Karl Rove Thinks Judges Don't Have Any Control Over Their Court Rooms
More fear mongering from Bill-O and KKKarl on the "show trial" of Khalid Sheikh Muhammed. I want to know why Karl hasn't had his "show trial" yet. Apparently Rove thinks that judges in this country have absolutely no control over what happens during their court proceedings or he would not be making these ridiculous claims. The only thing Rove and his ilk are actually worried about is outrage over what the Bush administration did in our name if the general public hears too much about it.
Transcript via Nexis Lexis.
O'REILLY: And joining us now from Washington, FOX News analyst Karl Rove.
Now, look, as I said, I appreciated the counselor coming in here because he knew he was going to get, you know, a tough interview. But the bigger picture is he had absolutely no, no salient points to justify this show trial in New York City. And I'm saying to myself, I think this is going to damage the Obama administration and the entire country in front of the world in ways that are just going to be unbelievable. Am I wrong?
ROVE: Oh, no, you're absolutely right. This is an utter, complete disaster. It will hurt America's security and America's interests all around the world. And I understand that lawyers have an obligation to mount the most powerful defense they can mount to make every argument they can make to provide their clients every opportunity to be heard in the court of law. And that is exactly - they're going to undermine the methods that we use to capture these people in war by saying well, you wouldn't do that to an ordinary criminal who knocked over the 7/11. They're going to say the chain of evidence, the treatment of these people, you didn't mirandize them. They're going to make a mockery, a mockery of our Constitution by trying to apply it to people who are not mere criminals but are, you know, enemy combatants.
And it is going to damage our country all around the world by providing a stage, you know, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed since his capture in Pakistan has wanted nothing more than to have the opportunity to spew his hatred all clear around the world and hurt America. And we're going to give it to him.
O'REILLY: Okay.
ROVE: Well, actually the Obama administration is going to give it to him.
O'REILLY: Now, I said this from the jump, and it's never been more clear based upon my interview with the counselor last night, that Americans are going to be angry. They're going to be angry about this.
ROVE: Sure.
O'REILLY: And I don't understand why President Obama doesn't see that the anger is going to turn on him because he's the one that signed off on it. I don't get why the president doesn't see how this is going to come back to haunt him.
ROVE: Because he has ideological blinders. Remember, he has attorney general whose firm, Covington and Burling, provided assistance to 18 of these Gitmo enemy combatants. In 2007, Covington and Burling alone gave 3,000 hours of their best lawyers' best time to the defense of these enemy combatants.
So, you know, this is a sort of -- you know, look, Washington is a big cosmopolitan town, but sometimes that Oval Office can be extremely constraining. What has happened is two people with ideological blinders, Holder and Obama, have gotten together and said oh, wouldn't this be great? America will look good. We're going to show fidelity to our values. And we're going to do it by giving these people every protection of law, even though we've never extended those protections of American law to non- American citizens, who are enemy combatants attacking our country in a time of war. We've never done that before, but we'll do it now. And we'll be so much better for it. And they never, because of those ideological blinders thought this thing through.
O'REILLY: All right.
ROVE: These people are - you know, Holder is a left winger. His firm is dominated by very smart left wing lawyers.
O'REILLY: There's no doubt about that.
ROVE: .who have been hand in glove working with these enemy combatants, these enemies of America to undermine our system of justice that was aimed at giving them justice but in a military tribunal without the gigantic circus show that we're going to have in New York City for years and years and years.
O'REILLY: Were you surprise at that lawyer's answers last night when he wouldn't even admit that the 9/11 attack was murder, and he basically said we're going to put the United States on trial.
ROVE: Sure.
O'REILLY: Were you surprised by his answers? He was honest.
ROVE: Well, you know, I was surprised that he was so inept in his answers, but I'm not surprised by the fact -- look, anybody who takes up these defendants has got to be one of two people. Either somebody who believes that everybody is entitled, if you're going to be in court that you're entitled to the best defense possible, or more likely that these are left wingers, who find it attractive. It is good to put America on trial.
O'REILLY: Yeah.
ROVE: It is going to put the Bush administration on trial. It is going to be good (INAUDIBLE) on trial.
O'REILLY: Yeah. Do you think this is a tipping point for Obama, this decision?
ROVE: I -- you know, I think it's going to cement the view that is he fundamentally way out on the left wing of American politics. If -- you know, there's a recent Gallup poll that said 54 percent of the American people felt that Barack Obama was governing as a liberal. Remember, only 22 percent of Americans think of themselves as liberal. So you have 32 percent of the American people, a third of the American people who are not liberal view this guy as being a liberal. And only about a third of the people thought he was governing as a moderate. And only a very small number as conservatives. I would suspect that most of those 54 percent are really people who think that he is a, you know, that he is a liberal and are not liberals themselves. And this is simply going to cement that and make it worse.
And part of that is due to Mandatory Sentencing Guidelines imposed on the courts by conservaturds
And someone like rove still running loose.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Shouldn't Rove be on a platter with an apple in his mouth?
Reality has a liberal bias
That's Christmass.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I think he should be rolled in corn flower, deep fried and fed to all the homeless people in the country. There would still be enough left over to keep ASPCA shelters running until the end of the year.
