Chris Wallace Plays the "We Haven't Been Attacked Since 9-11" Card While Defending Torture
Juan Williams while making some very good arguments about why we should not be torturing anyone gets punked by Chris Wallace at the commercial break and plays the "we haven't been attacked since 9-11" card. I guess those anthrax attacks don't count, huh Chris?
Williams: But let me just if I could say quickly, two quick things. One is, in a democracy you don't torture people. It's against the law. We're having this discussion here like oh well, you know if it works, it's okay. No. It's not okay. You don't torture people.
And the second thing is, did it make America safer? No, in fact it led to our reputation in the world being diminished, and people not sending forces to fight with us in Iraq and else where. That doesn't help America.
Wallace: Alright. We have to take a break here, but I just want to point out to the audience that it is purely coincidental that this country has not been attacked again since 9-11.
h/t Think Progress
John Amato:
Here we go. Cheney's new BFF, Chris Wallace does what a good doggie always does for his master. I wrote this yesterday to Cheney, but it applies to the Village apologists as well.
You see, 9/11 doesn't count. Cheney and his ilk make it sound as if America was being attacked every week after 9/11 and once he started torturing they all magically stopped. Why was the US safe from 1993-2001, without using torture or the Patriot act? And the Trade Center bombers were all caught and brought to justice, but using Cheney's method Bin Laden is still free.
Mohammed told America that any plot after 9/11 would be virtually impossible anyway without the medieval methods Cheney adapted.:
Mohammed told interrogators that after the Sept. 11 attacks, his "overriding priority" was to strike the United States, but that he "realized that a follow-on attack would be difficult because of security measures." Most of the plots, as a result, were "opportunistic and limited," according to the summary.
Dick Cheney should never be believed, ever. That's why he goes on FOX every chance he gets.
Notice he slides in that comment before the break. Anyone with half a brain (which obviously excludes the Faux News dittoheads) can see that his suggestion isn't even logical.
Is he saying that the torture of prisoners represents the sum total of government action since 9-11?
I thought the Iraq war was the reason we have not been attacked since 9-11 (remember fight them there so we won't have to fight them here)?
what the doggy biscuits Cheney tosses Wallace taste like? I suppose he does this during commercials. Arf! Arf!
No wonder Repugs hate & fear wolves, since they (R's) are a pack of yapper-dogs who'll bite you while humping your leg at the same time. Ick.
First of all yes the Republiklan party says that to attempt to obfuscate that the attacks happened under Bu$h's watch and that the Bu$h Cheney administration did not keep us safe.
Secondly the Bu$h administration provoked these attacks because the Bu$h administration had attempted to force the Taliban in secret oil pipeline negotiations from 2-2001 to 7-2001 to allow the US to build oil and gas pipelines across Afghanistan. The Taliban refused and so again in secret the Bu$h administration made it clear that they would invade Afghanistan. The Taliban did not wait for this invasion and got their guests, Al Qaeda to strike us first. So thousands of people died for oil profits.
Thirdly the Bu$h administration did not keep us safe after the 9-11 attacks. The conservative Republican antiabortion anthrax killer who sent anthrax to only Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy and other citizens in the East coast killed and injured people and Bu$h says that no attacks happened after 9-11? Their own Republican party member went on the attack until years later before getting discovered killed himself before exposed by the FBI as an antiabortion proponent.
Yes, a Republican appeared the Anthrax killer.
A Republican also bombed the Oklahoma government building.
See a pattern here? Antigovernment Republicans kill people.
We get the killer of Tiller this year. Yes another Republican.
We get boorish, loud, nasty people to obstruct town halls for health care. Some guntoting too.
When will the Republican madness stop?
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Bush and Cheney's were ATTACK on their administration and it was 911..
No other Administration was attack and especially after being informed about The coming event and brush it off as Bush did..
We should never the crimes of Bush's administration be brush aside as if it was no criminal..
If they are not prosecuted ,,, what good are all constitution , laws and word...
The only persons in this country which are prosecuted for crimes are the Little people..
Just think if a person smokes a joint , cashes a bad check , for a traffic ticket , etc gets fined and locked up.
But when the President and his mob commits:
treason / torture ,
crimes against our constitution / bill of rights ,
illegally invades another country sovereignty and mass murder their citizens and especially is responsible for the deaths wounding /killing of our soldiers for their thirst for Oil and revenge..
outsources our manufacturing plants / jobs / intelligent & military security to foreign countries..
Privatizes our military and turns it over to a mercenary army bound by no laws and conduct...
