Liz Trotta Compares OWS Demands to the Unabomber Manifesto
As expected, the talking heads over at Fox and CNN are being just as dismissive of the Occupy Wall Street movement as they were supportive of the AstroTurf "tea party" movement and Liz Trotta gave us another example on Fox this Saturday, comparing the OWS list of demands to the Unabomber manifesto.
TROTTA: Well, the media's really in search of itself. I advise anybody who has a sense of humor left about this to go to OccupyWallStreet.com and what you will read is the ravings of what sounds like the Unabomber, and also the use of the word meta, a Greek degree of language, which I won't go into at the moment. But these people have plenty of words to say, but again, and I don't mean to sound, just repeat what everybody else has said, but it is unclear what they want. But it's certainly better going down there and carrying signs than going out and hitting the pavement for a job.
Now, what's interesting about this is that media seems, the liberal media is being accused of setting this up for Obama, so that he can use this as a, these people as a wedge against the Republicans in the election. I don't know if that's true or not, but the unions couldn't, the public service unions couldn't wait to get down there last week.
I'd say there's a fair amount of projection going on there given the fact that Fox and CNN did relentlessly promote the "tea party" in order to help get Republicans elected during the mid-term elections. So far the accusations made by Trotta here on how this movement was started are coming from one place in the media, and that's Fox.
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Meanwhile this Saturday, the panel on Chris Hayes' new show on MSNBC discussed the equally dismissive coverage we saw from CNN's Erin Burnett of the protests as well. (Video below the fold)
she's a shrill harridan at best. She's likely of the very group that OWS is railing against. So of course she wouldnt get it. She feels threatened and is lashing out. Good it's working.
..is the same eliminationist rhetoric pimp that once called for Obama's assassination on Fixed News.
There was/is still a petition about it:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fox-news-has...
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in excess body fat & carrying a misspelled sign.
Who the hell's Liz Trotta?
And why are they saying those terrible things about her...and her network?
"Now, what's interesting about this is that media seems, the liberal media is being accused of setting this up for Obama, so that he can use this as a, these people as a wedge against the Republicans in the election. I don't know if that's true or not, but the unions couldn't, the public service unions couldn't wait to get down there last week."
people are in the streets not for obama but because obama didn't accomplish nearly as much as they wanted him to. they finally realized he wasn't going to fix all these things by himself. i'd say many of them are there because they're fed up with obama too.
Well of course they are saying this is a set up for Obama. They are constantly aching for a fight. It is a centerpiece of what gives their life meaning.
What did you think they were going to say? That is what the right wing does, totally predictable, hackneyed, glittering generalities. Some people think that is intelligent discussion worth listening too. I must say that coming to the point of being able to predict it before it happens has left me finding it pretty shallow.
The networks need to protested too. They are part of the problem. Occupy the Media.
what I've been saying for months if not years.
Me too!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
All of them, all the time.
Turn them off and visit them instead.
Yes. This is what we must do.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Just turn them off-- and the rest takes care of itself.
far left loon >.<
is just an object lesson. Nothing illustrate what Fox Viewers are better than the fact that they would listen to such a person.
Exactly. Behold.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
not fox
although, it is pretty hard to tell the difference most of the time
'Erin Burnett' is CNNs newest corporate shill. 'Baghdad Trotta' is a FOX mis-informer.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Some guy in a hoodie wants to send her a package.....
WWFSMD?
I love boobs as much as the next guy, and I gotta say that the guy being treated to the folksy, sit down, arms circling the knees, leaning forward cleavage shot is probably just thinking, "Yeah, I'm too poor to hit the strip club, but thanks for the freebie honey."
Give CNN credit. Even Fux wouldn't give Gretchen Carlson or the other bimbos away to the peons for free.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
for ratings
Hitler Youth. What an idiot.
All too predictable. Can't be pigeonholed? Anarchy!
Wow. They're no longer just dirty stinking hippies. Now they're also dirty, bomb throwing, stinking hippies.
...that the unibomber hated Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and Bank of America and wanted to end the wars the fed the bailouts and wanted the govt to forgive student loans and stop foreclosing on peoples houses!
according to Twatta, ...either the Unabomber was mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore... or all the protesters are potential mail bombers...?
