Ouch. What can I say except the truth hurts. Of course there was just enough time for David Gregory to get a shot in at Democrats right before being saved by the bell and ending the conversation. Heaven forbid the panel is allowed to spend too much time talking about how Republicans are devoid of ideas. The difference David Gregory is who Democrats want to cut taxes for and it is not their only idea. I think the American public figured out over the last eight years, not just the last four months that most of the ideas the Republicans do have about how to run the country are bad ones.
MR. GREGORY: I want to talk some Republican politics here in our remaining moments. Michael Steele, head of the RNC, he got in more hot water this week. Gave an interview with GQ and talked about abortion, and his is how the conversation went. He was asked, "Are you saying you think women have the right to choose an abortion?" Steele says, "Yeah. I mean, again, I think that's an individual choice." "You do?" Steele, "Yeah. Absolutely."
David Frum, does that represent the Republican Party?
MR. FRUM: It should represent a view within the Republican Party. It should be permissible to say such a thing. Look, we need--I, I speak as a Republican. We need Michael Steele. He is exciting, he is warm, he has a marvelous TV presence. It--that's, that's the face that our party should be presenting to the country, and we need to support him. And the very fact that he is opening up the debate, talking with the constituencies that need to, need to be reached, these are valuable and fresh things. And I, I am just sick about the kind of level of, of attack he has taken, because we need him.
MR. SMILEY: I'm glad--I'm, I'm glad, David, that Michael Steele is there. I could never imagine 10 years ago that we'd have two parties, both headed by black men. But it's important to understand two things, very quickly. Number one, it's about the policy, not the personality. You can't put a colored face out and think that black people and brown people and women are coming just because you got a colored face out front. Number one, it's about the policy. And number two, all this infighting I think still underscores this party doesn't know who they are, where they're going or how they're going to get there.
MR. FRUM: Well, but both of those are positive things. He's not a black face, he's just a different face. We need different kinds of people. And it isn't that you think you put a black face on the party and you'll get black voters. You put a different face on the party and you'll get different voters.
MR. SMILEY: But the policy, but the policies have to change, too. That's my point.
MS. KAY: But...
MR. FRUM: And--but the first step to making the policies change is saying it's possible, there's room. And his kind of knocking down the walls is saying we can have a wider discussion in the Republican Party than we've allowed ourselves.
MS. KAY: Isn't...
MR. GREGORY: Katty:
MS. KAY: Isn't it even a bigger problem, the question of leadership within the Republican Party, is that I haven't heard a sensible Republican idea on this economic crisis, apart from reducing taxes, over the last four months.
MR. FRUM: The payroll tax holiday is a great idea.
MS. KAY: You--they have to come up with...
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. KAY: They have to start coming up with ideas that the American public is interested in. You've got some younger Republicans saying, "We need to get back to talking about health care, we need to get back to talking about education, the kinds of things that the American public are talking about, and not just talking about cutting taxes."
MR. LIESMAN: That's the parody of the Republican Party that goes around in economic circles. "Well, you have cancer, cut taxes." You know, that's the, the, the solution of the Republican Party to everything.
MR. GREGORY: But the payroll tax idea, Republican idea was also shared by some Democrats, as well.
MS. KAY: Right.
MR. LIESMAN: It's a big danger, though, David, which is that if you watch the savings rate go up, the fear is that people will get this money from the government and they will save it instead of spend it, which is the argument for government spending at this moment.
MR. GREGORY: All right, lot, lots more to talk about. Unfortunately, we're out of time.
"MR. LIESMAN: It's a big danger, though, David, which is that if you watch the savings rate go up, the fear is that people will get this money from the government and they will save it instead of spend it, which is the argument for government spending at this moment."
Um...kinda like what the banks are doing with all the bailout money? Sitting on it? Not letting it filter down to consumers? That trillion dollars or so would have done a lot more good if it had been given directly to Americans. More of it would have been spent than saved, more would have been used to pay off debt. But socialism is bad when it benefits citizens instead of corporations.
Maybe if someone in the republican party would stop bashing Obama for a minute and listen to what Katy was saying, they might be able to get their poop together.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2619IJ8oq0
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is NOT a sensible idea, if by sensible one means an idea that will WORK. Higher taxes on well-to-do, a little "sacrifice" and "belt-tightening" by the rich, some "cutting back" in the Champagne Set will make them nobler, braver, more... more... American!
...Gregory is hosting the program. Frum shamelessly lied his ass off about Steele...who was hired because he's black, and is obviously done.
Meet the Press is what I think you are looking for...
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I actually can only take just a little of any of the Sunday Morning political shows...once the lies come, I'm out.
So instead you turn to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAD-rzfWvwI
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this or this
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I used to watch that ABC show, but that was late 80s.
I remember that in the day, they really imparted info, and my parents were really into that. Also, if a gummint big wig was on, it was a whopping big deal.
Now they're just hype machines, and infuriating to boot.
me-oww!
We have all the evidence needed to say that Reaganomics is a complete and utter failure.
Rubinomics as well.
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Did someone put a lid on Rush? We haven't heard any of his sage comments for a week or so. No one has mentioned him so no one has had to go and kiss his ring. The comments about Steele brought Rush to mind.