Even Obama , the Senate and the House of representatives does not even turn their head to take action to prosecute these crimes , then we have no laws , democracy , bill of rights and are dome as a country.
Why does Obama and the democrats let Bush and his group of criminals OFF by censoring the information about their crimes and "illegally" stopping an investigation and prosecution of their crimes...
None
That's what they think is 'patriotism' .................covering the collective asses hung out to dry by their own lies, pillaging, theft, corruption. This is also the agenda of the DLC, and Zionist Rahmie, transplanted PUKIES taking over the Democratic party brand, so they can emerge squeeky clean. O-bought-ma is as guilty of all that BUSH/CHENEY DID when he covers their asses. This stradedgy of ass-covering is another traitorous betrayal of the PEOPLE of USofBLOODYISRAEL, who, to these Fascists are no better than dirt.
but nobody ever got ahold of 3 commercial jets and crashed them into buildings.
where do these draft dodging fuckwads get off by propping up thier biggest failure as their biggest success?
The biggest terrorist attack in the history of the US occurred on Bush's watch and they managed to spin it as a positive thing because nobody successfully attacked us again. I don't think that even George Orwell would have thought that something like that could have been pulled off.
Obama , your representatives and ""demand action and prosecution"" of the persons which has committed these crimes..
Do not let Obama , the democrats and Holder stop these criminal crimes to our country and the world..
Why do we have laws and a democracy if we let a group of criminals run our country and turn our country into a dictatorship.
Obama or any elected official does not have the right to let Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld and the other criminals off the hook... This makes them criminals two..
If you drive the get a way car for people committing murder and robbery then by law you are just as guilty.
And they have taken an oath to uphold and protect our laws and constitution..
None
It's a shame that, while his dad was such a hard-hitting and sometimes abrasive interviewer, his son is just a lackey, and a right-winger ass-kisser.
This criminal takeover of our democracy and laws shows no bounds...
We should be concern and wondering just how far this coup of our government has become.
Do we really see any signs by our supposedly representatives in protecting our democracy , laws and passing legislation For , By and Of the people of this country.
Attorney general Mukasey even told us:::
All crimes are not crimes to be prosecuted...
None
Pete, the take over of the USofBLOODYISRAEL is now complete with Black-faced Bush/BidenZionist, so, my advise is get out!!!
Blows the Cheney talking points out of the water.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2737
it's worse if you don't even buy the official story...
That is if we don't count the anthrax attacks, and every attack on American soldiers on foreign soil . .
So reality says . . . no
We've been attacked and we've lost thousands
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
He means rich, white, fat, baldheaded corporate pasty-faces here on American soil. Nobody else matters.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Oh, I get it the 108 homicides, while under questioning, weren't really homicides but rather human sacrifices to the god of attacks to protect OUR country from invading hordes, To curry further favor from the attack god we became the invading whores or something like that.
Do we still make regular sacrifices ?
Why is Cheney talking of another attack on our country.
Bush and Cheney has turn the whole world into hating our guts. And the total killing , destruction and thief in the middle east has multiplied the terrorist 100 or more times which hate Americans..
How can any civil individual censor and protect these criminal acts from the previous administration...
WHO IS OBAMA and have we really been electing democrats on our democratic ticket ,,, with the same values of our citizens and the belief of protecting and upholding our constitution and laws.
Just "who" are these people whom are suppose to be representing us and our laws!!!!!
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They're FASCIST Traitors to the US.
so, chris wallace openly admits that the american govt uses torture as policy to protect america from terrorists.
thank you chris, i knew you could tell the truth (however much you try not to). if the torture investigations ever actually get underway i hope that you will be as willing to cheerlead the american torture-policy.
A fact Cheney alludes to with the word "since" but never says. That's because Bush-Cheney ignored warnings that bin Laden was determined to attack. And Cheney did NOTHING. He also ignores the anthrax attacks, which also killed or threatened people, usually people who either did stories critical of Bush-Cheney (the National Inquirer) or political opponents (like Tom Daschle). No, Cheney never says these things or goes on outlets other than Faux because he knows non-Faux outlets would question the veracity of his statement, as well they should! Chris Wallace is nothing more than a bought and paid shill for the former administration that is hungering to get back in control.
..question cheeney's veracity? I'm not not with the way they've been acting of late.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Remember the old meme of the bush years, 9-11 changed everything. It sure did. It gave SOBs like cheney the excuse to do things to human beings this country would have never dreamed of doing before. It caused us to lower ourselves to the enemy's level.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
to be brutally honest we were involved in torture pre-bush. it was a more sanitized version, no doubt, with extraordinary renditions, but we lowered ourselves a long time ago.
