Ed Schultz: Wall Street's Hand in Causing the Food Crisis in Egypt
Susie wrote about this Monday and Ed Schultz did a nice job of walking the viewers through how the hedge fund managers on Wall Street did their part in contributing to the riots we're seeing in Egypt and across much of Africa by contributing to the severe spikes on the cost of food.
Here's Susie's post if you missed it -- The Era Of Cheap Food Is Coming To An End. Blame Wall Street Hedge Funds..
And here's more from Democracy Now -- The Food Bubble: How Wall Street Starved Millions and Got Away With It.
It's a shame it takes the kind of turmoil we're seeing in Egypt and Tunisia and the possibility of the entire Middle East blowing up in protest for our corporate media here in the United States do finally be doing some of the reporting normally reserved for shows like Democracy Now or networks like Al Jazeera.
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So can the need for water.
Coca Cola took over the water regions in large areas of India and produced Dasani, so now the poor have to pay for what was once THEIR water.
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AIR
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under water and herd the farmed fish.
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cigarettes ...
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cigarettes. The fluid inside those things contains nicotine and sometimes some flavoring. You can get different strengths of nicotine. The Chinese invented them. They apparently do not think too highly of our intelligence.
they might be able to go "Total Recall" or "Highlander II" style.
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Are working on the water. That's part of the reason that Bush bought property in Paraguay.
form the Corporate/Top-2% "butlers" aka Fox "news" and GOP - after all that's what they get paid FOR.
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bringing down "the BEAST"(aka United States of America) ... such an outstanding job that they managed to DRAG DOWN part of the world with them.
P.S. So who are the LEECHES - Federal Reserve Bank/Goldman Sachs, Wall Street and big Banks. All done through USURY, SPECULATION and OVER-COMPLEXED OIL-SNAKING.
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mustn't overlook those.
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"actual food shortages" will NEVER be known as long as Wall Street exist.
Remember Enron-California ?
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Somalia, the sub-sahara? The recent troubles in India were due to a crop failure of the onion crop, an Indian staple.
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(NO Government, NO Taxes, you do WHATEVER you want), but they don't want to admit it.
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.
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Somalis?
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a Wall Street ??? Because they are NOT poor enough ?
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that they are there to HELP.
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could not possibly have anything to do with those shortages...
http://www.businessinsider.com/egypts-food-pr...
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Oil is a necessity for making fertilizers, pesticides and fungicides, fuel to power farm equipment and to transport the product. Who would say otherwise.
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Since they are, you know, kind of really into the whole trading of commodities and stuff.
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I merely pointed out there are other causes of price rises as well. Worldwide food surpluses are vanishing.
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the value of paper money is going down.
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NPR did a story on high global food prices yesterday, but blamed the prices on scarcity. No mention of speculation.
Remember all that stuff about climate change affecting the world? It does. Population increases. Yep got that too. More people eating meat in places like China? Yep. That causes grain shortages too. Diverting food crops to make ethanol. Check. Much of this speculation about speculation is nonsense. Speculators can certainly inflate a bubble but they can't do it forever. When the crops come in you either have a bad crop, an average crop or an above average crop. If you are playing the commodities market and you guess wrong you lose your shirt. Ultimately all that matters is how much is grown. Crops have a shelf life. You either eat them or you sell them. Hoarding is a short term option and one that leaves the hoarders generally holding the shitty end of the stick when prices collapse. If prices don't collapse what you have are real shortages. The UN reports on food stockpiles are most instructive.
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hoarded. The shortage of wheat is said to be the cause of the uprising. Is there really a shortage?
wheat, and a good shortage makes their sales rise. They don't want their food to be outlawed in any more countries, and desperate hungry people just want to eat.
for a couple of years if you have adequate storage facilities. Is there a shortage locally? Maybe. Worldwide it is looming.
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You make some good points, but saying that much of the "speculation about speculation" is nonsense isn't one of them.
