Father Jonathan Morris Doubles Down on Willingness to Die in Fight over Contraception Mandate
And the war on women's reproductive rights continues over at Fox. As our friends at News Hounds noted-- apparently undeterred by being made a mockery of by Jon Stewart-- Fox News brought back Father Jonathan Morris to double down on his suggestion that clergy should be “ready to die” to fight President Obama’s mandate that health insurers cover birth control.
Despite being ridiculed by Jon Stewart for making the jaw-dropping suggestion that clergy should be “ready to die” to fight President Obama’s mandate that health insurers cover birth control, Father Jonathan Morris doubled down on his “pledge” last night on Hannity. “Of course I’m willing to die, of course I’m willing to go to jail, of course I’m willing to pay a fine. That is the most normal, non-radical thing I can think of,” Morris said fervently. I don’t know how the other guest, a rabbi in support of the mandate, didn’t burst out laughing at such ridiculous theatrics. A priest threatening to die in the name of pro-life opposition to contraception coverage in health insurance? Come on! In reality, the mandate wouldn’t even affect Morris’ own church. [...]
But Morris wasn’t done with his over-the-top rhetoric. He compared President Obama’s accommodation - having health insurers pay for the coverage - to murder. “We recognize it goes against my conscience to kill. The president is saying, 'You know what? Don’t worry about it. You don’t have to kill that person any more. We’re going to just make sure you pay somebody else to do the bidding for you, to kill that person for you.' That’s an analogy but that’s exactly what it is.”
Full transcript below the fold.
CHENEY: The White House was hoping to silence critics over its controversial contraception mandate by offering a weak so-called accommodation. But the United States conference of Catholic bishops is vowing to fight on.
Last week on this program, one of my next guests told Sean just how far he is willing to go for this cause. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FATHER JONATHAN MORRIS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: People have died for those things that are absolutely essential to their faith. It's not a question, are you willing to go to jail? Is if I'm asked to do something goes against my conscience, I better be willing to die for that. If I'm not willing to die for that, what am I standing up for?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHENEY: Joining me now with reaction are FOX News contributor Father Jonathan Morris and the president of the Union for Reform Judaism Rabbi Eric Yoffie. Thank you both very much for being here.
Father Morris, you know, given what you said last week and given that this is very clearly a question of church doctrine, obviously the accommodation is not acceptable from your perspective, so where do we go from here?
MORRIS: Well, you know, first of all, let me say that, what I'm saying is not radical. What I'm saying is not controversial. What I'm saying is not something out of the ordinary in terms of the big picture of history. If the federal government or any government is to tell somebody you are required to violate your conscience on an essential element of your faith, the question is not, OK, I'm willing, well, pay a fine, but I'm not willing to go to jail. I'm willing to go to jail but I'm not willing to die. No, just the opposite. The conscience is invaluable and if the federal government is asking any group or individual to violate their conscience, I'm sure the rabbi here will we agree with me, whether we agree on this issue or not, the conscience is invaluable, of course I'm willing to die, of course, I'm willing to go to jail. Of course I'm willing to pay a fine in order to not go against something that is essential to my faith. That is the most normal, non-radical thing that I can think of.
CHENEY: And it means that government position that just seek simply to minimize the interference of religion would be unacceptable. Rabbi Yoffie, you have talked about this in terms of this new accommodation that the administration announced most recently saying that it minimizes government's interference in religious practice. But how can that be sufficient?
RABBI EIRC YOFFIE, UNION FOR REFORM JUDAISM: Well, first of all, I agreed with the policy to begin with. So, I was starting from a very different points.
CHENEY: So, you are very radical.
(LAUGHTER)
YOFFIE: Sure. Radical at all.
MORRIS: Well said. Well said.
YOFFIE: And what the President was trying to do in this case was to minimize direct involvement or even indirect involvement of religious groups. I think it was appropriate for him to make that accommodation, but nonetheless I agree with the policy and I stand behind it.
CHENEY: But how rabbi is it possible for us to be in a situation where the government of the United States can mandate the Catholic Church or any religious organization to take action that is fundamentally in violation of basic church doctrine. How is that not only is it a violation of our constitution and the first amendment but, you know, a very fundamental moral violation of the church doctrine?
