Cowardly Kit Bond Carries Water for the Bush Administration and Whines About Terror Trials in NY
By Heather Saturday Nov 14, 2009 9:30am
These tough guys sure do have a lot of fear about trusting the United States court system, don't they? During an interview with Andrea Mitchell today Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond joined the long list of Republicans carping about the Obama administration moving the trial of 9/11 suspects to New York.
Bond: Well I think it’s an insult to the memory of those who were brutally murdered on Sept. 11th to have the leaders behind these cowardly acts of terrorism sit in a courtroom blocks away from ground zero and reap the full benefits and protections of the U.S. Constitution.
I'd love to know how giving these men a fair trial so that the victims of 9/11 can finally have their day in court is insulting them. I would think the opposite is true and that they would be happy to finally have some closure to the whole ordeal. Bond throws this stink bomb out there a bit later in the interview.
Bond: And there is no reason whatsoever to try this person in an open courtroom in the United States with all of the powers that defendants, that American defendants have to get information and expose all of the things that they want to talk about and try to recruit more people like Maj. Hasan who just shown us that Americans can be propagandized and turned into deadly terrorists if they get the word from the leaders who wish to bring death and terror to the United States. I think it’s a disaster.
Yeah, let's wrap this into the tragic shooting at Fort Hood and pretend the two issues have anything to do with each other. Maj. Hasan didn't go on a shooting rampage because he saw terrorist suspects going to trial in the United States. Maybe if we quit dropping bombs on poor people's heads that are not a threat to our country the terrorists out there would have a few less recruiting tools at their disposal.
Bond's real problem with these trials is that they will expose what's been done in our name with this ridiculous "war on terror" that is nothing more than excuse to feed the military industrial complex that Bond and his ilk love so much, and that Dwight Eisenhower so rightfully warned us about.
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I'm kind of looking forward to the day that those in the prior administration who said torturing people is ok go to trial.
i'll tell you what, if that happy happy day ever comes, these rank hypocrites will be absolutely bawling for the right to a fair trial. you betcha! also. too.
about what will influence other muslims to join terrorist groups, he should be screaming about our occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We're just bringing them de-mock-racy - they may not even know they want it.
/snark
Looks like he never wants to practice as one again. I cannot believe what came out of his mouth. The full benefits of the US Constitution are there for everyone who comes into this country. He probably forgot that during his terms in office. Or his time as a Republik. Or his time as a white man. Or his time as a southern white man. So I hear you're thinking of retiring? Glad to hear it. Bye now.
Part of the reasoning in putting them on trial in New York, is so survivors of the victims of 9-11 can attend the trial.
Expect scalpers.
fear......they are going to be revealed. you can be sure the media will spin these trials beyond comprehension.
Apparently the 9/11 Commission members are now complaining that they were lied to:
http://wearechangeseattle.org/2009/09/25/the-...
Kit Bond is one of rethuglican politicians on the chimpy/darth regime that concocted various schemes that turned out to be WAR CRIMES related to TORTURE. He should now be PROSECUTED for those WAR CRIMES. This is getting REAL CLOSE TO THE BONE FOR BOND who should be arrested soon...
.....at Saddam Hussein's trial the "Kurd" witness who looks exactly like Tom Selleck? And I DO mean exactly.
The upshot will be that there will be ample evidence to convict and sentence all of them to death based on their actions even before they were rendered and tortured. What will come out in the trials will be testimony of what their "enhanced interrogation" entailed. It will not be pretty, and will expose the trashing of the Constitution and what this country is supposed to stand for by Bush, Cheney, and their rubber stamp GOP congress.
and part of the conservatards fear must be the discloser that KSM was water-boarded just to connect Iraq to 9/11.Let the trialz begin!
.....really looked like Tom Selleck.
I think that Major Hasan is a whackadoodle.
He's protesting sending Muslim soldiers to wage war in Muslim countries, and is going to save these Muslims from killing these other Muslims by killing them?
Democratic, open trials are for Americans Only, because We are so Wonderful and We Invented Democracy. No Fairness for "Others"
You forgot the 'real' 'white' 'Christian' part.
Major Nidal Hasan was an American citizen, but not a 'real' American.
Major Nidal Hasan wasn't white.
Major Nidal Hasan wasn't Christian.