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
Trotta is a repulsive crone - needs to be put away.
http://www.cronemagazine.com/
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
couldn't the wall st cheerleaders come up with a more current boogeyman? the unabomber?
liz trotta needs to update her scare tactics
FOX Misinformation Network is just like Iraqi Misinformation Networks during the rein of Saddam Hussain.
Liz Trotta reminds me of Baghdad Bob.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Whatever happened to him anyway? Musta snuck off to retire in Syria.
where all the WMDs went?
But in doing so we spread their memes. Better to ignore this hag.
Oh so now the 1st article of the Bill of Rights means you're a terrorist? She's a piece of work.
What is it with FOX News? Do they have a bucket filled with slips of paper with offensive comparisons written on them, each commentator has to draw a slip of paper and fit the word into their comments?
And they have the nerve to call themselves FOX... wait for it... "News"? Hahahahahhh!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Naomi Klein "I Think The President Doesn't Understand People Don't Want Empathy They Want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhKiN2PBI6E
Politicians Are Put There To Give You The Idea You Have Freedom Of Choice YOU DON'T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPBs5AqDzoo
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I can't make heads or tails out of what Liz Twatta was saying. She was using words but the words didn't add up to anything. She couldn't tell you what she had read at the OWS website because it was all words. Terrorist words like the Una Bomber manifesto. How was it like the Una Bomber? Words you know like terrorist words. So you stupid ass bitch what were the fucking words? What the fuck are you trying to say? You don't get it? No shit Sherlock. Maybe they should look for jobs? Retard, there are no fucking jobs. Shut your ignorant hole.
that all the occupiers know that Fox is a propaganda company...
and not a single one would be their audience....
I think you've got it. Spite. Resentment. FOX mis-informers display every human weakness there is.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ignorance like this can't be corrected. The best we can hope for is that people like this are marginalized like they should be. Only we can marginalize them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
and I was surprised at the ideological diversity. There were socialists (even some people from the Communist Party holding up a Revolution sign), there were libertarians too. I saw some Ron Paul folks, some Alex Jones fans. It is extremely diverse, and I personally think that if this movement were to grow that would be an issue in the long run. Right now though, people agree on a number of issues like the bailouts of the banks, our socialization of their losses and there seems to be a decent amount of knowledge and well reasoned critiques of Fed policies, which I know is the stomping grounds of many libertarians.
My critique of the left is that we, in general, don't often say what we are FOR. We do a pretty good job of critiquing capitalism or neoliberalism but don't always offer up coherent alternatives. Well, here in Chicago they have been holding general assemblies every day where people across the ideological spectrum can offer up and debate policy suggestions. I like the fact that so many working people are thinking critically about these issues and are using their creativity to come up with alternatives. My biggest worry is that people on the left will try and drive people into elite controlled channels.
In the early part of the 20th century we on the left were not an appendage of the Democratic Party. The Socialist Party got over 6% of the vote. Other left of center parties had support beyond their numbers and large parts of the left were, rightly or wrongly, skeptical about voting and electoral politics all together. The labor unions were much stronger and militant and they weren't the property of any one party. We had mass social movements, a lot like OWS, that were radical and non-partisan. There was a culture on the left, mutual aid societies, different visions of society. The Democratic Party was nothing more than one vehicle among many towards change, if the Democrats wanted the left's support they had to earn it. I would like to see something like that again.
Thom Hartmann, amongst many others, has questioned whether or not we should have any radical notions, that we should channel this energy towards the Democratic Party. He mentioned the French Revolution as a danger as far as trying to radically change society and create new institutions. Don't these institutions have to prove their legitimacy? Are we not past the point where these institutions and parties' existence are assumed? If we are like the French Revolution it is in that so many people are left out of the political process and ignored. If we are alike it is because our "leaders" and the institutions they control have crumbled and have proven themselves to be illegitimate. If we are at a point similar to the French Revolution than I would say that we the general public are all the Sans Culottes. We don't need some people, "leaders" or Democrats, to turn the guns on us like Robespierre did when the Sans Culottes got in the way.