That would be a fitting use for someone so completely useless.
haven't signed the warrants for Rove, Cheney and Bush arrests yet.
Should be taken to court for his crimes and let him try to make it into a stage for anything but the proceedings.
"Strapped to a chair, gagged and guarded by deputies, Steven Aitken hears a jury's verdict Tuesday before being sentenced to five life prison terms in Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court. Aitken's antics during his weeklong trial for a string of Pinellas County bank holdups in 2003 included yelling at Judge Richard Luce, the lawyers and gallery and, on Tuesday, screaming at jurors."
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
We had a case here in Nashville a while back, where the defendant was literally crazy. he was accused of murdering a child.I think he was appealing his death sentence. He kept trying to talk loud, over the courtroom proceedings, he was talking to himself, etc.
The judge had him tied to his chair and gagged.They ended up executing him.
Rove and his ilk are not afraid of KSM having a public voice. Rove is afraid of his illegal policies being shown the light of day. I'm sure that the Bush/Cheney's are shaking in their fake cowboy boots.
big business owns the news media?
"As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it."
Dick Cavett
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
boosh thought he was Jesus
Maybe the courts
Should've ordered
His crucifiction.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"a mockery of our Constitution by trying to apply it to people who are not mere criminals but are, you know, enemy combatants."
Oh really?!?!
What happened to Bush deciding they ARE NOT enemy combatants and therefore not entitled to their rights under the Geneva Conventions?
your memory is shorter than my penis.
You hate the president because you fear his penis is longer.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
you want to know if the President is an American citizen...but didn't bother to ask that question when he was SENATOR.
Riiiiiiiiiight.
NOBODY 2012
It is just too bad that we aren’t more like East Germany was; we could just beat them till they signed a confession, then hang them.
We have probably already done that. That's why so much is still unknown about Gitmo and the CIA black sites.
You should've thought about "purifying" judges when you guys were in power, Mr. Piggy.
Perhaps Mr. Rove is overdo for some first hand experience in a court room.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
"I don't get why the president doesn't see how this is going to come back to haunt him."
Because...it won't..? Like any jury is not going to convict these people.
Run, KKKarl, run! Quick! Find out where Dickie Cheney and Lizzie are. They might let you join them in the Cheney hidden bunker.
They'll be released on their own recognizance.
and who is Karl Rove again? (/snark off!)
who is trying to get revenge on the world for his troubled childhood and adolescence.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&...
I posted the above link for the combo of salacious and straight forward articles.
I heard that Rock Hudson was into needlepoint.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...running scared. The trials will certainly happen, and he and his neo-con BushCo criminal gang will be exposed for the scum they truly are. Long overdue.
...tic toc Mr Cheney
tic toc
The Twisted Logic Behind the Prosecution of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts11232009.html
By Paul Craig Roberts
"Originally, according to the US government, Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11. To get bin Laden is the excuse given for the US invasion of Afghanistan, which set up the invasion of Iraq. But after eight years of total failure to catch Osama bin Laden, it became absolutely necessary to convict some culprit.
Unfortunately, there will be no such sensible outcome. David Feige has told us what the outcome will be (Slate, Nov. 19). The prosecution doesn’t need any evidence, because no judge and no jury is going to let the demonized “mastermind of 9/11” off. No judge or juror wants to be forever damned by the brainwashed American public or assassinated by right-wing crazies. Keep in mind that the kid, John Walker Lindh, termed “the American Taliban” by an ignorant and propagandistic US media, was guilty of nothing except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Despite the complete trampling of his every right, he got 20 years on a coerced plea bargain.
The price that Mohammed will pay will be small compared to the price we Americans will pay. The outcome of Mohammed’s trial will complete the transformation of the US legal system from a shield of the people into a weapon in the hands of the state. Feige writes that Mohammed’s statements obtained by torture will not be suppressed, that witnesses against him will not be produced (“national security”), that documents that compromise the prosecution will be redacted. At each stage of Mohammed’s appeals process, higher courts will enshrine into legal precedents the denial of the Constitutional right to a speedy trial, thus enshrining indefinite detention, the denial of the right against damning pretrial publicity, thus allowing demonization prior to trial, and the denial of the right to have witnesses and documents produced, thus eviscerating a defendant’s rights to exculpatory evidence and to confront adverse witnesses, The twisted logic necessary to disentangle Mohammed’s torture from his confession will also be upheld and will “provide a blueprint for the government, giving them the prize they’ve been after all this time--a legal way both to torture and to prosecute"
I like watching the NEOCON MAFIA GANG members as Karl Rove complaining but i am not that optimisic...
I tend to agree with Paul Craig Roberts. The precedents that would have to be set in order to allow the conviction would eviscerate the constitutional protections afforded to all defendants. I see motions to dismiss on grounds that the defendant's right to a speedy trial wasn't observed. I see problems with lack of a timely arraignment. What's the prosecution going to say, that we had to wait for a new president in order to arraign? There's the issue of equal protection under the law - if Mohammed isn't let off, then no American defendant should be let off, simply because he was held for years without arraignment, access to a lawyer, and so forth.
