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From Face the Nation, FreedomWorks' Dick Armey claims that the GOP's purity resolution is not a litmus test for candidates. Sure looks like one to me Dick. I'm not sure what else you'd call it when you're using it to purge moderates from the Republican Party. Steve Singiser at DailyKOS has a post up on how this push to the right could end up being good for Democrats in the 2010--On Party Purity and Eleventh Commandments.

SMITH: The headlines out of the GOP this week, this notion, the Republican National Committee considering a list of 10 principles. Some have called them the GOP 10 commandments, which include things like support for the surge in Afghanistan or opposition, for instance, to the Obama health plan.

As a candidate, if you agree with the eight out of 10 -- with eight out of 10, you’ll get support from the national GOP, and if you don’t, you’re out of luck.

Dick Armey, is this litmus test a good idea?

ARMEY: First of all, it’s not a litmus test. Secondly, it is being offered for consideration in the party.

SMITH: Right.

ARMEY: And I think, thirdly, it is seven out of the 10. But if you -- if you read the list, at least five of the 10 are right at the center stage -- center post of the big 10 of American politics today, fiscal conservatism.

I think it’s -- if the Republican Party is going to win any future elections, it has to be presented as an alternative to the Democrat Party’s fiscal spending. And -- and in fact, it’s a very reasonable thing to say, if you want the support of the Republican Party, demonstrate some allegiance to the primary positions taken by the party.

That’s not a litmus test. That’s just saying, if you want us to give you our money, our support, our -- our troops in the field, our endorsements, then demonstrate that you’re someone like us.

[...]

SMITH: Let me ask Dede a question. Have you had a chance to see this list.

SCOZZAFAVA: I have.

SMITH: And would you have been able to at least agree on seven or eight out of 10?

SCOZZAFAVA: I would have been at seven out of 10 on the list. I had the opportunity the review the list this past week. I would have been at seven out of 10. If people looked at my record and understood how I felt about a lot of the federal issues, I think they could see that I was for lower taxes, lower government spending. I was not in favor of repeal of the 2003 tax cuts. I am not in favor of an estate tax. There were many things in that platform that I would be OK with. And if you look at the “Syracuse Post Standard” and the editorial review board that I went through in Syracuse, and you read the editorial conclusion, you could see they arrived at the conclusion that I was a fiscal conservative. And that’s after a two-hour editorial board.

SMITH: Right. At the same time...

SCOZZAFAVA: Cap and trade.

SMITH: Which is also on that list to oppose, cap and trade.

SCOZZAFAVA: Right which I would have been a no on cap and trade. I would have been a no on the health care bill as it’s currently presented.

SMITH: Yet a conservative insurgent in your district, you ended up ceding the nomination to him. Is this kind of a list a do or die list in the end counterproductive because in your district, in the 23rd district, which I’m familiar with, if somebody would have suggest add year ago a Democrat would have been elected there, they would have been laughed at. There’s a Democrat who’s going to Congress now.

SCOZZAFAVA: Well, I think you’ve got to look at the predecessor. John McHugh’s served this district very well. He was a moderate. Some of the positions that I got criticized for taking were positions that John already had. I think it’s important that sometimes there are regional differences even as Mr. Armey represented Texas. There are certain things that he voted against that are right on the litmus test, the 10 steps.

So I think there’s got to be some understanding. The most important thing we can do as Republicans I think and the leadership can do as Republicans are driving a message that brings us together. I absolutely agree with Mr. Gillespie when we talk about things like fiscal conservatism, lower taxes, less government spending, the pocketbook issues are the things that are most important to people today.

SMITH: Mr. Armey, did it work, the push by conservatives, to try to seize control by the people to seize control which is a sort of one of the ideas of the tea party movement. Did it work in the 23rd district?

ARMEY: Actually what happened in the 23rd district was the Republicans lost that race when they nominated Dede. And my activists on the ground contacted me and said that. The conservative party stayed out of the race until they saw that despite the fact that she has the full and enthusiastic and generous support of the Republican Party, she was losing the race.

