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The only thing shameful here is CNN pushing another "can't we all just get along" story and lumping Kanye West, Serena Williams and Rep. Joe Wilson into the same basket, as though all of these things are equal. See look everybody. There are some black people who behaved badly this week too. That and giving Lanny Davis a format to push his Civility Project. Isn't that special? It seems Lanny just wants everyone to get along and act nicely to each other. Heaven forbid we can't have any of that "in-civil" truth telling by the likes of Jimmy Carter.

Maybe he should heed some of his own advice. I think I just found where that "great conservative thinker" George Will got his talking point on This Week. Lanny Davis--Liberal McCarthyism: Bigotry and hate aren't just for right-wingers anymore. From back in 2006 when Lanny was telling all of the dirty f#$%ing hippies to leave poor Joe Lie-berman alone.

My brief and unhappy experience with the hate and vitriol of bloggers on the liberal side of the aisle comes from the last several months I spent campaigning for a longtime friend, Joe Lieberman.

This kind of scary hatred, my dad used to tell me, comes only from the right wing--in his day from people such as the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy, with his tirades against "communists and their fellow travelers." The word "McCarthyism" became a red flag for liberals, signifying the far right's fascistic tactics of labeling anyone a "communist" or "socialist" who favored an active federal government to help the middle class and the poor, and to level the playing field.

I came to believe that we liberals couldn't possibly be so intolerant and hateful, because our ideology was famous for ACLU-type commitments to free speech, dissent and, especially, tolerance for those who differed with us. And in recent years--with the deadly combination of sanctimony and vitriol displayed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Michael Savage--I held on to the view that the left was inherently more tolerant and less hateful than the right.

Yes... he actually wrote that. Some things never change, including Lanny Davis.

Transcript below the fold.

LEMON: Bite your lip and mind your manners. These famous faces could have used that advice over the last few weeks -- Congressman Joe Wilson, singer Kanye West, tennis champ Serena Williams and others. They're outbursts have made for quite a few uncomfortable moments.

So, what's encouraging these tantrums? President Obama says it's all for the spotlight and spectacle.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: You know, and the other thing I've got to say is that I think it's important for the media, you know, not to do any media bashing here, to recognize that right now in this 24-hour news cycle, the easiest way to get on CNN or Fox or any of the other stations, MSNBC, is to just say something rude and outrageous.

If you're civil and polite and you're sensible and you don't exaggerate the bad things about your opponent, you know, you might maybe get on one of the Sunday morning shows, but you're not going to -- you're not going to be on the loop.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: So does the president have a point?

Well, let's get to our panel to break it down. We have some guests from the Civility Project, Mark DeMoss, he's in Atlanta, Lanny Davis is in D.C., and in Owings Mills, Maryland, we have P.M. Forni, the author of "Civility Solution."

Appreciate all of you joining us. You know, there's been much talk -- let's get to this and then get out of the way so we can talk that this was based in -- some of it, not all of it -- may have been based in race, and that's why people felt that they could yell at the president or have some of these signs.

Do you think it's based more in civility rather than race? I'll start with you, Mr. Forni.

P.M. FORNI, CO-FOUNDER, JOHNS HOPKINS CIVILITY PROJECT: I think that it's very difficult to determine. I think that there are fringes of people that probably for whom the race component is predominant, but I think that in America at large, the society at large, I think it was just a matter of bad manners and of incivility.

LEMON: Yes. That's exactly what your book is about.

OK. Mark DeMoss and Lanny Davis, you two -- who would have thought that you two would have ever gotten together to do this. And even some conservatives, some of them worked for former President Bill Clinton. How do you think you can help the Civility Project and getting people on the same page to get something done rather than yelling at each other?

Lenny, you start first.

LANNY DAVIS, THE CIVILITY PROJECT: I would prefer to start with Mark because he's my leader.

LEMON: Mark, why don't we do that? If he's your leader, we'll go with Mark and then we'll come to you. And go ahead, Mark.

MARK DEMOSS, THE DEMOSS GROUP: Well, Lanny and I became really became friends around a passion for this subject of civility. I have written Lanny a letter a year ago just to encourage him and commend him for what I thought was a very -- always a civil, respectful approach to people, whether or not he agreed with them. And I followed up about six months later and went to see him in Washington and we met for the first time and became wonderful friends.

LEMON: Do you think this can make a difference? Do you think people will listen to you? Because, as the president said, unless you make some sort of a spectacle or yelling or screaming, doesn't appear that you get anything done or anyone pays attention to you.

DEMOSS: Well, this segment that we're doing right now, notwithstanding, I actually agree -- tend to agree with what the president said. It is -- there aren't a lot of forums for the discussion we're having right now. And If anyone one of us tonight said something ugly or bombastic, we'll be on a lot of shows tomorrow. And I don't think any of us want to do that.