YOFFIE: Well, I don't agree it's a violation of the constitution. We live in the most diverse religious country in the world. The notion that everybody is entitled to do what their conscience tells them to do would create a situation that would make impossible for us to have government at all. Now, in this particular situation, there is a first amendment violation when very specific conditions exist. I mean, if you have a law that has general ability and that's neutral, that it applies to everybody and doesn't target any particular religious group, then there is no first amendment violation. I want to suggest to you that those conditions exist here. And while this violates the father's conscience, they don't violate my conscience and the conscience of many Americans I would suggest, most Americans.
CHENEY: Father, I would imagine that your interpretation.
MORRIS: Oh, my gosh. Absolutely different. If we suggest that the government is the one who decides who can violate their conscience, my goodness, what have we come to? It comes down to this. Do we believe in the individual's ability to decide what they believe in? And whether or not the government is going to step in and say, you are not allowed to believe in that. We have a long tradition and that's the very purpose of the first amendment, a long tradition, the government saying, you know what? We are not able to judge what you decide is right or wrong, but we're going to respect it. That is the very essential part of our government. And, you know, this suggestion in accommodation list?
CHENEY: Right.
MORRIS: You know, it's like this. We recognize that it goes against my conscience to kill someone. The President is saying, you know what, don't worry about it. You don't have to kill that person anymore. We're going to just make sure you pay somebody else to do the beating for you, to kill that person for you. That is an analogy. And that's exactly what is it.
CHENEY: And wouldn't it be the same Rabbi if the government came to you and said, all right, look, you know, your synagogue must take this action which fundamentally violates the tenets of Judaism. And if doesn't, your faith ruin these fines. How is what they're doing in -- different?
YOFFIE: We have people who as a sincere matter of religious conviction say, they do not want to pay taxes for any military action abroad. They believe it. It's based on their view of scripture. Do we permit those people to do that? And the answer is, we do not.
CHENEY: Yes, but that's not the question. The question is, if the government said to you, your synagogue must take these actions which fundamentally violates your faith, the tenants of your faith, or faith ruin these fees, ruin this fines, wouldn't that violate.
YOFFIE: Would I personally, therefore, perhaps take the stand of Father Morris. And the answer is yes, as a manner of public policy, does a church or synagogue or a mosque have a right to do whatever it wishes to do.
CHENEY: Yes. But they have an exemption. They have an exemption from this particular element of the law.
YOFFIE: But we're not talking about a church.
(CROSSTALK)
YOFFIE: A church does have an exemption. A religious institution that hires people from the general population outside of that church.
CHENEY: That's right but the money must still come from the church.
YOFFIE: Much of the money does not come from the church.
CHENEY: I'm going to give the money the last word.
MORRIS: Rabbi, this is hopefully find a common ground.
YOFFIE: OK.
MORRIS: Remember the great story of the Maccabees, of the seven children and their mother who decided that they were going to go to death in order not to eat pork. Right? It was being mandated by the king against their religion. And the whole story in the Old Testament is precisely that I will not do it. In the end, you say, well, pork is not - it violated their conscience.
It violated their faith and they did not do it precisely because they said the federal government, the king has no right to tell me I have to do what is against my conscience.
CHENEY: I think we clearly haven't heard the end of this. But I thank you very so much both of you for being here this evening.
Have the courage of your faith.
Pour gasoline on yourself & light yourself ablaze in front of the White House.
Don't just run your mouth ..
If a Tunisian fruit vendor can light himself ablaze and die for a cause ..
If Tibetan monks and nuns can find the courage to do it ..
Then stop running your mouth and die for what you believe in ..
Otherwise Shut The Fuck Up cuz you are just grandstanding ..
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
that any of these pieces of sheet have any courage at all.
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common sense matters as much as truth
...look at what we have here:
A garden-variety, basement-dwelling virgin who suddenly feels empowered to lecture on the intricacies of womanhood because he is wearing an ecumenical clown costume.
The most demanding aspect of Father John Morris' day is over-seeing rectory maintenance. That, & resist the temptation to go down to the corner bodega & buy a copy of Penthouse.
And if you are going to claim I am some bitter, militant atheist who is out to smear all things God...I was raised a Southern Baptist.
Guess what my Southern Baptist church taught me? That all Catholics are going to Hell.
