November 11, 2008 05:31 AM
Matthews to Todd Harris: You Speak With A Forked Tongue
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Chris Matthews calls B.S. on Todd Harris for the double standard Republicans have whereby they can come in with slim wins and do exactly what they want and claim a mandate for themselves, and then expect Democrats to pussyfoot around and apologize for being there when they win by large margins.
Harris replies by saying that acting that way will make Obama end up with an approval rating like Bush. Really, Todd Harris? You think that's what will happen if Obama pushes through a populist agenda against the will of the Republicans?
The 2+2=5 Conservatives have LIED so often for so long, they don't even realize that they're doing it. Whatever Obama does, they will criticize him for it. That is their shitty plan for the next four years...country last.
A little over a week ago they were saying that Obama was the most liberal Democrate in the Senate and a socialist. Now they are claiming that he won on a center-right platform. GIVE ME A BREAK!
Where?
it's Tweety.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Matthews to Todd Harris: You Speak With A Forked Tongue
OWCH!!!
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Matthews to Todd Harris: You Speak With A Forked Tongue
Oh great, yesterday scarborough was suspended for using the F-word on the air, and now tweety will have to apologize to the American Indians.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Apologize for what? The saying is "white men speak with two tongues, one for telling the truth and one for lying." It fits the repugnacans perfectly.
Obama has a plan and he knows what he is doing.
Obviously, these people are never going to realize THEY lost..!!!
They know it, they won't admit it. They intend to do all they can to retard the next Administration and will use every trick they can think of and when that does not work they will start using the *N* word.
but like all cheaters and bullies they are never going to admit it, or take responsibility for it.
Ignore them. Maybe they will find a chew toy or a ball of string...
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Good one!!
Joe Scarborough Claims Harris speaks with a "Fucked Tongue"
who run past the edge of a cliff and just keep going. The election repudiated them politically. The financial system collapse repudiated them intellectually. Completely repudiated them. Their belief in rational markets. Their disdain for regulation. Nothing's left except their media infrastructure of mockers and scowlers.
They do seem to be a bit confused about that "mandate" thingy.....Perhaps Larry Craig could clear that up for them...:)
President Obama has P-o-l-i-t-i-c-a-l Capital. Have I told you I hate these Republicans?
It's so ironic.
Todd Harris is one of the few conservative talking heads I really admire. Unlike most of them, he actually is intelligent and very likable. I sometimes get the feeling watching him that he feels uncomfortable dishing out the shit he has to dish out but, "Hey! It's my job!"
His appearance was not a tenth as embarrassing as Kevin Phillip's pathetic performance last year:
CHAMBERLAIN WAS AN APPEASER!!! CHAMBERLAIN WAS AN APPEASER!!!
He kept repeating the talking points over and over and yet he had no idea who "Chamberlain" was and what his "appeasement" meant. A classic moment of right wing idiocy.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
LOL
was an "appeaser," having pulled USer forces out of Saudi after 9/11, at the demand of OBL, nest paw?
Is it just me or does everything these pundidiots say these days sound like "Wah wah wah wah give me my rattle!" ? :D lol!
What do these idiots think CHANGE means.It means we don't give a shit what you repugnacan asshats want, we want a country that works.
Thanks for that.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Funny watching tweety LEAP to the center after kissing republicans for so long. He loves to hear himself talk. His ratings are his death sentence.....ahhhhhhhh...for some peace and quiet.
As much as I detest piles of crap that spew from the mouths of these "Conservative" talking heads claiming it was somehow a mistake that Obama was elected and the country is really right wing. I am equally tired of the Ralph Naderites, Ron Pauletts, Green, Libertarian leaning left wing nuts claim that Obama is the same as Bush. Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich , Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr didn't win the election ether and it's not some national media conspiracy so get over it. Anyone who has been alive for the last 16 years and can claim that Democrats and Republicans are two heads of the same party has a mental condition.
A little big for their britches, aren't they?
It's time they stopped obsessing about the country being led by Barack Obama and do some soul-searching about their support of GW Bush for the last eight years with his lies, fraud, illegal actions, and torture.
Republicans don't believe in government, so they don't know how to govern anybody, including themselves and their children. So, oddly, they want "family values" incorporated into government to save them from their own failures, projecting those failures on everybody else, all the while proclaiming they want less government.
The Democrats will get along just fine without their advice, which they aren't qualified to offer anyway.