So --but I think we're making a little difference. You know, I'm just trying to encourage some discussion, some debate, and hope that we can win debates based on the strength of words and ideas and not based on our decibel level.

LEMON: And Mark, you know, I mean, Lanny, Mark, does makes a point because you don't end up in the paper, on television or on a blog or what have you saying, oh, there was a very civil discussion last night on CNN about the outrage in the company -- in the country. What you'll hear is, oh, this person said this and this person called this person that. Talk to me about that.

DAVIS: Well, I always start out saying I disagree with someone rather than starting out with the word you and accusing somebody of something. And that sometimes doesn't make great TV entertainment when you're not throwing food at someone.

But it also informs debate when two people with clashing ideas actually may contribute to people watching and thinking through an issue.

I also want to say that I'm very disappointed with a Georgian named Jimmy Carter who, since he left the presidency, has been a great example of doing good works, even though his virulent anti-Israel attitude has marred those good works.

But for him to weigh in and attribute motives to some of these folks who are genuinely angry about the economy and other issues, Jimmy Carter needs to apologize and Barack Obama has criticized a former president. I think Jimmy Carter really shamefully contributed to what we would call in-civil dialogue here.

LEMON: I have to say that that's probably going to make news right there, Lanny, that you did say that.

DAVIS: I'm a great fan of Jimmy Carter's; I have been for a long time. Aside from his anti-Israel behavior, I'm been a great fan of what he's done so much good around the world. And for him to inflame what should have been a civil debate by injecting race, and Barack Obama really smacking him down for it, which I found to be amazing, is something Jimmy Carter needs to think about.

LEMON: Lanny, we'll have to leave it -- that part of the conversation there, because the former president is not here to defend himself. But I think Mr. Forni wants to get in on this. And if you do, can you end by telling us what is the -- what's the first step here, Mr. Forni?

FORNI: Well, I wanted to say that in everyday life it pays to be considerate and kind. Can we make people listen to us by yelling and screaming in everyday life? Yes, but for five minutes. Then, in the long run, what wins -- what really wins the day is when we are perceived as having poise, having -- emanating an aura of power and repose, of being considerate people. And so, I'm not so pessimistic.

Also, the recipe, if there is one, for where to go from here, is in my opinion to be serious and going back to teaching good manners in the family and reinforcing that in the schools, making the teaching of good manners which is a training in sensitivity, which is giving our children the training of altruism in the schools as part of the curriculum.

LEMON: All right. That's good. We'll end it right there. I appreciate all of you joining us tonight for a very civil discussion about what's going on in the country. Mark DeMoss, Lanny Davis and also P.M Forni, we appreciate it.

DEMOSS: Thank you.

DAVIS: Thank you.

FORNI: Good evening.



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It is all such bullshit. The idea that any of the corporatist anchor whores knows the meaning of civil dialogue.

This is like the guy that farts loudly and then points at the other guy and says "YOU DID IT!"
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He is the lawyer for the Honduran 'Chamber of Commerce' that supported to coup! He was divisive in the primary as a clinton supporter and has not redeemed himself since!

Our Chamber of Commerce needs a kick in the backside with their stand against the people and for the HC corporations! I canceled my memberships when I heard the new President of CoC on the Charlie Rose show...He is an obstructionist to be sure!

..................the Zionist Honduran Chapter of the Chamber of Commerce? Seems to me that I read about the BLOODYISRAEL involvement in this very embarrassing coup de etate, that the USofBLOODYISRAEL thought it could slip by the OAS, and other latin American organizations and wham! They got caught with their pants down on this one. What products, raw material, or whatever is it that the greedy predators want, and at a bargin price, no doubt. This same law firm was Hillary's advisor during the campaign. Lots of smelly connections, with the propaganda blacking out any past references.

injects Carter's mideast position into the discussion and labels it
"anti-Israel behavior" as if it were a personality trait.

Lanny gets paid by Israel to speak up for them.

Who actually cares what Lanny Davis has to say?...he's a has been.

CNN cares. On second thought, maybe Rick Sanchez was not available to demonstrate his outrage at FOX or talent for tasing so their young associate/producers were forced to use Davis as filler.

That bugged me too.
Davis is typical of the pro-Israeli fanatic who see's anything less than 100% support of Israel as totally unacceptable.

"...Carter's anti-Israel behavavior..." @##%&@#?&% Lanny Davis in his #%%$ . What an oozing scumbag...Every time I see this Corpo-FuckTwit on teevee, I wanna PUKE.

You know, I think the sumbidge is a FUKEN RACIST. Think about it...Every time you see that twit on teevee, he's "counter-attacking" anyone who criticizes either Israel or Joe Lieberman, he said some pretty nasty stuff about anyone who criticizes ANYTHING either one of these does, criticism of anything related to anyone or anything Jewish gets him all in a huff and on teevee bloviating.