Fortunately, I eventually figured out I was being fed hate doctrine by Protestant versions of Father John Morris.
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in excess body fat & carrying a misspelled sign.
Well said!
I have to wonder about a lot of the Fauxbots that espouse some form of Protestant bullshit, yet they just slurp up the Santorum... and just love these guys, when their preacher's already convinced them the RC talking heads are part and parcel of the "Whore of Babylon"
But, it shouldn't be a surprise, as they're emotional infants distracted by the next shiny object... think I'm wrong? They get all their information from Fox, Redstate and all the parts of the echo chamber... QED.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
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Actions speak louder than words! Go for it asshole!
That's pretty easy to say that when there's zero chance of anything happening.
The man knows not what he speaks. He is looking for a promotion.
CarmanK
"Middle class societies don't emerge automatically as an economy matures, they have to be CREATED through political action." Paul Krugman.
to be ready to kill.
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common sense matters as much as truth
Precisely. No one offered to kill him. He has to make it necessary for others. Therefore what he really wants is an excuse to murder.
Murder. All so others can be forced to adhere to a faith he can't adhere to himself. Others who didn't volunteer to be Catholic. Yes, they must be killed rather than not measure up against a yardstick he himself has dedicated his life to, yet which he can't obey, either.
I've finally figured out why the catholic church is so adamant about this.
Since they originally implemented their ban on birth control, it has been soundly ignored by catholics.
The catholic church figures the only way they can get CATHOLICS to abide by the ban is to ban birth control for everyone!
The result? Even lower attendance at Church.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
...significantly higher rates of abortion (until they ban that as well), child abuse, child abandonment, infanticide, poverty, and "extremely low food security" AKA hunger -- among other things -- as a result of overpopulation.
That's one of the truly tragic (and rather frightening) paradoxes of human existence...as much as I hate to point this out, can you imagine what it would be like on this planet right now if World War I and World War II had never happened (meaning that most of the civilians and soldiers who died in those wars had an opportunity to reproduce)? Seriously...think about it.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Yeah right, like that would work. Even as a Catholic I didn't pay any attention to their edict on birth control. I always considered it my right when I and my husband wanted to have a chlld. Now that I'm an agnostic I definately would not listen to men in dresses telling me that I have to have child after child that I couldn't take care of or until I die in childbirth. These priests have no right to tell other women who are not Catholic that they can't have birth control. The Catholic Church should have their tax exempt status taken away since they have started to stick their noses in birth control and gay rights.
But children are the proper punishment for having sex. Without children, people might have sex for pleasure, and the beardy sky daddy hates it when people do things just for pleasure.
To put this in perspective, a lot of good Christians have been murdered over the centuries simply because of their faith.
This numbnuts is martyring himself because employers whose health insurance company used to charge a co-pay on birth control no longer can.
Do pedophile priests have the same persecution complex when they are fondling little boys?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
They get quite upset about what they call "petty gossip". That is an actual remark from the current pope on the paedophile priest situation.
the older forms of birth control:
1) Starvation - You can only feed so many mouths
2) Death in child birth - Your chance of dying increases with the number of pregnancies
3) Neglect - You can only take care of so many children. If the church had its way you would be force to have one child a year. Each woman would have to bear 20 to 30 children each.
If the church had its way the current population of the US would be in the billions, about 3 to 6 billion. In another century it would be 30 to 60 billion. This is why the church can't have its way. Because they would doom us to proverty and starvation.
“We recognize it goes against my conscience to kill. The president is saying, 'You know what? Don’t worry about it. You don’t have to kill that person any more. We’re going to just make sure you pay somebody else to do the bidding for you, to kill that person for you.' That’s an analogy but that’s exactly what it is.”
So is Father Morris also protesting the death penalty and the war effort with equal fervor? If he truly believes that tolerance of killing is against his conscience -- overlooking the fact that he's using a flawed analogy to begin with, since many forms of contraception don't actually kill anything (not even a zygote) -- then in all fairness, he ought to be opposed to war and to the death penalty as well as abortion since these also involve killing. However, especially as a "FOX News contributor", I very much doubt that he does...which says to me that Father Morris is (surprise, surprise!) a hypocrite.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
I was pondering how the military could have zero religious people....
and why the good father hadn't been willing to die over the attack of Iraq....
good, go for it. exactly "mountainman23." what else is left to say/repeat except for STFU!
