Jon Krakauer: McChrystal's Explanation For Pat Tillman Cover-up Is 'Preposterous' 'Not Believable'
By Heather Monday Nov 02, 2009 12:00pm
David Gregory talks to author Jon Krakauer about his new book 'Where Men Win Glory' and Gen. McChrystal's part in the cover up of Pat Tillman's death.
GREGORY: Jon Krakauer, I want to get to a key element of your book, "Where Men Win Glory," about Pat Tillman and how it relates to this current conversation about Afghanistan. Because it does involve General Stanley McChrystal, who was obviously critical on the stage now and was critical in the Tillman story of well. As a reminder, if you look at pictures of Pat Tillman, the NFL star with the Arizona Cardinals, decides to enlist in the Army, serves in the Rangers after 9/11. This was certainly a big story when he enlisted. And at the time, General McChrystal was actually head of Special Operations command.
So Pat Tillman was killed in a friendly fire incident and ultimately won the Silver Star, and that's what you focus on in the book and in a subsequent piece that you wrote for The Daily Beast. And here's what you wrote: "An October 5 Newsweek article [said, about General McChrystal] that `he has great political skills; he couldn't have risen to his current position without them.
But he definitelydoes not see himself as the sort of military man who would compromise his principles to do the politically convenient thing.' In the week after Tillman was killed, however, this is precisely what McChrystal appears to have done when he administered a fraudulent medical"--excuse me--"a fraudulent medal recommendation"--we're talking about the Silver Star--"and submitted it to the secretary of the Army, thereby concealing the cause of Tillman's death." Briefly explain what happened.
KRAKAUER: The--after Tillman died, the most important thing to know is that within--instantly, within 24 hours certainly, everybody on the ground, everyone intimately involved knew it was friendly fire. There's never any doubt it was friendly fire. McChrystal was told within 24 hours it was friendly fire. Also, immediately they started this paperwork to give Tillman a Silver Star.
And the Silver Star ended up being at the center of the cover-up. So McChrystal--Tillman faced this devastating fire from his own guys, and he tried to protect a young private by exposing himself to this, this fire. That's why he was killed and the private wasn't. Without friendly fire there's no valor, there's no Silver Star. There was no enemy fire, yet McChrystal authored, he closely supervised over a number of days this fraudulent medal recommendation that talked about devastating enemy fire.
GREGORY: And that's the important piece of it. And, and he actually testified earlier this year before the Senate, and this is what he said about it.
(Videotape, June 2, 2009)
LT. GEN. STANLEY MCCHRYSTAL: Now, what happens, in retrospect, is--and I would do this differently if I had the chance again--in retrospect they look contradictory, because we sent a Silver Star that was not well-written. And although I went through the process, I will tell you now I didn't review the citation well enough to capture--or I didn't catch that if you read it you could imply that it was not friendly fire.
GREGORY: Even those who were critical of him and the Army say they don't think he willfully deceived anyone.
KRAKAUER: That's correct. He, he just said now he didn't read this hugely important document about the most famous soldier in the military. He didn't read it carefully enough to notice that it talked about enemy fire instead of friendly fire? That's preposterous. That, that's not believable.
GREGORY: All right, part of this debate. Thank you all very much.
We'll continue our discussion with Jon Krakauer in our MEET THE PRESS Take Two Web Extra. Plus, read an excerpt from his book, "Where Men Win Glory." It's all on our Web site at mtp.msnbc.com. And we'll be right back.






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When they showed that clip of McChrystal testifying, he sure sounded and acted like a guy who was at the very least, bending the truth.
Naw I'm sure McCain would have called him on it. He's a maverick, y'know.
wounds on his head? The poor guy drank the kool aid as so many others, and when he realized what the game was, they fucking killed him, and created a whole new myth about his bravery and the cause that other schmucks are dying for.
There is no glory in war.
Only death.
Pat Tillman was the poster boy for the Bush Administration until word got out he was becoming very critical of the war having witnessed it first hand. Then he was killed.
as much as he was a liberal with teeth that got him killed.