Matt Taibbi has a very intertesting chapter about commodity index speculation in his depressing-but-great book, Griftopia.
Areas of Asia and Africa have had food riots over the price of wheat and rice for abut 2 years now.
We essentially destroyed their local markets with our cheap imports, but they're getting less and less cheap.
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They ripped the land from the farmers who'd made Zimbabwe the breadbasket of Africa, and gave it to their own supporters who had little- if any- farming experience.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
growing shit and allocate some resources for local security to protect themselves of punk style pillage. There I said it first.
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You're missing the big picture. Wall Street assholes are making a fortune, or should I say, a killing, so it's GOT to be good for the USA. Remember, they're going to create jobs for all of us, once they have enough money. We can't stop them yet.
hybridization (or perhaps it still is) that was the great fear of food producers and agri-economies of the then third world, due to the hybridization process eliminating gene pools capable of withstanding droughts, insect infestations, etc., remember ethiopia, the sudan, etc., all for greater yields and/or profit margins at the expense of long term food stock availablity and self sufficiency, but then, we all know how that goes when profit is the motive, viz., let 'em starve! God, you gotta' love absolute power, absolutely!
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I think you're giving far too much credit to (or discredit) to modern agricultural practices, and not enough to the fact that the Sahel has been shrinking ever since the discovery of the technologies that have underpinned sedentary agriculture for the last 8,000-10,000 years. Add to this the fact that food surpluses are rarely stored for the case of drought, but rather used to grow populations- not a great idea in areas that are fast becoming deserts- and you've got the makings of famines.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Rising food prices are the result of future prices hitting the store shelves. It wasn't just evil hedge-fund managers, it was boat load of investors trying to escape the avalanche of a collapsing Wall Street. Investors historically turn to the safety of hard assets in turbulent times such as commodities, agricultures, precious metals, etc. They do this when there is no other safe place to put their money.
QE1, QE2, and maybe soon to be QE3 and Ben Bernanke are as much to blame for this fricken mess as anyone. Everyone is rushing to debase their currency now, it's a currency war we have going today, who can cheapen the money the most so they can be competitive. Those who are getting the squeeze from the monetary inflation (a result of debasing our currency) are getting hammered on food prices.
Bernanke, BLS Lie About Inflation: Dr. Doom Faber
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41385143
The US Dollar is MAJOR Trouble
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-dollar-major-trouble?
I've done my best to convey it's really about fiat currency being debased into the ground, we have a dollar crisis on our hands and what the FED is doing will destroy the dollar. Check out the links above and ask yourself, do you believe Bernanke when he says inflation is a paltry 1.2%?
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You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
Do you not realize that human population is quickly outgrowing the ability to feed itself? That there's only so much farmable land, and that land can only take so much abuse before it can no longer support crops? And that because we've grown so used to using what surpluses we grow in order to expand human population- instead of allowing the population to remain static- that food shortages are inevitable?
This ain't about markets, it's about maternity wards.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Any country who fought in WWII for at least the next 20 years has a retiring base that is 1/3rd larger than the succeeding generation, the US, Japan, most of the former soviet union, etc. The following generation after that, Generation-Y, they are larger, but they are not paying taxes all that much yet. Do some research. I think you were also one of those who told me inflation was a measly 1.2%, obviously that was wrong. Instead of forming opinions and trying to find facts to fit them, try looking at the facts and forming opinions based on the facts.
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...only go to feeding US citizens? Look at population growth over the last century. Hell, look at how it's grown more quickly ever since the beginning of sedentary agriculture in the late neolithic. Factor in that humans now live by the millions in places that couldn't possibly survive if they had to grow their food there (like, uhm, Las Vegas or Phoenix). Where do you think that food comes from? The food fairy?
