Talk about a fringe...

somehow we have to move away from this, somehow the citizenry must be educated as to the nature of the capitalist system and it's inherent injustice. the pukes control the media, that pretty much leaves the web and personal one on one proselytizing ........... sounds just almost religious, doesn't it?

i don't look for any help from the donkey, the asses are just as sold out as the pukes. what is bad is that even life-long lefties like me are willing to compromise, just not on essentials like utilities, commodities, and the like. just because one accepts the marxist critique doesn't mean you want to go all bolshevik, just mixed economy, a limit to price gouging on commodities, an end to virtual financial products, sensible stuff. it really is important to understand where you are though, which is where old uncle karl comes in. neither party seems to be interested in truly sensible solutions, witness the health care reform debacle, no, if we proles want any help, we are going to have to help ourselves, the donkey has gone to the dogs.

We had vacation plans for Wisconsin this year, but I canceled them and notified business groups, and tourism groups that my family and I will not spend another minute in Wisconsin if their Governor takes away collective bargaining rights from state, county, school district, and municipal employees.
We had made 9 separate vacation trips to Wisconsin since 1990, and have generously spent our hard earned cash over the years, but I will not spend another minute in Wisconsin if Walker gets his way with collective bargaining.
I would encourage anyone who had travel plans (real or imagined) to call Wisconsin tourism groups and let them know you will boycott the state.
Wisconsin relies heavily on tourism, especially from Chicago and N. Illinois, and if businesses that realize much of their income from tourism sees their income drastically reduced because of a political stand by their Governor of 3 months.....the s#$t will hit the fan.

Trying to find something up beat, Mr Hayes has been doing a bang up job as a sub on these programs. He has lost his initial nervousness.

On the down side I agree the Democrats give away the store before the negotiations start. Here in America we define "Insanity" as doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Another culture defines "Insanity" as being honest with a dishonest person. If I remember Anthropology from college that other culture is the Arabs, but I might be wrong on this. In any case both apply to the Democrats.

Some time ago Robert Reich was on Daily Show, back when guests sat on a couch. They were discussing some repugnant Rethug behavior of giving the store to big business. His point was the Democrats do this too. Just follow the money.