David Gergen and Co. Continue the 'Obama Needs to Move to the Center' Nonsense
As predicted by Steve Benen, here's the AC360 panel discussing the midterm elections, and one David Gergen claiming that President Obama isn't going to be able to get his "liberal agenda" passed now and that he's going to have to "come to the middle" if the Republicans take back the Congress. Sorry David, but President Obama already "came to the middle", in fact he unfortunately started there with way too many of the bills he either got passed or attempted to get passed and all he got in return was Republican obstruction.
Apparently Gergen and thinks that "coming to the middle" means passing a Republican agenda.
COOPER: Ed and David, you both have seen in White Houses, you know, a president who, going into midterm elections, faced a tough battle. And different presidents react differently: Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton. How do you think -- if the House goes back to Republican -- David, let's start with you -- how do you think that affects President Obama? How -- what changes?
GERGEN: Well, in the first place, he's not going to be able to get his liberal agenda through. That's just -- that's going to be finished.
And -- but the question is whether he's going to come to the middle and whether Republicans will do that, and we can actually get some real progress, not only on jobs, but on the deficits. I think it could be -- it could be serious gridlock, or we could go the other way. I don't think we know the answer to that yet.
I do think, if he demonizes John Boehner, to go back to the point just made, I think it could become harder to work with him.
I'd love for David Gergen to explain how John Boehner could be any harder to work with than he has been already. The President needs to do more of and not less of what he did during his Labor Day speech with calling out the GOP for their obstruction, no matter what the talking heads like the ones on this panel had to say. And John Ridley, you should be ashamed of yourself for saying you'd like to give the Republicans a chance to show what they stand for, like you don't know already. What ought to be nerve-wracking for you is what happens to our economy if the Republicans are allowed to put any fixes on hold for the next two years.
Full transcript via CNN below the fold.
COOPER: Well, continuing our political conversation, you have heard the phrase pick your poison. Well, new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation polling shows that 49 percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of Democrats, and 49 percent have the same view of Republicans.
Yet, when it comes to actually voting, that same polling suggests that people are choosing between the two, and choosing Republican. By a seven-point margin, 52 percent to 45 percent, Americans say they prefer a Republican to a Democrat in their congressional district. The Republican margin is bigger, nearly 2-1, among independents.
Back with our panel, John King, David Gergen, John Ridley, and Ed Rollins.
John Ridley, a lot of Democrats have said, you know, that some of the Tea Party candidates the GOP has nominated this year are going to put a lot of races Democrats back in play for the Democrats, but is that just wishful thinking on their part?
JOHN RIDLEY, FILM DIRECTOR/ACTOR/WRITER: I think it will put some back in play.
You can certainly see in Nevada, where Harry Reid and Sharron Angle -- you know, Harry Reid was dead, buried and gone. And now he has got an opportunity. I -- I don't think that the Democrats can assume that every one of these races is going to be able to be put on: Look, they're the extreme, and -- and you can't vote for these individuals.
Clearly, the numbers you -- you read, Anderson, people are frustrated, and people are angry. They don't like either party. They have tried the Democrats for a while. They're going back to the Republicans, which is actually the problem with a two-party system. You don't have much of a place to go.
COOPER: John King, I mean, the president is on this now big push all this week about jobs. He spoke today. We're going to play some of that in just a moment.
But, you know, one CNN poll, people seem to blame Republicans over Democrats for our current economic problems, but, despite that, there's this seven-point Republicans have in congressional races. KING: Well, that's because the Democrats are in charge. And, when you're frustrated, you take it out on the party in power. And the president's power almost always historically suffers in the midterm election, especially the first one.
The president is a Democrat right now. The Democrats have run Congress for the past few years, so they're in charge. And you're right. The number blaming the Republicans, the percentage, has gone up a little bit, which would suggest that all those Democratic ads around the country that people are starting to see and the president's message might be breaking through a little bit.
But the troubling news for the Democrats, Anderson, is the Democratic number for blame has gone up some, too. It's pretty clear the American people blame both parties for the economic mess, maybe the Republicans a little bit more, but there are a lot more Democratic incumbents on the ballot in eight weeks. And history tells you the party in power gets punished.
COOPER: You know, David, it's interesting. You look back, Democrats are in even worse shape politically now than they were at the beginning of the summer. Were -- were -- do you think things were always going to be this bad, given the economy, or were there missed opportunities, politically speaking, for -- for Democrats?
GERGEN: It's -- it's -- it's odd, Anderson. In the last two summers, the Democrats have lost control of the national message over the summer.
They did it last year with the -- with the town halls in the health care debate. And now this year, they have lost control of the -- of the -- of the argument over the economy. And that's why you see Democrats now starting to localize races, instead of making national arguments, in many of these races, while the Republicans want to nationalize this.