That's the question he should have been asked.
too fucking right. since when did what the approval ratings were have anything to do with doing the right thing (or the wrong thing)?
the republicans just can't let go. they had 8 yrs and it's difficult to change roles. this is what scott mcclellan was speaking of perpetual politicization. although somewhat subtle they want obama to fail.
BUSH ignored the legislative branch. BUSH did what he wanted. BUSH did NOT govern he was authoritarian. BUSH may or may NOT be concerned about approval rating but his party is very concerned. NOW they will have to hear about BUSH for yrs. like we heard about clinton, who seemed to be at fault for everything.
It's kind of unseemly watching Matthews leap bravely towards the center when I remember his speech about the wisdom of the red states after the 2004 election was called for Bush. I didn't much like being dismissed as apparently stupid because I didn't vote for Bush.
And before people get too excited about Tweety, he practically has to hide a boner whenever he talks about Sarah Palin-just listen to him talking about her waving at the crowds and her connection to them-so if she runs in 2012, look out.
matthews blows where popular opinion takes him. he wants his ratings and his job.
little does he know, as starts leaning center/left, we left wingers don't forget.
Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...just watch Tweety.
I don't get these GOP talking heads. According to their logic, Obama has to govern "from the middle" despite the country electing him with campaign promises of rolling back Bush's tax cuts for the rich, getting out of Iraq within 16 months or so and talking to our enemies, and expanding and lowering the cost of health care.
On top of this, Republicans lost more Senate and House seats.
Todd,
Do something redemptive for once and do an extreme makeover of your crap ass, old white men's party immediately. Stop your idiotic wailing about how you lost and how nobody understands you. The public DOES understand and have sent YOU Neocons a message. Ignore it at your own peril.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I didn't think I could agree with Mathews on anything any more, but he is absolutely right! In the first 6 months we need to put in universal health care, change the tax structure, create the green job he has been talking about and to hell with what the republicans think about it!
Why should we care what the republicans think about anything?
They didn't care what we thought when they were shoving all this crap down our throats!
I say pay them no attention.
We know that what they do does not work. We have done it for almost thirty years now and you see the shape the country and the financial system is in, why should we keep going down a dead end road?
For once I agree with Mathews he has got six months to do his work he must get to it and get her done!
Well, Harris seems pretty much standard fare for Repugs. But I'm very uncomfortable having the intolerable hypocrite Matthews representing progressive positions. As long as this guy is a player, our national discourse will suffer. Why not just ignore him?
Way to nut up Chris Mathews!
Have you stopped drinking the Kool Aid?
'Talk to the hand'
"Gee whizz, I'm sorry for being here, I hope we don't offend the conservatives."
That made me laugh.
Matthews is absolutely right on this. This double standard is something the right has been pushing for years and the idea has even infected a good portion of the left. I'm so sick of Democrats being timid about pushing their own modest agenda. Obama's positions are in fact, already pretty centrist. Moving forward strongly and decisively on his agenda is hardly comparable to the hard right agenda the Bush juggernaut pushed through.
Sour grapes pure and simple. The GOP is severely wounded and continues to bleed out. I think if they don't start accepting reality and quit saying negative things of a man who has yet to serve his first day will only result in further alienation of those who still believe in the GOP. Something tells me the rhetoric will only get worse. They will only make things worse for their Party than it already is. The GOP has been on a path of self-destruction for so long, they don't know how to stop. I had to laugh when I heard Eric Cantor on CNN saying that the Republican Party will become the 'party of checks & balances'. What a stupid thing to say. When the Republicans were running the show, checks and balances were the farthest things from their minds while Dick and George were destroying this country from the inside out. They were too busy rubber stamping every bad policy that came out of the Bush White House. It's a different story when the shoe is on the other foot.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
Tweety has the right idea. Democrats need to start eating and talking like Dennis Kucinich, grow a set a balls.
Lets get all the bullshit reversed, a blanket bill to fix all the problems created by introducing ultra right wing legislation.
Call it the Restore-America ACT.
Progressives need to rule with a hammer and sickle.(jokes)
and I was really proud of Matthews for speaking truth to power like that. He often pisses me off, but last night was certainly an exception.
The people expect results, especially on the economy and health care. We are tired of watching the fat cats get all the breaks while our lives are falling apart around our heads and shoulders. All it takes is one health issue to wipe out a lifetime of saving and planning for your retirement. Ask me, I know.