Factor in some of the things Peter was talking about above- crops being fed to livestock, or used to create ethanol- and there's even more competition for the crops that we eat. Think about it: If you're in Iowa and you have a choice between growing, say, soybeans or corn, whAt would you grow? If you say soybeans, you'd be a fool: Corn is what's in demand. So corn is grown. And that corn feeds cattle that feeds Japan and China, it feeds chickens in India, it goes to fill someone's gas tank...You play the buyers off of each other, you make money- which, in your head, might seem a good deal, but for the good of the human race...Not so much.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
just outside Sioux City, the farm is still in the family, and my cousins dairy farm is only a few miles from that. My brother sells train car loads of commodities for a living, everything from corn to blood-meal. I've done more than my share of detasseling corn, walking beans, bailing hay, and shoveling shit.
It's pretty clear you like to take an opposing view of anything I post, do some research, really. I have posted numerous links showing the population issue here on C&L again and again.
Here on page 10
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05282sp.pdf
Then you can watch the interview with Kyle Bass where he discusses the issues with out population and Japan's.
Kyle Bass - Part 1
http://plus.cnbc.com/rssvideosearch/action/pl...
Kyle Bass - Part 2
http://plus.cnbc.com/rssvideosearch/action/pl...
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[slow clapping] In one of your anti-Social Security rants you point to the fact that the Baby Boomers are more populace than those who followed. In the US. Yay. Way to throw up something so not germane to the conversation.
Global human population growth isn't a generational blip. It's been climbing at a steadily increasing rate since Adam and Eve discovered crop cultivation and irrigation and settled down, now able to raise a larger family. Cain, the farmer, slew Abel, the wandering shepherd, because Cain could grow his family even larger if he could get Abel off of that farmable land Abel was using to graze his goats. It took until about 1492 AD for the Cain family to fill up the Eastern Hemisphere, where the land couldn't support a much larger family any longer, so some of them struck out for new lands, which they filled up within 500 years. Where next for the Cain family, and how will they keep growing their family, as is their tradition?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
The links are right in front of your face. Do some research, I mean really do some research instead of basking in your opinions. What is your excuse going to be when the economy tanks again sometime between the next 6 to 36 months as I have been saying for a while now?
I was telling people here a year ago food and fuel was going to shoot up and we would be facing higher inflation, everyone said I was full of it. They we're wrong. I told people gold and silver was a good store of wealth back when gold was $800 and silver was $10 an oz, I was called a nut here, again they were wrong.
I have been saying now we will likely have another crash that will cause a deflationary event and Bernanke is going to turn on the printing presses again even harder leading us into run away inflation. To this I have been told I'm wrong about that too. What will your excuse be when it happens then?
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My excuse? Other than saying this is what we got from Republican/Libertarian laissez-faire capitalism that's run rampant over the last 30 (so far) years? I'll probably point out that there were too many people and too few jobs for the Ponzi Scheme to have worked any longer, and that unless we experience something akin to the Black Death, which created a high demand for labor and created the concept of the middle class, and multiply it by ten, we're going to keep making the same fucking mistake again and again until we finally take the Malthusian plunge into extinction.
Business and markets didn't create sedentary agriculture, sedentary agriculture created business and markets. Sedentary agriculture, if it didn't just out-and-out create the world you know, at least sped up the discovery of other technologies and and concepts which make up the only world you've ever known. This isn't my opinion, it's the truth.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
But why bother teaching about that, you won't believe it anyways.
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it's the private institution called Federal Reserve Bank that is a Ponzi scheme.
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Watch this, and then you will know. This shows exactly how a dollar is created.
$10 Oil? Mike Maloney Schools Bankers on Deflation
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzef43gdupk
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wrrzsrb-wg&fe...
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that makes 9/11 conspiracies look like a newborn.
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The FED charts, the global trading patterns, all of that is real data which can be looked up easily on the Internet from the original sources. I have, it's real. Conspiracy theories? He's brow beating a room full of Russian bankers on their own turf. Think about it.
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the Flagellants - you propose political cannibalism instead of sound solutions.
