Feingold: Troop Surge Will Be "Difficult to Stop Now" But "We'll Do Whatever We Can"
Russ Feingold reiterated what he’s been saying all week, that our troop escalation in Afghanistan doesn’t make any sense and will only increase instability in the region and Pakistan. When asked if there was anything that could be done to stop this now Feingold said this:
FEINGOLD: Well, that's difficult. And what's going to happen here is that it's probably going to be difficult to stop it now. We'll do whatever we can. We're already working with members of both parties in both houses to question whether this funding should be approved. We're going to fight any attempts to use sort of accounting gimmicks to allow it to be funded. If there's an attempt to have an emergency supplemental, I think that's something we're going to oppose, not only on the grounds of it being an unwise policy, but also being fiscally irresponsible.
Full transcript via ABC News.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You heard Secretary Gates there. Even though you've called the president's decision an expensive gamble, he says the United States must escalate because this is the epicenter of extremist jihad, and that's why our vital national security interests are at stake.
FEINGOLD: Well, Pakistan, in the border region near Afghanistan, is perhaps the epicenter, although Al Qaeda is operating all over the world, in Yemen, in Somalia, in northern Africa, affiliates in Southeast Asia. Why would we build up 100,000 or more troops in parts of Afghanistan included that are not even near the border? You know, this buildup is in Helmand Province. That's not next door to Waziristan. So I'm wondering, what exactly is this strategy, given the fact that we have seen that there is a minimal presence of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but a significant presence in Pakistan? It just defies common sense that a huge boots on the ground presence in a place where these people are not is the right strategy. It doesn't make any sense to me.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But isn't the point they're making that if we don't defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, that will strengthen the Taliban as well in Pakistan, and that will put us at risk, because Pakistan of course has nuclear weapons?
FEINGOLD: Well, it's just the opposite. You know, I asked the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, and Mr. Holbrooke, our envoy over there, a while ago, you know, is there a risk that if we build up troops in Afghanistan, that will push more extremists into Pakistan? They couldn't deny it, and this week, Prime Minister Gilani of Pakistan specifically said that his concern about the buildup is that it will drive more extremists into Pakistan, so I think it's just the opposite, that this boots-on-the-ground approach alienates the Afghan population and specifically encourages the Taliban to further coalesce with Al Qaeda, which is the complete opposite of our national security interest.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So can we do? Pull out, pull out of Afghanistan now?
FEINGOLD: We should have a rational policy to, over a timetable of the next several years, to withdraw in a rational way. I'm afraid that the president's idea, which is to just set a date where we may start withdrawing troops, gives nobody anything they want. It doesn't give the Afghan people a belief that we're actually leaving. It doesn't give the American people any confidence that we have a plan to finally end this.
But I think the best thing we could do would be a real timetable, flexible timetable that says, look, we're going to continue this for a reasonable period, but it is not the top priority in going after Al Qaeda. It is certainly not the top priority for the people of the United States, given our economic problems. So from either an international nor a national level, does it make sense to put so many resources into a place that doesn't even involve our basic national security needs.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So if the real problem is Pakistan, what more should we be doing there right now?
FEINGOLD: Well, I think we should be figuring out a way to do what many have suggested -- and even the Secretary of Defense suggested in this interview with you -- which is, there is a way to go after these extremists -- particularly the Al Qaeda operatives anywhere -- by cooperating with the Afghan government, by cooperating with the Pakistani government. This is what we have done in the past in Somalia and other places to get Al Qaeda operatives. But the idea of huge troops on the ground doesn't seem to advance that interest whatsoever.
I guess the way I'd look at it is this, George: You know, if -- if -- if we never invaded Afghanistan and we knew what was going on there now, we looked at it, we saw the problems with the government, we saw the fact that there are so many people who are -- who are having a problem with -- with our presence there, if they saw that -- that, in fact, Al Qaeda was based in Pakistan and other places, if they saw the enormous economic problems in our own country, who would advise that we invade Afghanistan at this point? Nobody would.
So the question should be, if we wouldn't do it on those facts, why would we continue it now?
STEPHANOPOULOS: Except that's where the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were launched from.
