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Keith's staff put together a montage of clips from Obama's speech mixed with the right wing freak out leading up to it.



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did obama end with god talk? to children? now that is creepy.

therefore, the wingnuts should wholeheartedly approve of that big of rubbish. certainly perpetuating the perversion of religion onto humanity is only achievable by brainwashing humans at a young and susceptible age.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/08/ky-foo...
this guy needs to find work elsewhere.

If find some amusement in these baptism freaks who somehow think there is a difference between baptism with a drop of water vs using a whole goddamned lake. It's almost as if they don't understand (or believe in) their own religion. To them, full body baptism is more permanent? Faster? More effective? Maybe the victim splashing in the water gets god's attention better.

maybe he could be a preacher.

Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. -Thomas Paine

It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes. -Thomas Paine

used car salesman?

letting this asswipe be the mofo who lives in a cardboard box and we get the cardboard box guy a real job?

comfortable with that idea.

OH get this...got into an argument with the new office lady about the HC bill, not ONLY does her mom work for Humana...but he b/f is a health insurance salesman...her argument, why she's against ANY reform, and doesn't want the uninsured to get help is because her mom MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT lose her pension.
And the more my father and I tried to talk reason to her, the louder her voice got...
Ladies and gents....we hired a teabagger.
Great.

You know, beck likes to talk about and quote the founding fathers. I think he has quoted Thomas Paine.

I think I'm going to start a list of these quotes, and when my anger with beck subsides in a week or two, I'll send him that list.

I like baptisms in lakes, when they're in movies like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_bhD0_Trw&fe...

"The preacher done washed away all my sins...."

I will have it my collection...as soon as I ain't poor no more.

I love that movie as well. I have few movies on DVD....this is one of them.

Care for a gopher?

I would, but I'm at work....and the Doc says I should cut down on my gopher intake.

)O(

First song I learned was Great Green Gobs of Greasy Grimy Gopher Guts

Acapello.

That's what they learned us in school.

my mawma HATED that song, lol!

"God Bless America" is creepy? Wow, you guys really take things way too far.

that the featured wingnut idiots were just graphically exposed.

They will not see it though, even if they were exposed to it ten times. They are just too dense and without a clue!

..but until their friends, relatives and colleagues ridicule them, they'll never change.

)O(

I heard something in passing this morning, whilst getting ready for work. One school district put President Obama's speech on their website, because they already had a boosh field trip planned, and they didn't want to disrupt their lessons schedule.

What could boosh teach their rugrats? That you can be a mediocre C student, get into an Ivy League college by virtue of your dad being an alumni, cushy assignments in the National Guard, and all the business you failed at financed by either his dad or his dad's rich friends?

shits will do the job.

)O(

And this is the RobertD show. Blah, blah, blah...I can say anything! See my lips move? They're disconnected from my brain! But I'm a bimbo (with absolutely NO creds to go with my opinions), and I have my own syndicated radio/TV/newspaper/comic strip spot, and, guess what? I THINK things! Really, I do! So I should be on Faux, too! I'll say anything to have you ask me back because there's a market for crazy.

Ain't capitalism (and ignorance) grand?

That'll be $25,000, please.

and racial hysteria, and you can put a couple more zeroes on that check!

Conservatives shouldn't worry, you need a brain in order to get brainwashed.

That was like watching real world with flashes of bizarro world ever couple of seconds. Can the right get any more stupid or have they now peaked out?

Yes.

and No.

What next? Will they say that Obama doesn't exist at all and he's just a mirage? I mean at some point even the most creative mind runs dry.

Give them a few minutes and they will get even more screwed up.

Only to be surprised again. Every time I see stupid it just amazes me. The pure simple minded willful ignorance on display for the whole world to see. I am so ashamed of 25% of our country I can barely contain myself when one of them steps up to a mic and slobbers and whines and in general make a complete ass out of themselves and cast a bad light on the country as a whole.
I wish there was something we could do to show the poor souls the error of their ways. But alas as Ron White says, You can't fix stupid!
republicanism is a mental illness!

Just keep in mind all those crazies in the video are getting big bucks to say that shit. They are the tormentors of that 25%. Talk about indoctrination, that's their job and that's why they know so much about it.

And none of it is even f*cking news. Just TV blather and idle conjecture from bitter wingnuts, most of them making big bucks to do it.

