Hardball: Orrin Hatch Thinks the Health Care Bill Should Have to Get 70 Votes to Pass
By Heather Thursday Oct 01, 2009 7:00am
This is quite a change from the days where the Republicans were threatening to blow up the Senate filibuster rule isn't it?
MATTHEWS: Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah. He is a member of the Senate Finance Committee.
Well, there is Senator Schumer putting the best face on a 13-10 loss. Three Democrats joined your party in opposing a public option. Five Democrats joined you on another vote. Where does it stand, the public option, right now?
HATCH: Well, it‘s going to be very difficult. Look, the Democrats are going to do everything they can to pull every trick they can to try and get all of the Democrats lined up to go with a public option.
But, look, if you pass a health care bill that involves one-sixth of the whole American economy and you don‘t get at least 70 votes, meaning bipartisan votes, you‘re not doing what‘s right for the American people. And I can tell you right now, Doug Elmendorf said that it‘s virtually next to impossible to be able to have a public option which would be a level playing field.
There‘s no way it would be level, and that‘s one of the problems. And I think the people out there realize that. And they also realize that you know they promised the same level playing field for Medicare back in 1965. It wasn‘t long until they realized they couldn‘t keep up and had to start setting prices.
Today Medicare pays less than 20 percent to doctors, less than 30 percent to hospitals, and by the way, Medicare‘s $38 trillion in unfunded liability, that‘s what you get when you just have the federal government involved.
MATTHEWS: Do you think there‘s any chance—let me ask you if you would be open to it. If this thing looks like a draw, if it looks like the Democrats are not going to get enough of a bill by Thanksgiving that they can claim victory with and they see that coming, is there any chance they‘re going to sue for peace like I guess we did with Laos back in the ‘60s when Kennedy said, we can‘t win the war, let‘s get together and go to Geneva?
Is there any chance that your party would want to help this president get anything through, or do you want him to lose, period?
HATCH: I can tell you how to do it right now, I mean, there—in a bipartisan way. And there are some Democrats who really literally would like to work with us and get this done. There are ways of doing this, and ways of—but we‘re a long way from that right now.
And I have to tell you, the Democratic party has gone very far to the left. Some of our party has gone pretty far to the right. And to be honest with you, I don‘t know many moderate Democrats. There are a few, but certainly not like Chuck Schumer has been talking.
MATTHEWS: Well, there aren‘t many moderate Republicans left either. Let me ask you, Senator, as you know the Northeast is withering. Let me ask you, do you—would you sign on to any health care bill this year, any bill?
HATCH: Well, yes, if we could do it right. You know, to be honest with you, they want to do this public option or what I call a government option, and yet they want to take $500 billion out of Medicare. And.
MATTHEWS: Yes, I know. Well.
(CROSSTALK)
HATCH: Well, suppose they drop the public option and put in tort reform. Would you sign on? Right on that trade, right there. Get rid of the public option and go to tort reform.
MATTHEWS: Well, tort reform would be a way to go. I just read an article where.
HATCH: Well, would you be on the bill? Would you be on the bill then, or is it just a stupid negotiation? Are the Democrats negotiating with themselves? If no Republicans will join, why should they compromise with nobody?
HATCH: Well, personally, I believe what we ought to do is what we did with the original CHIP bill that everybody said worked beautifully. What we did is we block-granted it to the state, let the states set their own standards and work it out in the states according to their own demographics.
We have 50 states. We have 50 state laboratories. We can look and see what really works and what really doesn‘t. Pick and choose from the other states. But the fact of the matter is if we did something like that, there‘s about 80 percent of health care that I think we could bring both sides together on.
The problem is when you get to the money, Democrats are—they want to spend and they think everything can be solved by spending. Well, we can‘t spend the way they want to. If we do that, we‘ll bankrupt the country and we won‘t get a very good health care bill to boot.
You know, the federal government isn‘t the last resort. It isn‘t the last dance in everything.
MATTHEWS: I understand.
HATCH: In fact, it‘s a problem.
As our own Jon Perr noted Hatch, along with Grassley and Enzi, has been pushing the “superfilibuster” hurdle on health care for over a month-- GOP: Health Care Needs More Senate Votes Than Social Security, Medicare.
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There is no way that Hatch would give an inch if or when the situation was reversed. They were sneaking votes in, changing the bill after it was voted on, steamrolling huge Orwellian named bills Democrats never got to see until after the vote (if then) and much more.
