Countdown: James Risen--The Eavesdropping Continues

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From Countdown, James Risen on the NSA's domestic surveillance program which has been found to have accessed the personal emails of former President Bill Clinton, along with millions of other Americans' mails and phone calls.

Keith asks just what Congressional oversight is in place to prevent this and whether the Obama administration has actually put some oversight in place to end the over-collection of data that occurred under the Bush administration. Risen notes Eric Holder's unwillingness to say the program is illegal during Congressional hearings, which means we aren't going to see anyone prosecuted for spying on every American illegally any time soon. Of course with so much of this being classified we're going to be lucky to ever find out just what the NSA has been doing. I'm inclined to assume the worst since these people have given me no reason not to.

When or how we ever get Big Brother out of our lives is a question yet to be answered. If spying on a former President and a former member of the House Intelligence Committee isn't enough to raise some concerns from our political elite and put a stop to some of this, I'm not sure what is.

For more on this you can read Risen's article at the New York Times: E-Mail Surveillance Renews Concerns in Congress. From the article:

The National Security Agency is facing renewed scrutiny over the extent of its domestic surveillance program, with critics in Congress saying its recent intercepts of the private telephone calls and e-mail messages of Americans are broader than previously acknowledged, current and former officials said.

The agency’s monitoring of domestic e-mail messages, in particular, has posed longstanding legal and logistical difficulties, the officials said.

Since April, when it was disclosed that the intercepts of some private communications of Americans went beyond legal limits in late 2008 and early 2009, several Congressional committees have been investigating. Those inquiries have led to concerns in Congress about the agency’s ability to collect and read domestic e-mail messages of Americans on a widespread basis, officials said. Supporting that conclusion is the account of a former N.S.A. analyst who, in a series of interviews, described being trained in 2005 for a program in which the agency routinely examined large volumes of Americans’ e-mail messages without court warrants. Two intelligence officials confirmed that the program was still in operation.

Both the former analyst’s account and the rising concern among some members of Congress about the N.S.A.’s recent operation are raising fresh questions about the spy agency.

Representative Rush Holt, Democrat of New Jersey and chairman of the House Select Intelligence Oversight Panel, has been investigating the incidents and said he had become increasingly troubled by the agency’s handling of domestic communications.

In an interview, Mr. Holt disputed assertions by Justice Department and national security officials that the overcollection was inadvertent.

“Some actions are so flagrant that they can’t be accidental,” Mr. Holt said.

Other Congressional officials raised similar concerns but would not agree to be quoted for the record.

Mr. Holt added that few lawmakers could challenge the agency’s statements because so few understood the technical complexities of its surveillance operations. “The people making the policy,” he said, “don’t understand the technicalities.”

The inquiries and analyst’s account underscore how e-mail messages, more so than telephone calls, have proved to be a particularly vexing problem for the agency because of technological difficulties in distinguishing between e-mail messages by foreigners and by Americans. A new law enacted by Congress last year gave the N.S.A. greater legal leeway to collect the private communications of Americans so long as it was done only as the incidental byproduct of investigating individuals “reasonably believed” to be overseas.

But after closed-door hearings by three Congressional panels, some lawmakers are asking what the tolerable limits are for such incidental collection and whether the privacy of Americans is being adequately protected.

“For the Hill, the issue is a sense of scale, about how much domestic e-mail collection is acceptable,” a former intelligence official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because N.S.A. operations are classified. “It’s a question of how many mistakes they can allow.”



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don't kid yourself.

Even right here.

Hi! Lovely Day isn't it?

Never thought otherwise.

Watch how this all becomes "evil" Obama's doing; spying on Americans.

In fact, it seems that the things that get almost unanimous support in both houses, are basically things that affect negatively to most of the population.

Ain't that a bitch?

Fuck the NSA and the horse they rode in on!

... and will never stop. It's like a runaway train.

I fear for your country. I really do.

What does it take to get into Canada and stay there, become a citizen?

"Congressional Oversight"

The Neo-Con/Neo-Liberal Duality gives way to Neo-Feudalism.