FEINGOLD: That's right. And that's the only argument. But, you know, we chased these guys over into Pakistan. So why would we continue something that we wouldn't even initiate today? It doesn't relate directly to our fight against Al Qaeda in any way like it did in 2001.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Is there any way you can stop this?
FEINGOLD: Well, that's difficult. And what's going to happen here is that it's probably going to be difficult to stop it now. We'll do whatever we can. We're already working with members of both parties in both houses to question whether this funding should be approved. We're going to fight any attempts to use sort of accounting gimmicks to allow it to be funded. If there's an attempt to have an emergency supplemental, I think that's something we're going to oppose, not only on the grounds of it being an unwise policy, but also being fiscally irresponsible.
But in the end, George, what's going to happen is, if we continue this policy and build up these troops, there's going to be more and more members of Congress who aren't comfortable with it, and it's not just going to be Democrats.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So you grant that the funds are there right now, but if they come back in the spring for $30 billion or $40 billion, that's where you'll make your move and try to block it?
FEINGOLD: I don't grant that the funds are there now. We are operating at huge deficits in this country, and the idea of continuing to spend for this war goes -- flies right in the face of the American people's priority to bring spending down.




Good one!
What we are doing is trying to make a baloney sandwich out of Iran by posting U.S. Armies on both sides of them. Iraq and Afghanistan being the white bread.
Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba... Democrats keep saying that THEY can not do this we can not do that... When they were the minority we heard it 24/7... After we gave them control of the House of Representatives they claim that was not enough... Now they have it all and they are still passing the same type of corporate welfare bills complaining that ... What is NONE the Minority republicans will not let them do it.... Or the left or progressives are stopping them..
Face it they have not done a d.... thing for the voters which took their time , money and support to give them everything they ask for..
But when it comes to helping the Banking monopoly (here and overseas) ,
GM car company (Selling cars for Japan and other overseas car manufacturers , With the clunker deal.... Do people realize that most dealers didn't even give a cut in the price of their automobiles just the clunker rebate ,
Now the health & drug companies..
Of course the war , because there is lots of money for these war contractors , mercenary armies..
Even some of the elected Senators and House members gain from these contracts...
As Senator Feinstein which has some control on the committee which gives out the war contracts and guess what,,,, Her husband has receive some and they have made a mint on it.
Just like the elected Representatives receive their pay raises by not voting for it when it comes up ,,, so they do not embarrass themselves.
This is why NONE of the elected representatives will pass a bill to STOP corporate lobbying to pay them Huge political donations.... They love the billions and trillions of political funds they receive from these banking , health , drug , war contractors , Foreign businesses which they receive by doing BIG favors for them...
After all we lose NOT THEM>>> Lots of times there is even corporate jobs waiting for them after they lea
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Then see how damn popular the war is.
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
millions of under-employed young men who seek to work off their testosterone by blowing things up?
Why bother with a draft?
... backdoor insurance coverage for themselves and their dependents.
This country reminds me of poor people who can afford only the bare essentials, but still go out and buy fire crackers on theFourh of July just to hear it go BANG!
We can't afford benefits for our people, but can afford to blow things up half-way around the world.
PATHETIC!
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
Why do you believe the draft was dropped and changed to a volunteer service..
There would be a lot of Rove , Rush , Cheney and other useless war hawks running around bitching to get out of the war or keep their family members out.... Like Cheney stated that he had OTHER IMPORTANT matters to take care of is why he did not serve......
Now because most Americans do not have to worry about actually going to war they really do not care...
So the military keeps getting our young citizens out of work by their criminal policies) to join the service for a job..
And they also get foreign citizens to join the military in hopes if they are still alive to receive a citizenship to our country..
I wonder if Hillary and Obama would be so quick to increase the troops in the middle east if THEIR Daughters or family members would have to serve...
But We even know by the past , people that love to start wars and send others to die,, run like hell when it was their turn to serve..
Rush , Rove , Cheney , Bush , Ashcroft , Rumsfeld served as flight instructor... Most of the A.. Holes which are sending our military and destroying our economy were too chicken s... to serve...
Obama , Hillary and Bill did not serve either did they...
All of these elected officials are starting to turn my stomach...