But I think that, overall, the Democrats have lost ground over the last 60 days. You take -- you -- you go back to the Tea Party, Rand Paul in West Virginia, you know, we thought at one time that maybe he would be in trouble. He's opened up a double-digit lead there as a Tea Party candidate.
COOPER: And that's another great example of not talking. After he gave that, you know, controversial interview, I think, to Rachel Maddow, he kind of -- there was suddenly radio silence from him.
ROLLINS: Well, he -- he learned. And every one of these Tea Party candidates have basically taken a lead. The only one that's in a real race is -- is Angle. And she was the flakiest of them all, she's basically almost dead-even with Reid.
The bottom line here is whose side turns out. And I know the issue, that the Democrats have pushed the health care, they pushed an $850 billion deficit. Both of those are very unpopular. And people don't think they have worked. So, if you have got a choice between someone who you are not sure of and someone who you are sure is going to basically make your situation worse for you and your kids and going to raise your taxes, then you're going to vote for the Republican.
COOPER: I just want to play something that President Obama said today in a speech targeting or talking about John Boehner. Let's listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And the Republican who -- who thinks he's going to take over as speaker...
(LAUGHTER)
(BOOING)
OBAMA: I'm just saying, that's his opinion.
(LAUGHTER)
OBAMA: He's entitled to his opinion, as -- but -- but -- but, when he was asked about this, he dismissed those jobs as government jobs that weren't worth saving.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: John King, does it make sense for President Obama to be talking about John Boehner?
KING: It makes sense for President Obama to be talking about John Boehner if he sees evidence -- and he has plenty of it, Anderson -- that his side is not motivated, his side is not energized.
So, he's trying to raise the stakes for those union workers right behind him. I was looking at some polling data tonight that says 33 percent, one-third, of union households plan to vote Republican for Congress this year.
If that happens, that's recreating -- ask Ed Rollins about the old Reagan Democrats. Those are blue-collar workers in the 1980s who decided their party had become too liberal. It was wasting their tax dollars through spending too much money.
If that happens to this president this year, if 33 percent of union households vote Republican for Congress, then John Boehner will be the next speaker of the House.
ROLLINS: John Boehner is not known by the country. So the president raises and elevates him and tries to make him a bogeyman. And what the president has done basically was going to be above partisanship, has become the ultimate partisan. And I promise you over the next eight weeks, his own negatives are going to get higher, and he will diminish himself and diminish his party.
COOPER: Ed and David, you both have seen in White Houses, you know, a president who, going into midterm elections, faced a tough battle. And different presidents react differently: Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton. How do you think -- if the House goes back to Republican -- David, let's start with you -- how do you think that affects President Obama? How -- what changes?
GERGEN: Well, in the first place, he's not going to be able to get his liberal agenda through. That's just -- that's going to be finished.
And -- but the question is whether he's going to come to the middle and whether Republicans will do that, and we can actually get some real progress, not only on jobs, but on the deficits. I think it could be -- it could be serious gridlock, or we could go the other way. I don't think we know the answer to that yet.
I do think, if he demonizes John Boehner, to go back to the point just made, I think it could become harder to work with him.
COOPER: John Ridley, you had said before that this -- I mean, it could make President Obama kind of go back to the center?
RIDLEY: Well, I think it has to make him go back to center. I agree with David on that. And I also agree that, look, there's a possibility there's going to be a real narrow margin, a real even split between the House and Senate, post- midterm. I can't see anything but gridlock going on. I mean, these are groups that don't get along. They've been fighting. There's a lot of fight ahead about what to do with this economy.
And quite frankly, I'd almost rather see more of a Republican majority, to give them an opportunity to do what they're going to do, make President Obama the arbitrator with the veto, and see where the country goes. But a narrow majority, that's a little nerve-wracking for me, personally.
COOPER: All right. We've got to leave it there, actually.
Ed, I'm sorry.
John King, David Gergen, Ed Rollins, thank you. John Ridley, as well. We'll obviously continue this as our political coverage continues all the way through to the midterms.





Am I the only one to suspect the corporations are holding our economy hostage?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The Question is, Whom do we sue?
I think they are too, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Check out Geronimo's link to the "wizard of OZ" to see just how many times it's been done by the rich elite.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ya think?
Sometimes the obvious needs repeating, over and over.
Does anyone think a mediocre network like CNN will talk about this very real and dangerous possibility?
But if you did talk about it Wolf, just think of the ratings you'd get! Come on Wolf, save your network and save the nation at the same time. How about it CNN?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I actually agree that Obama moving to the center would be a good start. It's just I think he should keep going past the center and be slightly left.