This freak would die to stop contraception but would not lift a finger to stop his brethren from sodomizing children. This POS will not even say a mean word to his brother pedophiles. Rot in hell you scumbag.
If you need a little help like a weapon or bottle of pills or even a gentle shove off the ledge I'm here for you my Catholic brother.
is intended to be a factual statement
That he expresses willingness to die for such a frivolous cause shows a deep disrespect for those who have actually made the ultimate sacrifice and shows that life in the priesthood gives little worth living for.
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Ignorance is parent to religion.
Religion is parent to Hate.
Remember Matthew Shepard:
http://vimeo.com/fuksnickityClam/matthew
If the Catholic church, like the Jehovah’s Witlesses, had a religious objection to blood transfusion and was pressuring the government to exempt its hospitals from performing the procedure or its secular employees from having it covered, would Morris be willing to die to protect that privelege?
What he's really saying is I will die to make sure people have lots of babies so that my priest buddies and I have plenty of children to sexually molest and rape.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
Yes we should all listen to a virgin in his thirties that does not know jack shit about life.
That, in a nutshell, is the fundamental problem with an all-male celibate clergy.
Do the not have altar boys at his church?
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
Since it seems incredibly unlikely that anyone would wind up getting killed based on this law, the *clear* implication is that "Father" Morris is plotting a suicide bombing. Perhaps he should be preventatively detained and waterboarded for the safety of the country - after all, that's the solution he and his Faux Nooz colleagues would advocate for an Islamic leader who made the same sort of statement...
You know that if it had been a mullah that made that statement, they'd have handcuffed and waterboarded him right there on the air. It's like training a puppy, you know. Gotta rub their nose in the puddle before they forget what they did.
It's election year once again in the nation with one of the greatest wealth disparities in the world. And once again, the two corporate parties agree to fight over a social issue.
It's not surprising that the political establishment was so anxious to turn the discussion back to their old stand-by issues, after the Occupy movement managed to shift the discussion. What *is* surprising, at least to me, is how obliviously people just wander back into the corral.
Spot on.
I think that's why it's absolutely essential for the Occupy protests to restart in spring. They were able to knock the pre-approved "reduce the deficit" narrative off the teeveeola, it's essential we swing the narrative back to the real issues before the election cycle gets too absorbed by the phony shiny objects.
Help me OWS Kenobi, you're my only hope.
What would we be hearing about a Muslim cleric here in the US who said the same thing about some tenet regarding his own religion and beliefs? I'm guessing the word terrorist would be used.
This guy is nothing more than a religious fanatic.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
That's a pretty good point. We can all announce a story to our wingnut relatives, at the next gathering. "Hey, did you hear about the Muslim cleric that said he was willing to die to fight for all American women being forced to obey his religion's practices?"
After the firestorm of comments, correct yourself and say, "Oops. I meant Catholic cleric. Same thing, though, huh?"
a great point. If the father had the fortune of being born elsewhere....
we might have seen him learning to fly....
but not land...
..."giving the society's dominant group a pass."
Let's face it, people -- the indisputable fact is that if you're a wealthy, able-bodied, heterosexual Protestant native-born male American, you're going to get away with things that you wouldn't be allowed to get away with otherwise and that's all there is to it. That's the way it's always been...and unless or until the human race evolves finally starts to evolve as socially as fast as we evolve technologically (but don't hold yer breath waiting for it), that's the way it's always going to be.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
"The President is saying, you know what, don't worry about it. You don't have to kill that person anymore. We're going to just make sure you pay somebody else to do the beating for you, to kill that person for you. That is an analogy. And that's exactly what is it."
Boy we sure could have used this "analogy" in the runup to Bush's wars. Hey catholic church, you've come a long way, baby.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
..of course Fixed News is undeterred by any ridicule from Jon Stewart.
Nobody who watches Fixed even knows who Jon Stewart is.
Two, do you really think the typical 80 yr. old Fixed News junkie is going to understand Jon Stewart's sense of humor?
And as far as having these virgin nerds dressed in their stupid costumes acting like experts on women's contraceptives...do you clowns have any idea what gargantuan dipshits you appear when you talk about this stuff?
It's as absurd as Rick Santorum leading an OWS mic check.