Oh, and the judges in Kit Bond's fantasy world probably wear white robes with pointed hoods.
would any conservative from the eisenhower era recognize these guys? do they even recognize themselves? they make it sound unamerican to do any of the things that define america. words just fail me, the cognitive dissonance is too much for my head to wrap itself around. baffling.
the deep end. This time, it's not just the wing nuts screeching. We haven't even heard from them yet. I love this!
heh heh
We've redefined the meaning of so many things that a time traveler from 30 or 40 years ago visiting us today wouldn't know WTF. Torture, Socialism, Capitalism, Patriot, Freedom, Democracy, Justice, Election, Right, Left, Center.
I know one person before 1950 who would know...George Orwell.
George Orwell was a dirty rotten Fascist Marxist terrist-loving Leftist Nazi and was intent on destroying the American Way Of Life. Also I heard he was born in Kenya.
four legs tied down and water poured down your throat better.
followed by execution, The Best.
Republicans like to toss out the warning that dong this or that will "embolden terrorists". My feeling is that terrorists are emboldened by seeing the habitual negative fear-mongering reactions of the GOP to anything Obama does.
This is hardly the Home Of The Brave if you listen to the wingnuts.
If there's something you don't want somebody to do then add on a random anonymous result.
If you get that abortion, the terrorists have won.
If you declare bankruptcy then you hate America.
and so forth.
It's not only easy, it can be a lot of fun. Try it!
LOL-GOP's, the next I Can Has Cheezburger venture :D
If dog can haz cheezeburger then kitties haz lozt.
I think seeing that fake Kurd Tom Selleck look alike straight out of the No Fly Zone at Saddam's trial would have emboldened them as well.
as it is not something anyone would be proud of. Obama will be the president when these guys are convicted and most certainly executed. He will give the State of the Union address that puts the closing remarks on these beasts.
And that folks, is a political winner.
It will stand in stark contrast to GOP / Bush inaction and failure.
Given the bunk they are truing to pass off..what do you think they are really concerned about? And as a little icing on the cake, if these guys "hate us for our freedoms" why not cram a few of those freedoms right up their asses on the way to the gallows.
And so should any Republican who believes that our legal/court system and CONSTITUTION is some sacrosanct object of which the suspects are not worthy. I mean, do they really hear what they're saying?
"America has freedom, but you wogs aren't deserving of it, so piss off!"
And the whole 'OMG! T3rr0rists will spread propaganda and win converts!' is from the same drawer as 'OMG! Teh G@y are going to turn your children homosexual! We don't dare give them the right to marry!'
Just more examples of the Republicans being so piss-their-pants scared that they can't think.
The constitution does not grant its rights to the world... only to U.S. citizens.
Google it.
Actually the Constitution repeatedly refers to the "accused" not citizens per se.
In fact, the average American at first couldn't even perform the most basic right of citizenship, voting, without owning a certain amount of property.
People in territories waiting for statehood, also weren't considered citizens of the United States yet.
The Indians and the black slaves and indentured servants were also not considered citizens, but supposedly had the same legal protections.
Additionally it wasn't even clarified that all were considered citizens of the United States, and not just of their individual states, until the post-war passage of the XIV amendment.
But the Federal protections still applied, at least in Federal courts, and in the State courts due to the VI amendment.
My point is that we cannot possibly be promoting/proud of that very system if we're willing to chuck it all the moment some big bad guy shows up.
This is about America triumphing. Perhaps it's idealistic, but I'd like to think we're capable of sending Khalid Sheik Mohammed off to prison without breaking our own laws.
(Unfortunately, of course, Republican expediency/hypocrisy is why KSM was tortured, and Republicans are afraid of a OJ Simpson/Johnnie Cochran moment. "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.")
I was talking to you in my comment at 10:01.
The thread is clear, and my response was also to Count No Constitutional Rights For You!
At least to me. Especially when I'm psyched.
they don't have enough votes to win any elections.
"The right are crazy for not wanting the trials in NY" is a foolhardy position based on nothing but rainbows and naivete. New York will transformed into a target to desirable to pass up to extremists, and the left will have some hasty retreating to do. It's nice to be smarter in general thanthe right, but policy should never be based in sheer foolishness.
... the Word of the Day on dictionary.com?
