March 26, 2011 09:00 AM
Ellen Page and Our Vanishing Bees
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Bill Maher talked to Canadian actress Ellen Page on Real Time about her work on the vanishing of the bees and their importance to our very survival and our ability to feed ourselves. Maher quoted Einstein during the segment who said this:
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.
If you would like to find out more about Page's work her web site is here -- Vanishing of the Bees.
Coulda had a bee expert on, but what the hell, let's get a celebrity.
Tom, STFU
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
We'll wait til the last one's dead to answer that question.
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
as always.
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
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years later? http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/01/science/sci...
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
resistance to pesticides, inevitable given evolution, and not that DDT is somehow related to colony collapse. DDT is banned, in any event, in most of the jurisdictions where CC is reported.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Scoff if you want to, but I think of them as canaries in coal mines. The name of the pesticide is Clothianidin. It has nothing to do with DDT. So much for someone's knowledge of facts. Talk about squirrels.
as scoff. I think humanity plays a role in this.
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
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daddio posted and to which my reply was directed. It's about DDT resistance in bees.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Bummer. I know many others with the same condition. You're up now. Don't disappoint me.
Make no mistake, I don't deny anything she says. I've known about colony collapse disorder for a while, and it is important.
But if Maher wants to talk about it, he should get an expert on. This is like having Tom Hanks talk about the moon. All fine and good, but I'd prefer a NASA scientist.
She spoke mostly of pesticides as the cause of colony collapse although there is precious little evidence to support it. The principal cause is suspected of being disease. It doesn't affect all types of bees, though bee toxic pesticides do affect all types of bees and colony collapse isn't found in all geographical areas where the same pesticides are used. It hasn't reached jurisdictions where the use of pesticides is poorly regulated or supervised. Hmm. I think I'll wait for a scientifically based verdict. Nice kid Ellen. But a parrot could have made the same case.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
because it is a woman I see the bigger dick theory at work. I suppose this is me.
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Hasa Diga Eebowai
@5:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY
and @ 7:25http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
Hilarious clip. I've never seen it before.
far left loon >.<
Take a bow.You deserve it.
is that it sure beats having a little dick.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Damn, surly night tonight, huh?
I don't think Peter means to shoot the messenger here. It's laudable work just pointing out that bees are dying off the way they are, while also pointing out the bee's pivotal role in agriculture.
Where Page might have it wrong is in pointing to a specific speculated cause for the die-off that hasn't been nearly proved. I hope that if this specific bit of speculation is disproved, Ms. Page doesn't remain married to it in the same way that Jenny McCarthy is married to the disproved theory that autism is caused by thiomersal.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/arti...
http://www.fastcompany.com/1710746/bayer-our-...
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2008/06/16/af...
I could go on, but I won't.
Apparently, there are fewer corporate true believe5rs in Europe. They actually honor facts, and not bribes.
that those measures don't seem to have any affect on CC although they were quite popular.And they're going to have a hell of a time in court explaining why CC occurs in areas where neither pesticide is used or why CC predates the use of any pesticides at all. It's wonderfully easy to confuse correlation with causation but, unfortunately, it doesn't solve whatever problem you are trying to solve.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
back them up? So, you are now familiar with standards of proof? You're a lawyer, too? I am really impressed.
This will come as news to the Europeans.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
if you read your own links and understood them you would get that the improper use of this pesticide caused the death of specific colonies of bees. No one is claiming it is the cause of CC. And CC has not stopped in those areas where this particular pesticide has been banned.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
that pesticides are harmful to biological life forms just read the warning label on the side of the container-Geez..
Put a little in your coffee everyday and find out for yourself.
People who argue against this fact-are just dumb.
Just because your knee jerk reaction disagrees with what is being said does not make you right. Do you have stock in Bayer?
to actually check the facts isn't it? Look savannah43 a squirrel!
Hasa Diga Eebowai
as an expert on everything. Unlike some. Do you have stock in Bayer?
to think you need and yet these are insufficient to tell me why I am wrong. Give it a try. I'm willing to listen and be persuaded. Tell me why, while you are at it, every other post on this site that relates to the EPA either condemns them as lying tools of corporate greed or laments the Republicans efforts to eviscerate them. I'm keen to know the answer to that one.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Actually, I did not know that doing so is my obligation at all ever.
