Hardball: Decision '08 Biggest Losers
By Heather Friday Nov 07, 2008 5:30amChris Matthews goes over his list of Decision '08 Biggest Losers with Johnathan Allen and Michael Crowley.
#5-Sarah Palin
#4-Joe Lieberman
#3-Elizabeth Dole
#2-The Bradley Effect
#1-Karl Rove
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Where is John McCain on the list? He should be there. Not only did the guy lose the election, but he lost his dignity. His character is completely shot. His visciously negative campaign was a disgrace and brought politics to a new low and his flip-flopping on all his ideals lost him any sense of dignity or honor. John McCain should go away and retire in the desert.
Matthews' first sentence after saying "welcome back.." is " President Bush and John McCain were the obvious losers..."
This list is of the OTHER losers.
mccain's career is almost over anyway, not because of his dignity being shot or whatever...but because he's 74.
after he's gone he'll be remember as a war hero who's fortitude gave many of his brothers in arms the mental armor they needed to survive the hanoi hilton. and he's still respected in the senate and i believe that obama will view what he did as 'just business', just like he did with clinton...btw...is clinton a loser too?
as for karl rove being the #1 loser, he hated obama because he's a democrat, but he hated mccain PERSONALLY. he'll always have a place on fox news and he will probably command higher speaking fees than bush will...and bush is the friggin PRESIDENT. if you think that rove wont at least get offers for tenure at places like regent university then your out of your mind.
his career as a political strategist may be over, but karl rove might become the male version of michelle malking who, in turn, is the female version of ann coulter.
EDIT: the only way you can truly have rove on this list is if he ends up going to jail
Couldn't be a more deserving list, but I'd definitely put McCain in there at #2. Can anyone claim that McCain still has his dignity? I ****, er, can't.
Don't you think?
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The media gives McCain a free ride. He should have been #1.
The biggest loser was the separatist, exclusive wing of the Republican party....you folks can change or die.
And Palin isn't a victim of anything but karma.
Wow, this list can go on for days.
I'm gonna start with Nancy Pfotenhauer as one of the biggest losers.
She spewed way to much bullshit. Beck, Krauthammer, Billo,Barnes,hell the whole Faux Noooz hubbub. Carli Fionna.
Man Coulter, haven't heard from her much lately. But she spewed venomous crap like no other. Exceptin maybe Malkin.
There's way too many to list. Have a great day folks. IT'S FRIDAY!
So, off to work I go. 4 down, 1 to go. ManOMan , am I gonna party tonight!
Roast Karl's politics or at the very least throw him in prison.
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This is some great footage of the celebration in Harlem. Great
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It's because his head is shaped like tweety bird, right?
I only wish Michele Bachman was on that list. Here's to 2009.
And I'm really sad Proposition 8 is on that list, too. We have so much work left to do. I just hope we don't get complacent in the next two years and let all of this slide. All of our gains could be for nothing.
Keep the faith, people.
Yes indeed, add McCain and toss in Joe the plumber too.
Now I have been thinking of who might be Times man of the year. Is there any doubt it should be President-elect Barack Obama?
It's unusual enough for them not to select the winner in an election year.
It'd be a huge upset if they didn't choose Obama.
Not qualified to be secretary to the VP.
Not qualified to be VP of the PTA.
Not qualified to clean out my cat's litter box.
Not qualified to be IN my cat's litter box.
You win!!! :)
Not qualified to host a spelling bee.
The biggest losers are the ones that always lose, the majority of the voting age population.
2008 voter turnout = 64%
voted for the winner = 52%
That's 33% of the voting age population.
Once again, the president is picked without majority consent.
And most of the people that don't vote, don't vote because they realize that they don't have a real choice.
And, according to you, they exercised it - they chose not to vote.
I'm tired of this sort of WATB attitude by concern trolls. They don't have a real choice? Then screw them for being pampered little princesses.
It'd be great if we had candidates who appealed to every one of us 200 million or so Americans in the voting population ... but then we'd have 200 million or so candidates.