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What the spineless Dims can do now that the didn't do before is cut off funds. Force the wars to be on budget and force the Pentagon and the WH to justify those specific needs in relation to the nation's other needs.
Or they could stop kissing general's back sides, by buying into all their whining about why this or that effort has failed, - make them account for every dime spent and give our generals a put up or shut up and come home deadling. And make that deadline some time in 2010 before the election.
Even Bill Clinton couldn't repeat what he had to do during the 90's to salvage this country from the damage Reagan and Bush Sr. inflicted.
What a blowhard. Geez Russ, nothing you can do eh? How about get up off your back and start using parliamentary power for a change. Neither you nor anyone else in the chickentshit caucus will even use the tools that are your right.
talk, talk talk talk talk. Do.......... zip, nada, 0, nothing. Sorry, too busy working on the portfolio to consider the needs of the people.
It's the third world they have been building for the citizens of the US. It's us, we are them and they are our enemy.
..Stop using the spending argument. Its not spending that needs to be reigned in. Its revenue that must be collected by reversing the w tax cuts on the rich. Other than that, pigs will fly before you have consensus with the other party on anything, so forget that too. I do think you should hold the President's feet to the fire though and get our troops out as soon as we hit July 2011; that would be courageous. So would starting up the DRAFT and after 07/11, no draft, no more war!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
"The only 11 that matters is the one with a 9 before it."
Giuiluliani at some point.
The Democrats Ever turn sour and arrogant in the past 9 plus years... There is only a handful of real democrats anymore which are worth voting for...
I can not tell the difference between Obama , Emanuel , Hillary , blue dogs and centrists or the corporate republican anymore...
Same policies , just a different story..
We should have known from the start when we heard the BS and deceit coming from Obama , Emanuel and others about they have to move away from the left and to what is the center right...
Just when in the he.. in the past 9 plus years have they even talk to the left , progressive.. They use us through the news media for their failed policies which are the same as the previous administrations.
NONE of the policies Obama campaign on ,,, or any policy which might benefit the citizens of this country have been even considered but completely ignored...
The only reason they keep their base around is for their funds , support and votes,,, then we are kicked in the ba..s.. and tell them to shut up ,, we are destroying their changes of re-election...
Well wonder why the Independents and others which voted for them have turned on them also... I do not see them attacking the independents as they are the progressive..
When over 65 percent of Americans said the wanted a change in POLICIES and a ROBUST public option ,, they are not just the left or progressives...
Every time they condemn the left/progressive they hammer another nail in their coffin..
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... whom are we fighting in Afghanistan?
The taliban? We'll be there forever, because they will be.
Al qaeda? They are only present minimally. They are everywhere. Who claims that they have to have Afghanistan as their base? They can operate from many countries sympathetic to their cause. When was the last time al qaeda confroted us in Afghanistan? It is always the taliban.
Expect Karzai to control his(?) country? With all those warlords protecting their poppy crops? You gotta be delusional.
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
am i supposed to suport them?
Probably more like after eight years of George W. Bush, most American voters would have cast their ballots for a one-armed paper hanger fresh out of prison over anything the Republicans had to offer.
Is just an orderly withdrawl.
I doubt Russ has a better plan.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
I'd like to think that
But all it takes is one Fallujah
And my inner-cynic thinks it's not coincidental that Obama's plan to keep them there until 2012 coincides with a reelection.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Coincidence? It's ALL about 2012.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
that they would pay for themselves, and that we would be greeted as liberators.
8 years, a few hundred thousand innocent lives, thousands of US soldiers, and a trillion dollars later... Excuse me if I don't take anything the government says about the war at any sort of face value. Why is it that things which were completely unacceptable under Bush, all of the sudden are justified when Mr. Obama does it?
Sending more troops to reduce them?
Spending more time to finish quicker?
Staying longer to exit earlier?
What is next? Up is Down, War is Peace? Jeez...
Why doesn't someone with Russ Feingold's experience & expertise, vast insight and knowledge, run for President? - he could get this country back into the real world...enough of the inexperienced and incapable ego maniacs like George W. Bush and Barack Obama.....! Enough already...enough!!!
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... we're at the mercy of corporations and the media. Our vote is far less meaningful when the narrative is micromanaged and distilled down to choices like Obama/Biden vs. Geezer/Dingbat.