24 hour TV circus.

they're so quick to point the "indoctrination" finger at others. Takes one to know one.

with his eyes glazed over. He watched the speech in the school cafeteria.

Of course it could be the anti-biotic eye cream he is taking for the super glue that got accidentally flicked in his eye Sunday.

I think it was that Obama mind control and I am not budging an inch for my pre-set conclusion.

Did your son want to empty his piggie bank and give all the money to poor people? If not, then he's probably okay.

right or wrong, don't ever change your mind! ;)

The guy's son has super glue in his eye, you might have used a different word than "stick".

but what else would work though?
adhere?

That's your problem now and you're stuck with it. You have his son with glue in his eye and now his eye is "stuck" to a gun. Of course all of this is the fault of the president and his socialism speech yesterday. If Ricky had kept his son at home safe from the indoctinating president, he would be fine today.

lol!

broke his Air soft gun and they were trying to glue it back together using cosmetic fingernail glue.

It was fun to visit the ER with the mask clad kiddos of uninsured immigrants. Of course we have United Denial Health Care Unocverage ourselves.

In response to PoP, he came home wanting to give his money to the government and join Americorps. He has been dancing around in camo pants chanting he is going to be the next drummer for the Who thanks to Obama.

He might have over dosed on the president's words. Not every child can handle indoctrination as well as others.

Music has been shown to engage a substantially greater number of regions in the brain than mere speaking or writing.

Let him play!

Thank you, Mr. President, for giving this child a new path to firing up his thought processes!

You maybe want to write to Mr. Prez and give him due props for the input!

He wanted to be Keith Moon since 2006.

who credited the Prez.

Re: your son

"He has been dancing around in camo pants chanting he is going to be the next drummer for the Who THANKS TO OBAMA." (emphasis mine)

Anyway, hope he kicks ass and we all get to hear him play someday.

Credited? I can see nothing but casting of blame in my language, sir.

my mistake.

I gathered you actually supported your son's desire to aim high, shoot for the moon and go after something he wants with passion and gusto.

I guess it would have been better if the Prez told him to sit on his ass and wait for the gov'ment cheese.

Not that you or your son would do that, but that is the antithesis of his message, so I thought it apropo considering it is BLAME you assign to the message of ACTUALLY pulling oneself up by the bootstraps instead of BLAMING others for personal failure.

I still hope he kicks ass at something and we benefit as a society from his input.

"It'll take your eye out kid."

?

conglutinate?

)O(

Glutamates.

Friends who stick together.

association in the First Amendment. Or is it the First Appendment.

Ah jeez, don't you know anything? Freedom of word is in the First Apartment.

I thought it said I was free to wave my first appendage around...

become agglutinated in someones eye.

..for nothing left to lose!

As in: Stay glued to yer gun.

screwed and tattooed.

Tomorrow morning he'll probablly have a Hitler moustache under his glazed eye.

. . . people would have a little clear gauge on them for "credibility" - those with a lot would display a full gauge, those without would sport an empty vial. And anyone who ran around spouting this B******t about indoctrination and hypnotic programming would be able to watch their gauges visibly draining. Of course the Malkins, ingrahams, Becks and Savage-Wieners would have bone-dry gauges anyway. Seriously, since we don't live in a perfect world, what say we simply laugh and point at anyone stupid enough to rail against this dangerous exercise in influencing our kids on an indefinite basis, or remind them of these silly pronouncements indefinitely, especially the next time they come running, bleating or e-mailing doom from the rightwing? It may inspire some of them - perhaps only a few, but that's okay - to keep such hyperbole under their tinfoil hat.

..than just KO's audience from last night. Interesting that its not featured on his show's web re-broadcast. I thought it should be on everywhere, especially in florida, this morning.
Calling teh STOOPID, Stuuuuupid, I love it,.

By the way: I thought this was Garry Trudeau's best Doonesbury strip ever: http://www.arcamax.com/doonesbury/s-606346-67...
Calling BS, BS and Stupid, Stupid!

Rationalism. Hum....interesting concept.

)O(

Realty is a concept as well? I shall have to do further studies.

Excellent . . .

Great comic stip

)O(

I think Olbermann talks too fast for Repugnacans.

And he often uses words with more than two syllables. That's when it gets tricky for right wingers.