I can already see the concern trolls coming out from the far left, ready to get all pissy and moany when President Obama does something that they just don't agree with. Suck it up, sweethearts. That's the bitch and the beauty of living in a democracy. Learn to deal with it.
The biggest losers are the ones that always lose, the majority of the voting age population.
Do you mean the ones that didn't care enough to vote, or couldn't be bothered, ended up losing? The president is "picked" by those that vote.
Your analogy goes something like this, I don't have a "real choice" so I'm going to hide under the bed and blame everyone else for my shortcomings.
The president is "picked" by the power elite. The suckers, I mean voters, are riled up into supporting one establishment "candidate" or another. It doesn't matter which of them is elected, the power elite still win. And the people (that includes the suckers and those who pay attention) lose.
He launched poisonous attacks on Obama.
Sink him.
duBois = Win
Rahm Rahm Rahm, Rahm Rahm Iran
Guess Joe Lieberman has a halibut coming his way soon.
Everything about Lieberman's politics is already fishy.
Have you checked out the prices of halibut?
Its not because they didn't have a choice. Its because they are to lazy and don't give a shit. They will also be the first ones to bitch if something is done they don't like. They are losers.
Too lazy to do what? Take on the entire corporate power structure of the United States?
And when will you realize that you lose too? You just don't realize because they conned you (again).
You need to get laid.
In the last day or so, I've encountered a couple of people who confided that they decided to vote for Obama in the 11th hour.
I'm beginning to think there may have been somewhat of a reverse Bradley effect: Middle class, white traditional Republicans who voted for a black man but can't admit it to their neighbors.
I have suspected something like that would happen for some time now. They knew in their heart who the best candidate was but they just didn't want to be ostracized by their republican friends and family.
I think that this is a very significant factor in Obama's victory, particularly in traditionally red areas. Unfortunately, it cannot be adequately measured. Perhaps measuring it doesn't matter anyway.
until AFTER the election for this list?
They were losers BEFORE the election ended.
Had McCain won, we would all be the biggest losers.
A winner to put a smile on your face today.
...but the best thing on that page was the photo/caption of the toddler coloring on the upper right .....priceless!!!
I know! Every time I visit that site, I always just stop and look at that picture of that little boy and the caption.
May I nominate Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough and Mika. They just won't give up and accept the fact that Obama is in charge now. They haven't approved of any of Obama's choices so far. Why should we still be subjected to Scarborough's narrow minded views? Mika just tags along, however she is very, very defensive of Palin. Mika and Joe believe Palin will be vindicated and reappear as a US Senator. If Alaskans are dumb enough to re-elect Stevens guess they are dumb enough to elect Palin to Senate.
Please MSNBC find some new hosts of the morning show. These two are becoming increasingly intolerable.
If MSNBC doesn't find new hosts of their morning show, they will lose their ratings and fall into irrelevancy.
It's so patently obvious that they're trying to spin everything they can against Obama and it's only been 3 days since he eas elected. He's not president yet (in case these morons haven't realized it) and George W. Bush is still commander in chief.
The more these fools begin blaming someone who is not even president yet, the more irrelevant and twisted they become.
Morning Joe and Mika is a prime case of this. Turn them off and sink their Nielsens. That's where the real power of the people lies.
Tank their neilsens!
Couldn't agree more. There are so many 'neutral' people out there to replace them,so....hit them in the ratings and get rid of these repub. hacks. BTY,can't stand tweety,his about face doesn't erace his repub.ass kissing with me.
I think they're hoping that the Senate will toss Ted Stevens out on his felonious arse, which means the governor gets to appoint his replacement (as Frank Murkowski did when he became governor, he appointed his daughter, Lisa, to fill his seat).
That means Palin gets to pick, and there's nothing that says she can't pick herself.
You may be right, shadowgm, but I've read elsewhere that Alaskan law precludes that scenario. I don't have a link for it though.