Although Gergen undoubtedly didn't have the same meaning you had in mind, I think yours is more appropriate. If Obama moved more toward the center in the way Gergen meant, he'd be just like a Republican. (And he's already too close to being that for my taste.)
Ain't that the truth...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I was so hopeful in 2008, now I feel utterly hopeless.
but keep some perspective. Everything is not politics, or controlled by the political scum. Work at the local level and do your best to live a healthy life. Try not to get trapped by circumstance.
At the local level, I'll be down town at the local Rethug office right under my photography print studio to be harassing them mercilessly. Then I'll go right next door to the Dim campaign office and do the same (photo coming).
Thank you!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Isn't he already at the center or even a bit to the right of it now? Basically when they say he needs to move to the center they really mean, do everything the Republicans want. What's the point of going to the center when the Republicans bash him no matter what? He should tell them to kiss the "center" of his ass and get back to what he promised during his campaign and stop trying to be bi-partisan because it's not working at all.
CNN is just like the illiterate Fux Noise. Boycott!
Remember when they had an honesty poll every day?
That was great, except they always found a way to accuse the Democrats of lying too.
If they don't do that again this election i will give up any hope for CNN as a news source.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
they mean from the right, correct? It would be nice to see a more left president, because I think that's who the people elected.
me-oww!
Wouldn't moving to the center require him to move to the left?
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“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
and he blew it.
He could go to the middle, or the far left or the friggin' moon for all I care. He needs to go. We had a silver opportunity to bulldoze 8 years of Bush/Teabagger hell and all we got was this stupid f****in tee shirt.
TV, print, etc. will take this narrative, thereby giving the Democrats cover to move even further right. And the die-hards will still say to vote for them, because "the other side is worse". It's high time to show the Dems that moving right makes them lose elections. Better now than in 2012.
On the other hand, a clean win for the Democrats might just shut the Republicans up.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
pro-corporate legislation? How would that be "change"?
We have to start somewhere, or give up.
Those are the choices we face.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
enormously, huge, clean win in '08 - and that didn't do anything except enbolden the racists among us.
They think once was a fluke. Maybe it was. I hope the hell not.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
... looking at their track record after 2006 and 2008, I think that will not be the case.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
We could get a filibusterer proof majority this time though... if we work at it at the street level where the middle class people are.
And i can't believe the Republicans that loose again will be around very long.
This is it for the Republicans. Loose again and it's going to look very grim for them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I'm pretty sure I've heard this before?
Didn't I hear the same "move to the middle" thing on Nov. 8th 2008? Then again in Jan. and a few more times since.
Why bother with such inanity. I care about what Gergen says about as much as I do Saracudda or Newt or Dick the "toe sucker"
Seems like the villagers are no longer just the villagers.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
If you define center as promoting positions supported by a majority of Americans, I would heartily support this proposition, since it would move him significantly to the left of where he is now.
I agree. War. Torture. Domestic spying. Shafting the middle-class. Forcing people into Republican health care (and it's lack of cost controls, but with insurance mandates...). Rolling over for Wall Street. Kicking gays to the curb. Bombing middle-east civilians.
Sure, he got the peace prize for "Not Being George Bush." But they should take it back...
The pundits don't even try to keep track any more. They are numb.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
If Obama gets any closer to the center, he'll have to change parties...
Rollins is bitter, rich, and elite.
He gleefully declares that the President will loose.
Doesn't he have enough already?
That's what i don't get. These people have everything yet they can't get by without persecuting the less fortunate. That alone should get the middle class raging and ready to vote Democratic this fall.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I really believe it's not about money, that is secondary to the tribe. The tribe is everything to rethugs. That's why we must prevail, the human race is our tribe, and that will win in the end, of that I am sure.
I hear you.
The Republican tribe hears you too, and that's why the word tribe has entered their lexicon very recently - we are on to them so they have to deflect with an identical counter accusation.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The middle class is a huge slice of Americans.
All we need to do is win a percentage more of their votes to win in a landslide.
The 2% rich elite that the Republicans cater to would not stand a chance against a united middle class!
So, what's going on here?!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
You're absolutely right, which is why the Right has a corporately funded noise machine that convinces a significant portion of the middle class to vote against its own best interests. If we could find an effective way to counter all the right wing propaganda, we really could change this country...
David Gergen is a republican. Don't ever forget that -he's less totally crazy than most of them, but he is still a republican, in spite of all the insanity of the past few years.
The only thing you find down the middle is road kill! These people are full of shit. The President has tried to govern from the middle and we've gotten weak legislation for our troubles! We need more real Democrats in Congress. Not these fake ass blue dogs.