"Anyone can Publish" . . Howdy Gates

Glenn Greenwald

The Illegal Spying Game, played over and over

here

..."way back when" he was a senator.

...he also voted to re-authorise the patriot act.

...what more does anyone need to know, to figure out that Obama and Eric Holder will remain as quiet as possible about this subject.

spectrum. Of course he gave them immunity. AT&T spent $2 Billion for their license. They can fry our brains through wireless devices now if they wish at this point to their hearts content.

I didn't like seeing that right after the FISA vote, that the telecoms foot the bill for the Democratic Convention.

These guys are down with the program.

and being stupid you won't get hassled.

What a threat huh?

I'm sure most of my e-mails are dead boring, still... (what if I do decide I want to take down Western civilization one day???)

..Western civilization is doing a good enough job of it all by itself. All that remains is to buckle you seat belts and hang on for a bumpy ride.

they can only get away with it for as long as you let them!
isn't anybody learning anything from watching the demonstrations in iran?
they care more about democracy than most americans

The Iranians are marching for their candidate.

The majority of Americans think their guy, the one that was elected, is ok.

He is the one that voted for the FISA/Telecom Immunity travesty.

That is when I got off his bus.

"We've got to get him elected first before he can change anything," I said. "Give him a chance." I worked for him. Made phone calls. Knocked on people's doors in the dark, in downpours. I convinced my Republican grandmother to vote for him. She's probably happy now that she did.

Alice, you were right. I was wrong. I'm so sorry Obama has turned out to be something other than who I'd hoped.

...a lot more respect from me.

)O(

...the human circulatory system silly!

...its about tapping into the human communication system!

...although that "wooden stake" might be worth trying...

)O(

Where ya think Sangria got it's name from?

That's just for show.

When the Congress overwhelmingly voted for the FISA Amendment of 2008 (including then-Senator Obama) not only did they give retroactive immunity to lawbreakers but they EXPANDED surveillance powers of these entities.

So what did you expect? They wouldn't take advantage of it??

Like the tortu--er..."enhanced interrogation" policy, I'm sure it's much, much worse than any of us can realize. And there ain't nothin' we can do about it - that's how the country crumbles.

I would have voted for the crazy old man mcinsane!
republicanism is a mental illness!

... the face that passes for liberalism in this country is a toss up between Terry Schaivo and Sub-Zero of Mortal Kombat. Either no brain stem or spineless! The farce that has become liberalism and the Democratic Party in this country is as dead lost as conservatism and the GOP is dead wrong.

Regarding Atty. Gen. Holder's refusal to deem domestic wiretaps illegal: "It represented a change from the Obama campaign's position on this."

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. What an abject disappointment.

" the over-collection of data that occurred under the Bush administration". Yeah, that's it, the over-collection of data. The Stazi would love the spin.

the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. 4th amendment to the u.s. constitution

i don't care what bills congress passes or what memos the president's henchmen write, the indiscriminate collection of citizens' information is unconstitutional

i'm getting real tired of keeping up my end of the bargain, paying my taxes and following the rules, while my government continually violates my rights, not to mention spends my taxes on killing and maiming innocents around the world

what happens when the majority of the Extreme Court holds the constitution in contempt.

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Privacy will be debated to its eventual total death; it will not be protected.

The reason we had two different members of the caucasian Wright family running for the same Presidency is simple: that organized crime family has preyed on American privacy ever since Orville and Wilbur stole the airplane plans off that Alabama doctor's desk.

This organized crime racket deals in intellectual property, and they wiretap for cartoon ideas, which they sell to syndicate members in Gwinnett Co GA, Palm Beach, and other areas. They raid unpublished authors for publishable material, backyard inventors for ideas, and have corrupt police officers who burglarize for electronics, jewelry, and dope.

This bunch depends upon invasions of privacy for a very good living. I have no attitude about Obama's father, who spends his time praying 5 times a day and trying to eke out a living. His mother's crooked relatives are a clear and present danger to American liberty. I haven't told a tenth of what I know about the gang.

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