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in excess body fat & carrying a misspelled sign.
those nerds are virgins? As far as I can tell they're having a lot more sex than the average male that age.
Who exactly does he think is going to kill him for the crime of having a special exemption that requires women to bypass their employers in order to get contraception coverage?
an Abortion doctor?
Just go ahead and off yourself, you little boy bothering shithead.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
No way he ever puts his life on the line for something like this but you can bet he's dog-whistling for others to take up the cause.
I agree with earlier posters - he either needs to put up or shut up.
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
I wouldn't put it passed Faux Noise to dress up some guy up to act like a priest.
This coming from an organization mostly populated by PEDOPHILES
This ignorant beliefs should really speed up the exodus from the Catholic Church by many, especially women.
Abide by his core convictions and do what others, with stronger convictions do, like Buddhist Monks or Tibetan Priests and self-immolate, preferably in front of the White House or in Vatican City so the Pope can watch, as they used to do in olden times when burning non-believers at the stake.
More Republican assholeyness
House Democrats Walk Out Of One-Sided Hearing On Contraception, Calling It An 'Autocratic Regime'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/contraception-hearing-house-democrats-walk-out_n_1281730.html?1329409256
This country is headed for a major fall. I hope I live long enough to see it. When the people finally do get pissed off enough, it's assholes like this that will find themselves hanging off telephone poles.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Whoa, Liz Cheney is a Fox News (substitute) host now??? Gross!
They needed another male to offset all the blonde trollops.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Willing to die for his pro-life stance without noting the irony. Hard to see how anyone could be more ignorant.
"No one ever said these people were logically consistent."
- watchdog -
Right. He's going to rid the world of one more idiot? Well, I'm not going to stop him.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
and without any intention to procreate.
Here's a bucket of gas and a zippo lighter, your move.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
...then what's their explanation for the fact that God didn't simply give human beings an estrus cycle like other mammals? For that matter, what's their explanation for the fact that women have an anatomical feature which at least as far as anyone can tell serves no purpose apart from providing physical pleasure -- or the fact that even without the use of contraception, as many as 33% of all fertilized zygotes fail to implant so that they can become embryos?
Yeah, I know...try to use that in an argument with someone like Father Morris and he'll probably say tat you simply don't understand, accuse you of trying to muddy the water, or attempt to evade the issue by resorting to some pseudo-pious homily such as "God works in ways which defy our understanding". However, that doesn't change the fact that there is very little (if any) logic to their argument...and I tend to side with one of the Catholic church's most famous targets, Galileo Galilei, who said that he could not understand why God would give human beings the potential for reason and then forbid them from using it
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
In order to test one's faith. The default argument.
Funny how they never consider the possibility that God sent them progressives like Galileo Galilei in order to open their eyes...much in the same way that God might have given Randall Terry his children (one of whom became an unwed mother, one of whom came out of the closet as a gay man) in an attempt to see how well Mr. Terry understands what the principles of his faith really mean. (Not so well, apparently, since Terry disowned the children.)
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
A far-right co-worker was ranting once about people going against God's will - in this particular instance, the evils of having bariatric surgery 'because you're too lazy to exercise and too vain to live with the results.' My response was that if bariatric surgery was evil, then why did God give someone the idea for the lap-band?
It must be so damned convenient that God is responsible for anything that exists that you like, but Satan's behind anything that you don't like.
This ignorant, cowardly and collared asshole seems to envision himself after the model of true heroes...
Guys like St. Maximilian Kolbe, who gave his life in the place of a fellow concentration camp prisoner...
Or like that Polish actor guy who became a priest, and spent the war years as a member of the Polish Resistance... that guy Fr. Karol Wojtyla who became more famous as John Paul II...
He's a very small man with a shriveled little soul and an alligator mouth that, if it came to it, would shut up long enough to get his hummingbird ass running away...
I don't know what I'd do if faced with it... few people do... I'd like to think I'd suck it up and take it for the right reasons, but then again, I'm not on national television trying to show myself as some form of a paragon of virtue... I know myself better than that...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
What is the difference between him and a Iraqi suicide bomber? NOTHING!!!
The collar and the employers... aside from that? Got nothin'.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
granted both talk a big game, but only one of them walks the walk. (Hint: it ain't the chickenshit with the pedophile uniform).