She was already clearly falling, dropping like a brick, before the conservative candidate got in the race. So the fact of the matter was even the Democrat was running against her as a big spender. She was a bad fit for that race. Had there been an electoral primary process, she wouldn’t have won the primary. She wouldn’t have been the candidate. And the Republican would win the race.

That’s what I predict will happen in the fall. Probably the most heartbreaking thing of that event was as she found herself falling so far, so fast despite all the support she had, when she dropped out, she endorsed the Democrat. That makes it very difficult for her to come back in this primary that will be opening up for next year and saying I want to run as a Republican. I think she burned a bridge there that will probably not be one that can be rebuilt even with massive federal funds.

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SMITH: Dick Armey, some people suggest that the Republicans are fighting a demographic battle that they can’t win. That this is going to end up being exclusionary and you’ll end up in a position of not being able to take back the seats you want to take back in this next year.

ARMEY: I don’t think that’s true at all. In fact, the party that responds to the energy that is found in the public -- and right now that energy is found in the small government conservative movement that is looking at some sense of fiscal responsibility. That party that captures their attention will be the party that will win massive terms.

I think the Republican Party is in a great position. Look at the more moderate Republican that won the governorship in New Jersey on a margin of votes provided by the small government conservatives who abandoned their candidate for him because he had a chance to win.

Watch Governor Castle as he runs for the Senate. There is plenty of room for the more moderate people to win elections if they fit their district. But if in fact you nominate a person who can’t win in their district, then you should expect that person will lose the election.

SMITH: Dede, let me ask you this question. Do you think you were too moderate?

SCOZZAFAVA: Sure -- no, I don’t. And to Mr. Armey’s point, I was up by 7 percentage points mid-October. And there was a lot of Washington that all of a sudden -- and the Club for Growth, and the right side of the party that all of a sudden flooded the market, distorted my record, and was very difficult to counter that.

I think it was very difficult for leadership at the RNC not to cave in to the pressures that they were receiving from the right. Listen, at the end of the day, I know my record. I know my district. I’ve worked closely with John McHugh. And it’s unfortunate what happened. And at the end of the day I think I made the decision that was best for the assembly district that I represent, the constituents that I represent here, and the importance of Fort Drum to this area.

I would hope -- in the end, I hope what we can have is an inclusive Republican Party that’s focused on fiscal principles. And I’m hopeful that we can do that.

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Dick Armey claims the sky is not blue and pigs have a natural gift for flight. No follow up fact checking is done. TV News media clamor to get Armey to discuss these issues. Dick Armey cashes in more big paychecks for his insightful perspective.

thedirtydemocrat's picture

Armey and his cohorts have no facts and are very happy with that. They have their lies to keep them warm.

Dick Armey has always beenat a serious loss of facts and truth to back up his pronouncements. The hell of it is he has legions of the wingnuttiia that swears he is the God of all rightious things.

One thing is for sure - the Democrats will love having him around to confuse the GOP.

Different Anonymous's picture
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Practically every word out of Dick's mouth was newspeak where up is down, black is white, and they didn't cause Dede to lose in NY23.

The sad part is he's got that whole noisy dick army behind him that just eats it all up.

Nothing tells voters that Republicans are a party of ideologues, rather than pragmatic problem solvers, like the announcement last week that conservative activists are pushing a proposal to deny funding to candidates who fail a litmus or “purity” test. How long are Republicans going to keep walking around, sticking their tongues into light sockets to see what the electricity tastes like?

The Republican Party needs to run candidates that fit the district for which they are running, regardless of whether they pass a litmus test—“Just Win Baby.”

The only litmus test that matters is the one that matches a candidate to the issues in the specific district for which he or she is running, period. This might come as a shock to the party, but Republican candidates come in many colors and flavors, much like voters and the districts in which they reside.

Let’s have a reality check. Eight years of Republican leadership has left America choking on a $12 trillion national debt, a $787 billion taxpayer bailout, 10.2% unemployment and two wars whose purposes and astronomical costs are still unclear, with no end in sight. Middle America wants jobs, fiscal responsibility, affordable healthcare and quality public education for its children, none of which were delivered under a Republican administration and Republican Congress. Republicans had eight years to produce for America and they failed, breaking the spirit of Middle America along the way.