The problem we have is that the Democrats are a real party with folk near as Conservative as Hatch and a very few actual liberals. The primary argument against the Communists was their narrow one talking point, fact fungible, propaganda that would make any argument based on the tactics of the moment and take the opposite at need. Now this Gang Of Pirates are crazier than the old Communists ever where.
is orrin hatch part of the federal government ?
It would be fun to watch him dance around that question. Seriously, wouldn't it be great if you could change the rules of any game that you happen to be losing? Say, in chess, what if were suddenly not enough to put your opponent in checkmate, but you also had to take all his men?
Democrats changed the law so they could grant Sen. Kennedy his last dying wish. He wanted a replacement named upon his death so Massachusetts would have two Senators. This was clearly done in order to garner support for Obama's health reform legislation.
Unfortunately, when Romney was Governor, the Democrats were worried that John Kerry would be vacating his seat to be POTUS, so they made SURE that Romney would not be able to sneak in a Republican to replace him. But then, oops! That law didn't suit their purposes anymore.
In the past few weeks, when it suited the Democrats to be in a position to NOT wait for an election in January, the legislature hurried through a NEW law so Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick could name an interim Senator. The catch then became that there was a 90 day "waiting period" for the person named to take office. Unless it was deemed an "emergency".
So, Deval Patrick deemed it an "emergency" and presto chango Captain Kirk is now Sen. Kirk.
Politics is politics. Which ever party is in power usually tries to play games to their advantage.
As to Hatch's position, there must be Senate precedence for a vote of this magnitude that will impact just about everyone's lives, pocketbooks and even freedom (possible prison for not paying fines), that runs over a ten year period of time. That's a decade folks.
One thing about the Senate. They have lots and lots of rules. And by the time this vote comes down the rules will be straightened out to everyone's satisfaction...or there will be hell to pay for it come the midterms and 2012.
(P.S. It looks like it may be Pawlenty/Obama in 2012).
is a tool
and abbywood loves him some big tool
You can't compare changing the rules about how an individual state handles their senate with rules on how legislation is passed for the entire US.
Do they look like hypocrites in MA? Yes.
But it's not okay to try to change the rules just because the American people told you to take a hike.
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worse than what the Republicans did back in 2000 with Bush v. Gore with the Supreme Court or what Darrell Issa and Frank Luntz did to Gray Davis (overthrow his election) to get Arnie Schwarzenegger in as govenor, or what Ken Black did in Ohio for Bush in 2004. Or how about Tom Delay storm trooping to gerrymander districts in Texas? Or when the Repugs in the House during Bush's presidency locked the Democrats out of the House chamber and refused to let them occupy their seats.
The Democrats can't hold a candle to GOP hijinks. This is child's play in comparison.
Senators Rockefeller, Schumer, Stabenow and Widen of the Senate Finance Committee Sub-committee on Health, did a great job of pointing out that the Medical Industrial Complex's contribution to Health Care Reform, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is $20 BILLION and in return they will get $500 BILLION in TAX-PAYER FUNDED SUBSIDIES. Democratic Senators baucus, conrad, carper, lincoln and nelson voted with the republicans to kill the public option 09-09-29.
Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,
conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K
were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
(Source: OpenSecrets.org)
Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America's Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to over 47,000 deaths a year, 120 a day,5 an hour, in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.
12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)
Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved. A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.
bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock:
New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.
These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.
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You gave credit to senators that voted for a plan they knew would fail and where most have said they don't want a public plan. Don't give these turds any credit for being politically expedient. All of these senators except Jay are our enemies now. Wake up please!
and let them have the plans we are forced to have.
See how they like that.
this is worth a quick (re)read, culls some interesting factoids:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/spoile...
a tidbit from article: This fall while members of Congress toil in the U.S. Capitol, working to decide how or even whether to reform the country's health care system, one floor below them an elaborate Navy medical clinic -- described by those who have seen it as something akin to a modern community hospital -- will be standing by, on-call and ready to provide Congress with some of the country's best and most efficient government-run health care.
If he thinks it should pass by 70, it must be because he thinks it will pass by 60+. First good news I've had in a long time.
what orrin hatch thinks about ANYTHING?
and Tweety.
shouldn't be talking about anything, he should just go home and douche
Sorry, but I can't look at that gentleman slickster without thinking he's really a marionette. Just look at his lower jaw moving up and down, with blank eyes, and slick negativity, and that's all there is.
This devious ass****'s party lost the last two.....big.
Eff em.
...they are in power. It's time to quit fucking around with these losers.
not exactly a beacon light for the future is he?
they need to be relegated to the trash bin of history.
Who cares what they say, it's not 2002 anymore.
Their time has passed.
more honest than these two old dinosaurs on tv for a change.