..oops, three syllables. A head is exploding somewhere in crazytown.

..bid for dinner with the former governor of Alaska?
I'd love to see the person who does, just get up in the middle of the meal and leave. You know, just like palin.

We are assuming she will show up for the dinner. Lately she's said she will attend functions and then she's a no-show. If she does show she will probably leave somewhere between the salad course and the main entree.

..if there's a free meal! OR, is this, the winner pays for the meal too, hmm? Smacks of conspiracy and redistribution of wealth!

free breadsticks are all gone.
Dine-N-dash Palin!

to bid is one of the safeguards she put in place to keep the trash outside the door.

Looks like Wacko ville struck out again, one thing though they have shown how they are lock step and anti free thinking again. They must use a lot of Hypno talk and mind control talk at their meetings. I also noted NO individuality are critical thinking, how do these yoyos get from work to home without killing themselves. How come they surrender POWER are they so weak kneed that they assume a possible enemy is SMARTER then them oops sorry even a village IDIOT is smarter then these WACKOS on the right.

On Monday Suzanne Malveaux was filling in for Wolfie. Holiday and all. So she has on (It think it was) Tony Blankley from the Moonie Times. He was saying that Obama's lesson plans that said that Obama wanted the kids to write him to tell Obama what they could do to help him. Then Malveaux showed a clip (I was not watching, I was listening on Sirius)of George H.W. Bush during his "chat" with the school kids asking the kids to write him and tell him how they could help him get is agenda through. Blankley was spell bound. It was the EXACT thing that Blankley was saying that Obama was trying to do. It was priceless.
About a 45 minutes later Malveaux interviewed that Greer freak and I was hoping she would show the clip again but she failed miserably when Greer was going on and on about the lesson plans. She should have shown that clip to shut the idiot's mouth. It was an epic fail on her part.
The point is that Bush #1 did the same thing that Obama wanted to do but the wingnut freaks thought it was too political.

Will be interesting to see those Right-wankers (Malkin and ilk) after that...and listen to 'how great and enlightening..and NON-political' Bush is....

gag

will be an entirely different reaction..you don't even hear any freaking out that he's going to be talking to students..hopefully, he won't be trying to read any books and not be paying attention to anything else...

This is off-topic but have you ever written about racism in graduate schools?

Macon D of stuffwhitepeopledo recently stated “whenever white people congregate these days, high concentrations of racial homogeneity are just pure coincidence.” …

I am a graduate student at a major biological “research institution” in New York City. You wouldn’t know this is a graduate/research program if you stumbled on campus. This exclusive, highly maintained campus feels more like Sandals resort with all of the young upper-middle class white or white male/asian female couples roaming around hand-in-hand during the evenings. Groups of white or white-and-asian students roam with tennis rackets on their way to the on-campus court. Or they congregate in packs at the on-campus student lounge with a personal bartender. Or the white and asian students have parties in the hotel-like student lounge of the dorms.

Most of the groups of people you see dotted around campus are all-white or white-and-asian. The campus is mostly white with a substantial number of asians but has a serious dearth of black or latino students–and I almost never see the other black students.

You wouldn’t believe the amounts of implicit racism I’ve experienced here. Twice while coming on campus I’ve been stopped in a hostile and condescending manner by newly-hired guards who, having seen my ID, told me that I am ‘ok’ since I was a groundskeepers or a day worker for the animal facility whose staff is mostly black and latino.

Coming to my dorm, almost every six months someone gives me a hostile look in the foyer as if I’m some intruder. When I attend lectures, I meet the same hostility until I ask a serious academic question of the lecturer.

When someone new comes to my lab, they’ll automatically either intentionally ignore me or attempt to condescend to me. Scientific sales reps will intentionally ignore me and proceed to the white guys who are also just students. Believe it or not, this one white girl who rotated in the lab would speak to me in a passive-aggressive/patronizing manner. And almost everyone in the lab, despite my being there for years and attempting to form working relationships with them, never come to me casually or attempt to have conversations (work or otherwise) with me unless I initiate the conversation and never at the casual or intelligent level they have with each other.

I noticed the other two black guys, who are accomodationists (and overrepresented with respect to the real dearth of black students on campus), also attempt to have conversations with the white people in the lab but they are always the ones to initiate the conversation.

After five years of being here, the only thing I’ve learned is that white and asian people are the only people competent enough to be scientists.