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majii's picture

Armey was testifying in the Senate as a hcr "expert." When Chris van Hollen asked Armey whether he'd actually read the Senate version of the hcr bill he answered that he didn't have to read it to know it's bad for the country. Based on his response I have serious doubts as to whether Armey has actually read the "Purity Resolution."

trying to put the kaboosh on at least an attempt at meaningful health reform, and he hasn't read the bill.

It tells me all I need to know about the teabaggers; that their threats to actually read the 2000+ page bill are idle, since not even their "fearless leader" has the wherewithal to read the rotten bill.

I've begun to read the bill. It's a lengthy read obviously, but I'm willing to do it.


I've never seen change without a fire

project's picture

Where do these fools come from? Oh Texas. I don't get it. Yes I do.
army is like kristol he has been wrong about everything for years. Yet he is such a liar and seems or acts like he doesn't have a clue how stupid he is. But that is why they keep bringing him back.
He will do or say anything to help the corporate masters that pay him. These people have lost all connection with the human race.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America!

Handypants's picture

This is a good thing.

The more the rabid crazy right wingnuts purify their party the more thoughful people will drop away from them.

My sister is a GOPher and I hope next time I see her she has become an "Indy"


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

The Republican Party finally joins the historic ranks of illustrious organizations whose membership is based on purity tests: the National Socialist Party, the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nation, the National Alliance, the Council of Conservative Citizens, etc.

... all joined together to form the Dick Armey.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

fastfeat's picture

on your right...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Handypants's picture
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Whatever happened to the Christian Coalition and the Moral Majority?

SO pure - how can they just fade away?


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

ysbaddaden's picture
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

neoconbuster's picture

Talking About Purity

Olberman Blackwater: Murderous Crusaders for Christ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAeE4SUdshs

Killing Muslims. An agenda?

Karen's picture

Okay, I'm sorry for doing this, but I don't think (the appropriately named) Dick Armey is completely bonkers on this. It's a semantic thing.

I've always understood "litmus test" to mean, in the context of politics, as a single issue stance that would disqualify a person from party membership despite loyalty to the party's basic philosophy or consistency with the vast majority of the party platform. For instance, if a Democrat were to be pro-single payer health care, anti-surge/war, pro-gay rights etc; but also happen to be pro-life, the Democratic Party would be imposing a "litmus test" by excluding him from the party for not agreeing with the party on abortion. In other words, litmus tests are single-issue deal-breakers despite basic allegiance to the party line.

So, I don't think Armey is all that crazy in saying that listing a platform of 10 basic issue stances, 8 of which a person must adopt before officially being supported by the Republican Party, is not really a "litmus test." But hey, as I said, it's a semantic thing.

Frankly, I wish parties would do more to define themselves. Not necessarily in the way that the Republicans are going about it (they're completely off the deep end), but at least give us some predictive leverage over how you're going to vote. What the hell does it mean to vote Democratic anyway? The tent's so stupidly big that Holy Joe still gets mistaken for one.

Of course, this is what we get with our archaic, broken electoral system. Check out Duverger's Law.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

Teddy Phufner's picture

the problem is not that the tent is too big, it's that there are only two tents. This is what you get with a two-party system. Progressives need to grow alternative parties while applying pressure on Dems.

Karen's picture

Oh, I do agree with that. The problem is that there are only two tents. (And when there are two tents, each one tries to be as big as possible, to let as many people in as possible. Which practically renders the whole concept of "party" moot.)

That's why I added my link to Duverger's Law. This is what we (tend to) get with our electoral system. Two, and only two, giant political parties, each gunning for what they perceive as "the center."