Rachel Maddow is one of the first, we need more.
To Keith and Rachel and anyone else currently on MSNBC who has a brain.
it's not 1962 anymore.
fucking irrelevant dinosaurs
that made Utah what it was, has been, and will be for the forseeable future. Just don't ask to see Moroni's books when you visit the Tabernacle. Joe put them back in a safe place and you'll just have to take his word for everything.
Hey Orrin, the republicans LOST the last election. When are you guys gonna accept that?
These asshats lost two major elections and they hate Obama....fuck what they think.
involve jobs "real Americans" won't do, and given our stance on illegal aliens, they can thus never be done. So Health Care Reform must wait.
I say 120!
And don't bother me with any of your damn pesky facts, like how many votes there actually are.
120 or bust!!
In a way he's right. It seems the Democrats need MORE than a majority to be able to pass a public health care bill.
It's time we all did SOMETHING...
Hang a white ribbon for Public Health Care.
Please?
..why would he want to change the rules of the Constitution now? Why didn't he change the Constitution when we were about to borrow a trillion dollars from the Chinese to go fight a war we didn't have to fight, get 100,000 iraqis killed, make millions more homeless and get over 4000 brave Americans killed all the while allowing no-bid contracts so that more Americans could die due to faulty electrical wiring? Where was he when they wanted to spy on Americans and American soldiers talking to wives, friends and lovers? Why would he do that? Oh yeah, republican't. Orrin Hatch could f-ing care less about health care reform, F him! Now move on, get the Public Option and be done with fools like him.
"Why didn't he change the Constitution when we were about to borrow a trillion dollars from the Chinese to go fight a war we didn't have to fight, get 100,000 iraqis killed, make millions more homeless and get over 4000 brave Americans killed all the while allowing no-bid contracts so that more Americans could die due to faulty electrical wiring?"
If government is so bad, why didn't he step up to condemn the above thngs? I'd like to know how much Halliburton he, and everyone else in Congress, owns.
Shorter Orrin: We want to make it super hard to get "what's right" for the American people.
Ol' Orrin says this as if what he says reflects what 70%+ of the American people want. "What's right for the American people" as determined by your lobbyist friends,right, Orrin?
Just come to California if you want to live by Hatch's parliamentary rules. See how that works out for ya.
Seems to me the first question of the interview with these politicians should be how much money have you taken from the insurance lobby?
to contribute.
What Sen. Hatch doesn't mention is that no Republican will vote for ANY health care reform bill no matter how watered down. That would be a "win" for President Obama and they can't have that.
What continues to amaze me is that these people can continue to lie to the American public with such a straight face.
is nothing but a shell game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSiCeJpLhSk
Down the hatch...
Come on you sicko's, die already!
He is on stage one of the Republican Health Care Plan.
He has to get physically sick first before he must die quickly.
What you refer to is a mental disorder. Republicanism.
And make it snappy!!"
And still has NO CLUE as to what the Senate rules are??? What a filthy communazi POS idiot.
Surprise--crooks (the republicon party) are scum, who would have thunk it?
America and the American government allowed to be a part of that government???
they hate the burden of the masses more then anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcoQbCopuE
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2009/09/24...
Mandatory Health Insurance so healthy people can finance this?
What in the hell is that thing anyway. They are going to actually eat that?
You are not paying for their health care. You are paying for their health care services. They are doctors.
What you see is what they removed from Rush.
We have 50 state laboratories. We can look and see what really works and what really doesn‘t.
WHY YES!!! WE DO!!! And in EVERY one of those where Republicans have control they have the WORST economies and the worst health care situations!!!
EXCELLENT point.
"Mr. Carter is acting as if he hasn't been in charge for the past three and a half years; as if someone else was responsible for the largest deficit in American history."
--Ronald Reagan, nationally televised campaign speech, October 24, 1980. (Federal deficits totaled $252 billion under Mr. Carter. By the end of Mr. Reagan's presidency, federal deficits would total over 1.4 trillion.)
http://www.geocities.com/thereaganyears/econo...
your strategy for the next big rip off being orchestrated. I would take advantage of it.
"Deficits don't matter."
R. Reagan
From WAPO, 6/04
"The fiscal shift in the Reagan years was staggering. In January 1981, when Reagan declared the federal budget to be "out of control," the deficit had reached almost $74 billion, the federal debt $930 billion. Within two years, the deficit was $208 billion. The debt by 1988 totaled $2.6 trillion. In those eight years, the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the largest debtor nation."
Like Leon Czolgosz wasn't enough for you?
Seriously, say five Hail Meatballs and change your marinara.