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Liz Cheney is living proof that contraception is important.
It's not all or nothing.
The irony is the only people to have died in the battle over contraception have been the abortion providers or their associates. Their murderers were individuals who called themselves "pro-life".
So this "man of the cloth" thinks Jesus is against insurance companies providing coverage for contraception to church employees?? Seriously?
If he is truly a lover of Jesus, why is not also upset over his own tax dollars (income, sales, etc) being spent on wars, killing others for political reasons, etc. I don't hear him claim he is willing to die to oppose that.
This is what happens when Republican conservatives who claim also to be a so-called followers of Jesus try to hide behind religion to disguise their disdain for letting ordinary working folk make these kind of decisions for themselves.
But the church affiliated institutions who take public funds have a right to impose their conscience on whomsoever works for them or needs their services..
"In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today"
"We have used [the EEOC ruling] many times in negotiating with various employers," says Judy Waxman, the vice president for health and reproductive rights at the National Women's Law Center. "It has been in active use all this time. [President Obama's] policy is only new in the sense that it covers employers with less than 15 employees and with no copay for the individual. The basic rule has been in place since 2000."
"DePaul University, the largest Roman Catholic university in America, added birth control coverage to its plans after receiving an EEOC complaint several years ago."
http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/contr...
Churches should pay taxes, and should only be churches. A religious hospital, frankly what a nightmare ... this guy at first blush starts to sound like the mullahs who incite jihad.
Being willing to die over something as mundane as eating pork is idiotic, I have little pity for those that would throw their life away over faith.
Faith is garbage. Believing in something for which there is no evidence to the death, well good riddance to bad garbage ...
I tire of people's foolishness, the damage done by all the myths bandied about is incalculable.
The clergy are a bunch of useless no-nothings, they are somebody's useful idiots and they spawn more in batches. Stultification of children is a high crime. Indoctrination of children is obscene and should not be anyone's right.
Seize all church property and convert it to secular charities, let those who would die for their faith die, after all they'd go to heaven wouldn't they, and let the rest roam as paupers and beggars I can think of no better fate for the know nothing clergy and that fat slag bill donawho?
dying over a condom, ok act the fool
what I'm saying is how about a secular coup?! ... for the republic!
If the good father would die to protect the moral authority of his church, would he at least get a little sick to protect the alter boys?
I'd gladly see him die in his crusade against modernity too!
So why doesn't he set himself on fire in protest?
Another turf war over power, the contraceptive provision does not apply to churches, temples, mosques or synagogues. Female Catholics hospital employees' should be allowed the same benefits as other hospitals. The clergy's over reach and politicization of this issue is grandstanding and intolerant. Women of faith want birth control and women who vote want religion out of politics. The Republikan distraction from the economy is going to cost them at the polls. BTW. Where was the Catholic church on the Patriot Act, torture, Gitmo and a war based on lies? Pay ye taxes or shut ye pie-hole.
That's funny, I've never heard this man get a second of airplay concerning his opposition to capital punishment or unjust war as far as forcing people to pay for killing. I suppose he's spent most of his time trying to figure out how to kill a baby with a condom.
This pious prick wants to be a martyr, I will happily bring the hammer and nails if he will buy the timber, give him what he really wants. To embrace dogma to the extent that you believe a zygote is more important than a living human female person suggests crucifixion may actually be what the father deserves. But as it is what he craves, we shouldn't give it to him.
I fail to see the difference between this priest and a Muslim terrorist. He wants to impose of 51% of the American people laws that deprive them of decisions with regard to their bodies, decisions guaranteed by our Constitution, which is anathema to these nutjob nitcompoops pulling bricks out of the wall of separation.
When Brit novelist Graham Greene went to Mexico in the 30s, he visited the last Mexican states to prohibit the saying of Mass, holdovers from an earlier regime that made Catholicism illegal nationwide. What Greene doesn't tell us about his protagonist priest in The Power and the Glory is that Spanish and Mexican priests got caught with their hands in the collection plates and were bleeding the peasant people dry with stunts like indulgences to buy relatives out of Purgatory, and all manner of swindling. So Greene's priest was a fraud.
I think it is time to make our non-profit non-political laws broader: force the Church to pay taxes for advocating ridiculous positions such as these. If they do not comply, they should be exiled.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
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