John McCain: U.S. Should Board North Korean Ship
By Heather Monday Jun 22, 2009 8:00am
On CBS's Face the Nation, John McCain is asked how the United States should react if North Korea refuses to allow the United States' Navy to board their vessel with a suspicious cargo. Bob Schieffer failed to ask McCain to address what he'd recommend doing if North Korean troops started pouring into South Korea in retaliation, if the United States followed the Senator's advice.
SCHIEFFER: All right. Point well taken.
Let’s talk about North Korea. What do you think the North Koreans are up to here? I mean, it seems like every time we make an overture to North Korea, nothing happens. It seems to get worse. Now we have, we’re told, a North Korean vessel with a suspicious cargo headed out. A U.S. ship, the USS John McCain , which is named for your father and your grandfather, is on patrol to intercept that ship, apparently. But what happens? The U.N. resolution says that they may try to stop that ship and ask permission to come aboard. What happens if they don’t give permission?
MCCAIN: Well, that’s the $64 question here, Bob. What happens if the ship doesn’t give them permission to board? And any ship, North Korean ship that has missiles or equipment or nuclear technology on board probably isn’t going to give that permission. And I might add that in recent testimony last week before Congress, our leaders testified that there is North Korean and Iranian cooperation on nuclear weapons and proliferation.
MCCAIN: So the Security Council measure is a half measure. It’s inadequate because right now apparently that ship may be going into a port at Myanmar, or if it went to any other unfriendly nation, then the course of action to be taken is to quote report it to the Security Council.
SCHIEFFER: Should we report it anyway?
MCCAIN: If we have hard evidence that that ship is carrying technology equipment missiles that are in gross violation of the U.N. Security Council resolutions, I think we should board it. It’s going to contribute to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction to rogue nations that pose a direct threat to the United States.
Now I would like for the United States to go back to the Security Council. But most of all, I’d like for China to step in and do what is in China’s interest not to have a nuclear armed aggressive Korea and a Japan which it will have to feel it will have to be nuclear armed and other nations in the region. It is in China’s interest -- China is the country that really has the influence and finally, as you know, there seems to be some transition of power which is always a very, very dangerous time where regimes of this sort are concerned.
SCHIEFFER: That brings us to part two of what’s unfolding here is that ship is making its way there. The North Koreans have suggested they may fire some missiles into the Pacific. The secretary of defense has put missile interceptors in Hawaii. He’s put a ship out there to track it on radar. Do you really think the North Koreans might fire a missile at Hawaii?
MCCAIN: I’m not sure they would fire it directly at Hawaii. Predicting North Korean behavior -- I’ll predict a lot of things but not that. But I think they might launch it into the area. It goes over Japan. How would we feel if a country such as North Korea were doing that over the United States? This is a very dangerous business.
SCHIEFFER: So what do we need to do here? Nothing we have done so far seems to have slowed them down at all.
MCCAIN: I would love to tell you we’ll get more cooperation from the U.N. Security Council but that’s a bit too optimistic to say the least. China has to understand that North Korea is a vital element in our relations and it is in China’s natural interest. We’re not asking for an act of charity. They control their economy. They control a whole lot of things. Really they’re the only nation that has influence. It should be a fundamental and vital aspect of our relations with China. And we should continue to work through the normal channels such as the U.N. It’s a very dangerous game that they’re engaged in.
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board their ship, and then serenade them with your fun little ditty about bombing Iran.
Asshole.
"Get off my ocean, you kids!!"
shakes his fist impotently in the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss02sfQinxI
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/nwp200...
Is not as if "Cain" wasn't tainted enough as a name...
;-)
remember when ol' stinkypants McSame talked on the phone and got Spain and some South American nations confused?
Goood times...good times.
...board their ship? Yeah, let's invade another country while we're at it.
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Let us thank the good lord that McIdiot didn't become President. I can image the wars we would have on and on and on. Iran, N. Korea, Iraq and any other mother f'er McIdiot doesn't like. All I can say the american people got the election right this time. We are all sick of wars. Shame on the republicans.
Isn't boarding a nation's ship without lawful justification (and against the will of the country to whom it belongs) an act of war? Isn't it similar to invading a country without lawful justification?
McCain's recommendation sounds like the action of pirates, not a sovereign country's relationship with another sovereign country.
Jon McInsane doesn't think that there isn't any international interaction that can't be handled with military action. Hell, Mac, let's just declare war on the entire world. JeeZus, what a dope.
By what right do we mess with Korea?