I think Obama should have stuck with the military tribunals. At least, that's what I think so far.
Karl Rove said, "They're going to say, you didn't mirandize them."
can anyone imagine reading KSM his rights?
...you have the right...
(fills bucket of water)
...to remain silent...and any screams you say can be used against you in a court of law
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
A lawyer is going to have to bring up miranda, along with a list of other constitutional breaches that make this prosecution defective. Otherwise, a subsequent lawyer will make motion for a new trial on the grounds that KSM was denied effective assistance of counsel.
They found her guilty, and all she did was pick up a phone. New Yorkers aren't going to free the guy who planned 9/11.
Karl is off his meds again I see. How sad. One day he will be frog marched Joe Wilson one day he will be. *evil laugh*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDTr9CGdUOs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
..because he may be next.
Maybe that's just in Karl's world.
You have to admit that Karl Rove is very good at what he does. Spewing bullshit that sounds plausible to the right wingers, giving them an excuse to hate anything or anybody who isn't as right wing as themselves.
... since it's FOX and Bill-O and Rove, it has nothing to do with facts. It's simply perpetuating the state of gibbering fear under which Republicans flourish.
It is a necessary tenet of conservative thought - you must be afraid of change. Even the slightest change will bring the world as we know it to an end.
We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.
-- Edward R. Murrow, addressing the cause celebre of another worthless, petty fear-mongering thug named Joseph McCarthy
Yes Karl, we are showing fidelity to our values. That is what values are about, you don't just chuck them out when the going gets tough.
You would think the "Values" crowd on the far right would understand that...
Heather - that's good !! KKKarl is PERFECT, and with Billo-the-Clown you got a combo that it would be hard for David Duke, or Tom Coburn, or Jim Inhofe or ANY texas politician to beat for Grand Wizard status....You have got all those loons from Georgia or North/South Carolina to worry about but, all of them competing for the title!! Should be a grand cross-burning to watch...
O'Reilly brings on guests like the Rove to tell his audience what they want to hear. That's all. Afterwards, the Bill puts up a poll to confirm in his viewers minds what they just heard (Seehere)
It's rather pointless to criticize the Bill, it's not like readers of C&L are going to go over there and vote in the poll. Although, I would like to see C&Lers do what the Pharyngulites do when PZ points them to a poll like the one on Fox about the trial.
Go over there and vote. Drive the little Foxians nuts. Do something on this fine Thanksgiving Day.
Nothing says "no credibility" like the title "Fox News Analyst."
"FOX News Analyst? There's no words there! F*** IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE! F***! F***IN THING SUCKS!"
2012 Pres. Candidate Palin said: "We're going to create this circus atmosphere here in New York and try this terrorist in our court system that is reserved under our constitution for American citizens to be able to have their right exercised."
You see, it's unconstitutional to exercise a foreigner's rights in our courts.
That's odd. Rights need exercise?
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
It sounds like Mr. Rove is saying that America is too ignorant and immature to have an objective perspective on this matter. That we would shrink in the face of one man telling us his side of a very complex story. We just aren't smart enough to understand that KSM's story is just one perspective on this series of events. We will be bamboozled by KSM's marketing of his fundamentalist concepts (the same way that the general population falls for the propaganda that is marketed to them by the media and marketing forces in America). It is very telling that he doesn't trust the average American to have an open, balanced and rational paradigm with which to observe the trial of one of the alleged 9/11 masterminds (have you noticed that the media always calls him "the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks" and rarely use the word "alleged"?).
If our system of justice and the core values and the fortitude of the average American cannot stand up to the fair trial of a captured criminal, it says more about the failure of our systems than it does about the voice a few people and their version of a complex series of events.
I mean how else can we assure that:
- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is found guilty?
- None of the war crimes of the Bush Administration will come to light?
- The American people believe that we captured the guilty party and have punished him?
Because, Karl, CLEARLY, the Bush Administration did a heckuva job keeping us safe.
F#$ks Gnus Analcyst.
Unlike turdblossom at least the judges have control over their bladders.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"Khalid Sheikh Mohammed since his capture in Pakistan has wanted nothing more than to have the opportunity to spew his hatred all clear around the world and hurt America."
And we all know that's YOUR job Karl not his.
Every time you open up that contemptible yap of yours you embarrass America with your arrogance and your mendacity.You belly crawling reptile.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I wonder if rove will still feel that way after he is charged with contempt and put in a cell during his fraud trial.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
For the ANALysis---emphasis added.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Karl, honey, I just would like you to go into a courtroom, you don't even have to be the defendant, (but I wish, I wish), and say to the judge he doesn't have any control over his courtroom.
Civil contempt has no appeal (pun intended.)
Two Clowns making noise and this is put on the air for what purpose?
A fear Monger and a American Traitor, the latter who believes he should NOT be held accountable for his actions.
The interviewer a Educated, Functional Illiterate and distorter of the Truth.
What do they do put these two Clowns on to bolsters one another's inadequacies?
Maybe it its just to confuse more FAT with their brand of FICTION.
Rove has NO control over his bedwetting either.
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