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CNN's Candy Crowley spoke to Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman about the situation in Libya and whether the United States should get more involved in supporting the uprising there. Of course they think we should be imposing a no-fly zone and providing arms to the protesters so they can defend themselves.

So as usual they want the Unites States injecting themselves militarily into another Middle Eastern country and potentially into the middle of another country's civil war. What could possibly go wrong?

And McCain had lots of tough talk about war crimes tribunals for the mercenaries brought in by Muammar Gaddafi. Too bad he doesn't feel the same way about what we did to the Iraqis.

Transcript via CNN.

CROWLEY: Senators, thank you both for joining us after what has been a particularly busy week for you I know. Let me start some place that I know you haven't been but which is in the headlines now and that's Libya. The U.S. and the U.N. have frozen Libyan assets. They have imposed an arms embargo. They have banned travel for Gadhafi and some of his top aids. They have referred what Gadhafi has done to his own people, which is turn his army on them, has been referred to a criminal court and yet there is no change in behavior.

Senator Lieberman first to you, is there anything that you believe could change the behavior of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi?

LIEBERMAN: Well, this is a real moment of choice for the international community. Believe me, what we are hearing is the Arab world is watching. Will the future be the peaceful democratic revolution that's occurred in Egypt leading to democracy or will the world stand by and allow a leader like Gadhafi to slaughter his people? I'm glad there are sanctions being applied and some pressure morally at least and some economic put on Gadhafi, but honestly I think the world has to do more.

I begin with the imposition of a no-fly zone so that Gadhafi can't be attacking his own people from the air or flying in more mercenaries. I think we ought to recognize the opposition provisional government as the legitimate government of Libya and we that ought to give that government certainly humanitarian assistance and military arms, not to go in on the ground ourselves but to give them the wherewithal to fight on behalf of the people of Libya against a really cruel dictator.

CROWLEY: And Senator McCain, Senator Lieberman brings me to my next question which is, is there a military option, Senator McCain, as far as you're concerned in Libya for the U.S. or for NATO or the U.N.? Is there a military option other than to try to enforce a no-fly zone?

MCCAIN: Well, I think there possibly could be. But look a no- fly zone, Libyan pilots aren't going to fly if there is a no-fly zone and we could get air assets there to ensure it. Recognize some provisional government that they are trying to set already up in the eastern part of Libya, help them with material assistance, make sure that every one of the mercenaries know that any acts they commit they will find themselves in front a war crimes tribunal. Get tough.

And I understand that America's security and safety of American citizens is our highest priority. It is not our only priority.

CROWLEY: You sound slightly critical, if I'm reading between the lines, of the Obama administration kind of holding back on its criticism of Libya, administration officials tell us because they were worried that Americans in Libya would be taken hostage or worse.

MCCAIN: Well, the British prime minister and the French president and others were not hesitant and they have citizens in that country.

America leads. America is -- here we've been to these countries and every place we go they are looking to America for leadership, for assistance, for moral support and ratification of the sacrifices they have made in defense of democracy. America should lead.

The president should reverse the terrible decision he made in 2009 to not support the demonstrators in Tehran. Stand up for democracy in Iran and tell those people that we are with them. And that should be true not only throughout the Arab countries but as far as china and other parts of the world as well.

CROWLEY: Senator Lieberman, the president has said it's time for Gadhafi to go, that he's turned weaponry on his own people and no one could lead like that and he should leave. It seems to me that you all are going a step further. So to you senator, first of all do you agree that the president has been too slow to criticize Moammar Gadhafi? And it seems to me that you were suggesting that we should send weapons to rebel forces.

LIEBERMAN: I understand why the administration hesitated at the beginning because of the concern about American personnel at the embassy but frankly, I wish we had spoken out much more clearly and early against the Gadhafi regime. And we have lines of communication certainly through the foreign ministry and we could have told them at the same time we were condemning Colonel Gadhafi's brutality that if he laid a finger on any American who was there he would pay for it and pay for it dearly.

The fact is now is the time for action, not just statements. The sanctions that were adopted but unilaterally by the United States and now by the U.S. really have some effect on the people in the top positions in the Libyan government and hopefully it will lead them to think twice. But the kinds of tangible support, no-fly zone, recognition of the revolutionary government, the citizens government and support for them with both humanitarian assistance and I would provide them with arms.

This takes me back to the '90s in the Balkans when we intervened to stop a genocide against Bosnians. And the first we did was to provide them the arms to defend themselves. That's what I think we ought to do in Libya.

I hope that the opposition forces may end all of this by going into Libya and taking it over and ending the Gadhafi regime. But if they don't, we should help them. MCCAIN: Candy, I think his days are numbered. The question is how many people are going to massacred between now and when he leaves? We ought to shorten that time frame as much as possible. I believe we can.