Third party? Hah. Need to be a third party with millions to play the media game. And we're probably going to lose the battle for net neutrality, which means even if you forced everyone to campaign via the internet, the availability of 'the message' would be carefully controlled.
to sit around in the Oval Office twiddling your thumbs is $500 Million.
Probably be One Billion next election instead of half a billion for each finalist in the Elephant and Donkey division.
I think the British taught us what to do with a lucrative drug trade. They did it to China in the 1800's creating a number
of wars there and profits which were "off the books" and gave them
excuse to occupy the country. It created such anger in the Chinese
towards the "Western Deveils". Now heroine is so cheap, it's
use has skyrocketed. I was speaking with a customer in our store
last week, she was looking for a gift for her best friend who just
lost her son in Afghanistan. I mentioned the drug trade and she
said that her friends son, in one of his last communication with his mother, said that the drug trade was what this war was all about. It's time the truth about this poppy production hits the fan.
I thought heroines were supposed to be virtuous.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
When the drug was made available in the States, newspaper articles hailed it as "Hero Heroin" because it was going to release people from the "scourge" of opium.
And heroin was supposed to cure the morphine addicts.
Bela Lugosi was addicted to the methadone to get him off the morphine the doctors put him on to dull the pain after he was shot in the legs, a number of time during WWII,in the Austro-Hungarian Empire's ski-patrol in the Carpathian Muntains.
The bullet(s)remained in his legs for the rest of his life, inoperable, necessitating his having to turn down the role of the Frankenstein monster, because he could not stand to wear a 40-60 pound suit.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
did the British occupy China? Mainland China that is.
And now heroin is so cheap that it's use has skyrocketed? It's been cheap for a long long while. And has been sold in this country legally do a search for bayer heroin, yep bayer was into the heroin market as long as they have been aspirin.
It has been criminalized by the folks who tell you what is good for you, rather than let you decide for yourself. Along with marijuana, cocaine, antibiotics, amphetamines, depressants etc.
Looking at the second and third quarters of this year, and analyzing the sources of profits in the economy (if you took government out of the picture) everything added up to a net loss. That’s the first time since the 1930s.
When the Government stopped the naive faith in "The Market" and did a decent job of regulating the private sphere while taking over those things which needed to be done on a national, accountable basis, the entire economy perked up. It was a major component of ending the American Depression.
Starting with the Reagan Administration, that trend has been reversing. The slide took a while, but was pretty much inevitable by the second G. W. Bush term. Whether it can be turned around or not depends on how much of "The Market" control of government can be reversed.
Maybe he should put forward McCain - Feingold II. The Lobbyists Strike Back.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
The military industrial complex , international corporations and Wall Street own our government , a few good guys like Feingold , Sanders , Kucinich are powerless against the majority who are absolutely corrupt , up for sale whores . I don't know what to make of Obama anymore .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
That anything stupid is difficult to stop?
Because in 'Murica...stupid wins the day.
Thinking...it's haaaaard.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
... anything simple and decent is impossible to start.
See health insurance reform for an example.
...... there is a difference between an escalation (which Bush II did and called it a surge) and a surge (which keeps getting called an escalation)?
Bush added 10% to combat troop strength, contracted out another 15% in support strength, and left them there. That's an escalation. Obama is sending an increase in personnel and support for a set of specific missions, with a planned drawback date. By every definition I ran into at logistics and planning classes, that's a surge.
The key elements to Afghanistan are in India and Pakistan, and troop movements will not address them. On the other hand, our ambassador's throwaway comment of "if you must send troops, do it so they can cover the withdrawal" may be more truth than we know.
dead civilians and soldiers...
They will all get together and in a massive drum circle in heave and will sing "well, thank goodness that we died in a surge and not in an escalation like those idiots over there, hahahahaha."
Seriously, I see this played out like I do every week. It's Russy's turn to stand up for our rights. Then in the end, the bill get's passed.
But god damnit! Russ was there for us and we can at least be happy that someone is listening, even though not a mother effing things gets done.
We are so effed as a country when we are just happy we get lips service instead of action.
You are my hero Russ, way to make waves.
Here's your check putz
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