far too many people on the planet as it is, either we sort it out or mother nature will.
Tis no threat, just the way it is in interdependent systems.
Maybe these people are afraid of the eternal lake of fire they will be burning in for having lied, cheated and scammed so much money and power? I mean, they can't be thinking they're going to heaven otherwise they'd be excited about passing on.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
You suggestion pre-deposes they have the ability for logical reasoning ........ now if the majority did, the US wouldn't be in the toilet.
I think this is a tacit admission they've got nothing.
They could argue that it'll explode the deficit, or might result in shortages, price setting Laffer Curve etc.,
But after 8 years of boosh-league economics people would laugh at them.
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there's big money in keeping people's organ(s) live when the person has absolutely no chance of living. i'm not sure about the bill but my guess is this is more spin for the evangelicals/ins. people. both of my grandparents chose to pass away at home with nursing care. they did not want to kept "alive" artificially.
When Palin talked about the death forums or whatever it was she called them, we all just could not believe the stupidity. Now all of them are talking about it like it's the truth. They are saying it enough to water the shock of such a thing down and the more they do this the easier it is for them to use it. I guess nothing is too insane for the baggers to grasp on to and run with today.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Death panels
From her walking into too many doors.
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Death Panels.
Was the last holdout of Sunday shows I would watch. It used to have moments of sanity. No longer. Don't watch anymore. Except this:
http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/snl-dana-car...
Sometimes it is hard for her to shut the asshats up, but she holds her on. That Monica Crowley is a worthless fake journalist who does nothing but try to spread talking points from the likes of people like Bill Kristol and Newt Gingrich.
I'm sure they'd like to hold hers.
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permanently. The only channel that it still gets is,
Home Shopping Network.
Watching and listening to that video was truly painful. When Mort told the Eleanor to let him finish a sentence she should have smacked him.
When the moderator asked if it was against the law to attempt suicide that's when he lost me. If he didn't know the answer to that, he shouldn't even be on tv.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
LOL . .
Zach returned home and asked the nanny to get lost, then told his boys that their mother would always be there. Liza dropped by but he insisted that she leave him alone, as well, then poured himself a drink and listened to a creaking noise coming from upstairs.
Other than I didn't edit out an extra "the", what do you mean? Was it because I used first names?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
are like soap operas now.
We do the Recaps here.
You seem very familiar with soap opera speak. ;)
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
LOL . . .
John McLaughlin unwittingly answered the question of health care... period:
"...is this not a matter of God?".
If, and I say IF, that is the concurrence of the "majority" of all the American populous... why not abolish all health care for anyone?
That, will definitely drive the "cost curve" down.
While watching my 94 year old Grandmother die peaceably, with the help of pain management, before my eyes...I would tell all of these pompous asswipes to cry out for an option on how to leave this world when faced with the same situation...and my guess is...their choice would be the same.
What, as a human species, have we become...that we cannot foresee the very same thing happening to our "end of life" scenario that we must all face one day, and turn that moment into a political irrational discussion...for the sake of who controls what in a political arena?
Unbelievable.
Pat is simply modelling the stoking of fear and anger he believes will bring the republican party back to power. He has stated he believes enough angry, scared while people can be brought together to bring the white right back to power without minority support. Pat believes this is a good thing unfortunately. He is not crazy, just wrong as hell but quite deliberate in what he is doing and holding up as a model for righties to get power. Expect Pat to continue showing the right wing what he feels is the only way back to power. Now, let us all hope his theory is wrong politically, not just morally.
has always been a racist.
He is living his worst nightmare at the moment.
in prison. Ladies, do you think he is an autumn or a winter?
McLaughlin is the straight worlds answer to the Mahavishnu Orchestra.
LOL
Ha! Birds of Fire! What was the other one from that era?
McLaughlin is somewhat deluded.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Something this TV McLaughlin is clueless about.
Yes, Pat Buchanan has just had a complete mental meltdown since President Obama got elected. when you live under a delusion all your life, reality can really sting.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Next thing you know, "Deathers" will be claiming that we want to turn the dead into green crackers!
Gotta love when the belt-way insider punditville gang throws around phrases like Grandpa John's "it's up to god, isn't it?" in reference to end-of-life-issues. Grandpa John loves to portray himself as the ultimate independent who happens to live, work and breath the beltway and who is an elitist's elitist.
We live is such a far-right nation that COUNSELING, yes, COUNSELING is seen as a dangerous thing. The MSM and the Right are so repressed and enmeshed in the politics of fear-mongering and religion that things any sane person would embrace like COUNSELING, prevention, analysis, etc... are seen as signs of the devil.
These people are not friends.
TV is not your friend.
Republicanism is a mental illness.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
grotesque
You asked "Does anyone else think that Pat Buchanan has just had a complete mental meltdown since President Obama got elected?"
I have watched Pat ever since he was Nixon's speech writer. I do not thing he has changed at all. He is your classic pale faced, well-spoken, delusional, Scots/Irish conservative 'bully-boy'. He could almost be a BO clone, except he has enough brains to actually debate a subject.