But then I did not begin with the comments challenging personal integrity and questioning motives. I just answered in kind.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Fifth grader.
x2
And as Peter pointed out, those links you gave show a correlation, not causality. Those studies- with much further study- might prove to be right. I don't think anyone here (well, maybe
Ron PaulMilquetoastGeronimo down there might, but, well, consider the source...) could argue the possibility, but you have yet to prove with certainty that those studies are right.Take a gander at this. That's you, willing to stand firmly on the belief that, though your perspective is limited, you know exactly what is what. I won't speak for Peter here, but I'm only willing to go as far as, "Well, it feels like a wall from here, but I'm not so sure that it is a wall."
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
You may have assumed that, but you don't actually know that. You are doing to me what you have accused me of doing to Peter. Smooth.
From what you've been writing here. You're sticking with the word of the studies you've read even when it's been pointed out that they address one type of use of the pesticide- topically, on the plant after it has emerged from the ground- not the way that the same pesticide is applied- to the seed- in these North American climates.
It's sort of like you're saying that you've read that swallowing nail polish remover can regularly cause death in humans, so we shouldn't use nail polish remover topically. And I'm saying in reply, prove to me that using nail polish remover topically can regularly cause death in humans.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
cancer studies from the 70's. That was a bad example. I am not here to educate Peter OR you or anyone else. I could give you many more cites from other countries. But as Bayer is a German-based company, I thought those were good starting points. You do not have to agree with me, but I don't have to agree with you, either. And, I don't agree with you.
One point for my side.
From your first link:
That's a big "if". Now you've got to go on to prove that Clothanidin was present in the pollen and nectar in quantities to cause colony collapse. Please show me the study that proves that.
From links two and three:
Now go the next step and refute that with evidence that proves that clothianidin is dangerous to bees now matter how it's used. Otherwise you're blaming the person who makes the morphine rather than the health care professional who misapplies it.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Personally, I think your full of shit. Satisfied?
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
There's that.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
why that is so. He started it, and I believe I finished it.
I do fuck up when I drink. I tried to correct my asshole comment, yet, to no avail. I own my behavior.
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
something that was both interesting and topic related? It actually contains a ray of hope. Whatever the cause of CC, and it is likely to have a lot of factors that cause it, bees are likely to evolve beyond it. That's not a bad thing. Whether it is an increased susceptibility to disease caused by a specific pesticide as some have speculated, bees as a species will survive it.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
What if they don't (to use logic from other threads)?
far left loon >.<
I don't believe even in my alcohol stupor I need to do that much. What I said then doesn't change my opinion on the matter. I still feel the Peter G is anti woman.
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
I've got no problem with you, personally...I do think, however, that too many commenters here pile on Peter G not because he's wrong, but because they never quite think through what it is that he writes, they just think he's diametrically opposed to them when, in fact, he isn't. In this case, Peter's simply pointing out that there are no double-blind tests proving that there's a causal relationship between the pesticide and the CC.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I like most things I read on here and very rarely post. My feelings are that the comment Peter G said were anti woman.
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson
How? There's absolutely nothing referring to gender in that comment other than the requisite third-person pronouns. Is it that he calls her a "nice kid"? I mean, she's roughly my own son's age. She's...a kid.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
It's still a free-ish country, right?
My significant other will be both surprised and bitterly disappointed to learn it I fear. That being said Andy is right about the positions I take with regard to science and the rigorous application of science to the problems we face. Fear mongering serves no purpose whatsoever whether it comes from the left or the right. Jumping to conclusions solves no problems and misidentifying them compounds the error if you do that and stop searching for the real problem.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
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far left loon >.<
"She's probably wrong as to the cause of colony collapse based on those facts you so dislike." He was speaking about Ellen Page. As she's not here to defend herself, and I liked what she said on Maher last night, I stuck up for her.
I see no possible cause for confusion there. Still, if it feels better to assume misogyny is the cause for my criticism I can't help you there.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
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You have no respect for the opinions of others. You do not know what causes CCD, and your specious remark about bees evolving is ridiculous as well as stupid. Perhaps some day, humans will ALL evolve into something that doesn't think they are the be all and end all of the universe.