The way Alaska is set up is that they have to have a special election. But even if the governor picked she cannot pick herself that is against the rules. If anything she's have to resign her position and elevate the LT Gov to Gov and have him appoint her. But Keith pointed out last night that special election is the rule in AK
Republicans lost and are sore losers. End of discussion.
Anything they try to spin against a president who is not yet running this country will only make them look small, cheap and trivial.
Of course, for these two looking small, cheap and trivial is a given.
I applaud your comment. It's gotten to the point where it's almost funny on that show. I think I keep watching sometimes just waiting for one of their heads to explode right there on the set. I'm not sure what is driving their defense of Palin. Mika has been in the tank for her from the beginning.
Most times you can switch from their show over to Fox and Friends and hear the very same comments. I think they are all getting their agenda from the same place.
Call it karma or simply the old Napoleonic mantra of "divide and conquer" under which the GOP has been operating for 8 long years....the problem was the people finally caught onto their chicanery and threw it back in their sorry faces.
It's safe to say that the remains of the GOP ALL are losers at this point. They've totally lost their way since Palin played to the rightwingnut extremists and McCain tried to play more center. Didn't work.
America has now seen the faces of this bizarre segment of society (The Palin crowd) and are rejecting it completely.
It will be interesting to watch those Reagan Republicans and Bob Barr Republicans attempt to save this party from self-destruction.
having to watch college graduation ceremonies." Love that comment. As a college professor who sits through a couple graduation ceremonies every year, I'll have even more to cheer for. This one is for you Karl - young people who can think.
Bye,bye Repugs.
As another university academic, why don't you share this sentiment with the families of your students who are graduating that day? I'm sure they will be thrilled to be apprised of the fact that you weren't exactly pleased to be in attendance.
I don't think that was the intention of the post. I took away that Rove wouldn't be pleased to see so many thinking young people in one environment. Not that Trii wasn't pleased to be there. Maybe it's just me....
if there is such a thing, was white repugs that in public would say they , without a doubt, would vote for McSame. but behind the curtain they thought better of it and voted for the only real choice, Obama.
as for Palin. she never should have accept the nod for V.P., thats on her, she knew she wasn't qualified for the job. As a contractor Myself, i've been ask to do things that i'm not qualified to do... and I don't do them. maybe she should have stayed at a holiday inn express before her interviews?
the biggest loser... the party of hate and discontent, the party of fear.... thats right, the republican party.
Come on media - wake up.
This idiotic phrase "The Bradley Effect" was just something made up to try and explain a politician's loss and never was a real thing.
Please go and listen to this piece about the "Bradley Effect" that was done by NPR's "On The Media"...
http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/10...
"The Bradley Effect" is a false correlation, like the researchers who determined that rabbit birth rates went up when sunspot activity was at its peak. The data seemed to support this ... and then the next cycle hit, and the correlation was disproven.
Even more bizzare is that we aren't dealing with the same politicians. Tom Bradley isn't Barack Obama, and George Deukmejian isn't John McCain. There are too many differences to dumb it down to some alleged 'effect.'
It seems like MSNBC needs to counter Olberman and Rachel by giving us Joe in the morning. I guess this is MSNBC,s way of being fair and balanced. Yuk...
McCain went against his own better judgment and chose Palin. He tossed his buddy Lieberman under the straight talk express in order to garner votes from the religious right. If he can be that easily swayed, he would have been a risk in the oval office.
Wouldn't put to much into what tweety says about the Demos...are we forgetting the last 8 years this guy was calling Bush a great president?...
Tweety is just a blow hard who will always jump to be on what he see,s as the winning side.
who voted for their Democratic candidates in good faith, but ended up with a convicted felon for a Senator and Palin back home anyway.
He's a convicted felon! And they re-elect him?!?
Palin has been replaced at the water cooler by the upcoming White House pooch (s)election.
..and I'm no fan of Chris Matthews either.
I don't care so much about the affiliation or even the motivation of mouthpieces such as him, as long as the truth still gets out.
He pwned Karl Rove at the end of the discussion and it was a big smile for me.
