Halperin: 'It Paints Such a Different Picture' if Obama's Standing With Republicans When Announcing Afghan Policy
By Heather Friday Nov 13, 2009 10:00am
Oh isn't this lovely? More Villager group think from the cast of Morning Joe. After Scarborough doing his some water-carrying for Dick Cheney and ranting about Obama delaying his decision on troop levels in Afghanistan, Scarborough and Mark Halperin both agree on one thing. Obama just needs to kiss more Republican ass to be taken seriously—because we know in the world of the Scarborough’s and Halperin’s out there, only Republicans have any credibility on national security.
Halperin: Imagine two scenarios—he announces it standing there by himself, or with Democrats (gasp!) when he makes this decision, or imagine him standing there with John McCain, or other prominent Republicans on national security. It paints such a different picture if he’s with the Republicans.
Yeah, that’s just what he need Halperin. Obama and Mr. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran standing hand in hand announcing his Afghanistan policy. News flash to Halperin—McCain lost the election. And Obama needs to be listening to his base, not McCain.
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I wonder what Republican wants to have the wrath of every Freedom Works, Teabagger, Glenn Beckian mob and go into their next campaign with every conservative bigshot against them?
Obama could propose a resolution to "hug your grandma" and not get one Republican to stand with him on it. Of course, these guys know it and are just doing their job as partisan
journalistsactivists.when they're attacking war monger, McCain and Lieberman lover Lindsey Graham for not being partisan enough, the GOP has some real problems. Bring it on Palin and Armey!...lol.
How Patriotic Bush, Cheney , Rove , Ashcroft and the other war hawk republicans which ran like h... from a war when it was their turn to serve in a war for our country when it was their turn..
You actually have American's which are patriots and love their country , then you have those which use the flag and patriotism as a method of gaining power and wealth..
No one ever brings out the fact that Saudi Arabia was the home of the terrorist of 911 and Bush , Cheney and the republicans just keep kissing their a... And of course Bush , Baker , Saudi Arabia , Bin Laden and other countries were if not still partners in the Carlyle Group or associates in the money and businesses dealing..
Looks like the best connection to have followed with the attack would have been through Saudi Arabia and their citizen Bin Laden and the 15 terrorist which were citizens and funded by organizations in Saudi Arabia...
Instead of a country with OIL , which have been strip of the WMD , years before... But ,, Cheney , Oil companies and others have been drooling at the mouth to take for over Iran's oil supply 20 years..
Republican Reagan build Saddam and Bin Laden into heroes & strong leaders doing his criminal administration..
Bush Sr. invaded Iraq on orders by Saudi Arabia to protect them and their oil in the Gulf War...
Now Bush Jr. gets his war hawks of Oil lovers and Saddam haters and lowers the BOMB - BOMB - BOMB on Iraq...
Cheney is mad as h... he could not take Syria , Iran and N. Korea on , before leaving his thrown.
But just who does the new media and the republicans attack for Bush / Cheney's earth scorching and criminal destruction of our country , democracy , freedom and economy while sending our manufacturing plants and jobs overseas..
Of course Obama , the democrats and the left wing of the democratic party..
H... the left or progressives has been the only advise that Obama through his right hand (and I mean Right-wing) Emanuel has not taken..
Obama loaded his committees with blue dog republican and republican- republicans.
Take it back to stormfront, or freerepublic, or whatever scum pit you managed to crawl up out of...
is also increasingly anti-semetic. The scent is not sweet and the sentiments are hardly progressive.
If he wants bipartisan support, he would have to add the Douchepak amendment that you can only hug your grandmother if she isn't another race. Wholesome, middle-American, real citizens don't look kindly on any hint of miscegenation.
Hmm...do they want to stand next to him in the hope of appearing centrist...or do they want to stand next to him in the hope that he will appear more right wingnutteryish?
"It paints such a different picture if he’s with the Republicans"
it sure would! it would be like finger paiting with gorilla poop.
i can't think of too many media whores with less credibility than mark halperin. not even joe scar.
Good on ya!
Nice twist with the gorilla poop addition, BTW. Extra points awarded for style there.
How about Republicans standing with Obama? Wouldn't that be a nice picture?
"Until this thing blows over? Stay the fuck away from me."
As Groucho Marx said in Horse Feathers..."I have to stay here, but there's no reason why you folks can't go out into the lobby, until this thing blows over."
n/t
for your handle.