Like we're calling each other, asking for back-up? "Peter, dude, I can't take on savannah by myself. I'm a pea-brain! This is our most desperate hour. Help me,
Obi-Wan KenobiPeter G; you're my only hope."Really? Because we question your apparent lack of use of the scientific method?
savannah, I like you, really I do. I reserve my contempt for Milquetoast. I just think you're jumping the gun on this.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
So there!
:D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
bad test were done http://www.grist.org/i/assets/bees_Guelph.pdf
http://www.fastcompany.com/1708896/wiki-bee-l...
Susie posted this nonsense awhile back. When I asked how the treatment of seed by a non-persistent pesticide was somehow related to colony collapse the silence was deafening. Are the bees putting on their little miner hats and digging up the seed before the plants germinate? The "leaked" EPA document, available to anyone who asked for it, gave the proper justification for not using this pesticide topically on germinated plants because of its demonstrated toxicity to bees. Its use was restricted to seed treatment for that reason. It is not used at all in Europe where CC has been well documented.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Don't disappoint me. I thought you knew everything.
Or single pesticides used in two different manners interact with insects in the same way?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
that without pesticides, fungicides and fertilizers a good part of the world would be starving right now. Do you ever check a fact before you post?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
And, right back at you. Do you ever have to check facts with your superior knowledge of everything? You're going on about DDT as if that has anything to do with this discussion.
And a blanket ban on chemicals will cure that will it?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
I said nothing about banning all chemicals. So, what the hell are you going on about?
Not far up-thread you stated:
And not because Peter was trying to pick some nit and say it wasn't a pesticide, because he wrote:
So, yeah, it looks as if you're making a blanket statement that pesticides are bad.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Why do you have to defend Peter? Do you think he can't do it himself?
It's sort of why English is a required subject in our schools: So that you can communicate thoughts clearly. Vagaries are on the writer.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
you win.
Does that clear that up, Andy?
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CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
... or so say the "experts" in this blog.
Anonymity, apparently, is a requirement for validated knowledge. Oh, the irony...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
You need to read more carefully.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
... since this is a written, not spoken, forum.
Duh.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
She's probably wrong as to the cause of colony collapse based on those facts you so dislike. Colony collapse is a matter of some concern so perhaps you could look into the latest research on the subject. Btw how's that new hundred mile long Macondo well oil slick doing? Somehow it magically turned into an algae bloom. Over night, just like that, when they went out and actually looked at it.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
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but try looking into the facts. It makes for more interesting debates. For people who claim to have such respect for science and evidence many lefties seem to prefer jumping to conclusions.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Amateur.
from a professional?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
... go together like peas and carrots.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I'd like to add this fact to the mix. About 90% of our food comes from crops that are self-pollinated or wind-pollinated. That covers most major grains (wheat, etc.) and fodder for animals, among other things. The remaining about-10% which are bee-pollinated are primarily orchard crops, such as apples, cherries, and peaches. Losing those would be a major wrench, but not a species-killing one.
This is a serious issue, and serious issues should not be fear-mongered.
I like my scurvy with extra scurvy.
Yeah! Fuck cherries. Miserable so and sos.
far left loon >.<
http://www.vanishingbees.com/
Although I remember when they tried to scare us with:
- Acid Rain and the
- Ozone Layer Hole
etc.
So I'm not sure what to believe anymore regarding this stuff.
I wish he'd discuss other conspiracy theories too.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
To the best of my knowledge the ozone hole is collapsing only because we have outlawed the compounds that were creating it - compounds in refrigerators and air conditioners primarily. They have been replaced with other compounds that don't destroy the ozone. The reversal of the ozone hole coincides with the new rules.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
That would make sense. I just remember it being a major issue there for awhile. Hyped a lot.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Do not confuse a problem being out of sight/out of mind with "it no longer being an issue."
Ozone hole from 1979 to 2010
Basically, the hole has stopped increasing. But it has not decreased significantly, at least it is nowhere near its original levels. The Ozone is fundamental for our survival. I don't think you really understood the magnitude of the problem that a depleted atmospheric layer of O3 would present for the survival of a lot of life on earth (esp. humans), if you think it was just "hype."
