Countdown: Prosecuting CIA Torture
Keith talks to Harper's Scott Horton about the reports that Attorney General Eric Holder is about to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the CIA for torturing prisoners. Horton has more at Harpers:
Here’s another question. According to the Los Angeles Times, “Officials said it wasn’t clear that any CIA interrogators were ever informed of the limits laid out in the Justice Department memo. ‘A number of people could say honestly, correctly, “I didn’t know what was in it,”‘ said a former senior U.S. intelligence official.” How would that affect the work of a special prosecutor?
The Times piece builds off accounts furnished by “former senior Justice officials,” close to the torture issue, with apparent knowledge of “investigations.” In all likelihood, we’re talking about Bush Administration political appointees apprehensive about what a special prosecutor might uncover. I would strongly discount the claims that the investigations will never go anywhere because of a lack of witnesses and evidence. That conclusion can’t be justified until a serious investigation has actually been conducted—and it’s clear that the Bush Justice Department did not conduct a serious investigation because they were concerned about where it might lead.
won't happen.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Unfortunately I'm with you on this, it's much like the Iraq inquire in the UK, it's a puppet show for the masses.
The criminals that told the other criminals to do it knew they were never going to be touched.
Tis just the way it is.
agreed -- don't waste our time and taxpayer money just to put on a dog and pony show to scold the Cheney Administration.
I'll keep my hopes up and my expectations down.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
..so far, that's all we've been able to have, expectations. The aggravation over what should be a simple debate or "teachable" moment over health insurance reform is dominating everything. There is nothing on the President's agenda until the Health Insurance Reform legislation is passed. Given the volume of this debate, there will be violence at some volcanic level if the W administration is taken to task for its crimes. Sad really! We can't have a civil discussion about our health care concerns and we can't or won't prosecute criminals. So much for our democracy today!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Countdown: Torture Prosecutions (from 2005)
Let's play kick the can...
Seriously, how many times has Countdown done a "Torture Prosecutions" segment in the past four years?
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
So many many crimes. Such little time. Where does one begin?
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Go for bush and cheney first I say.
Go after, and don't stop until they're at the Hague on trial for war crimes.
..fifty years! The point beyond punishing politicians who acted contrary to our laws would hopefully be to dissuade some future politician from persuing the same criminal activity. And it still galls me that these so-called Patriots have acted in such manner all the while receiving support from other so-called Patriots who refuse to see the laws of the land they love be enforced. Shameful!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
If a lawyer can't get these guys locked up for perjury at the very least, they don't deserve their job:
Bush:
Really?
Gonzo:
Really? That's not what this says:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles...
And that's in just five minutes on Google. Our Dem leadership sucks.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
After Ashcroft, Gone-zero and Mukasey you'd think it couldn't get any worse - but it has. Eric Holder is now just as guilty as his GOP-appointed predecessors were of maintaining the principle that those in power are above the law. As Glenn Greenwald pointed out a week or two ago, this is despicable because now both parties have agreed on it it becomes entrenched in the way things are done and the way they will be done going forward.
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
..Holder, Pelosi, Obama...all of them and all of us. Until they start the investigations, they are violating our laws. We are compelled to investigate the allegations of torture and prosecute if its been found we tortured. There is no shade of gray; its clearly spelled out in the law and in the agreements we've signed. Since they've admitted to torturing, gee, how much of an investigation does it have to be?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
you have to be under oath...but I could be mistook.
If you aren't under oath you are just a run of the mill regular lying son of a bitch. I think that's the way it goes.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
sums it up nicely PoP.
When the 911 wanted bush to come in what did they do. Sure,I wand "DICK by my side, no tapes, no vidio and WE will not be under oath. makes me sick how these fucktards have F-up our country and now collect a retirement, for life.
You're right that Bush wasn't - but Gonzo was under oath.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
Just throw us some red meat so we know that someone, anyone is serious about this.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6mEiJRiXqc
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
David Iglesias for special prosecutor. ;-)
I second that nomination!
of whitewash is holding up well.
Change that you can pretend in. (And I voted for him)
We'll just get more of this kind of people:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/weekinpictures/...
No one higher up.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It's a shame those few bad apples spoiled the honorable President Bush's image as a moral and just leader.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn9MGCtzddE
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Start with Bush and Cheney, how hard is that?
A fish rots from the head back.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
something about the eric holder-DOJ angle in investigating those that went beyond the bounds of what yoo and the other thuggies said was acceptable seems to be almost worse than doing nothing in regards to bringing our domestic terrorists to justice.
it tacitly supports the bush admin's views on what is and what is not torture.
but is itself a criminal act. if Holder doesn't prosecute all the way to the top to the full extent of our laws then Holder needs to go to prison. period. IT'S THE LAW!
An investigation, a few strongly worded letters and (sadly) no prosecutions.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
... does that mean I can carry a pound of marijuana in the trunk?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
If you did it yesterday it's probably okay. I wouldn't try it today though.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and please stop by mi casa for a spell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGPhpvqtOc
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
..
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
...the good old "unnamed sources" rhetoric gets published as fact! When so-called journalists use this tactic and actually get treated as though it's the weeks biggest story - even when it's not true - I suspect they will just continue to make things up.
I don't believe anything anymore about what the government is supposedly doing unless it comes from a "named source"!
-- George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force,
Sept. 14, 1775
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
surfjac
..fifty years! The point beyond punishing politicians who acted contrary to our laws would hopefully be to dissuade some future politician from persuing the same criminal activity. And it still galls me that these so-called Patriots have acted in such manner all the while receiving support from other so-called Patriots who refuse to see the laws of the land they love be enforced. Shameful!
I agree with that 100%.
But I wonder if Holder is so reluctant because they are all crooks and if they start with the biggest fish it won't be long before they we are going after the small fry also?
Look they all take bribes and we know that has been going on longer then I have been alive. But I think bribery has become the standard operating proceedure in our government today. As a matter of fact I think that 99% of all the people in the current congress and senate are only there for the money they can steal! Of corse the republicans are so greedy and narrow minded that they don't care about anything other then greed!
But republicanism is a mental illness!
I believe in heaven and hell and by my beliefs, I'll be able to meet a lot of you good people in heaven (as long as I keep my poop in a group) and none of us will have to deal with or see any of these asshat criminals.
Shit, THAT, in and of itself, is pretty close to heavenly!
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