Good grief...
Amen.
"regressive"
Or it could have meant "proudly oppressive"
the possibilities are endless really. For Einstein, irnoically a Jew btw, once said that two things were infinite: the universe and the stupidity of some humans. Later on he revealed he wasn't so sure about the universe's...
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You're a bigoted pig.
... Obama can stand with the Democrats, who pretty much rolled over and played good doggie throughout the whole of the Bush Administration ...
... or he can stand with the Republicans, who supported starting a war on false pretenses and are now wringing their hands about Afghanistan, the Taliban, and Pakistan's nukes, when progressives were pointing this stuff out in 2003.
Stand with the whipped dogs or the vicious masters. What a choice.
And Halperin? Credibility means you're RIGHT about something, not RIGHT WING.
So why has Obama adopted so many Cheney/Bush policy planks?
I don't want to flog a dead donkey here, but let's look at some of the list of policies that Obama has continued: USA Patriot Act, Telecom Immunity for illegal wiretapping, Iraq War continues, getting ready to add 34k troops in Afghanistan (via McClatchy), continued saber-rattling against Iran, no prosecution of Cheney/Bush war crimes, HC Insurance reform VS real HC reform, etcetera.
Between Rahm Emanual, the "Wall Street Mob" as advisors & cabinet positions, Obama's catering to Blue Dogs, DINOs & GOP in the name of "bipartisanship", the only thing less surprising coming from the Obama administration than "small change you can believe in (nickels & dimes)" would be an announcement that, in mid-term, Obama is switching parties. (Of course, Glenn Beck's head would truly explode on-camera.)
I predict that after the 2010 mid-term elections, Obama will be considered a lame duck by the netroots, and there will be a liberal progressive Democratic challenger to Obama in 2012.
(Full Disclosure: I consider my politics to be somewhere to the left of either Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders, have never voted for a Republican, ever, but did vote for BH Obama in 2008 - call it buyer's remorse ... )
Wildly agree with every last word.
take control of this country and destroy the two party system of corruption that is oppressing the working people. These wealthy political elites are simply trading seats, playing golf and hanging out at the same upscale eateries on our dime. Eliminate these capitalists and communism could work. Mike Moore says the time for capitalism is over and I agree. Look at Chavez and the way the lives of the poor and working class have improved as the rich elites are forced to do what is right by the people. Podesta, Van Jones and a true diverse group of intellectuals that want honest reform for the working class should move now, bypass Obama and the republikooks and bring in genuine equality.
Scarborough has to be wondering..."FUCK...Dobbs gets fired and will probably wind up at FOX. What the hell do I have to do to get fired...take a shit in my morning joe on camera?"
The rethugs refuse to stand with the president on anything which classifies them as an irrelevant minority. Get it?
Isn't it about time for these clowns to let go of this infantile "glory of war" mindset?The last 8 years wasn't enough for these wanna -be's?Earth to the Morning Joe crew:Obama was awarded a Nobel Prize.
Why do you suppose that is?To carry on where George W left off?
Well, yeah, but please don't make me hold my breath while waiting.
Maybe I should start a church or something. Seems you have to be wearing a funny hat (tinfoil or otherwise) to be heard nowadays.
Liberal Democrat Survivors
... if I'm starting a church, it's gonna be a fun deity. ;D
"The Church of Shadows. Putting the FUN back in fundamentalist!"
/snark
Even Biden
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and we get chicken wings and powdered mashed potato's.
Okay?
Why am I not surprised that a believer in the 2012 nonsense is also an anti-semite?
There are Jews who are not Zionists, so you are not saying that displeasure with Israel is anti-semitic. Correct?
Im stating the fucking obvious. If you don't honestly think there is anti-semitism in these idiotic posts you're either stupid, or a bigot as well.
To be honest, the proudlyprogressive posts I read did not make enough sense to be offensive.
Well, with such an eloquent reply, who could possibly question your motives.
I notice you didn't answer the question though.
they are usually found in farm land, or in intellectually dishones debate techniques. And I don't see much in terms of crops around here so...
I'm saying that when someone says something like "the jews were funny before zionism" or other crap like that, then they're a bigot.
When someone rants about 'zionism' it just strikes me as being someone who probably thinks the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a historical document.
It's neo-nazi bullshit, and I really don't have to explain myself to someone who is either to dense, or too stupid to see what's going on with such insane rants about 'zionism'. Calling Rahm Emanuel a 'Zionist', and other bullshit like that is not an 'eloquent' argument to make, so don't be surprised when I call a bigot a bigot...