It's been SEVEN YEARS since 9/11. If the terrorists had the capability to strike in such a manner again, they would have done it on Bush's watch. Especially when we've had extensive memorials at all of the locations, and President Bush was actually on site.
Not to mention, NYC takes their security seriously, putting police officers on the street who are armed with more than a pistol. You are implying that the NYPD, backed by the FBI, CIA, and the rest of the Homeland Security apparatus that a Republican administration foisted on this country ... is WORTHLESS.
Where are these extremists, and why are they invisible? It is because, for the most part, they simply do not exist. 9/11 was made possible by inattention at the highest levels, aided by the fact that we, as a populace, accepted the convenience of air travel with wide-open access.
lefties are responsible for the trial being held in NYC?
THINK about it!!!!!!! I mean, the 'courts' are part of 'the Government' which is being run (into the ground) by 'Democrats' who want nothing more than to set the bloodthirsty terrorists free in The Heartland to rape your children. Clearly the only alternative to that nightmare is to maintain our offshore black site prison and torture them for eternity. USA! USA! USA!
ummm... hey count, NYC was, is and will be a target (remember the WTC bombings? 9/11?)
"Bond: Well I think it’s an insult to the memory of those who were brutally murdered on Sept. 11th to have the leaders behind these cowardly acts of terrorism sit in a courtroom blocks away from ground zero and reap the full benefits and protections of the U.S. Constitution."
Then wasn't it an "insult" to have Timothy McVeigh, Charles Manson, Tim Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Mohammud and Lee Boyd Malvo, and all of these other brutal killers who committed cowardly acts of terrorism (yes, I'd say what they did was terrorism)"reap the full benefits and protections of the U.S. Constitution?"
Maybe they should have been sent to GITMO to be tried.
These damned repugs just hate Obama and want to do anything at all to try to discredit him and bring him down.
Does any other country have an extra-legal territory for trials? Where are/were bombers (etc.) in other countries tried, the South Pole?
There's a reason they want it done at Guantanamo-- away from prying eyes.
COWARD is the correct term for this POS.
I wonder what this RAPE-UBLICAN whiner sees when he looks in the mirror?
My guess is - nothing.
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sphincter!
Is an insult to all thinking caring people of the planet.
I don't get how anyone would ever vote for such an ignorant self serving fool. But alas he is a republican and republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America!
These weasels are afraid something approaching the truth might come out.
...dead-ringer for Tom Selleck
Looks like it is time to repost the video:
"Bush: I want to close Gitmo and try them in U.S. courts."
Oh how quickly they (selectively) forget.
Here's the story of a trial gone bad, but nevertheless still a trial:
http://colonial-america.suite101.com/article....
What the DFH, white wine drinking, neo socialist gang doesn't understand is that these terrorists are not normal people. If you think a prison exists that can hold these demons...think again. X men and superman have nothing on these guys. They are supernatural!
Run! Run for your lives!!!!
Superman terrorists could not, and will not get out of a supermax prison. That's why they are called supermax prisons.
Here, maybe this will help. Click here and whenever you read "Chuck Norris" replace it with "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed".
These guys confessed and were already convicted by a military tribunal. These guys were enemy combatants not an America committing a petty crime. Where are they going to get a jury of their peers from? Foreign terrorists have no peers in America. Not to mention all the security concerns from the discovery process and under cover agents that will have to testify and there is a chance the judge and jury could let these guys go free, again after a confession and the guilty plea in the military tribunal. This trial will be putting America on trial not the terrorists.
During a recent Larry King interview, America had this to say.
"I have complete confidence in the justice system and am looking forward to my trial."
We (they) need to be put on trial for this phony "war of terror"
After consultation with his lawyer, America has decided to make no further comments.
Show trial indeed
"inappropriate," unclipped her mic, sat in her seat and stared into the camera breathing through her mouth. When Larry asked America if she could hear him she answered "No I can't hear you." At some point after, she stormed off the set.
n/t
So glad that little Twit was made a fool of.
You make some valid points but your conclusions I find quite suspect.
it's the nature of the beast.
...So THAT explains the tattoo 666 on my forehead...
"This trial will be putting America on trial not the terrorists."
Well I'd be happy to see both put on trial if by "America" you mean the Bush government.In fact most of the world would like to see "America" put on trial.
under their own steam, totally voluntarily, I'm sure.
"You will get a fair trial, after which, you will be put to death."