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can earmark some funds for our intervention. I am sure the Marine Corps is just itching
for a reprise of theiur hit "Shores of Tripoli."


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

diffrntdrummr's picture

Obama hasn't thought of any those actions.There will be only a couple of more days before things are resolved and I know that behind the scenes plans are being made. So in the mean time, why don't those two meatheads just sit down and shut up?

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

They're innately incapable of sitting down and shutting up... gotta keep trying to be relevant...

Hopefully, before too long, they'll just be mumbling incessantly in retirement homes somewhere.


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Tax the Rich's picture

McCain will die in office. If he lives another six years, he will run again, and win in bigotland...., I mean, Arizona.

Remember Strom Thurmond? he looked like Captain Pike from the original Star Trek episode. But there he was, drooling in the Senate Chamber and soiling his depends.


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Got a point there... but Traitor Joe?... glad I'm not from Conn.


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Geronimo.'s picture

Where's McCain and Liebermann's butt buddy Lindsey Graham??


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Comrade Rutherford's picture

How dare we NOT invade Libya when the interim council begs us not to! When the Libyan people, recently liberated from Gdaffy's rule, beg the US NOT to interfere, we have a duty to invade!

The oil companies that Bush normalized relations for have far more say on what the Libyan people should be allowed to do with their nation than the people themselves.

How dare Obama not have invaded yet! What is he waiting for? An engraved invitation from the oil companies???

The Libyan people do NOT want any foreigners to get involved in their revolution, therefore we have no choice but to bomb all infrastructure and cluster bomb everyone in sight. It worked in Iraq and Afghanistan, we successfully turned those people against America for centuries to come, we can do the same thing with Libya!

It is always that way with cowards.


Christianity. What a damnable disgrace.

CafeenMan's picture

But THE DEFICIT!!!! THE DEFICIT!!!!

Phylter's picture

I know! Tax cuts for the rich and smash the unions! These two wrinkly old fuckers should be on Shutter Island!

Fed Up and Tired's picture

Issue two muskets and deploy those two fools!

drshatterhand's picture

It would be past Grandpa McCain's bedtime, and little joe's not allowed to "make fire" after sundown on fridays.

NavSpecWarVet's picture

These two old fools just love to send young men off to die for what they believe in. Assholes.

paulfooter's picture

...from when he was calling the mideast pro-democracy events a "virus". I'm sure he'll sing a different tune if his finger detects the wind blowing some other direction.

Ryoko's picture

We should be more involved with the violence in Libya. I vote we give Holy Joe a rifle and a backpack and ship his sorry ass to Libya with a card that says "Lot's of luck. Don't come back."

OldKoloa's picture

Send those 2 old farts over there then.


America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Shorter McCain and Droopy Joe:

"If they're Arab, nuke 'em till they glow and use 'em for runway lights for the incoming oil companies"


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Steve E's picture

and their facilitator on TV. Please hand me the remote asap.

Harry the Cat's picture

I think we're all getting tired of this duo's "My Fellow Americans" act - cute idea when it started, but way past its relevancy. But they keep taking it on the road and the media keeps buying...

I assume Lieberman is Lemmon and McCain is Garner, however both actors seemingly knew when it was time to call it a day and effectively retire.

boycottfaux's picture

No have no problem with our government, i.e. senators, getting more involved with Libya. These two guys, along with any other government official or faux employee who thinks we should be more involved should be welcomed to go.

Let those who are in favor LEAD THE CHARGE . .

I'll chip in for their fuel . .

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

If it's those two, I'll chip in for their ammunition... I know I'll get every round back in pristine condition.


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Roket's picture

Thank you Candy for that incisive interview. Your presentation of prepared questions was impeccable and of course the prepared responses from the two esteemed Senators was a stellar performance since you could barely see their eyes move as they read from their teleprompter [all caps].!!!111!!1!11!!!!!

You can fool all of the people some of the time or some such.

MacJr's picture

Is that what Lt. General Caldwell told you to say, fellas?


Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

Paul's picture

Good one! LOL.

miss_kitty's picture

YOU DO IT. Get suited up and get going. McCain, you fly the plane, Holy Joe will sit pillion.

yakfitguy's picture

Holy Joe needs a one-way trip to the Holy Land...uh...cough...I mean Israel....uh cough.....I mean the government he actually works for.


I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie

sort of upsets me that there are people who say we shouldn't get involved at all (it feels cruel to not do anything for them), *but* on the other hand, and this is a big but, I don't trust any ideas or suggestions these two men make, especially in light of how well "helping" Iraq and Afghanistan has gone.

So the best thing is to actually listen to the Libyan people and see how/if they want our help, and then do that. It's just hard watching and waiting though.