Displeasure with Israel, even vehement criticism of Israel, in and of itself, is not anti-semitic.
Turning every thread, regardless of topic, into an endless screed against Jews (while using Zionism as cover) is pretty blatantly so.
There are plenty of legitimate beefs against Israel. Whether Republicans should stand with Obama on Afghanistan is not one of them.
I was trying to get clarification of a remark already posted.
I don't believe that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic. But I am aware that are people who do believe that the minute anything negative is said about the governing principles of Israel,they are being anti-semitic.
I am a fan of Rabbi Michael Lerner, and find him to be most reasonable on many topics, including Israel.
I made no comment on any other remark. I am ignoring Tyler.
I'm in the camp that you can criticize the policies of Israel and not be anti-Semite.
I don't believe in categorizing people by race anyways.
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... are a clear fire hazard. Even the great belzebob knows that!
Back away.
I'm thinking there's a can of silver spray paint behind this.
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..and then have him arrested for his war crimes.
serious?
He can share a cell with W the Usurper
We must make the best use of all our resources. Given that Republicans have been creamed for two successive elections; that they can't even mount a filibuster without outside assistance; and that their approval numbers rival Bigfoot's, is there really anything else they can do besides assist at a photo-op?
I say McCain holds the lights.
lost comments. I feel lonelier than a Republican at Obama's Afghan announcement.
There was a very good Diana Krall link somewhere up there.
;-)
Maybe even an adam's apple appeared. Sorry I missed the whole thing. All I can report ( from the supermarket checkout)is that Obama's announcement is immaterial because he has lung cancer. Orly Taitz will now have to fight the GLOBE for a copy of his death certificate.
HOLY CROW!! I step away for an hour!!...What'd I miss?!?!
Occam's razor's were flying, strawmen were dichotomized in front of little children who needed to grow up, chessmen were decapitated in 3-D, projections were falsified, comments analyzed, degrees compared, fiver started it, and Diana Krall was invoked.
Oh...just a typical day at C&L.
It is not a typical day until ricky tells us how much he doesn't care, by repeatedly letting us know how much he doesn't care about how we don't care that he doesn't care.
you cuddly care bear.
But I probably should have gone with the Joe Cocker arrangement instead.
I think Bigfoot is far more popular than the GOP. Or are you referring to the monster truck? If so, I stand corrected.
... isn't the gaffer. Eeewww.
I'm also thinking their may be a huge intra-party battle over who should be best boy.
Ooops, that should have been HALPRIN IS A LOSER....And all his rethuglican tongue-in-rear pals...
Ever since this tool revealed that he "checks Drudge 12 times a day" and lives for Drudge's "flashing red light announcements", he lost all credibility as a "reporter".
... I think one's credibility is in the toilet long before you're reduced to waiting for Matt Drudge to drool.
Duo duels over drudge drool. Credibility in crapper.
You know,the Defense Secretary,from the W Administration? Does Gates no longer count as a Republican?
In the same segment,Maria Bartiromo said he needs to bring in someone from the business world. Guess Geitner isn't "business" enough for her.
I am more and more convinced that the country is lost for the foreseeable future. All one has to do is watch TV and see the constant salute to America and the "troops" over veteran's day. All brought to us by the single most UN-American company to ever exist: Walmart. There is the Military Industrial Complex, the Health Care Industrial Complex, the Media Industrial Complex, and every other Industrial Complex all, day by day, increasing their power, decreasing the competition, controlling more and more of everyday information that the average people of the world receive. The way so many people eat up the lies is very depressing. The end of the dream of our founding fathers will not come with crying and regret but with thunderous applause and a long standing ovation.
maybe the mayans got it right after all, regarding 2012.
We have Cheney left-behinds (moles) in the Obama administration, a dual-citizenship chief Obama advisor, Rethug hold-overs in positions of power (M.I.C.), non-lobbyist lobbyists from the Wall Street Mob embedded in the administration, an apparently complete adoption of Cheney/Bush national security and foreign policy by the Obama administration, and now Obama on a Far East road trip to visit the USA's biggest creditors for a larger hand-out before turning Afghanistan "The-Forgotten-War" into Afghanistan "The New & Improved Quagmire".