What crime have they committed that the US hasn't committed?
We gave nuclear technology to Israel in complete opposition to UN and International law. We traded weapons to Iran when it suited us.
By what authority do we even consider such actions?
Iran is surrounded by nuclear states including Israel and pakistan who both illegally have nuclear weapons AND get billions in aid from us.
Why can't Iran have nukes?
And don't say that it's because Ahmedinijad said he want's to wipe Israel off the map. That is the biggest lie told in the past few years. He said he wanted to "wipe Zionism off the pages of history" a statement most progressive would agree with.
I don't want ANYONE top have nukes, but to mess with Korea and Iran is not the way to go.
Thanks in large part to George Dumbya and Darth Cheney, the U.S. has all of about ZERO credibility when it comes to talking about threats against other states, or humanitarian issues or intelligence reports that indicate danger. All that was wasted on the ridiculously bogus march into Iraq.
I've lost count how many countries have nukes now...so unless EVERYONE disarms tomorrow, I don't get the idea as to how we justify boarding another nations ship because they "might" have some material that "might" be used in the development of same.
And oh, by the way, make sure we clear this with our landlords & major creditor, the Chinese, just in case they may not find the idea of boarding a NK ship very appealing.
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landlords and creditors. Being paid in US debt is just like Anderson Accounting being paid in Enron stock. Contrary to being in control, they are caught up perpetuating the lie that it is worth anything at all.
Its sad that anyone pays attention, let alone gives any responsibility at all to the republican party. Does anyone think that the US is in a position to fight war on another front. Start one yes, fight one no.
p.s. Start posting some third party perspectives, we've herd enough from the right and the far right. Lets here some alternative views from the progressives.
...and darth showed up. It's just that it became much more evident with the "cowboy bravado".
The US had zero credibility to start with. Look at Latin American political history for starters. We are and have always been a nation of imperialist and covert operations.
The mindset that these warmongers have, is that America is right, always...no matter how wrong she is. She's always right.
And we gotta break 'em of that.
Is that why we call them the right wing nutz?
pretty much.
that caved after 10 days of capture...who said 'Bomb-bomb -Iran'...He has not a clue! Iran is now blaming BBC , Germany, everyone else but us except indirectly...Obama is doing it just right..Condemning violence but up holding the rights of the people to protest if they feel the election outcome was unjust...
Mccain is out of touch and a warmonger..with loose lips---
n/c
--the likes of McCain and Shieffer, who are forever mired in a Cold War mentality. This is why old white republicans get to puke out their ancient bile to old white news talkers on old white news stations.
http://breakingnews.ie/world/iran-blames-us-f...
Funny, I don't seem to remember the MSM interviewing John Kerry regarding his opinion of foreign policy decisions 6 months after he'd lost the election in 2004.
Strange,..
Nail on the head.
You said it.
For that matter, I don't seem to recall Al Gore (and daughter) snidely second-guessing Bush's foreign policy in 2001, or Clinton's chief political staffer sliming Bush from his regular column on the editorial page of the Wall St. Journal.
I seem to remember Republicans getting all upset when Democrats didn't support the president's foreign policy . . . . IOKIYAR.
a "librul" media...
.... as tactfully as I can.
THANK YOU, JEZZUS! Am I ever glad this numbnutter is NOT president. We'd be in the midst of World War III.
Maybe not WW3, but two new wars; Iran and NK.
We'd have seen the draft come back after he emptied out the barracks.
board their ship, and then you and Palin get waterboarded and buggered by another Commie Nation. Asshole
The world is a much safer place now because we were smart enough to elect Obama.
He talks about predicting what Kim will do?
Thank God we were able to see that marionette MF for what he is.
A republican with no answers.
Blech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXg2YKK0L0
When you're a warmonger, everything looks like a war?
It's amazing how many GOP points are well taken by Dick Cheney's BFF in the MSM.
getting shot down over Vietnam shouldn't qualify one to become President.
It means he's A PISS POOR PILOT.
Fly over, drop a few bombs, cocktails and dinner back at the officer's club. Big military expert.
Realizes we are dealing with a complete lunatic here....
Kim Jong Il. (You thought I was going to say McCain, didn't you??)
Kim WANTS us to board the ship! He WANTS us to do something provocative!
Do we WANT the North Korean military to SWARM across the border and attempt to take South Korea? Do we WANT a potential nuclear weapon launched into the heart of Maui??