...It was so vile and disingenuous that Facebook allowed it in the first place. I have a Facebook page and I never really use it; its all a big waste of valuable time and brain cells. Having said that, I will POST my first ever video on Facebook telling all of my "friends" how vile I thought that POLL was, how inappropriate I thought it was and then will disconnect FOREVER. It is after all, just a waste of time!
Your TV collects peanuts about you compared to your computer.
Disconnect both and wear a mask at the grocery store when you buy your duct tape and tin foil.
Yeah we need 60 votes. No, 65. What did I say? Oh yeah, SEVENTY VOTES. No, eighty! Definitely need 85 votes. What are we up to now? Yup, NINETY votes! That's the ticket.
Quick, someone give this man a new infusion of embalming fluid. He's starting to shrivel.
Even in reverse!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk
pass with a budget of roughly eleventy bazillion dollars.
For a "program" that has failed miserably and will continue to fail miserably.
Somebody remind me why I voted for the Wimpies in the last election?
I remember that it was supposed to be important...
I have not heard it.
passed by one vote thanks to Blue Hogs.
Because stopping the teenage sex drive with reason is so much easier than providing healthcare.
I don't believe any of the Wimpies you voted for cast a vote on that.
00.00 Democratic office holders in my neck of the arid grassland.
But I was just sayin.
Isn't it more like Money Insurance....
you know,....so you don't lose it all?
Well then, we'll just have to hit you with the old "inactivity fee."
I'll pay you back the second Tuesday of next week.
$45 the bank charges for overdraft protection when I get the $50 you need from my ATM.
A Dem Senator from Delaware has introduced a plan that would let individual states decide on the Public Option. This would pretty much ensure blue states have PO, red states don't.
The thing I like most about this idea is that in short time, the bitter baggers will realize they made a grave error and maybe stop electing morons to office.
Check the eligibility rules for Medicaid and CHIP in the South.
What are the differences?
If the feds don't set the eligibility levels, those state laboratories Hatch referred to get to set them so low nobody qualifies. So even when there is a national program, if you are in the South you have a small chance of getting to take advantage of it.
Bitter baggers do not believe they are capable of error.
..... tooth than admit to error, and I would feel badly for the good and innocent Southerners this would affect.
But then, they are free to move if they do not like the politics of their state.
The ones that could move left before WW II.
WHY ARE DEMOCRATS COMPROMISING ANYTHING?
It should be single-payer. We're the last civilized nation to get healthcare; we have plenty of other nations' systems to analyze.
Not that we have. We started off with single-payer off the table and the public option open to compromise in exchange for looking bipartisan (no real GOP votes are possible)
Hatch understands that if the GOP were in the Dems' position, there would be no compromising going on at all. He doesn't really understand why the Democrats are different. And as far as 'compromising' and settling for lesser benefits from the start, I don't either.
The American people gave the Dems a huge margin of victory in order to get this done. So do it.
because they answer to the same corp masters (ins/pharma)??
..off the table too. Look how well that turned out!
Why can no one get his name correct?
It is "Whorrin Hatch" prostitute in cheif.
republicanism is a mental illness!
So tell me, what would it take for the american people to actually stand up to thier overlords?
cutting off thier teevee?
reducing the supply of crack or meth available?
what values do the american people actually possess?
It's a group that is proposing/organizing a national strike on 11/3/09. That night be a good way to express our 'displeasure' at the greedy bastards who own the government and the lying thieves who pretend to be 'representing' us.
http://letfreedomring.community.officelive.co...
You better start building more jails lots of them because if we don't get a public option I refuse to be mandated into buying some criminal insurance that will require me to hire a lawyer to sue my insurance company to pay up.So start building those jails and we can get free insurance and meals and beds
he needs to get 100% of the vote to remain. And half should be Democratic--you know, for bipartisanship. Isn't that fair?
The Republicans are unable or unwilling to offer any sort of policy comment, and the best they can do is "70% of votes?"
I don't understand his argument AGAINST Medicare--which the repubs variously attack and then say they're going to save, BTW. What the hell does $38 trillion in "unfunded liability" mean, and where the hell does he get that number? Why doesn't tweety call him on this shit?
Can we say that the Iraq war has cost us $550 billion from 2003-2008 in "unfunded liabilities?" (source: Wikipedia; hey, it's not the best source, but at least I'm citing it)
If Orin feels that strongly about the 70 threshold, then he can draw up legislation to pass a rule requiring 70 votes to pass anything. Until then, Republicans can play by the same rules as everyone else.
Republicans are the party of No. If there were 70, Hatch would say he thinks it needs to be 80+. Republicans are the party of obstruction.