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

We've shown over the years we're pretty good as a nation at breaking things and killing people (what war really is, anyway).

Building up and helping nations on their feet? Not so much, Israel excepted, of course.


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Annaleigh's picture

*


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

Sierra Matt's picture

"......*but* on the other hand, and this is a big but, I don't trust any ideas or suggestions these two men make, especially in light of how well "helping" Iraq and Afghanistan has gone."

Your 'big but' is right on target, Annaleigh .

(Sorry, couldn't resist the cheap joke,)

that. ;)


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

barkleyg's picture

Lawrence Wilkerson ( Secretary of Defense Colin Powell's Chief of Staff) was being interviewed on Al Jazeera English TV yesterday and was asked about the McShane and LIEberman statements. He basically said" look who is doing the talking" in a belittling way and went on to the next question.

Al Jazeera English puts our national networks to shame in their coverage of the current Mid-East crisis.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

I hope people REALIZE that this last month, and for months forward, this period of time will be of historical significance( and I think GOOD), and we can basically watch it LIVE!

Does anyone remember Marshall McCluen(sic) "The Medium is the Message" ? and it gets faster every day

Amitola's picture

He's been one of the few high-ranking folks form the Cheney administration to speak the Truth about what has transpired in the past decade...on all fronts.


"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy

Rightway's picture
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Annaleigh's picture

And the literate one too! Not to mention so courageous!


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

barkleyg's picture

Isn't the OC, Ca the birthplace of the John Birch Society, where it alive and sick as ever!
Isn't Orange County,Fl known as JBS, Southern Division?

I am stunned, I mean Just STUNNED, that a private contractor from Orange County would be anti-union!

I look forward to your profanity-laced name-calling violence-punctuated email.

yakfitguy's picture

"Rightway"

Member for 1 day folks. Man, these right-wing trolls need to be better at subterfuge.


I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie

Less US Government Involvement in the US!

Paul's picture

are mentally ill and spiritually diseased. They should be confined for their own good and ours.

cadfile's picture

It is real simple why President McCain and his boy Elroy are so interested in Libya.

Same reason neo-cons wanted to invade Iraq. Look at all the oil companies who have assets in Libya.

Don't want the Muslim Brotherhood controlling "our" oil

yakfitguy's picture

True, it would please the Pentagon to have another friendly supply of crude.

The money however, is in distribution and oil equipment, not oil itself. Cheney and his buddies at Halliburton specialized in that.

I'm sure these 2 craven wastes of oxygen would love to help their oil-services buddies force Libya to buy over-priced "projects" to "improve" Libya's oil infrastructure.

Even better, help the Libyans pay for it with American tax dollars like the Iraqis have!


I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie

Steve E's picture

from what I understand Britain gets most of the oil in Libya or whatever is produced. This fact if true, makes for an interesting scenario.

yakfitguy's picture

I've noticed Britain was the first to advocate possible military action. Hmmm....


I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie

The fucking nerve of some countries.

yakfitguy's picture

Tweedle-dee and Tweedle_dum on again huh?

Why...WHY do these fossils from the dumb-shit era still get air time? How wrong do you have to be and still retain credibility?


I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie

Tax the Rich's picture

i think the average age of a GOP Senator has got to be 60 to 70. No worry about them being drafted.


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Oh, Goddess... now I'm going to have a picture of Droopy Joe in full battle dress... that's going to be making me laugh in public at inopportune moments this afternoon...


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Medical Diagnosis by Video's picture

...those two don't have the capacity to surprise us!

RuperttheBear's picture

I urge greater involvement in McCain and Lieberman shutting the fuck up.

Mike The Riverine's picture

Aw, Christawmighty, just who we needed to hear from again:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/muppets%20...

The Statler and Waldorf of foreign policy. Gramps McPisspot and Droopy Dawg.

Hey, how 'bout a nice cup of shut the fuck up?


Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years

Different Anonymous's picture
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Once again, kudos are in order to the crack C&L team for the screen grab that puts Grampy and Droopy in their very own Punch and Judy puppet theater, just like the puppets they are. Well done lads and lassies.

Coulda had a V-8's picture

I concur with these two, outstanding, courageous, principled statesmen and applaud their willingness to lead by example in these challenging times.

I can't wait for the CNN footage of them leaving their tailor (Mr. Rambo of Poughkeepsie) in the latest designer combat gear, inviting Candy Crowley along for an Exclusive! filmed in exciting Night Vision Green as they infiltrate Qadaffi's lair, guns a'blazin' and arms akimbo, to take out the trash (but only after some really cool Matrix-style fighting and bitchin' tag-lines) when Qadaffi tries to make their day.