I read an article yesterday suggesting that Obama should deal with Kim Jong Il the same way Eisenhower handled the nutty "shoe pounding on the podium" Kruschev. Invite him to the U.S. and let him go to Disneyland!!! He can even bring his 26 year old son with him! They can do the usual tour....Cocktails in Manhattan, maybe take in "Spamalot"....then off to Iowa to watch the corn grow and take a cool tour through a "high fructose corn syrup refining plant"....(No Kimmy...we don't actually EAT this corn with butter and salt and pepper)... Then off to Hollyweird for a first run movie and dinner with the stars. (He has a library of over 10,000 DVD's).
Maybe go to Maui on the last leg of the tour and show him beautiful Makena beach...Aloha Kim!!
THAT"LL change his tune and make him realize he should try to make North Korea JUST LIKE US!! Right? Right??
The only problem with all this is that he is most likely crazy as Hannibal Lecter.
If Obama's not chain-smoking right now up on the White House roof around midnight, this quagmire oughta' bring him to it.
What makes you think that NK would shoot at Hawaii? I know the answer it was the mainstream media, and they said "fire a missile towards Hawaii" which is hearsay anyway and what it really means is NOTHING.
We shot down the missile they shot OVER Japan and can shoot down ANY missile the NKs try to fire. Most of their missiles malfunction anyway.
It is foolish to think NK will fire a nuke. Insanity.
Remember the routine
1. Politicians create a conflict
2. Mass media fans the flames of hatred and violence
3. American kids kill other kids
4. War profiteers rake in the money
5. Parents bury their most precious children
6. Rinse and repeat
Missing a step and some words. Let me fill in:
1. Captains of industry see an opportunity for profit
2. Owned politicians create a conflict
3. Owned mass media fans the flames of hatred and violence
4. American kids kill other kids
5. War profiteers rake in the money
6. Parents bury their most precious children
7. Rinse and repeat
That is perfect!
How very Christian and moral of the family values party of Sarah Palin and John Ensign.
its part of the ultimate plan
to return us to the days of "duck and cover"
these guys have a hard on for a new cuban missile crisis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixy5FBLnh7o&fe...
Brought to you by the same man that thinks Palin knows more about energy than anyone else and also the same man that thought Palin could be president of the United States. Don't listen to a fu*king word he has to say and don't take him seriously about anything.
Obama won't listen to McCain....
He's too busy listening to his puppetmasters, Lieberman and Graham.
of course it isnt true
but never let facts get in the way of a good progressive rant
Lindsey Graham as a co-pilot (because he shouldn't go alone at his age), and letting him try to find the ship. That should take care of the two of them. Maybe Neut can go with them.
do they miss it that badly?
note to those who wish to constantly criticize obama for not being a superman and changing everything....you coulda had this guy....just remember that
Yes, they mi$$ the cold war very badly indeed.
The cold war was immensely profitable for defense Contractors.
why do these guys want to return to the cold war era?
MONEY. Heaping loads of big public money.
The military industrial complex gets a huge turgid hardon every time the crazies ramp up the "bomb the shit out of everyone" rhetoric.
you said turgid..eheheeeheheheeee
:<)
well, obviously, it plays to their political base
Maybe mcgramps could give one of his speeches.
That would leave the North Koreans bored.
When did they get excited?
When Brigette Bardot gave them permission to eat Paris Hilton's chihuahua.
You just reminded me of the reason we have been at war with them for 58 years.
Thanks.
...that he would "fight, fight, fight."
What a worthless, dusty pile of shit.
follow him to the gates of hell...if elected. Guess his patriotism was conditional, unless he thinks Osama is in the country and working as a makeup artist or sound technician.
McCain has made a real fool of himself.
n/c
where's tyree?
I thought you two had gotten jobs or somethin.
there really is no explanation of the differences a McCain Presidency would make, right? Oh and thanks to Bush, and the continues Republican policies of the Obama Administration, I still barely have a job working part time on construction right now. Obviously, that is much more than a majority on here seem to have that seem to be able to post night and day. Hows the healthcare? Any luck getting big Pharma out the Dem pockets yet?
big differences CC...but to explain them to you, is akin to debating a wall...you don't care about what anyone has to say.
You just come in here to disrupt the thread with your BS posts.
I'm done with ya.
Good day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxsexRjNcb4
I fail to see what is the value proposition for an unemployed Canadian waxing petulant about a foreign country.
C'mon Tyler.
Several of Obama's decisions have been rationalized by his supporters by stating that his hands are tied and even though it seems wrong, it is right in some way.