Similarly, acid rain is also still a big problem: effects of acid rain
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
This is fear propaganda I think. Supposedly there's no proof Einstein ever said that.
They fear porn us all the time. Swine Flu to get their shots sold. Ozone Layer. Acid Rain. Man Made Global Warming etc. I think this might be more fear porn/propaganda.
That being said I hate Monsanto and these pesticides and think industrial farming is the worst. And we need to clean up our Environment and protect it and respect it.
Peace.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
It is hard to know what is real and what is fabricated - keeps it interesting. A good indicator is to follow the money. If an industry is going to profit from a fearful story then the chances are greater that it's mongering. Best to do the science and find out though, regardless.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I used to think that was what journalism was... http://www.panna.org/sites/default/files/Memo... Take it away sockpuppets... quote those product hand-outs? Obfuscate, prevaricate, dissemble my friends... Evade, quibble, deny! Equivocate lines of copy form a brochure here, utter bullshit from K Street wannabe drivel there, toss in some subterfuge... and don't forget the fucking specious non- sequitors. Some of you folks need the practice, and wishy-washy liberal, geriatric hippies are sure the audience of your dreams. Any fool can delude the unwary with base falsehood, while the champion liar adheres pretty damn scrupulously to incontrovertible facts. Corporations bought TV networks to sell time, newspapers and websites to sell space; wild exaggeration and subterfuge is value added. Their bored, petulant and vacuous petite-bourgeois children rebelled, and poor guys feigned interest in order to hit the rich pussy? What are you, anti-business Communists? Troll away, little grasshoppers...
The US EPA has approved a pesticide - banned for use in parts of Europe and elsewhere - that has a direct effect on bee populations. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/tag/clothia...
follow the money? its certainly likely the maker of clothianidin leant on the EPA to allow it in the US without any testing or checks. in any case with that direct effect on bee populations i have great concern about the ability to keep pollination happening. Humans can and do pollinate but it is nowhere near the amount possible by bees and other natural pollinators - so its better to prevent decline of those pollinators than have to come up with a way to replace them. in that sense i dont have a problem with 'fear porn' in the sense that it raises peoples awareness there is a serious problem brewing here, if left unchecked.
http://www.manataka.org/page1397.html
Those pesticides are poisons I'm sure. Lightning Bugs are also going extinct I think from them spraying for mosquitoes etc.
I don't trust those mega chemical companies like Monsanto one bit.
But has it been verified that Einstein quote is an actual quote of Einstein? That should be verified it that is included in a story.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
...honeybees aren't the only organisms on the planet which serve as pollinators. They're the primary ones, yes, and there's no question that colony collapse disorder is a extremely serious issue -- but the fact remains that pollination is not the exclusive domain of honeybees. Any organism which depends on nectar and/or pollen as a food source -- such as butterflies and moths, several species of birds, and even certain bat species -- is a pollinator because it's very difficult for an organism to get at the nectar without picking up and transferring pollen. Granted, honeybees are the only organisms which produce honey and they're much more convenient as (somewhat) domesticated pollinators because it's their nature as social insects to form and maintain stable colonies...but at the same time, some other similar species such as bumblebees and hornets are similarly colonial and also serve as pollinators. Bumblebees and hornets would probably be more difficult to work with since they can be more aggressive than honeybees and do not necessarily die when they sting...but to the best of my knowledge, they are not suffering from colony collapse disorder (or at least not nearly as much). Even though I'm inclined to look askance at some of the tinkering that takes place within the field of genetics, it occurs to me that it could be beneficial or even necessary in this case...either in terms of trying to produce a variety of honeybee which is resistant to colony collapse disorder or a variety of similar colonial insect that is less aggressive. It would be hard for human beings to say goodbye to honey, even if only because some of the earliest written records of human history contain references to our consumption of it -- but if we have to give it up in order to have a (more or less) tame pollinator, so be it.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Bumble Bees
Hornets
BTW
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
C&L should make note of that in a footnote to this story if that is the case or it can't be verified I think.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
for stuff like that.