This encounter shown above also has some of the typical rightist meme of lefty-righty equivalence in evidence, we need to stamp that meme down every chance we get. "But you guys said Bush was a LIE-ERR...." (spoken in nasal, whiny voice)
Well, duh! He IS A LIAR. WTF do you call a liar?

Joking around hell why worry richest country on earth right? Everyone's an idol and gazillioniare.

Were only going to be losing jobs left and right for another year relax.

not left jobs due to Obamalism targeting of white Republicans.

Jimmy Carter spoke calmly and measured his words so as not to offend. These are two things the right is simply not capable of.

calmly and measured - kindness as "weakness".

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I came to believe that we liberals couldn't possibly be so intolerant and hateful, because our ideology was famous for ACLU-type commitments to free speech...

Well whaddaya know, Lanny's half way up the troll ladder:

1) Proclaim yourself to be a librul/Democrat.

2) Marvel at the level of hatred/lack of compassion of libruls/Democrats.

3) Bemoan the ad hominem attacks on your poor librul self.

Jimmy is right, there IS still racism in this country. Our inability to discuss it in any rational way guarantees there will continue to be racism in this country.

I can't recall ever hearing the word Racism once during Clinton's two terms I thought this country may have actually have gotten over it.

Then Bush and the cons came along and started up the United Nut Farming Operation States of Murica.

When Faux Noise and their ignorant sheep start complaining loudly we know we certainly hit a truth nerve with Reslugs.

)O(

Is he trying to run with the false equivalency of liberalism and fascism?

Here's Mussolini's definition of the latter:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-...

He also said in a seperate comment, "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

Good thing he wasn't around in the 80's, or he'd be Mousselini.

The former President of the USA, Carter calls the Racist Nazi Right Wing out and now this fool thinks Mr. Carter is wrong. The Chief Hate Mongers of the Faux Noise Network are even backing up, The silly Moron beck, now thinks President Obama makes a better President then the SELL OUT fool McCain. Don't forget the Head Hate Monger and Nazi Murdock oh and there is nothing wrong with the way they distort the News. Then the Buffoons of the Socialist Corporations think Mr. Carter is wrong for CORRECTLY identify the corporate Racist for what they are.

)O(

I don't seem to recall Jimmy Carter calling them ignorant red-neck crackers with s**t for brains.

He just said racism was involved, that's only descriptive, and not particularly pinned down on anyone in particular.

they are all "ignorant red-neck crackers with shit for brains."
They are differentiated by their attitudes toward black people.

and you know it.

lolz

caused by the lack of stereotyping Texans, I thought it only fair
to pick on Georgia for a change. But a new thread with Tom Delay is up, and it has video of the Bugmeister shaking his flabby booty in an Aggie T-shirt, so I better go over there.

Make sure you're sitting down, and not eating or drinking anything. "TwinkleToes" is a real ham, and the woman looks like Vitter's (trampy) wife.

since this still is saved in my computer I may as well waste this link here as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJ9ewolrC8&fe...

Talk about friggin HIGH-larious!

Thanks Ricky!

They stir the pot and then complain it's not tranquil because of... Jimmy Carter????

He hasn't got a nasty bone in his body (not that I know of.)

)O(

Well he once admitted to having a boner in his heart.

Those people who were carrying all those racist signs at the rallies were trying to engage in what YOU call a 'civil dailogue'.

What a whore you are!

If mouthpiece whore Lanny Davis critcizes him, then it is assuredly a lock that the Nobel Committee will, for the first time, award a second Peace Prize to the same person, this time for speaking truth to power.
Lanny fancies himself a mover and a shaker. In case you missed it, Lanny tried to take over the Democracy Now! discussion on behalf of his fascist, brutal, elitist clients, the golpistas of Honduras. He was piece by piece taken apart by Prof. Greg Grandin. Then Lanny tried to scream that Amy Goodman was a leftist fascist propagandist for letting Grandin talk. He finally was forced to resort to the argument that because the puschists were of the LIBERAL DEMOCRAT party of Honduras, that automatically made them progressive advocates of the little guys.
Anything that Lanny says is ludicrous and designed only to benefit whomever is paying him at the moment. One of these days Arianna Huffington is going to realize that and stop publishing his trash.
In the meantime, you go Mr. President. Tell the truth. These arguments about EVERYTHING since January 20th have been about race. Nothing more and nothing less.

)O(

I'm from Canada.. considered by its populace to be a "civil society", but I do agree that the rhetoric has reached such a fever's pace in the US that people have stopped listening and aren't thinking.
Having a civil discourse is not only necessary, it is what will identify our side from the other side.
So many people have said that the problem with the left is that we're not as loud or bombastic as the right. That's wrong. The problem is we do our best to compromise while they do not. One can stick to the principles clearly and rationally and still win.
Hell, if it worked for Obama. We can all take a page from that too.