Funny, how a liberal can get a 3-shot burst to the head execution style. And yet it is the "far left" who gets all that rep about being "violent" eh?
You're not seriously suggesting that he was deliberately killed, are you?
... people die of tightly placed 3-shot burst to the head all the time.
Mouthy liberals have a pattern of running into bullets. Such a shame...
and so are many other people
that suggests it!
The spacing of the bullets makes it quite possible he was killed intentionally. I'm not advocating some monstrous conspiracy theory, that he was killed on orders from above, but there were reports of him having confrontations with other men in his unit about the war in general and about their specific misdeeds. I think its quite possible the "friendly fire" wasn't all that friendly and was intentional, which of course would give the military all that much more reason to hush it up. See http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08092007.html and http://www.democracynow.org/2007/7/30/headlin... for some more detail.
They were too busy inventing a new crop of "war heroes" to bother themselves with the truth. Remember Jessica Lynch, and the legend they invented for her?
is that she told the truth and then stepped away from the media and got on with her life.
She could have tried the same crap Joe-the-not-plumber & Sarah the not governor pulled to capitolize on her 15 minutes, but she didn't.
Is it too big a leap to question McChrystal's judgement on the Afghan strategy?
Obama sure seems to surround himself with Bush Era screw ups.
Where the eff is the change I can believe in?! I could have done a better job bringing it about than Mr. Obama seems to have done...
put in place of the clean up efforts, those who were actually somewhat responsible for the f*ck up to begin with. It seems he operates under the assumption that those who created the mess are the most versed in the subject to begin with, so if they are provided a similar incentive to the one that drove them to f*ck things beyond recognition... then, they will somehow fix the mess.
It seems an incredibly naive approach to politics, and that is after having provided a ridiculous latitude in regards to the benefit of the doubt towards Mr. Obama.
Seems?
New Secretary of the Army: a Republican! And to show just how complete is Obama's submission to Republicans, this appointment was delayed by two repugs (Brownback and Roberts) cuz they were upset that Guantanamo detainees might be sent to prisons in their state, and they wanted to express their displeasure as well as flex the limitless power they have in this pushover administration. So now repugs can even threaten Obama with refusal to confirm his Republicans. FLOL. And we shake our heads and say "I'm disappointed" in our president. If disappointed is all we are, we suck.
http://www.military.com/news/article/mchugh-c...
(When I say "pushover" I am kidding. Obama is no pushover. He's doing what he wants to do, no one is making him do anything.)
What, you Bible-thumping turd, you don't trust the guards at Leavenworth to hold Gitmo "prisoners"? Yeah, 'cause everyone fears an "Al Queda" group driving up from Corpus Cristi...
Plato said that only the rulers of the cities should be allowed to lie, and then for the benefit of their subjects.
This general is however only lying to cover his own brass ass and is not doing a very good job of it either. Embarrassing stuff.
just one more lying, scum-sucking, mofo!
It's another game of Meet the Press Poker, where the joy of taking a jab at Obama and honoring Pat Tilman trumps the pain of jabbing an army general and further deflating the fake story of war heroism.
How can the wingnuts distort and exploit all of this to their advantage?
It is Obama's fault
I have no idea and I'm just asking. Could Rumsfeld have demanded that McCrystal do this lying business? I guess if he had McCrystal could have refused, but that would have opened up a can of worms they sure didn't want to deal with at the time.
Probably not too far fetched.
Krakauer has a post up at daily beast that says in part:
Worked under the radar...bypass the chain of command...rule bender...sounds like someone right up Rumsfeld and Cheney's alley.
their collective a$$es too, don't you think?
I don't think Cheney or Rummy had to tell McChrystal anything. He *knew* what he had to do, so he did it.
Anybody that rose through the ranks in the reign of the chimp are a special breed of slime. All the good officers told the truth, caught a rash of crap from the neocons, then retired. Obama's continued reliance on this scum is, in the naive view, astonishing, and in the cynical view, very, very depressing.
