March 10, 2010 09:00 AM
Howard Dean: Reconciliation Should Include Medicare Buy-In or Restore House Version
Chris Hayes filling in for Rachel Maddow talks to Howard Dean about the protests held outside of the Ritz-Carlton "where the insurance companies were having their conference and plotting to kill health reform". Dean also weighed in on what he thinks should happen if the bill does pass -- the Senate should either include a Medicare buy-in or restore the House version which has a public option. He also thinks they should get rid of the individual mandate and that might make it a decent bill. I guess we'll find out if anyone's listening to Dean shortly if the bill does make it through the House.
while the nation hemorrhages.
Some stuff you can't make up!
People die.
it would cost about $600/month.
Forget it.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
calculate what a medicare buy in would cost? Mine, with the medicare part D is only about $105.
still lumbering around the congressional offices like a zombie in search of a silver bullet that might send it back to the comforts of the tomb.
It all comes back to leadership. The Dems are lacking.
FWIW I think Dean is 100% correct.
then I'll have some of what he's smokin.
Herring?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Dutch cleanser, as some GOPer once speculated.
Gauloises
Study the symptoms not the virus...
More my preference:
http://www.cigarettespedia.com/index.php/Gaul...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHD1V051S2w
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
They seem short w/filter? Fire retardant?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Now that's a lot of sex...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If HCR is as bad as progressives think it is, how come Faux and the rethugs are still trying to stop it? Wouldn't a horrible albatross around Democratic necks be a good thing for them?
it will damage obama if it fails
it's all politics, all the time
Two: Those who are really in charge may be using reverse psychology. They (the insurance companies) win either way, don't they?
Three: The GOP will stick to the "no" theme so they can avoid responsibility for anything that happens. "I told you so," will be their rallying cry.
How 3rd grade.
you can read the tea leaves anyway you want, what i see is health care stocks going up the closer this monster gets to passage, that tells me something
one of the reactionaries criticisms is the 2,100 page length of this bill, talk about reading tea leaves; by way of comparison the canadian hc legislation is 14 pages of legal text.
sometimes your opponent is your best ally, points out weakness, that sort of thing.
look at this from the beginning, right off the bat, deal with pharma, repub talking point - not that they care - but still no price controls - fed buys almost half the drugs (legal drugs) purchased in this country, but will not negotiate prices, and obama will not talk about it.
this in and of itself should tell you something, how deep the lobbyists are into this legislation.
this bill is a mess, and needs to be kicked to the curb.
i mean, geez, at least get the price of drugs down, that could be done without any hc reform, simply as a matter of administrative policy, that tells me something, does it not tell you something?
i just wonder if we don't have a lttle bit of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9D_KjrdN28&fe...
going on here.
And if you do, die quickly.
nobody has listened so far!
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
I guess we'll find out if anyone's listening to Dean shortly if the bill does make it through the House.
Listening to Dean is how we LOST the public option.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Would you care to explain that?
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
Yes...he agreed with the elimination of the public option...in return for a PROMISE to open up Medicare to everyone age 55 and up.
Well...ya know what we got...neither. AND the whole Medicare buy in at 55 was a straight political ploy to splinter the support for a full public option.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
My recollection is that the public option was killed, and then it was proposed to open up Medicare to everyone 55 and up in lieu of a public option.
BTW The public option, as explained by Obama, was never a public option in the way that it would provide everyone in the public with the option to exercise it. Instead, it was what the government planned to use for people who couldn't get insurance through their employers, or the VA, or Medicare. It would not have been available to everyone generally.
You're recollection is wrong.
Here's one link.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care...
Google Medicare buyin public option Dean...and enjoy.
Dean had previously endorsed the Medicare buy-in compromise without a public option, saying that the key question should be whether the bill contains enough “real reform” to be worthy of progressives’ support.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Rep. Grayson Introduces Bill to Allow Anyone to Buy Into Medicare at Cost
Study the symptoms not the virus...
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
Just watch the Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical stocks , will tell you all you need to know .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
I was prepared to expand with specifics on that sentiment, but I hit delete...a rambling explanation of the abundant evidence would make my post as inefficient as the Democratic Party. I'll just leave it at that.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation is delighted to report that the mandate requiring private medical insurers to reimburse for "religious or spiritual health care" was not included in the merged health care reform bill that Sens. Reid, Baucus and Dodd have sent to the Senate floor. This provision was previously removed from the House version of the bill.
This action removes the language that would have mandated payment to Christian Scientist practitioners for "faith-healing" expenses. This is a great victory for the separation of church and state, and a deserved defeat for the Christian Science lobby—responsible for the passage in most states of "faith-healing" exemptions to protect parents from prosecution when they fail to seek medical treatment for gravely ill children on religious grounds.
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It's bad enough that the Internal Revenue Service allows Christian Science prayer-treatment bills to be deducted as a medical care expense and that some federal government employee plans pay bills for Christian Science prayer-treatment. It would have been so awful to have a federal law calling prayer medical care and requiring insurance companies to pay for it. It could have pre-empted the child neglect laws in this country and made it impossible to require parents to obtain real medical care for their children.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
should have their access to healthcare taken away since they want to deny the poor and middle class the same right. This sucks.
NOBODY 2012
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