When major domestic and foreign policy positions remain the same regardless of which political party is (nominally) held to be in power, it belies that "Change You Can Believe In" meme. It also reveals who the real power behind the curtain truly is - the Corporatist State.
I wonder why Scarborough and Halperin never suggested the same idea when Bush was announcing military strategy? I don't remember them ever saying how much better it would've looked if Pelosi had been standing there with Bush.
Bush made it clear: the president is "the Deciderer", and everyone else can go to hell. Have "the rules" changed?
"standing with Republicans"..you mean like the Secretary of Defense Bob Gates? You stupid Republican shill. Halperin is a Refearican and has no credibility.
The repuglic&*ts won't be standing next to Obama no matter what he does. They have shown themselves time and time again to be only interested in one thing, the complete undermining of ANYTHING Obama is for. It's really quite simple. FTR baby. Save your effort. FTR!
considering that the Obama administration more closely resembles a Republican-lite administration, very little from the Rahm/Obama administration would surprise me, excepting an announcement that Obama has experienced a "moment of clarity" and has decided to switch political parties.
(Am I a liberal progressive independent suffering from buyer's remorse, after supporting and voting for Obama in 2008? Absolutely! Would I vote for a Republican in 2012? Never have, never will!)
You think the R's are going to start backing Obama? That'll be the day.
The scary thing is that the Obama White House is such a political cluster-fuck that they might actually consider doing this.
Yeah, a very bad one. We don't want the Thugs standing there.
If I was looking for credibility I wouldn't think of McCain, or any other rethug for that matter.
Since I can't give money to Time Warner any longer I don't have cable so I can't listen to the Trained Monkeys spout crap anymore and I've been so much more calm if somewhat fatalistic ever since.
My TV stopped working about a month ago, and I never bothered to replace it; a decision i'm more satisfied with every single day.
You don't realize how much BS the TV promotes until it's gone for awhile.
"Fringe" has been all kinds of cool this season.
That would be a switch. But we're supposed to keep tacking right like the Democrats and cheer and wave the flag and be SO proud of Haliburton's next profit report.
Did I miss something?
I've never seen so many deleted comments.
Did something go horribly awry with the CERN Large Hadron Collider and C&L is slowly,one comment at a time,being sucked into a Black Hole?
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Like Palin's political career.
speaking of black holes...
The media and the GOP need to be constantly reminded that the Republicans lost. Their ideas on issues both foreign and domestic were roundly rejected by the American people last year. We don't care what they think about anthing. We don't want their help or suggestions on anything. The only people who seem really interested in what they have to say are them. Just look at how they're slobbering all over this latest Palin fiasco. Meanwhile, we Dems couldn't care less about this lightweight hillbilly!
of course, by continuing to employ a rather large number of Republicans in Obama's administration. That, and the majority of Dems in Congress rolling over on their backs like a puppy to be rubbed on it's tummy and scratched behind the ears. Oh, right, extending the hand of bipartisanship has worked so very well for any kind of "Change You Can Believe In". Priceless. It's all haiku - political theater.
The Corporatist State is in control of both parties. With the exception of the radical fringes of both parties, which are little more than annoying "loose cannons" to the Plutocracy. That, and helping to fill the 24-hour news cycle for our entertainment, even better than "Survivors".
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The G(no)P is NOT strong on National Security...
... Just look at 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan. All caused by a (R)epublican Administration.
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Mark Halperin = G(no)P apologist
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Obama isn't asking republicans to stand with him. Why would he? He stands with THEM. You all, we all, have it all backwards, people.
But keep on ignoring what the administration is doing, cuz that's the whole purpose of the constant, astonishing silliness coming from the right: to keep our anger directed away from the obvious, focused on the CLOWNS.
GRRRR, Glenn Beck, spit, cuss, Michelle Bachman, rrrarr! (See? I'm busy, don't pester me.)
We have a winner! Spot on, Carly.
Looks like political theater to me, too.
Stand with Republicans? You can't stand with someone if they won't stand with you.
If these assholes want Obama to "stand" with any of them, maybe they should try to support something other than the same garbage that put us into these wars and the economic mess in the first place.
Trying to paint this debate on bipartisanship as one-sided, all the responsibility lies with Obama, is rediculously ignorant.
The Republicans simply can't accept the fact they lost the presidency and both chambers of commerce... oops I mean Congress. Here's a news flash... he doesn't have to stand with Republicans or Democrats or anybody else when he announces his decision. If he does, great... but it's not a requirement.
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