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I'm for sound solutions, but do you really think they are going to happen? Do you think the solution is an answer by the US alone? This global, the answer is global, but don't expect a global answer. Everyone is content playing the cakewalk game to see who will be the last person to get the chair.
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-Don't let the Oil snake salesman tell you that it's too "complicated" for you to understand - INSTED SIMPLIFY IT !
It starts with Wall Street and it ends with Wall Street. Just make stock markets ILLEGAL - end of story.
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because that's the BS they pump, it's the Austrian's telling you it's simple.
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it look that you are not here for the good argument.
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what you give
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Republicans are the ones that get and Democrats are the ones that give. Or do you wanna KID ourselves ? Who am I kidding - that is what you want.
This is NOT a Presidency - it's a CONFEDERATE SLAVERY !!!
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The GOP are liars
The Democrats are liars
The Tea Party is just wrong
The Libertarians are wrong about too much
I really don't have much faith in our political system.
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and AGAINST ?
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Pro-choice
Pro-green
Against war
For REAL free markets, not the hijacked corruption we have.
For real money, not currency I have to pay interest on
For ending hunger
For gay marriage
For Austrian economics
I believe in the 1st amendment
I also happen to believe in the 2nd amendment even though I don't own a gun
Against racism
For separation of church and state
I tend to piss everyone off because I really don't fit in any one group all that well.
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what's your problem ?
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I'm perfectly good with my positions. You could say I'm just not very ideological.
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wall street and taxes.
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and I don't mean just the rich, I mean the poor. I like the idea of a flat tax. We already pay nearly 60% of our income to taxes in one form or another, that's too damn much.
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if we want to pay less. And once it's lowered then I've got an Idea how not to pay taxes at all.
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Bush's family way of saying: it's your shit now.
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"Oh, they're scamming us! Buy gold and we'll all be rich! Yay! The dollar! The Yuan! Someone's taking ours- take theirs instead!"
Dude, your economic theories- like all economic theories- are the farts and belches of the Mother Culture that she uses to get us to perpetuate her. You look for solace in the next fart, instead of admitting that the high priests of the temple or the marketplace sprang fully developed from the head of Mother Culture in order to protect her and keep her alive. You- and damned near everyone else, for that matter- are just too damned comfortable with searching in the Mother-Culture-approved box of solutions to think that the solution can be found outside of the box. Comprende?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I have feed my family, and pay for the bills. I'm not happy with the situation, and as for gold and silver, I would prefer if I had more than I do to feel comfortable with what is about to go down.
So no I hat e the situation we are in, I just am willing to accept the facts for they truly are. How can one prepare and protect yourself if themselves if they won't come to grips with reality no matter how bad it is.
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if you keep defending Wall Street.
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I wouldn't put a red cent in Wall Street. I'm not defending them. Pull your emotions out of the conversation and hear what I am really saying. The FED needs to be ended, Wall Street and the corrupt banks should be allowed to fail. I think we should return to honest money that the FED, the government, and the banks can't rob my purchasing power from.
How is that defending Wall Street?
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are you gonna be the one to take the bullet for Obama ?
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and what are you talking about? Bush drove us over a cliff, and Obama just stepped on the gas. The Tea Party was started at the scene of the crime, the trading floor by Rick Santelli and it was quickly hijacked by opportunistic A-holes. The political will needed to get our country on track is not there.
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right ?
Tea partiers are nothing more than a paniced idiots, just like the Flagellants - althought they don't get everything wrong, there is stuff that they can work together with Democrats.
If you want the country to go on the right track you start off with "getting Corporate interests out of politics and governmet" and "gettig rid of the Stock Market".
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I'll agree with that, I know how it works. Where I work has had to grease the palms of both parties just to be heard. $2,500 to charity get's you group of 30 lunch with a lobbyist. $50,000 gets you group lunch of 30 with a Senator's Aid. $100,000 gets you a group lunch of 30 with a Senator.