If we want to make multiple parties viable, we need to reform our electoral system.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

We only have one party - the corporate funded one. It goes by various names, but they are still one party. A better name for them might be Corporate Stooges.

purity test. Think of something like these tests, only substantive and of serious consquence to the future of the GOP. In this case, every Repub who supports abortion rights, gay rights, taxes for the wealthy, etc. gains "corruption" points, if you will.


I've never seen change without a fire

Karen's picture

Oh, they are indeed imposing a purity test, which is what they're calling it officially. I just don't think Armey was saying something as silly as 2 + 2 does not equal 4 when he said the "purity test" is not a "litmus test." It's just a semantic thing. The words mean something a little different.

And don't misunderstand me. The Republicans' proposed purity test is silly.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

ysbaddaden's picture
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You mean Marilyn Manson was right about dick armey and semantics?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Handypants's picture
HA!

A new band?

"dick armey and (the) semantics"

:)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

ysbaddaden's picture
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They'll speak properly

While lying through their teeth.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Awesome lyric!

Republicans defining themselves out of existence after successive election failures is just plain funny to watch. :)


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Handypants's picture

Kinda reminds me of the virginity contracts some parents have with their daughters.

It seems the "test" is only for the politicians to receive money. They are admitting the rank and file don't even pass the same test and they don't want them to.

A shameful test no matter what you call it.

"The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."

H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Yeah, they plan on requiring urine tests next.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ron's picture

if they are drinking each others urine?

ysbaddaden's picture
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How do you think Danae was impregnated?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Winski's picture

Dick Armey is a steaming pile of garbage.

Teddy Phufner's picture

Nothing could be better for Dems than to have Dick Armey and Dick Cheney as the face of the Repubs. The more Dick on the MSM, the more main stream America will be horrified of the Republican party. You couldn't ask for bigger Dicks on TV.

Annoyed Canuck's picture

. . . the very same people who talk up 'liberty', 'freedom', and the 'tyranny' of government, want to shut down any differences of opinion in their very own party.

Hard Justice's picture

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
We love big business.

(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;
We hate threats to big business.

(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
We don't care about the environement.

(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
We hate the workers and paying anything more than Minimum Wage.

(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
We hate anyone south of the Rio Grande.

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
We love war.

(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
We'd love to start some more wars.

(8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
We hate gays.

(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
We'll make end-runs around the separation of church & state any way we can.

(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
We want to be able to shoot you if you don't agree with us.

Karen's picture
Yup

Pretty much.

:(


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

FilthyHarry's picture

Lets say its 8 out of 10. And hypothetical RNC candidate supports 8 of those positions but not, oh... let say... abortion and gun control. What happens then, Dick.

Really though, Dick is right. Its not a litmus test. Is pure PR bullshit.

Handypants's picture

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I can't see how the "test" is going to help the GOP in any way.

To the contrary, the fact that they think it will help spells doom and gloom for their remaining 20%.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Karen's picture

If they actually enforce it with the vigor Know Knothing Knation would like, it will hurt them.

But, if all it is is a way to attract the idiot-media's attention for a while to help define what good Republicans are supposed to be doing, rather than talk about real issues, they get a boost from that.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

taller ghost walt's picture

and take Dick Armey with him?

Shadowgm's picture

... give a shit that starting the purity nonsense off by invoking the GOP's stand against Obama's 'socialist agenda' makes them look like a bunch of ID-10T's?

I mean, if you can't recognize socialism, what does it say about the rest of your ideas?

Kreskin's picture

The Dems could learn a lesson or two from the Repugs on unity and getting tough on those who sabotage the party , what good is a Dem " majority" with the blue dogs ?

Karen's picture

I was making a similar point above. What's the point of having a party if there is not central philosophy to which one must adhere to be a member?


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

constituent's picture

no surprise here... NO "moderates" allowed. the republicans want obvious differences they want "people like them". i just find it interesting after BUSH gave us the huge/expensive government MEDiCARE D
entitlement program which by the way the GOA says will cost beyond $7 TRILLION dollars, two expensive mismanaged wars, u.s. embassy in IRAQ, deficit financed BUSH tax cuts......now they are
'fiscally responsible conservatives' all of a sudden...........pathetic.

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