'Cause that's what Real He-Men do. Just ask the nearest Teabagger.

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Kinda hard to blaze the guns with one's arms akimbo, but OK...
*smile*


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Coulda had a V-8's picture

*snort* Typical librul. That's what happens when you give Oscars to movies about foreign dudes who stutter instead of movies about god-fearin' manly he-men American hero patriot conservative commie-killers like Chuck Norris and Joe Lieberman.

Obviously you've been too busy practicing your saxophone (woodwind, go figure!) to get briefed on the latest in Top Secret hardware, like unlimited-capacity magazines and no-rise muzzles, and Spec Force Ops Beret Commando combat tactics like the almighty sideways double-gat throwdown (as demonstrated by this Patriot: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bclcsDdg29s/0.jpg ).

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Nah... been doing keys and guitar, but you're right... I missed that briefing, and I'm on a lot of vet boards... gotta pull my head up from the MIDI keyboard a little more often... of course, my fiancee would agree with that... for other reasons... ahem.


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Paul's picture

Did you know that among his many accomplishments he has counted to infinity? Twice? That's the kind of thing that real American heroes do, it's not just killing brown people all day and then home for dinner.

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Nah... he tried counting halfway, figured it was too hard and counted back to zero again.


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

pissed off patricia's picture

If I remember correctly Sec. Gates recently said anyone thinking of invading another country with our military "should have his head examined". So step up John and Joe for your head exam and yes, you will have to remove it from your ass before the exam can begin.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Hey, at least Gramps can have his done at the VA... Joe... not so much...
Of course, anyone with a wife named Hadassah's gotta have at least ONE doctor in the family... *grin*


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

That is what it's really all about. While feigning humanitarian concerns. Let the U.N. start earning it's keep.


Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime

derekthered's picture

i wonder, someday will it all come out through a foia request that all these uprisings were cia agit-prop setups?

berniem's picture

Speaking of war crimes, and not just those recently committed by our glorious military, didn't Jet Jockey Johnny commit a few bombing civilian targets in Nam? As for Lieberman, why does anyone even talk to this moron? And don't the people of Conn. have any sense at all?

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Hell, he committed what could have arguably been a court-martial offense on board a Navy ship, fercrissake!

And as for Lieberman, there's a whole bunch of credit and finance companies filling his coffers, and drowning out all opposition... still, ya gotta wonder...


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

Paul the Sax Guy's picture

Of course, as I'm a resident of Texas, I've probably little room to talk about other states' idiots..

*smile*


In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose

Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com

scrane's picture

Just a couple of old cowards. John McCain who became famous for crashing airplanes and Lieberman who can't even do that.

NavSpecWarVet's picture

Maybe McCain could offer Qaddafi refuge in one of his many houses. Then the whole thing would be over. And Grandpa McCrankypants would be seen as a great hero again. Droopy could go over there and escort him to Ariizona or California or anyone of half a dozen other places where McCain owns houses. Win-win.

LeftCoastDan's picture

It is WAY past time to put these kooks out to pasture!!!

bilhelm-x's picture

Push them from a plane over Tripoli. I'll donate the last of my 401k which both helped bankers destroy just 3 years ago, McCain can show Jew Lieberman how to fight!

the hunter's picture
Go

I agree so we should send some one in an that we should give these 2 moranns 2 m16 rifles and send them in who would be better then two pepuck senators with the great idea.

Edwin's picture

"Freedom Fighters" for Libya. Seen that before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipszh14WPFY


far left loon >.<

JohnnyBravo's picture

Send in more young men to die for the profits of rich old men.


NOBODY 2012

Scottie's picture

Statler and Waldorf need to get off the news and go back to the Muppet Show....oh, wait...

From Reuters, August 19 (2009)

U.S. Republican Senator John McCain praised Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi for his peacemaking role in Africa and said Congress would support expanding ties, Libyan state news agency Jana said on Friday.

U.S.-Libyan relations have dramatically improved since Tripoli's decision in December 2003 to give up its weapons of mass destruction programmes, with diplomatic ties resuming in June 2004 after a break of more than two decades.

"McCain and the delegation accompanying him confirmed the importance of expanding further the relations between Libya and the United States. The Congress would back the measures to be taken to achieve this aim," Jana said. It gave no details.

Since Washington ended its major sanctions on Libya, U.S. energy companies including ExxonMobil and Chevron have been active in Libya.

McCain, heading a four-member Congressional delegation, held talks with Gaddafi's son Mouatassim, the powerful national security adviser, before meeting Gaddafi himself.

"Senator McCain and the delegation with him expressed their deep happiness to meet the leader and praised him for his wisdom and strategic vision to tackle issues of concern to the world and his efforts to sustain peace and stability in Africa," Jana said.

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