Yeah that sounds like my country, that people supposedly fought to keep free and fair. As those guys are human, we are all their peers, and brothers to a man, whether you think so or not, Mr. 20 minutes a member.
When? Where? What was the outcome? Is that you Karl? Trying to cover your ass with the "repeat a lie five times and it becomes true" tactic?
"This trial will be putting America on trial not the terrorists."
Hallelujah. If you've got nothing to hide... No worries, right hworta?
German and Italian POWs were brought to the United States and imprisoned in Texas during WW-II.
http://history1800s.about.com/od/americanwars...
Why do these people insist on living in constant fear. Nothing they do or say involves anything outside of fear and paranoia. NOTHING! Think about it. No positive vision for the future. No ideas to make the future better. They are on an inescapable march in their own mind towards Armageddon. Cowardly fits the fox nation to a t. And they wonder why people like me are repulsed by them. The offer up nothing that relates to my moral or philosophical values. As a matter of fact, they could hardly be more opposite.
They use it as a weapon.
I'll be working on my neighbor's shrine to the Saint Bush's.
made out of dog shit? my neighbor likes Bush and has a problem with dog shit (he-he)
is that he was involved in a lot of shit about the aftermath of 9/11. He is a no good bastard and I can't wait for that s.o.b. to retire. The only reason he is retiring is because he knows he cannot get re-elected. Scum bag!!!!
Wilmington!
When did an entire nation - rich and armed to the teeth - suddenly decide that the world is too terrifying for free people to administer? The Right and the Rapture Readies seem to be the sector that is most psychically debilitated by living in a post-Cheney world. Fears include the normal exercise of baseline Constitutional rights: subjecting terrorists to a trial by law; defendants getting a say in court with legal counsel; a jury of peers deciding their accountability.
I guess Michael Steele, Bachman, RushBeckistan and Dick Armey have to water the Tree of Derangement from time to time with a new media message. Unfortunately, brain-dead Americans have been in a permanent state of quake since last November and have nullified all logical filters. And this is getting worse by the day...this will be a long riiiiddde.
authority, not freedumbs. Like the Chinese and Russki's (don't) really want
That's exactly like saying it is an insult to have the trial of the person who murdered my son be tried in the same city where the murder took place.
I realize this hack is just grandstanding, but what about the people who believe him? Are THAT many Americans butt-ass stupid?
Yes
40% of Democrats don't believe in evolution. Democrats.
I don't believe in polls.
For example if one were to ask me about whether or not I believe in evolution, "I'd answer, 'I don't believe in evolution, since it's not a theology, I accept it.'"
Now if you were a pollster faced with me; they can't easily categorize the party I belong to, but I respond that I do tend to vote Democratic, and they heard that response about evolution from me, what bubble would you fill in or check box that you would check?
Yes. The ratings of the O'Reilly and the Limbawl ratings along with Bekkk, Dobbs, Malkin, etal tell you that there are a lot of dumb shits out there. The republikkkan base is now nothing more than inbred, dim witted rednecks.
Republicans want military trials because they are kangaroo courts hidden behind curtains. If tried in NYC in a civilian court, there is apt to be the nasty public disclosures about torture, et al.
How do I know about military courts? I served 31 years in the military and sat on several court-martials. In one trial, my fellow board members wanted to discuss the sentence before the trial even started.
A corrupt system designed to convict.
I agree with that. The system is rigged from the start. I went through a court-martial in 1985 in the Navy. It was supposed to be a jury of my peers but the officer that handled it wasn't my peer. Not even close. I was an E-1 at the time and he was a Lieutenant. I knew I was finished when I saw his Rank. What I didn't find out until later was that I had already been found guilty BEFORE the trial even started. The trial itself was only for show. He was a nice guy though so it all worked out in the end.
The GOP is simply saying that more energy could be put into tracking down...er..whats-his-name.
Obama? No! Osaka? Wait....I know this....Osama!
Osama something...I think his middle name is Ken...Len?....Lenny?
They talk tough and want our troops going to war at any opportunity, but don't fight the war themselves. Trials for the enemy combatant? NOOOOO! Imprisonment here? NOOOOO!
A point was made by another poster about Tim McVeigh being tried here. Is this about not trying terrorists or is this about not trying MUSLIM terrorists here? And, yes, a lot of this outcry is because the Bush Administration and their tactics will be part of the conversation, which will make Republicans look worse.