I started to have repititious heart attacks when I was 54, and while in the hospital for my second, it was discovered I had cancer. There I was in the prime of my life after having raised my children alone with my youngest just 18 and ready for college, and bamm, I was in stage 4 lymphoma. I live in a sparsly populated state, and had to move 200 miles away to treat the condition. Being single, the only people to care for me were my three children who had to disrupt their lives too and move to care for me. The expense was enormous as you can imagine, but the alternative was to just die. Even though I had very little chance of beating the cancer, I was in an experimental program that gave me at least some hope.
But, financially, it broke me. I had to withdraw my 401k early with penalties applied of course to pay for the extra living expenses, food, utilities, etc. Over the course of 3 years, I was broke, and living on a fixed income that gives me just enough to get by.
It can happen to you! I was a middle manager with a very large corporation with solid (I thought) health insurance! Now I am totally disabled, and the stress that cancer caused on my body caused me to have three more heart attacks. I have had 5 surgeries since August 26 of this year, and more to come. Unfortunately, I worked in the railroad industry, as after two years off work, I lost my health insurance, and went on medicare and railroad retirement which is a branch of the social security system. I now have to pay close to $300.00 a month just to supplement medicare, and take 16 prescriptions daily to survive.
It should not be this way in this country. The American people are being lied to by the insurance industry, the medical industry, and their elected officials both democrat and republican.
I write my congressman at least three times a month complaining about the issues of the day. It is high time that the citizenry take as much time lobbying the government as industry does. If normal people are too busy watching football, nascar, whatever ... nothing is ever going to go our way and business will win. They are counting on us to be lazy and complacent. It is high time we tell our politicians exactly what we think in the words we use when we think about it. Be polite my ass! I yell and scream and have told them just what I think about their worthless asses, and it is time all of them get a freaking earfull as far as I am concerned!
Bush is the worst traiter to the people this country has ever seen. We can't allow the promises that were made during the campaign to go unfilled. We just can't. It is too late for me, but most of you are still young, and you certainly don't want to end up like me when you reach 54. And if you are polite, cordial, and patient with these politicians, you will. Patience does not work, and being polite and cordial is just giving them a license to do business as usual. They understand force, and that is all they understand. Be forceful, and when they lie, tell them they are god-damned liars like Matthews did.
Again, for once, I was really proud of Chris.
What this appears to be to me is the Cons trying to bully and force their ideas on the Democrats because they think Democrats are wimps. Add to that of course the constant state of denial they have for anything that does not fit within their narrow world view.
I always called it the war on reality, republicant's have been waging it for years now and I see no signs that they are going to quit.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Egad, some of you Republicans make me sick.
Sit down, shut UP, and eat your peas. The adults are here to try and make sense of the mess you made. It's galling that you will benefit along with everyone else, but we can't exactly temporarily deport your stupid asses to Siberia to a work farm where you can think about what you have done while we clean up this steaming turd you all built in the last 8 years, so it is what it is.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Really, Todd Harris? You think that's what will happen if Obama pushes through a populist agenda against the will of the Republicans?
Well, they DO have the media control and spin apparatus to push that meme, so I am sure they actually do imagine that they can create that narrative and try to sell it to the American Idol/Deal Or No Deal crowd.
Larf!
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
We need to throw this shit right back into their faces enough of the bullshit from the GOP they destroyed themselves and the public made its choices we must not condone the BS, we must confront every incident, until they realize we are on to them or they drown in their own manure!
I am so tired of Republicans and DLC Democrats (yeah I mean you Harold Ford, Jr.)screeching bipartisanship from the tops of their lungs. Bravo Chris for calling them out on this. Chris is exactly right in saying when Republicans win we hear nothing about bi-partisanship, they claim a mandate, no matter how small the victory, and in Bush's first term, a smaller majority vote total. I heard a man I respect alot, Jim Clyburn from South Carolina, repeat the mantra of centrism from Obama, not governing from the left as his mandate gave him. Obama was elected to fundamentally change the direction of this nation, a charge he promised to keep by the way. And now that he has won, we hear his camp exalting bi-partisanship. Obama, as Chris said, should not apologize for his win and pussyfoot around. He needs to come in and push his agenda. He received the largest margin of victory since LBJ, neither Regan nor Bush acheived such a victory, and yet they claimed mandates. If Obama succumbs to this style of legislating, he will not keep his supporters on his side, and thereby will only serve one term. This nation needs real, big, fundamental change. Obama must move this nation in a big, strong progressive direction if he plans to save it. FDR saved capitalism from itself after the firts great depression because he recognized what needed to be done to do so. Obama must be the next FDR and do what is necessary to change this nation and once again save capitalism. He must not shrink from this moment if he wants to go down in the annuls of history of a Great President.