In my opinion, CC is pointing out that McCain would have made the same or similar decisions, that the president has actually become a titular figure and that perhaps it is worth considering neither party deserves our support.
What's wrong with that?
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Politics in Canada must be pretty lame.
i agree. no nuance no shades of grey just why isn't everything corrected from the
failed BUSH presidency in 5 months. the u.s. and it's complex interconnectedness with the rest of the world is very complicated. there's nothing black and white about it.
BUSH left this country very vulnerable especially economically. some people just want
obama to fail. trying to establish/use gotcha questions denies the the details but we all know the devil is in the details.
Too bad Grandpa and that dumb bitch aren't in charge.
you betcha!
Objection: False dichotomy. L and L is implying that because one does not support one candidate, he must support the other.
I thought it was pointing out that if it wasn't Obama, it would most certainly be the other.
Left, that was sarcasm. I was being honestly serious. What pray tell has he done, that a Republican administration would not have done the EXACT SAME THING? Right down to gay marriage, spying, telecomm immunity, no charges against corruption, borrow and spend, increases in taxation (hasn't happened yet, but will very quickly)? What's he done?
They are angry because Obama is playing it cool and not gullibly interfering with a complex internal civil battle within a sovereign nation that we have a history of fucking with.
Whatever Obama would have done these Goddamned losers would have seconded guess the shit out of him...just like you.
.. spoke to the Islamic World instead of threatening ..
.. decided to close Guantanamo ..
.. released torture memos ..
.. spoken in complete sentences ..
Quite true cc. If the CIA is doing what they have done before, Obama's intentions are even more questionable.
I haven't seen as much Blue Flavored Kool-aid comment rhetoric in the last few weeks, but then again I haven't been on here as much.
Always good to hear from you!
I mistakenly thought one of the proud Democratic Party supporters that have sainted Obama and completely ostracized McCain, would have been able to give immediate wonderful examples of all the glorious deeds Obama's admin has done so far. Sadly, the response was....."Oh ya? Well your mother wears army boots and your just a racist Republican".....well not quite, but damn near. LOL.
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 09:32 — LeftandLeft
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That's fertilizer
And probably a cheap grade at that
You betcha!
http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/1181
short one page read. After 8 years President BUSH leaves behind a nonproliferation legacy marked by
incompetence and neglect that has left America more vulnerable.
After re-reading that first sentence a few times... it makes it seem like the US wants to board a North Korean vessel with a suspicious cargo. Unlike: If a North Korean vessel has suspicious cargo, the US would like to go on board the said vessel and inspect it.
The John McCain INSANE 'bomb, bomb Iran' mindset would have the 'population' of Iran standing behind WHOEVER their leader. Marginalize the 'warmongerers'...
In Iran, the Youth, especially, women, are part of an 'effort' to 'marginalize' violent tyranny. That's why it is imperative the US 'let' the 'Ghandi principled' 'evolution' consume the 'endangered species', conservative-tyranny.
The 'We need our women 'covered from head to toe' crowd, blames everyone else's 'humanity'for their 'own' weaknesses, but 'twitter' is promoting the 'evolution' of a TRUE 'personal Liberties' movement with 'grass-roots-communications' the 'God Given' 'technological-vehicle' that is the enemy of 'conservative-totalitarian-oppressors' worldwide.
Praise God!
McCain may actually be more of a warmonger than GW Bush, if that's possible.
Why is this old codger still making talk show appearances? You lost. People with some amount of brain cells didn't want a Reagan-era relic and his bimbo from the Arctic. Shut the fuck up.
He lost, and he "lost it" during the election - very dishonorable campaign.
During the Korean War (1950-1953) the US seriously considered dropping atomic bombs on North Korea.
And it was no secret. President Truman mentioned the plan in a public speech in 1950. And in 1951 the US conducted trial runs over North Korea with dummy atomic bombs and high-yield conventional bombs, to test the tactical wisdom of the plan.
Just as Iranians have long memories - of the US & UK overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 - I'm sure the North Koreans haven't forgotten US threats to use atomic bombs against them during the Korean War.
Proposed use of nuclear weapons
Stalemate (July 1951–July 1953)
*gasp* But I thought they hated us for our freedoms.
back when we still had them.
Recall that the Korean War has never been officially ended.
An Armistice was signed on July 27, 1953.
And North Korea unilaterally withdrew from that armistice on May 27, 2009.
Yes .. less than a month ago.
because he wanted to turn the Korean peninsula into a glass parking lot?