A maintenance staff guy wrote an article in the student rag praising the university’s president in light of the great hall of European philosophers like Kant and Hume and the great European scientific tradition. Additionally, the sense of ownership and privilege among other students is just incredible.

I’m beginning to think that biomedical science is almost a white supremist enterprise by default. Science is supposed to be a collaborative endeavor with a free collegial exchange of information and support, but when people are constantly patronizing or condescending to you, such is a psychological assault informing you that you are inconsequential, “tolerated” or unwelcomed. I read a report somewhere that around half of black graduate science students drop out of their programs. If they meet the same kinds of hostility or implied white supremacy I meet, small wonder.

I’ve especially felt a sort of patronizing attitude right off the bat from many of the white female students on campus. White women, with the help of affirmative action, have made great gains in both scientific student bodies and faculty, but you would still be wont to find black faculty and only a little more lucky in locating black students in scientific graduate programs across the country. That aside, most of my interactions with white females on campus has been unnecessarily hostile and patronizing.

There are two other black male students who happen to be in my lab; they’re very sycophantic towards the white male students, which surprised me. They’re always kissing up, laughing nervously, you know that trying to court your attention laugh, around these other white males who are just graduate students like them. They prick up their minds and attempt to engage the se white guys with crisp, intelligent conversation. They’ll go to the white guys equally whenever they have a problem as if they are the fount of knowledge, (I’ve never seen them approach any of the white girls or the Indian guy when they have problems, but they will approach them for prick-up-your-mind ‘casual’ conversation, more than they give me [or each other]). When explicitly in the company of the white guys (which never seems to be together with each other), they intentionally ignore me or will attempt to condescend to me. It’s irritating to watch white guys no better than the average black guy get their egos stroked day after day by white girls and sycophantic blacks while they also slap themselves on the back. It’s not like they’re especially brilliant or that this science is just so difficult that only superiorly intelligent white supremists like James Watson can do it.

I don’t even want to get into the student listserve conversation I had to observe in the wake of James Watson’s comments back in 2007. Some of them practically endorsed the man with statements like “science is about objective data, not political correctness” or “what does giving a writing prize for his autobiography have to do with him making statements that any old man would make”?

{ First of all, I'd like to welcome you to the site. Secondly, as a rule, when going off topic we require that you take it to an open thread. Open threads are scheduled daily. Again, welcome to the site. Site Monitor}

having never experienced the deep level of ostracizing you note here it would be hard for me to comment on anything resembling your experience.

You could, however, just say "Fuck it", become a kick ass scientist and leave the assholes in your dust.

Really, how many of them will you ever encounter or need in your life after you finish your studies and move past the mythology that is grad school and get on with your real life?

I was never "supposed" to go to college. So I got 3 degrees in spite of the perceptions of those around me and what they believed I was capable of. I hold no animosity. They just didn't know.

Not gonna spend my life being a color.

you sound damn angry and more than a little prejudiced toward the white guys in the lab - "They’ll go to the white guys equally whenever they have a problem as if they are the fount of knowledge"

You seem to care a great deal about who they look to for intellect. Look, you're in grad school. By your words - "at a major biological “research institution” in New York City."

You're obviously smart. Prove it to yourself and the folks that matter - the profs holding your credentials upon your completion.

The expectations you had about what grad school offered may not be living up to the hype. IMO - it is a short term bubble you have to live in to gain an end - the advanced degree that you signed up for. If you're looking for any other need to be met, you are in the wrong place.

Man

That's depressing. Really. I'd expect better of people on the science track. Whatever happened to that oh-so-vaunted "rationality" they're always on about?

Also, dude, ignore the patronizing commenter above. Everybody needs a place to vent, and you seem to have some pretty legitimate grievances. If you want to blow off steam, by all means, do so. It sounds like you need it.

Hope you find the fortitude to carry on despite the assholism displayed by your fellow students. Just keep your eye on the goal, think about guys like Neil DGT, and leave the pissy racists in the dust!

)O(

Instead of calling it the "Cheney International Center," perhaps they should call it the "International Dick Center."

)O(

Juding by the ad banner on top, ann can't even give it away.

Somewhere there's some man who'll take you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Cfh8ThiFg

I see all the children who were left behind
They all got jobs at FOX.