FU Hatch.
Then the GOP will think that health care should need 80 votes.
How many times will the GOP get a reminder that americans dont WANT them to have an equal say?
This is another tired GOP talking point, the reason why we must move painfully slowly on this issue. Healthcare accounts for one-sixth of the U.S. economy! The supposed greatest economy in the history of humanity and we waste 17% of it on treating illness? And the result is third-world outcomes!? "One-sixth of the whole American economy!" Will it ever occur to someone in the press corpse to counter with Yes, and THAT'S why reform is so critically urgent?
I have noticed the last 16 years that the Republican make up the rules as they go to a long favor what they want. I have also noticed that the Democrats seem to cave to their wishes. The Democratic Party had a chance to take America back, but are too worried about getting re-elected to do the peoples business.
I would like to ask Orrin Hatch how many votes should the SCOTUS have to overturn the campaign finance laws. Should there be a 5-4 decision? or should the SCOTUS have to be a full 9 votes in favor?
As well as how many votes did Orrin and his republican brothers have to pass medicare part D, or the Bush tax cuts?
Oh, Orrin was in the majority then?
...select the President of the United States of America?
When Bush the appointed was in office, these repug bastards shoved through the most radical fascist agenda in history, often with 50.1% of the vote, this, despite the fact they had 99% of the MSM carrying their water for them.
It's too bad that he hasn't joined his friend.
Yes, the GOP is the main problem, and the netroots are finally getting the clue that the Blue Dog Democrats are also the problem. But the main point? The one that is hinted at, but never actually said out loud? It's the average American. As they say, no one can take advantage of you without your permission.
I keep hearing that most Americans want a public option. I keep hearing that thousands of Americans die each year for lack of health care. I keep hearing that every American family experiences this hideous system we have. If not YOU, then a friend and/or family member.
So -- what does that say? Why would Americans keep voting in these Senators and Congressmen who ignore them? They don't put up with this in Europe. Or in South America. It tells me that Americans are fat, lazy, and hooked on American Idol.
Well, America gets what it deserves. The trouble is -- those with functioning brains don't deserve to be bogged down by the stupid majority.
Exactly.
Is it me or do you think that Orin should sue his plastic surgeon before they put tort reform in the health care bill.
Oh, and fuck you Hatch, I'm glad they screwed up you plastic surgery.
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Dear Senator Hatch,
F_CK Senate proceedure, YES?
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The obstructionist, liars in the Reslug party are such damn embarrassing, stupid assholes and lowlife liars to all Americans.
Well put Limp!
LET THE REPUBLICANS FILIBUSTER. The 60-vote threshold is simply to cancel the THREAT of a filibuster. For once in his life, Harry Reid should call the vote on the bill and hold that vote the minute the filibustering geezer passes out.
signed,
Orin Hatch
A million bilionty votes? This is such bullshit!!!
And when they got those votes, they would ask for more.
Yuck. He doesn't look good, does he?
Of course this is about destroying Health Care reform.
And of course they want to change the rules. Re=Thugs are a bunch of sore-loser cry-babies.
What Hatch is saying is "we don't care if we lost - we still get to make all the decisions around here"
That's NOT the way it works Hatch. THIS is how it works ...
YOU lost - if you can bury health care reform by playing by the same rules that have existed for decades - go for it.
If not -- then SHUT UP.
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Orrin looks like he's running out of gas and overheating. He better get himself to one of those co-op's or call his HMO to see if dying is covered!
So is 70 the new standard for passing bills in the Senate? Hatch can go f*ck himself. And why exactly should the healthcare industry be a sixth of the economy in the first place? Clearly, if we talk about healthcare reform in the terms of profit, actual treatment of sick people becomes a lesser consideration. And the repugs are supposed to be the pro-life party. Grayson has it right. They're a useless bunch of knuckle-dragging neanderthals.
You and your loser party lost the election. STFU, now, and let the adults do it, by the rules, the real ones, not the ones you make up as you go along.
Did Hatch demand 70 votes to invade Iraq? Fucking hypocrite.
by Fiat from the minority, why not make it 120 votes. Or 200?
I mean why stop at the fact that there's only 100 people in the Senate and it doesn't take 70 to impeach a sitting President.
The face of a fascist old bastard. Rot in hell you scumbag!
Ah Ha Ha Ha hahahahahahahahahah!....
Doug Emindorph said???? Oh...well, I guess that's that then.
Now it's 70 votes...
Why does the US have to be dominated by these bullies?
...that of the state of New Jersey?
Priceless.
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