Yes John McCain, you have the advantage of not being linked to official policy so that you can say anything your little heart desires and it means nothing.
In baseball it is called "sitting in the Catbird seat", it is the losers advantage to second guess the victor.
How honorable and advantageous of you, Senator.
John McCain is doing a public service, reminding viewers why it's a good thing John McCain is not president.
exactly!
If he keeps it up, AZ won't re-elect him next time as Senator, either.
He's like what? A Million years old?
He's gotta be gettin a bit daft in his golden years...
Maybe he should just retire.
they just sit around long enough to get caught in a scandal.
— ThunderMonkey
I'm thinking that it is a done deal.
Oh shih tzu!
"What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?"
Mr Burns
I am happy, once again, that the country had the good sense not elect this guy. Typical guy with the "small guy complex", always looking for a fight. Did this guy ever see any action of another country that wasn't a provacation. Perhaps he and Kim, another little guy trying for big guy status, can just meet up and duke it out. No?
Taking over a Ship outside any Frendly Countries waters would be an act of Piracy by the United States.
John McCain and most Republicans hate the Rule of Law.
doing what is "right" in their opinions. Screw the law. Isn't it kind of "John Wayneish?" Old senile cowboys. Kind of sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0D9i1JZDUA&fe...
..except it doesn't.
Why does the U.N. bother at all? No one can stop the vessel from delivering arms and possibly nukes now or in the future. We can politely ask if the captain will (risk his family's lives by) pull(-ing) into a neutral port to have the cargo inspected which will never happen. So why doesn't the UN just say, "Go ahead, spread terrorism!"
That doesn't seem like the way to end the NK's belligerence and exportation of terrorism.
$64 question..that was a top prize on a 1940's radio gameshow:)
..'the 64 thousand dollar question.."
like all the other military fiascos he's been for, my guess would be 64 Billion would be a good place to start.
...by not electing this deranged lunatic.
Hey! McCrazy: the UN rules don't permit boarding. They have to turn to the first available port for inspection. The UN mandate doesn't authorize boarding.
...anything useful. That's not his job. His job is to make his guests comfortable and give them a chance to spew talking points unchallenged. He's doing a fine job.
BombIran John, can't wait to get another war started. Rogue nations? What about rogue senators?
Why don’t Bob Schieffer ask Senator McCain what the Senator though the North Korea response might be to an unwelcome boarding of a North Korea ship?
Ya.
I wish this barking mad Psychopath would just Die. Soon. Now.
a nuke at South Korea, or Japan, or ??
Zero-brains is going to spearhead the chickenhawk party to start world war III.
God, had he and his idiot lipstick-pig won, the country would be on fire by now.
The bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran man who would violate our UN agreement regarding ships from North Korea would have us in SIX wars at this point: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea and probably China and Russia as well.
McCain is a fool. Republicans are all fools. God, I can't believe these stupid bastards actually exist.
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Yeah, sure, John. You're the big war hero. You go first. Show us how it's done.
I'm surprised none of the commenters mentioned this. McCain says "our leaders" testified before Congress that Iran and North Korea are working together on nukes. Well, this is a really big fucking surprise to me!
Which leaders? When? Were they neocons or what?
I watch in anticipation of the day Bob Sheiffer finally leans over and plants a great big wet on on McCain's heine.
John McCain is a goddamn war monger. In this fucker's world, we live for war. The stupid son-of-a-bitch wanted to "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" a year ago. He's fucking crazy. He wants to attack North Korea, start a civil war in Iran, stay in Iraq for FUCKING EVER... I am sure that he's going to advocate a submarine war against Mexico. Stop listening to anything this moron says, he's crazy.
Well for God's sake keep this Naval Academy near flunk out away from battle. He's already crashed 3 planes during his military career which cost the taxpayers hundreds of millions. Rumor has it Cindy won't let him get anywhere near their private jet. Hell, she doesn't even want him around their 7 cars.
John McCain: "US should board North Korea ship!"
Then yells at youngster to get off his lawn as he shakes fist angrily at passing cloud.
AS A Veteran You can say the thing you say because of us!!!!!!
Hear what I say...
" A Vetrean'-- whether active duty, discarged, retired,or reserve-- is someone who at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to: "The United States Of America," for an amount of "up to, and including my Life." Not like that ****** Obama.Remember He like Rev Right........Still at 60 I would give my Life for your Dum Ass In war!!!!!!
a lot of veteran Die for Freedom
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