Did all these really ridiciously STUPID Right Wing Whores have lobotomies shortly after birth or just lately, so they can be like all the rest of the hate monguering, racist Reslugs? They are all so damn Bat-Shit crazy.

That's how you get bat shit rich. Just work for fox and say what seems to be the most idiotic things in the world.

saw someone (I think on Maddow) refer to Palin's pronouncements as 'Guano crazy'! Loved it.

It's obvious that Reslugs are scared and against any education for their children, so they just dumb them down with their lies, fears and terrorism.

Ok, I found the transcript of Suzanne Malveaux and Toney Blankley that I referred to above. Here it is and the part I was talking about is towards the bottom.
It goes like this:

MALVEAUX: Tony, let's take a listen actually to former president George H. W. Bush's speech to schoolchildren back in 1991.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE H. W. BUSH, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MALVEAUX: OK. So that essentially was the same thing that initially President Obama was asking for schoolchildren to do.

What is the difference now?

She should have asked that of the Greer freak.

beyond hypocrisy, beneath contempt.

It pained me to watch this. I saw it twice last night on KO's show; twice I got ill.

Just seeing the face of Beck or Malkin or Crowley or any of these asswipes makes me sick.

It's sort of like watching a horror movie isn't it? The monsters keep popping up and scaring the hell out of you.

It's worse than a horror movie....these people not only scare me; they make me sick!

Kinda like a political version of Saw.

in an era where so many of us feel handcuffed by the present day political and economic climate, where we may not recall a time when we actually had a hand in dealing our personal future, where we cannot see past the day to day struggle to identify the long term fruits of our labor, it was refreshing to at least hear the elected identity of the United States remind us to ask ourselves what can we do to make our tomorrow better?

lived and let lived? Before the Media decided divide and conquer would be the best way to serve Shareholders?

By adopting the Jerry Springer Model?

but those days are far gone.

Even if it is survival mode, it does all come down to what you are going to do for you. Any peripheral goodness happens only when we do something that engages us and moves us forward individually.

[Comment Deleted By Administration For Violation Of Terms Of Service]

that one.

is Mo Collins in disguise.

"Give them a few minutes and they will get even more screwed up."

Couldn't have said it any better !!!!! (But I don't think it will take them even a few 'minutes')!!!

It's the blonde leading the blind!

really this stupid? Or do they just play this stupid for a paycheck?

Jeebus gonna get them.

That's some incredible footage, it makes it clear how disgustingly unreliable and un-credible the corporate media in the United States is.

I'm offended that the Corporate Media treats the first year of Obama's presidency like it's still campaign season. Faux isn't the only one guilty of this, CNN and Msnbc do this. "The place for politics" msnbc's slogan should be eliminated, maybe it was appropriate last year, not now. It's time for Democrats to govern like they WON!

I do NOT understand how these cretins can get away with the outright disinformation they are so well known for, especially at the heightened levels they have brought it to since Obama SHAMED THEM with his wonderful leadership. The right-wing are acting like spoiled children who are now throwing an organized hissy-fit because they are getting SMOKED in the popularity polls. THe right-wing did such a dismal and pathetic job when they had a stranglehold on this nation via super-majority. Then along comes a BLACK MAN who possessed more intelligence on the tip of his fingernail than existed in the right-wing collectively, and they are MAD AS HELL. I fear their promotion of left-wing hatred is going to result in an assassination. If it does, all hell WILL break loose. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to curtail this runaway hatred machine we have on the right.

I've suggested before how we can get the hate mongers to shut up.
The genie's out of the bottle with these assholes.

Let's call them the lying liars they are. These corporate shills have played a key role in whipping the Angry Group into a furry. And, I think you are spot on about assassination. I cannot believe how ignorant, fearful, and hateful is the Angry Group. What sad, narrow lives they lead.

If this right-wing promotion of hatred of those in the left-wing continues, I would find it insanely ironic to imagine that the one super nuclear power in the world would end up using its arsenal against itself. Perhaps this is the ultimate goal of Al Queda?

They want to make sure them kids is larnin!

I'm ashamed of some idiots in this state.

every state has it's own portion of nutjob douchebags...
I'm from NC, livin FL...how do ya think I feel, lol!

Is Bush's speech going to be posted on the internet?

I doubt it.

it would be forgotten in 30 seconds.
People are tired of hearing the BS that he spews anyway.