David Gregory is driving Meet the Press right into the muddy ditch. A couple of times I have tried to watch the show because of the guest he has, but I just cannot watch him and the way he handles interviews. By the way, Chuck Todd is also on my shit list these days. I used to like the guy, but now he seems he has grown a little too right and big for his britches.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
total embarrassment to his mom, Barbara
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Fat, lazy, sold-out, stupid, corrupt, venal, mendacious; and with his tongue inextricably attached to Glen Beck's prostate...
His dad, if still alive, must be contemplating seppuku...
When bush ran the first time, he lured voters with the promise of tax breaks. That promise got votes for him and by hook or by crook, he won. So the republicans think that is a winning line for them, no matter what. Not one of them seems to be willing to face reality and admit that isn't the answer to all problems and it's no longer a winning line.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Republicans are like a football team that uses the same play over and over because it won them the Superbowl once. Their inability to adapt to change is the hallmark of a creature gone extinct.
Weird how David Frum has become a lonely voice of moderate reform in the Republican party.
He's far to the right of the Rockefeller Republicans of old, and even to the right of Richard Nixon (today, Nixon's policies would make him a Democrat).
And yet, in the party of Rush Limbaugh, he's practically a lefty. Shows how extreme the GOP has become.
"Extreme" is such a good descriptive word for the republican party.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The Rethugs are the party of just say NO, obstruction and have absolutely NO new ideas. They're thankfully failing quickly.
..a good idea if it jumped outta my pants and slapped her in the face.
Wouldn't be a good idea.
Is that where you keep your ideas? Keep them to yourself.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VNx78SAq8M
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something else, something terrible is going on somewhere else.. this is all like Central America the 80's. While it looked bad and there was a pile of cash going in, it was no where as intense as what was going on in Afghanistan at the time.
by the way,, bravo El Salvador!
Of course they have no new ideas, that's what conservative means. They reject new thinking for the old ideas. Wanting to return to a mythological 'good ol' days' that never actually existed.
Conversely, being a liberal means having news ideas, because you're rejecting the status quo. (Note: That doesn't mean the new ideas are necessarily good, but at least they're thinking)
What I and many others have been saying for a very long time now is the people that still believe in supply side economics shouldn't even have a seat at the table anymore. Ever sense the days of Ronald Reagan the American public has been sold through the corporate media that reducing taxes increases government revenue. Government revenue has never ever increased due to lower taxes. We have been sold that the giant companies are run by the smartest people who are only being held back from creating thousands of jobs by government interference. Giant companies have never created jobs, demand for goods and services creates jobs. We have been sold that minimum wadges and unions kill jobs. If you cannot make a product or provide a service and pay your employees a living wadge there is not enough demand for your product or service to justify your business existing. Supply side economic has been overwhelming proved to be only good for the top 5% and terrible for the rest of the population. The talking heads on the TV do not want to even discuss the reasons for the economic mess we are in because they are being paid by the top 5% not to.
Wadge? Is that some kind of furry animal?
..told you about the Vegas-Disneyland train, why didn't you ask him, "What Vegas-Disneyland train?" since there is NO Vegas-Disneyland train anywhere in the Stim package? Huh, why am I only hearing crickets right now. Will David 'tweet' on this? Doubt it.
A note to the GOP: When someone, anyone thoroughly debunks something like a Vegas-Disneyland train, its really not that bright to mention it again. That is unless you're trying to SCARE People about all that "wasteful spending" you think they're doing. Maybe you should have a chat with John Boehner about whether he'd like the train in his state as its been proposed.
Stupid is as Stupid does. Mr. Gregory, you are a tool of the GOP!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
have their fingers crossed that The Stupids, the ones who believe in the Disney-Whorehouse train, will come gallumping to their rescue again. But The Stupids are weary and broke, and some of them are starting to.... wise up.
I'm getting so disgusted with the Democratic Party I'm going to change my registration to Independent and start giving $$ to Indies. Maybe it'll help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WB6Pz2pHts
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Do Republicans have ideas other than cutting taxes?
These idiots come out and say crap like "if we give money to the people who need it there is a concern that they will save it and not spend it"
and nobody ever calls them out by saying, simply: That's what happens when we give tax cuts to the upper 3% - they save it instead of spending it which is why were are where we are now!
a good idea from republicans about economics in my lifetime. Gingrich's Contract On America has made its hit with their economic hitmen like Phil Gramm, Bush II et al
to be like blitzer and john king, republican sycophants.
Frum and Gregory were seriously outmanned in brain power.
Katty Kay was bringing up some really good points, and Gregory kept walking all over what she had to say, while letting Frum(p) go on and on and on.
It was sickening. I really dislike Gregory immensely
Whatever these two say---Kitty Kay & David Frum can be summed up in one word---Annoying....
I am glad I missed that show!
Nobody wants to listen. Screw the stimulus. We cant spend our way out of it. Let them fail, take the bad medicine, let competent people buy up the bankrupt assests. Thats what a free market is supposed to do. All this government intervention is delaying the inevitable.. a correction.
All the government power in the world can not stop economic law.
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