I see a lot of danger in directing the activism toward the Democrats, given that the party has a horrible track record on these issues in recent decades, is corrupt, controlled by moneyed interests and the neoliberals are still the majority in the party at the national level. He wants to reform the party by moving it left, which might make it ONE option in the future, but as of now it is a dangerous path to go down.
Seems to me that it would very dangerous to get people to channel this activism towards the Democrats. Looks like a recipe to get people disillusioned and to waste their activism. IF the Democrats can reform their party, again, maybe it can be one vehicle for change. IF, the task is daunting and will take time. Until then, I would stay away and continue the bottom up organizing and use other means. The elites, the neoliberals in the Democratic Party, would like nothing more than to take control of the movement. OWS is now independent of the Democrats, which threatens their power. They'd love to change that and to take control of the movement. Please folks, those reading this involved in OWS, think critically about going down that route.
of the left with Professor Kaczynski's.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
adults are talking. If we need a trying too hard, pretentious put down we'll call you. I am sure we will see you here mocking the left once the free trade deals pass. See ya then.
were all gainfully employed.....
just illiterate?
Isn't that their insult to everything? Lost your house? Get a job! Lost your wife? Get a job!
Can't pay your health insurance, and have cancer? Get ANOTHER job!
As Herman Caine said." If you aren't rich, that's your fault!"
Get a better job!
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And don't forget the best insult of all:
Lost your job? Get a JOB!
me-oww!
do you know how much money was made off the wars?
would have been my response....
Occupy Portland 10-06-2011 - March Footage (3 of 3)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
You weren't relevant way back when you were relevant. Retire with some grace, please.
...I CRAP bigger than you.
But I am not sure Heather has read the OWS document she linked either. If she had she would not have put the word "demands" in her headline. There aren't any.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
The woman works 27 hours a day. She doesn't need you getting pedantic about her vocabulary.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Which is why, instead of being snarky towards her as a means of getting at my real target, I should have politely asked which of those OWS demands she thought was most important in restoring the health of the middle class. That would have allowed me to point out that they spoke out against animal cruelty generally but have not been specific about demanding freedom for our non human neighbors on this fine planet we are bespoiling while enslaving them to our insatiable but curable protein misfixes.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Every comment of yours is an attack against someone personally or some pretentious, annoying put down. You come across as a miserable, angry person. It might be good for you to get off your lazy, arrogant ass and get down to an OWS meeting. Get out, meet new people, have an actual conversation with a living human being in person. Its ok to have emotions and to care about things. Really, it beats being a miserable, judgmental prick.
I regularly attack people by calling them pretentious, miserable, and angry. I talk about their arrogant laziness and refer to them as miserable, judgemental pricks.
It is good that you follow my commentary regularly and that I have had such a lasting influence on your style. Shortening your paragraphs and keeping your sentences simple will also boost your readership. Perhaps soon others besides me and Peter will follow your thoughtful offerings with coments of their own.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
you clearly are a miserable person. Miserable people go to political sites and say next to nothing of substance. Miserable people come to sites like this and spend 95% of the time mocking people (anonymously, online, to people you'll never meet). You tend to do it to people to your left and tend to focus on people who have a passion for actual issues (or aren't as articulate as you'd like, like the OWS guy who talked with Fox News). I'm not trying to zing you, just sick of seeing your pretentious, self-aggrandizing attacks against people. You "boost your readership" by getting others to defend who you are attacking or getting into a back and forth like this. People who are happy with their lives don't act in that way. Again, I'm not trying to zing you. You really do come across as a miserable prick. Say whatever you want in response, I could give a damn. Sometimes people do ignore me but at least I come here for a reason, to talk and read about issues that impact me.
I had a good conversation/debate with multiple posters a few nights ago on free trade and another on Obama's drug policy. If you can give me a link of you saying ANYTHING of substance with people here and them responding, post it. I can't imagine going to a site for no other reason than to try some lame, "witty" put downs.
First, ignore it completely. Then when the story becomes too big to ignore, totally marginalize all the occupiers. They're all a bunch of pot-smoking, bongo-playing, lazy-ass, dirty stinking hippies that just need to get a goddamn job.