I'll second that emotion!
The other day this fake ass honest broker tried to peddle that Obama is partly at fault that many Americans believe him to be a Muslim.
from the Rethug Lite, Bill Clinton. I believe he may have given them Lanny Davis too.
If only everyone would just see
Capitalism: A Love Story
people would see they are being played by the Republicans for the Republicans and the 2% that don't need a thing.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I think Mr. Obama should move towards the center. That would put him far left of where he is now. The man is like a 1980s Republican.
would prove that Washington has changed the way he does business.
Yes because that wild eyed liberal Obama has really taken corporate america to task. What is it with these yahoos. Obama move to the center. Any more movement to the right and he'll be Newt Gingrich. These people really are astounding living in that bubble in DC. They think every one in the country think they way they do. No Gergen, Obama is in trouble because he's too much to the right, not the other way around. I know you benefit when things on Wall Street goes well, but the rest of teh 98% of the people don't feel the same and are struggling to make ends meet in this disastrous economy people like yourself promote. I wish these so-called "smart and intellectual" people would take their asses home and enjoy their wealth and stop telling the rest of us how things are. Obama is already in the one term poll numbers. If he keeps listening to the Chris Matthews, David Gergens and their ilk, he will most definitely be a one termer.
Corporations are set to win the election. Kock brothers are putting millions into the teabagger candicates, Walt Street Whitman has already spent over 100 million to buy the highest office in CA. It doesn't matter what the democrats run on, even the truth will not help. Our country is being sold to the highest bidder and they're always republicans that don't give a crap about the middle class, or what's left of it after reagan started the all out war on us.
This always happens every century or so.
It's always darkest before the storm.
America has to do this to recover.
The worst thing you can do is give up and not vote.
The best America is yet to come. Just remember how bad it was 50 and 100 years ago. The bullies will eventually loose. They are mostly old people, and their offspring are pretty damn feeble. :)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
believe that if America stays on this same course of the haves and have nots, there will be a revolution, not in my lifetime, but perhaps my daughter's or grandson. I wish I could be here to participate. I will be voting, it's the only power I feel I have.
You'll be in the barbequed flavored ruffled Soylent Green Chips....
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'd love for David Gergen to explain how John Boehner could be any harder to work with than he has been already.
Wow. Ya.
Either Gergen doesn't see what is going on or he has a hidden agenda.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Hey Cooper Anderson!
How does it feel to be mediocre?
Is it because you're rich?
Or do you belong to the Republican tribe? [thanks media critic]
Please don't be mediocre.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Gergen as most of these manipulative pundits, count on public ignorance for this comment. Gergen likes to play both sides but, like Chris Matthews and other "experts", he serves the corporate Villager culture first and foremost, we must never forget that about the vast majority of teevee news that forces itself on us.
The media plays the kabuki theater of left and right, while the real deal is between the haves and have nots, the rich and poor. That is the real man behind the curtain, the theater is the shiny thing they wave in front of our eyes daily. Shame on them, but we know being amoral they feel no shame.
This is the liberal media!? I've been robbed!
I must be missing something. I consider myself a Progressive but not what is commonly termed by the reactionaries "the loony left" (well, by their estimates Attila would fit that definition, so maybe I am!). Anyway, unless I'm way off, wouldn't the POTUS have to actually steer leftward to get to "the middle"?
that need Obama to move to the center
Gergen and co. are just their paid mouthpieces.
Who owns the tv outlets and who are the sponsors?
That's whose voices you're going to hear on your tv,
anyone else will be censored or ridiculed.
It's very apparent how this game works.
You will only hear what Rupert Murdoch, the executives at G.E., Disney, etc want you to hear and they couldn't give a flying f*** about America or the American people if it interferes with them cramming more money into their bank accounts.
The greed heads are in charge and running the show and the country,
Everyone else is too occupied with raising their families, making a living and living a normal life to do anything about it.
Move to the center ? Uh, helloooooo. I am staying right where I am thank you, basking in the warm and fructifying rays of the sun - that sun! - which shone throughout this amazing Summer of Recovery !
Gergen's head is up his butt on this one , he has it exactly backwards , Obama's problem is that he has compromised too much , has moved center right and he has crapped on the left that got him and the Democrats elected , Gibbs statement in regards to the left is going to hurt them , it was absolutely nuts . By all appearances the policy advisers Obama has surrounded himself with amount to one big cluster cluck , true to form for the step on a rake party .
agenda is, because I'm just not seeing it. Healthcare reform is the only thing I've seen that really fits in that category, and even it wasn't all that liberal, considering it lacked a public option and didn't extend Medicare. Seriously, would someone like to answer my question?
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