Note, the quote from Einstein is indeed bogus. But so are the claims from people who are implying that pesticides are not an important factor in the depletion of bee colonies. And that just because bees are not the only pollinator agent, that somehow the significant reduction in bee colonies is less problematic.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
My dad had a hornets nest in a bird nest last summer. Luckely they are not like wasps. Wasps freak me the hell out. Been stung by those bloody buggers to many time.
Was a nice nest btw. The inside of the bird nest got to small so they extended it on the outside.
Big feckers BTW :)
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
they are like Tibetan monks-they are gentle when left alone-but will defend themselvess fiercely.
Hornets are like Republicans-vicious plunderers-and war mongers.
Progressives are like bees and ants-they work together for the good of the colony.
When hornets attack a hive of bees, the bees use their numbers to kill the hornets-sacrificing themselves for each other.
Bees and ants have honor and a higher purpose. Hornets just destroy and kill everything around them.
C'mon everyone. Be nice. There's no fucking way humankind could be involved in degradation of the planet. I mean, why would we shit where we eat (so to speak)?
PS don't look in the oceans.
far left loon >.<
it's a reflection of what humanity is doing to each other. One race/species trying to exterminate the other.
I like it.
Perhaps it's mass suicide because we are such ingrates on this lovely, one-of-a-kind orb: our only home. Is there anything we're not destroying (largely for quick and bigger profits)?
far left loon >.<
is going to bite us in the ass eventually. If it ain't broke don't fix it-but noooo, we have re-create what is already perfect just to get bigger-better and more.
Have you seen those monstrous bulls that have like 5 pot roasts on each hip? Ughh.
When we become God we create monsters.
sunflowers & butterfly bushes
Do something to attract the little buggers anyway...
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
Argh I HATE it when Bill gets on his grand Soapbox of Ignorance.
The major food crops: rice, wheat and corn, are all wind pollinated..until the wind goes away, we're not going to die.
Actual real scientists working on this problem (I know, no one can trust those damned big-brained een-teel-lectuls and their scary 'facts' and 'research') are zeroing on the major cause of CCD which appears to be the outcome of a synergism between two different bee pathogens, a virus, and a fungus.
While exposure to pesticides may help produce susceptibility by stressing the colonies; the main stressor is the way we treat commercial beehives. Packing them up and trucking them 50-100 miles overnight does stuff to bee colonies.
Wild colonies aren't going away (come to Arizona, and see for yourself...wild africanized colonies aren't collapsing!) and the problem is much less with hobbyist beekeepers; CCD is primarily an issue with commercial beekeeping.
If commercial beekeeping goes away, what we're left with is what we had BEFORE then...farmers maintained hives, or left suitable habitat for wild colonies to survive. It's more expensive, less efficient, and you can't just spray pesticides willy-nilly any more, but it's also a healthier way to farm...just not one conducive to the factory approach or the Walmart-ized food prices we've become accustomed to.
Thanks, BruceJ.
:D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Argh I HATE it when
BillBruceJ gets on his grand Soapbox of Ignorance...First, having raised bees as a hobbyist in desert canyons of Eastern California far from agriculture, I can state that, from my perspective, the collapse of wild bees has been precipitous -- so good for Arizona. Moreover, cofactor theories, including the Nosema and IIV connection, have long been included in hypotheses about the cause of CCD. The problem with the cited study here is that UM prof Jerry Bromenshenk immediately caught hell for his relationship with pesticide-maker Bayer and then gave a pretty half-hearted defense after the cranks flew off the handle. While BruceJ is down with Bromeshenk's explanation, the research community generally has yet to embrace this cofactor theory, and continues to look at e.g. without reaching a final conclusion. I know we all have a tendency to be conclusory, but I'm still willing to wait as science patiently considers all the evidence.
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CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
What really "bugs" me is that so many people are worried about if the quote was even made by Einstein. Fact is honey bees are dieing and nobody knows exactly why.
Regardless of the cause, the implications of this phenomenon are enormous – and it is alarming how rapidly this is occurring. From a NYT article on 2/27/07: “…one study says that honeybees annually pollinate more than $14 billion worth of seeds and crops in US, mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts.”
When I researched this I found many articles that revealed findings that sited damage from seed treatment Clothianidin by Bayer
and genetically modified seeds by Monsanto
Multinational Corporations that place profit over poison.
I'm glad this has lead to a discussion if nothing else.
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