Ollie North.
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That kind of "that was then, this is now" excuse sure didn't save Van Jones. Not even close. One minute he was in, the next he was GONE. Excuses don't save people in high positions, usually. Unless you're Geitner (no excuse, he's just "sorry" he did it) or General McChrystal.
Jails are full of white collar people who did what they were told instead of saying no when they should have. You're not supposed to get promoted, that's for SURE.
"Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling ..."
Maybe the Feds should print this on the front of money.
That bothers me too. THAT'S the thing I keep questioning as maybe not true.
Wait, McCrystal was involved in the Jessica Lynch fairy tale as well as the Tillman cover-up? Does this clown fancy himself another McArthur or Patton?
And notice how Pander boy cuts Karkauer off as soon as he calls McCrystal a liar. Liberal media, indeed.
there's nothing liberal about the media in the U.S. of A. Except for the real investigative reporters (Sy Hersch to name one of a few), there's far too many infotainers to make me watch the news. Honestly, you'd learn more watching cartoons!
And you would learn even more watching Jon Stewart and Colbert.
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It's mcchrystal clear - isn't it?
LOL!
the hydrogenated soybean oil and opium he cut it with kept turning the pipe black...
Sounds like he was Rumsfeld and Cheney's go to guy when they needed a shit detail tended to. I wonder how miserable they could have made his life if he had refused to shovel shit for them?
philosophically.
Heck, he seems to be more of them than they were.
and he is us. I have to ask though if the source of the fire is relevant to whether or not a medal is justified. If Tillman acted to protect another at the risk of his own life the source of the fire does not make his actions less valorous. It just makes McChrystal a bit of a weasel.
incompetent sack of shit that should be stripped of his stars and thrown out of the military!
Scott Ritter has a good article up about McChrystals ignorance of the Afghan theater of operations.
Most everyone in this country suffers from a woeful lack of knowledge about war in Afganistan.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/02
Sarah Chayes would write something about her little area (Kandahar?) more often so it wouldn't seem like she's been co-opted
McChrystal is President Obama's appointee. President Obama chose him. His role in the Pat Tillman coverup is widely known. Yet Obama chose him. Not in SPITE of it, but BECAUSE of it. McChrystal is a team player. Team. Get it?
What the hell is wrong with us?
I'm just afraid it's going to be massively depressing. This man gave up his life for what seems to be no good reason.
I know, his life isn't more valuable than anyone else's. But still, he had so much to live for, and from what I understand, he didn't even believe in the mission very much toward the end. A real tragedy.
OT but - Cheney does not recall
Translation - "that's for me to know and you to find out"
Translation - "i'm guilty"
I guess that's why he always does the wrong thing.
Cheney does not recall - that explains the whole thing.
Cheney does not recall - this is a criminal man within a criminal bunch that cares more about criminal defense than government.
So why should we take pitty on you, Mr. Dick "i don't recall" Cheney?
guilty
chump
"The truth carries the death penalty for Cheney."
GREGORY: All right, part of this debate. Thank you all very much.
"You say the sky is blue. He says th sky is green. The controversy continues. We'll be back after these messages."
God forbid you should do some research and make some judgments, Stretch.
And while I'm at it, you don't "win" military decorations. You can earn them, you can be awarded them, you can be presented them. They're recognition of valor or superior performance, not blue ribbons given out after a sporting contest.
Everyone keeps tip toeing around the truth? The bush cabal was one of the most dishonest we have had in thirty years or more. But the facts are that republicans in general in the last thirty years have become liars and fools. Willing to do or say anything for the love of what? Stupidity? Insanity? Pedophilia? Greed? Arrogance?
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
I'm so sick of these assholes cutting away at the first blush of truth. The Daily Show nailed it with the "Leave it There" segment last week.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october...
"Where Men Win Glory." I see no 'glory' in war; especially not in the two current invasions we're involved in.
Just as many top level generals before him and throughout our history, HE LIED. They rationalize their lies by claiming its best for the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuyBq6d0bq8
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