Pat Buchanan, John McLaughlin and Monica Crowley. What a wonderful thought, the end of their lives! Could we make it quick?
..stupid, f-ing people. The monumental stupidity is just about intolerable. And to be feeding it the paranoia and spreading it on a national television news show when THEY SHOULD BE DEBUNKING IT, to me, borders on the criminal! I mean, let's just say, the commentators actually believe this pshht; why don't they show the American people the chapter and verse of the "death panels" in the bill? Why, well..you know why..because ITS NOT THERE STUPID! NEVER WAS! NEVER WILL BE!
Oh for five minutes with these idiots to do nothing but scream at them for being STUPID! IDIOTS!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
"This past legislative session, Pawlenty ended the General Assistance Medical Care program. GAMC covers most homeless Minnesotans. They'll lose that coverage come March.
"People on anti-psychotic meds who are trying to figure out, 'Well do I wean myself off? How do I do that?' People with diabetes [who need to take] insulin. These [are] real life or death issues. They're scared," said Lange."
Here is the link
http://wcco.com/politics/human.rights.homeles...
If you are homeless, have diabetes, are insulin dependant, and live in Minnesota, Govenor Tim Pawlenty wants you to die......
ALL THREE OF THEM ARE BATSHIT CRAZY. CROWLEY MAKES MY SKIN CRAWL SHE IS SO EVIL.
I don't watch Reslug political hacks that are racist, biased and downright liars. Never an honest answer from the so called media. I believe the idiot Reslugs will pay dearly for their lies and dishonestly about healthcare.
Screw Buchanan. MSNBC needs to fire his ass immediately.
I have a very important observation. It has not been addressed that I have seen. Why the hell have the MSM not come out and say that this euthanasia if nonsense? I mean the MSM News. NBC Nightly News. Brian Williams. CBS, ABC CNN? (Notice I left out Cluster Faux) Why have they not said explicitly that it is not true that there are no "Death Panels?" Sure they report that Sarah Palin said this on her Face Book page or that somebody else said it but they do not say "This is not true folks. This will not happen." They don't even have to say it is a scare tactic. Or that it is insane. All they have to say it is not true. Period. Of course they could mention that Obama is not a Nazi as well but that may be too much to ask. Please Old people watch the network news. They don't watch MSNBC. At least the ones who are being scared by this bull shit.
In the neither here nor there, the McLaughlin group is *the* most useless show on PBS since Tucker Carlson left (Thank god)
I've watched so many GOP talking point get aired there, and then watched Eleanor Clift get shouted down when she tried to reality check those talking points. It's often four conservatives and Eleanor Clift.
Which wouldn't be so bad if it was *ever* the other way around, but even the good days it's 3 to 2, and one of the three is acting as the referee.
Plus Monica Crowley is where neurons go to die anyway.
Jonnan
PBS has actual news on it's channel like NOW, Bill Moyers, Charlie Rose and Newshour. CBS has crap like the McLaughlin Group.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
We don't want people to commit suicide, we want to condemn them before a death panel. You're through, Grandma. No more soup for you.
We already have this issue. It's called a Do Not Resuscitate clause.
Some of these people are just so fookin stupid.
It's not about any medical issue. It's about hatred.
That, and individual rights. Hey GOPers? Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
It's about Choice.... ooooo, there's that word again.
Freedom Of Choice!
What is your conceptual, continuity?
They are starting to respond. It would be a good idea to ask them here on these comment pages to call for a press conference.
Now unless the Scum and Trash in the Insurance Industry can dictate policy so the whole thing fails the LIES IGNORANCE and HATRED will persist. This is about a BLACKMAN being PRESIDENT nothing more and nothing less.
This is about weak kneed COWARDS that REFUSE to stand up to the money remember you IDIOTS the summer is over I will not forget you CLOWNS are on TAPE Voice and Print so start looking for jobs as far as McLaughlin goes one picture is worth a thousand words to old to think so he sprouts what he is TOLD to say. Scared old WHITE MAN.
will consider suicide since the country is no longer as white as he wants it to be
you beat me to it!
...discussion and no one mentioned Terry Schiavo -- which is the potential model for anyone without a living will.
Of course, this is the McLaughlin Group so reasoned discussion isn't an option.
In the end, one can only conclude that Republicans are too insane to be allowed any power and Democrats are too stupid. I got the impression that McLaughlin wants his religion to dictate my options. Shouldn't end of life decisions be left up to God? What an ass.
I want the Cons to commit suicide to save the world?
If you ask me the republicans are commiting political suicide.
Just think of all the money the insurance companies are denying care to afford all their ads, paid hacks, and congressional officials.
The government never saves taxpayer's money. The government doesn't even know how much money is coming or going because of years of shabby record keeping by so many government agencies.
I don't get it. Out of one side their mouth they talk about tax-and-spend liberals. Out the other side of their mouth they talk about Democrats trying to save money. Which is it? The Republicans will say anything -- as long as there is someone who believes it.
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