But it's so good to hear people talking about how utterly, totally completely unqualified the JOKE that was caribou barbie is for the job she was trying to steal.
It's embarrassing to think that anyone would consider trying to foist THAT on to an entire population.
I could see her being Ms.Special needs 2008 but vice president?
Maybe in bizarro world.
She's a complete joke and people who actually wanted her are really saying something about their IQs.
I hope the political dirt on this sorry, dumb bitch keeps coming...it's like early Christmas.
of Hannity the last couple nights just for the comedy I assumed I'd hear. That POS comes out babbling about how he hopes Obama's a good prez and he hopes for the best for the country he loves and then goes into his tirade about how radical and dangerous he is. Obama hasnt been sworn in yet and faux news's already campaigning against his 2nd term. Fair and balanced my ass.
That phrase only has meaning as a joke now. Thanks to faux.
I think it's an oxymoron. Means the opposite of what it says.
Morning Joe and Bill O (currently in mourning). Fuck 'em both.
They can go fuck each other.
One of my fondest memories of this election is the clip of Rove on Fox election night by their map explaining how McCain needed to win Ohio in order to win the election and then him being told that Fox was calling Ohio for Obama -- priceless!
No one really lost much.
McCain just lost another election to George Bush, but just like in 2000 he kept his day job.
All the right wing political pundits will still have there jobs and like Bill O will get a nice fat raise. While the comedians will moan the loss of their comedy gold mine, the pundits are rejoicing and will be ready to pounce and blow any mistake or misstep, by the Obama administration, out of proportion.
Politics is a pendulum and in another 4, 6 or 8 years the Republicans will be back in power.
We saved the Supreme Court from decades of Hell. We can now stop this illegal/immoral shithole in Iraq, and investigate our home grown War criminals. The democratic process basically told your party and it's "whites only" agenda to eat shit. I could go on and on, but if you think "no one lost" you're just a liar.
Let me begin by saying, Palin got what she deserved. I can't help but see her, now, as the sacrificial lamb being offereed up by the GOP to defray the blame from their failed ideologies. They threw an unqualified woman into the deep end, told her to swim, and hoped she'd get the evangelical and "vagina" votes. She probably did her best, even though I didn't dig it.
Nonetheless, I'd be happy for her to stay in Alaska forever, where she probably belongs. I don't want to see her type of poison infused into the system.
Sarah, just go away, and stay away, and I'll forget the whole episode. Deal???
"#2 - The Bradley Effect"
Sorry, but The Bradley Effect was very much in evidence, alive and well in this election.
It is odd that some networks and pundits are ignoring the very wide-margin, pro-Obama pre-election polls they spent hours discussing in order to declare Obama the winner before November 4th and are now suggesting that those same polls were all accurately telling us it was going to be a 6 point finish.
2008 Pre-Election Polls:
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
Here are only some of the major, national polls (and the point advantage they stated for Obama) whose last pre-election poll WAY over-stated the actual vote point spread between Obama and McCain (6 points).
Gallup (three methods)_11, 11 and 13
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby_11
CBS/NYT_11
Newsweek_12
NBC/WSJ_11
ABC/Washington Post_9
Contrast that with the accuracy of the pre-election polls for the two previous presidential elections, where NONE of the major, national polls were as far off the mark as those above.
2004 Pre-Election Polls (Gore vs Bush):
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
Virtually ALL of the major, national polls were within a small, ordinary margin of error of the final vote point spread between the winner and the loser (2.4 points)
2000 Pre-Election Polls (Kerry vs Bush):
http://www.pollingreport.com/2000.htm#LATEST
Virtually ALL of the major, national polls were within a small, ordinary margin of error of the final vote point spread between the loser and the winner (0.5 points)
Considering that many of the major, national polls over-stated Obama’s support by 5-7 points, if they instead had only shown a 5-7 point advantage for Obama on the morning of the election, it is very probable that McCain would have won.
You could NOT have said that about the pre-election polling of 2000 or 2004.
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