What do they need? Where is their list of demands we can understand? Who is their leader?
The authoritarian right just can't wrap their minds around the idea of collective consciousness.
Watch them wriggle and squirm, getting all huffy and puffy.
Haaaaa!
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"What will it take to make it end?"
IE-- "How to we get those stinkin' hippies off our screen? Burnett's the only one who agreed to show some skin."
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
When i heard that from CNN a few days ago, i almost spit coffee out my nose!
We might want to ask CNN - What will it take to make the tea parties end? Please make them stop CNN!
CNN, Occupy Movements will end when the 99% are represented in government.
It will also take a number of things, like the following:
1) Returning to 'the people' the tax money that Wall Street embezzled, and putting that money towards saving those that were directly affected.
2) Prosecution and conviction of those at the top responsible for embezzling that money.
3) Getting the money, lobbyists, and corporate bribery out of politics
4) Passing the American Jobs Act and reviving the consumer economy
Occupy Wall Street also has a manifesto CNN, if you care to read it on air, you can start to answer your question.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
But what else is new? This skag isn't concerned with the truth anyway. She is just another sociopathic corporate prostitute pimping her master's propaganda.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I think one of the goals of the protesters should be to mock the "Late to the Party Propagandists", be it TeaNN or Fox. I'd like to see signs that say for instance "Fox Sucks Koch" or "TeaNN= Fox Wannabees".
This is a perfect example of why I laugh out loud when I hear liberal media.
It clear that Liz looked at her frig. calendar this morning and thought it said 1911 instead of 2011 ..... The good news Liz is that we understand your old and useless but at least get the message that we don't give a crap what you think !!
That old crone is almost as old as Ralph Nader. And she doesn't look near as chipper as Helen Thomas.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Trotta Liz out again eh'?
I wonder if this fascist bitch knows what a guillotine is?
These rich fucking pricks haven't a clue what they are messing with.
I heard a 60+ grandma tell me a couple weeks ago that "she was getting sick of this shit, and it's about time to go down and protest these bastards and their propaganda outlets."
Remember this Fox morons; you may be the number one cable propaganda outlet with 2 million zombies (officially viewers) daily, but that is still only .6% of the population.
And that huge Teabircher mandate of 2010 occurred with ony about 30% voter turnout. Or in other words, 17% were the loyal GOP idiot base, who would be crushed in any election that had even a 50% turnout, so don't be surprised if you lose more seats in 2012 than you won. Especially in blue states like Wis, Mich, Penn, Ohio.........and the latino's really love you guys now.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Another turd in a skirt on Fox propaganda , so what else is new ?
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
Who the hell is Liz Trotta, and why the hell should we care what she thinks?
Comparing the manifesto to something by the unabomber... predictable.
Hinting to this being extra sinister because people use a "meta-" prefix and it being from greek?? Priceless. What about other greek words? Bishop, binocular, grammaitics, geology... every other word in the language.
Oh.. and when the weather turns cold, protests like this turn more active. Been there, done that.
masters greatest fear: the People remembering just exactly who possesses all the power in this country. The plutocrats and their political puppets can only get what they want by causing the People to forget and, in forgetting, cede away their powers. The more that the People finally start remembering themselves, the worse it is going to be for the gangsters and criminals who have been parasitizing the nation for such a long time. The propagandists are going to wage an all-out manipulation offensive on this one. They are going to lie, misrepresent, push fear, ridicule whatever it takes to manipulate the empty headed and non-critical thinkers into accepting the plutocrats /criminals' agenda. Try as they will, I don't think it's going to do them any good.
Liz Trotta's criticism of OWS is like a bizarro world description of the tea party, down to the "co-opting" and "not mentioning the presidents name" (except for the tea party, they never mentioned that they got everything they wanted from Bush).
Beware of anyone promising a future full of yesterdays.
On 25 May 2008, Trotta expressed on Fox News an apparent desire that presidential candidate Barack Obama be assassinated prior to the 2008 United States presidential election.
WHY ISNT THIS **** IN JAIL?
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