)O(

I posted it from a different source on another thread.

If Monica Crowley used anymore hairspray in her bleached-out hair, the EPA would have to declare it a health hazard, and the fire department a fire hazard!

Ha!

I'll have to remember this one!

I've been reading the past couple of days that this likely will lead to overturning campaign finance reform. The five conservative leaning justices likely would vote to overturn it.

of our Democracy.
I can't believe this is happening.

Really?

.

Where have you been living the last thirty years?

Obama: Work hard, stay in school
OOOHHHHHH scarey, scarey stuff for the crazy lunatics and racists in the Right Wing-Nut terrorist party.

If the kids stay in school and study, they'll actually learn to think. The Repubs can't have that!

Not unless we totally revamp our system of education. Right now, public education is designed to churn out factory and service industry fodder, NOT children who can think for themselves. The few thinking children who survive the system are amazing, and proof that courageous humans CAN be intelligent.

BTW, my school district won't give me a full-time teaching position, because "I'm too intelligent to teach these kids." Furthermore, the district elected not to broadcast Obama's speech since the 'majority' of parents in our district were concerned about it (read: the board and other key people felt it would be better to bow to the Angry Group).

I am starting to wonder if a quick demise is my best option...

What's your point here? You think it would be better for kids not to go to school?

How about we fix our system of education so that we truly educate our youth?

How about we applaud intelligence and stop belittling those among us who are unusually gifted?

How about we start thinking in terms of positive options and outcomes?

PS

Did my flippant rebuttal get your wee briefs in a bunch?

I can assure you, that was not my intent.

If you have children, and you've had a good experience with their public education, you are quite lucky.

Today, I saw a teacher lose her temper and get physical and overtly angry with an emotionally disturbed child whose presenting symptom of his mental disorder is oppositional defiant behavior. Needless to say, her response escalated his defiance, and he threw a tantrum.

Furthermore, the teacher's aids with whom I've been working have told me that most of the substitute teachers they've had "just sit at the desk and do nothing."

Most administrators in this district are completely focused on standardized test results, since that determines whether they'll keep their jobs. Last testing period, students got a pass if they scored 53%! Most of my math students could not multiply or divide two and three digit numbers (even some of my Pre-AP students!), and they had no interest in math beyond 'passing' the TAKS.

Sadly the children often come in a distant third for quite a few 'educators.' Those of us who chose this profession specifically FOR our children's benefit struggle daily to model love, compassion, and an encouraging enthusiasm for formal education and exploring the world around us.

Ah, Monica Crowley. Another uber-thin blondie with those spaced-out eyes. Conservatives love that shit.

)O(

a single one of these Republican bimbos that is actually attractive. Paranoia, hate and hysteria aren't conducive, really.

I think Malkin has cornered the market on spaced-out eyes, mostly because they front a vacuous skull.

None of these RAY-publicans believe what they say
which is why they are so well paid, once they sign
the non-disclosure clause and get that first million
they are forced to keep shoveling. Many of their
listeners don't believe this stuff but it makes them
feel like they are a part of something bigger than
themselves if they all lie for the lesser good.
I would like to see Beck give an interview on
his deathbed...I got this reinfected cyst on
my ass and it spread to my brain b/c I spent
my life as a Ray-publican liar-4-hire.

Don't ever change. EVER.

to do their best! Impeach him NOW!!!

Personally, I can think of nothing more Maoist/Dear Leaderish than the Pledge of Allegiance. to a flag? are you kidding me? under God?

Get the fuck out.

In the past three years I've spent in various classrooms from first grade through twelfth, I've not seen a single student accurately or sincerely recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

And, our 'sacred' moment of silence? Most students use that time to pass notes or squirrel around in their binders.

My mentor teacher told me to 'leave well enough alone' and 'choose my battles wisely,' rather than encourage students to participate in these rituals. Since I have pretty much the same interpretation of the Pledge as do you (just another way to proselytize...), I chose not to force my students to conform, although we did have a round robin to discuss the reasons for the ritual and how they felt about it.

I saw this news item after President's health care speech was over and interestingly, the school-children were more respectful of the President than the Rep from SC, Joe Wilson, who shouted "Lier" during the speech.
It makes me wonder, who is more mature - schoolchildren or some of our Republican politicians?

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