Honestly, I don't think there is a fear that these suspects will get off. The way I see this, it's a fait accompli. No way do the jurors let these guys walk. Moreover, I think Obama is sending a message, and the message is "If you f*ck with us on our turf, you die on our turf!" Also, it's time to prosecute these bastards and bring some closure here.
A couple of noted items: 1) War was never declared by Congress, thus they can't be war criminals. The crime occured on US soil in Sept. 2001 before we invaded Afghanistan. And 2) the 3 terrorists that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 were tried and convicted by US court on US soil. Where was the outrage then by the Republicans?
"lucky" for KSM, his trial is a sure-bet for federal prosecutors. thus, he get's his day in court. and he will be found guilty (which is EXACTLY WHY he is allowed into the US court system--guaranteed guilt). the govt will declare victory, the people will rejoice, and the american style of justice will be held up (by americans), once again, as a beacon for justice.
yet, that is still a lie.
those whose convictions are not guaranteed in the US court system are not granted a fair trial--instead they are forced to go before a military tribunal.
and for those that the govt knows will not be convicted (usually b/c they have not committed a crime) will still, a la george w. bush, be held indefinitely. no trial. no release. no freedom. which is a system supported and argued by the obama admin.
so, sure, we should applaud that ksm is finally getting his day in court. but, please, let's not delude ourselves that the obama justice dept is a champion for human rights.
Dig your holes find bunkers to hide in, True Justice is coming and it should not be allowed.
Calling all weak kneed Spineless, gutless cowardly republican teabaggers and members of the wacko right and religious crazies hide hide hide the end is here.
How can these liberal clowns do what is right, showing the world that America is a Country of Laws when we on the Right KNOW that we are Cowards and a Country of Corporate Socialist.
America is coming to its end. What a bunch of wankers
(Think before you answer.)
...and the attendant concept that justice can be served by any means other than perpetual violence.
Do you think maybe that partially explains why
GoldsteinOsama hasn't been captured yet? Or at least why it seems there's so little motivation to do so?One of the basic historical facts of this country that is lost on the lot of Bushhawks and Cheney apologists is that one of the principles on which this country was founded is that the law, and its application, is to be an open process, accessible to all. Before the US (History majors, please correct me if I'm wrong) laws were meted out by committees of clergy or nobility, and the processes and sanctions were arbitrary, often simply based on the whims of those in authority. Having an open judicial system is a wonderful thing becasue it defines what we are.
I understand that the GOP wants to reconstitute a feudal society, based on the old British model as it was implemented in the South pre Civil War. But the United States as a whole chose a more enlightened path.
Only those who have no faith, are afraid of challenges to it. The Republicans don't believe in America, so they can't stomach any critiques of it.
This sack of shit would have us believe that this defendant is going to be given a soap box and hours of time to bloviat as his repuke comrads do all the time.
NO, you ignorant son of a bitch! He is going on trial...NOT on fox newt. Jesus...these dumb ass holes need to be put out to pasture. Why must such ignorant sons of bitches represent entire states of people? Are they really that f*cking stupid in Missouri? Don't they have anyone better to represent them than this cowardly idiot?
Didn't the shoe bomber Richard Reid attempt to pontificate whilst on trial?
But if I remember aright, the court pretty much shut him down.
Will that help with scott roeder?
Relating to 9/11 did the Bush administration conduct over what period of time? How many convictions and what were the penalties?
Bond: Well I think it’s an insult to the memory of those who were brutally murdered on Sept. 11th to have the leaders behind these cowardly acts of terrorism sit in a courtroom blocks away from ground zero and reap the full benefits and protections of the U.S. Constitution.
Yeah, because how can we be sure that an untried document like the Constitution will really work. Lawyer shows show that all of the time. We need to just simply hold these people in chains forever and ever, far away from all contact, torturing them for their evil ways and sending a message to all of these evil muslims what our abject fear and utter terror of them will drive us to do.
that there aren't already measures in place to take these guys out if they're found not guilty? They're not leaving US soil, ever, one way or the other.
Reslug Wing-Nuts are hilariously starting to believe their own fear monguering and are now constantly cowering to the terrorists, being crybabies and wetting their beds, out of their own ridicious scaredy pants fear.
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