It seems to me Lanny Davis and others are simply trying to head off any anger they most certainly will face through their lobbying efforts while they tout themselves as "pro-labor liberals." Let's take a look at Lanny Davis.

- He is a lawyer-turned-lobbyist, now working for the business backers of the recent Honduran coup. Lanny wants to talk about civility when I watched a debate on Democracy Now where Davis not civil when he preemptively tried to taint host Amy Goodman as an "ideologue". How can you have a civil debate when one side chooses not to deal with facts?
Watch it: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/7/honduras
Read more fact checking the dabate:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-grandin/fa...

Grassroots International reports, the Honduran coup regime has repeatedly suspended civil liberties and used violence to crack down on protesters. There are media reports of deaths, dozens of injuries, and disappearances in the wake of the coup regime’s crackdown. The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) has stated its concern for over 30 people missing or detained following the coup. The IACHR also expressed concern over the persecution of civil society leaders whose homes had been surrounded and fired on by military forces. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7356

- He was Hillary Clinton's major fundraiser and lead the attack on Barack Obama for his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

-Davis has been hired by corporations to derail the labor-backed Employee Free Choice Act, which would make it easier for unions to organize

-Davis was chief U.S. lobbyist of the military dictatorship in Pakistan in the late 90s and played an important role in strengthening relations between then President Bill Clinton and de facto president General Perez Musharraf.

Where dissembling economists serve as corporate 'Economic Hit-Men,' the careers of self-described 'liberals,' like Davis, suggest the existence of an attorney/ lobbyist class who act as little more than big business' empires bought-and-paid-for consigliare.

well said, i saw him on democracy now, and was shocked that he'd be on the "Civility Panel" or whatever it is.. what a joke.

Where is the mistake in lumping Joe Wilson, Kanye West and Serena Williams together? It's mana from heaven! It is the very LAST, MOST loathesome thing you could do to Joe Wilson and the Moonpie mobs. Best of all, it's absolutely accurate.

If one should be removed from this handy "grouping," it should be Williams, not Wilson.

It sounds as if the blogger begins his article here by defending Kanye West and Serena Williams. What the hell for?

In my typing confusion, I just noticed all their names start with a dubya. LOL.

As fer lani davis, I am repulsed these days to learn what neo-cons so many former Clinton people are. Rahm, Lani, others. They're killing us. Rahm Emanuel is the next Dick Cheney, Obama the next Bush and proud of it.

I'm fed up with these fake issues and the over-the-top-concern-BS that these "news" channels run 24/7... for crissakes! How about some reporting on the news in the WORLD?! instead of making up issues to discuss as if you really cared about them.

WTF?!

Lani Davis is an unperson, leave him that way! These distractions are insulting. Not the blogger here, but the source he got the video from. Don't help them play the distraction game. They're killing us.

We all know it, and as Carly Corday just said, this story is a DISTRACTION. They're trying to get us off topic.

The topic: HEALTHCARE FOR ALL. Let's just ignore this lout and move on to healthcare.

It used to be that CNN was the only news outlet virtualy free from right-wing propaganda. Well, no more. From Lou Dobbs to those new repuke commentators, to this civil issue a-hole, CNN has been really pushing a right-wing view on just about everything. So.....no more CNN. I'll get my news from the net, thank you very much.

Assumes racism Can cancel itself out. Joe wilson + Kayne West = racism equal. Of course it doesn't work that way Joe Wilson is a racist and so is Kayne West just because one racist is black and one is white doesn't mean anything other then we have two racist.

Serena Williams I don't even believe is part of this she wasn't being racist. She was just pissed off she was haveing a hard time in what she thought was "her" contest. Pride turned to anger and she couldn't handle it anymore.

Lanny...enjoying his day as the Clinton lapdog.

And has Lou Dobbs on the air. What a joke. CNN doesn't lead in anything except flagrant hypocrisy and manipulation. Time for these media shysters to clean up their own act.

Go to a blue-collar bar somewhere at happy hour, disguised as someone who works for a living. Then, when the 'news' eventually comes on the teevee, listen for those nearby who are bashing Obama. Go over and slowly weave yourself into their conversation, not tipping your hand as to whether you agree or disagree with them. Just play along for awhile, and they'll assume you're one of them.
I guarantee you that at some point they'll express something so clearly and profoundly racist towards Obama that you'll never doubt the racism of the rank-and-file GOP again.
I've done it more than once, and have been stunned at the racist comments, jokes and hate-filled diatribes I've been exposed to.
This is no bullshit; try it this Friday after work. I dare you.

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