What voice does the average person have? None I think.
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and Democrats are forced to play it or it will be just Corporations that get REPRESENTED.
That's why the game needs to be changed.
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is each side has to promise more than it can deliver on to get elected. They always promise more and so we only dig deeper holes.
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or incumbents ?
The problem with Presidents is they are almost always newcomers - and newcomers don't know what they are getting themselves into.
P.S. I'm out of here.
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Everyone who can has to work to feed. clothe and shelter their families. That's been a fact of life since our ancestors came down out of the trees. What hasn't always been is the way we value gold and silver for aesthetic reasons, because you can't eat aesthetics.
But advocating stringently for one Mother-Culture-approved crutch over another from the box insures that your children and grandchildren will end up in the same tenuous position in which so many people all over the world find themselves today.
Marx and/or Bakunin, while not perfect, probably came the closest to real solutions over the last 300 years, in that they realized that humans are communal critters. We are as interdependent on each other as we have ever been, maybe even more now than in the 19th century, seeing as the world has become smaller and our occupations even more specialized. They saw that we are all, basically, equal in importance. This probably flies in the face of a lot of what you believe, seeing that so much of what you espouse comes straight out of the Enlightenment philosophers who talked about liberty and self reliance without giving thought to the fact that 200 years later it would be uncommon for men to employ servants or own slaves.
I'll skip right to the end, because I'm getting tired, but I'm talking about something bigger than your little family or mine: I'm talking about OUR family. And to save OUR family from destruction, we've got to be looking for ways to get us out of this thousands-of-years-long rut instead of ways to stay in it.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
they have very low MPM - Meat per Meal.
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that tell you, the baby boomers are larger than Generation X, don't bother posting.
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after all they are the ONES that have been SLURPING on SS surplus all those years.
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There is what I want, and then there is reality, they won't do it. Do you think the government is going to cut the military in any meaningful way? People have been protesting the military since the 60's and it's only gotten larger.
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we WILL see how smart Americans really are.
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IT'S ONE HUMONGOUS SCAM !
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Read this and you'll see what I'm talking about.
How long can the party in stocks last?
http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/how-long-c...
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
have been UNSTABLE TYRANICAL ASSHOLES - When the World CAN'T Trust America that's when the DOLLAR goes DOWN. Not that cockame bullshit story that you have been brainwashed to believe.
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We're in for some fugly inflation. A number on C&L think FED printing has little to nothing to do with this, they need read things like the below.
Fed passes China in Treasury holdings
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/120372fc-2e48-11e0-...
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
the population is growing and the economy is growing - the capital should NOT grow respectively ??!
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking
Republicans for Voldemort
Government does work, just not for YOU. Government work ONLY on the behalf of the Tycoons
Repeal stupid
I would tend to blame World Trade organizations and treaties, and whatever part Wall Street plays in that in convincing the players to move their trade around more, not to get people fed, but to increase the value of their stock.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
with Michael Louis and Colbert
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking
Republicans for Voldemort
Government does work, just not for YOU. Government work ONLY on the behalf of the Tycoons
Repeal stupid
Jonathan Swift offered a solution, but buying and eating the babies of the poor is not enough today.
The world's vast population of useless, unemployed adults must be starved into extinction.
The rich will be thus be relieved of their greatest fear--class war.
Supply and demand has a wee bit to do with it also , floods and severe weather all over the planet has done a number on wheat and other crops world wide , supply is down while demand is way up .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
as if they are on MINIMUM WAGE and Wall Street jerk each other off with HALF A MILLION BONUSES ?!!!
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking
Republicans for Voldemort
Government does work, just not for YOU. Government work ONLY on the behalf of the Tycoons
Repeal stupid
Ed Shultz blames Wall Street for outrageous food prices in Egypt.
Do we put the blame on Wall Street for the gigantic food prices right here in our U.S.?
We need a solution!!!!!
The most informative segment I've seen on Ed's show.
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