Whoop his ass!
Amazing, isn't it? A year ago Tweety couldn't wait to pucker up and kiss the ass of any right winger with the slightest whiff of influence floating out of their backsides--his lips would pre-form themselves to the cheeks of Tom DeLay and Good Ol' Boy Trent. As for McCain... well, he was doing a lot more than genuflecting. Now here he is the, The Great Defender of the Liberal Cause, actually taking Wingnuts to task for their BS! All hail Tweety, the Greatest Phony of them all!
Todd Harris is such a tool. Why do they even have him on the show?
Up until the last day, election day, this tool kept saying McCain has a chance to win...what a dope. I can't stand listening to him.
I'm reminded of the old expression "eating your cake and having it too" except these guys (the sore losers) want to both eat and have the other guy's cake. Good job if you can get it. (Although it appears that Bernanke and The Bailout Bankers have indeed figured out how.)
I am quite sick of hearing the conservatives' rationalization for this election.
They would have us believe --- and I fear that it is plausible to too many people --- that this was just the Democrats' year because of Bush's unpopularity. Even many Republicans were voting this time for Obama because of how badly Bush had bungled things, but that does not mean that they have shed their basic, conservative principles. Nor has, they argue, the nation. After all, close to 48% of the people still voted for McCain.
If that seems facially plausible, and you have a hard time countering people who espouse it, here's the answer:
Of course this was the Democrats' year because of how badly Bush ruined the world. But it was his conservative, neo-conservative and theocratic policies that did that. But that's the easy part of the response. There's more.
Look at whom the Republicans nominated. They VERY PURPOSELY chose the man who was (wrongly) considered a "maverick." They VERY PURPOSELY chose to distance themselves from the hard-line conservatism by which the Republicans had governed for 12 years. Why would they do that? BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THE PHILOSOPHY WAS DYING!
Face it, Republicans, conservatism even lost your own primary! Remember all the criticism McCain received from the right? Remember how Dobson and Coulter and Limabaugh weren't going to vote for him? Because he so often crossed the aisle? Because he was willing to veer center-left? But the Republicans chose him anyway, because they saw it as their best chance at winning over the nation.
And then what happened, next? Fearing that the remaining conservatives actually would abandon him, McCain chose Sarah Fucking Palin --- the uber-conservative, authoritarian, neo-con, theocratic wet dream. While this energized Know Knothing Knation, common wisdom among even Republican operatives now is that the Palin choice HURT McCAIN! Had he chosen someone more moderate, or perhaps Lieberman (as a faux sign of more maverick-ness, and less hard-line conservatism and partisanship), he would have fared much better.
True, Palin's stupidity and lack of qualifications drove many of McCain's supporters to Obama, but her style was part and parcel of the way movement conservatives have thought and spoken for so long. PEOPLE SAW IT! Some people stuck with McCain hoping he'd not rely on Palin at all, and hoping that he'd survive his term --- meaning EVEN HIS VOTERS WERE HOPING HE'D REMAIN THE NON-IDEOLOGICAL MAVERICK AND KICK CRAZY CONSERVATIVE SARAH TO THE CURB.
Yes, we have a gaggle of Know Knothings to deal with. And no, Obama is not a liberal's dream candidate.
But this entire election, as a whole, signaled the end of movement conservatism. It has been rejected, from the beginning of this election to the end. It failed.
The Democrats might not have a mandate for nationalizing all of our industries, but they absolutely have a mandate for building up good government, finally implementing universal health care, and being genuinely progressive as they clean up the mess conservatives have made.
In other words, the election signified that the country is CENTER-LEFT.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
It was obvious that this schmuck walked into a trap. Matthews was waiting for him to bring up the mandate thingy. He pounced. Schmuck never saw it coming.
If this is what the repubs think, they will never again gain the White House in my lifetime, I'm 51. This should be sweeeeeeeeeeet!!!
What? Is he done talking about Bush's "sunny nobility" and how everyone "likes [Bush] except for the real whackjobs"?
Way to change teams when it's obvious which team the people were going to choose, Chrissy.
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