I'm not one to turn away from all the wrongs our country has caused in the world (I prefer to confront them), but the previous 8 years were a true turn toward something much darker and unbridled than EVER before. The Bush Admin openly turned their backs on international treaties and held 100s of foreign captives indefinitely without trial or representation.
Just because we have a checkered past doesn't mean we can't call this what it is: Immoral and Illegal.
did i say that it wasn't immoral and illegal?
and, i agree, we did turn to something "something much darker and unbridled." but, to discount extraordinary rendition, is not helpful.
solely regarding torture, the big change between bush and clinton was that bush was willing to let americans do the torturing in american facilities--instead of paying it to be outsourced to egypt, or syria, etc. both are illegal, and should be stopped and not whitewashed.
This is even more proof of Cheney's TREASON; since he took an oath to uphold the Constitution which guaranteed Habeus Corpus protection, he obviously violated his oath of office, which is treason.
And class, what do we do with a traitor???
WE HANG THEM!!!!!
Naomi Klein tells the story in Disaster Capitolism. This was the take over. We are like the indigenous people of Guatamala who are renters on their own land.
...pay close attention here, because this is not just a chance event!!!
I've been forced to watch a lot of FOX "news" while my mother-in-law was in town (I love her, but Jebus she is going bat-sh*t crazy watching FOX), and this tactic happens all day long. They have on "liberals" to afford a sense of 'fairness,' but it's always four or five against one. When the liberal makes a good point, it is quickly swept under the carpet with petty responses and quick topic changes. But by any means, the viewer is left completely unchallenged: the conservative world view is untarnished.
Torture is immoral, you say? But if that's true, then why did it work?
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Actually, the terrorists were afraid that the Bush Administration would subject them to the same treatment as the citizens of NOLA after Katrina struck. It now becomes apparent why Bush said "Your doing a heck of a job, Brownie."
there hasn't been a single invasion by extra-terrestrial hordes either. Seriously these people have a very strange disconnect. They behave like primitives making human sacrifices to appease angry gods. As long as the sacrifices are made the gods will be merciful.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
How else do you explain the recent town hall meetings then?
Food for thought.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
we're under attack.
me-oww!
...but we were attacked. Doesn't anyone remember the Anthrax attacks? That was after 9/11.
we haven't been attacked by any furiners.
Yeah the anthrax attacks happened shortly after 9/11... bad argument for many reasons. Use something else to argue your point
Now wonder he works for cluster-fox..nobody that even comes to the same state as a news organization would come close to this guy...He's like the Dr. Phil for fox...WHAT A HACK!
AND, a smoldering pile of old bird droppings....It amazes me that ANYONE from fox can actually believe any of the swill that comes out of their collective mouths! Amazing...
Wallace's statement follows the assumption that someone was actually intending to attack the United States again after 9/11 and that they were thwarted each and every time. How can anyone make such a statement? To make such a statement you would have almost have to be part of the "terrorist" planning process in the first place to gain that knowledge which would make the use of torture irrelevant.
To prove this further that no further attacks may have been needed all one has to do is look at Bin Laden's statements. He said that all they would have to do is plant the flag of "Al Qaeda" somewhere and the American generals will come. Then, they will bleed the U.S. just like they did the Soviet Union. The Bush Administration feel for the provocation and Wallace, once again has proven that he is unwise, ignorant of military strategy, and a fool.
Also, most Americans have a very distorted view of what Al Queda was and is. They view it as some sort of huge, well funded coordinated evil army like Smersh or Kaos. In reality as books like The Looking Tower and Triple Cross point out Al Queda and bin Laden were the gang that couldn't shoot straight before 9/11. Their participation in the war against the Soviets was a joke. They couldn't even coordinate a mass suicide raid succesfully. 9/11 was due to Cheney's incredible ineptness (and possible complicity) not their power.
Don't you guys remember those evil villains who were planning to attack the Sears Tower in Chicago? No telling what kind of havoc they might've wreaked had Darth et al not stopped them. They even had photographs and shopping lists, for gawdssake!!
..but who did they torture to get the information on those dumb bastards who were making those plans? That's the issue here. Or, instead of torture to find out who they were, was it real and true investigation that nailed those guys or was it just a case of dumb luck? I'll look it up later.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Wallace: "I just want to point out to the audience that it is purely coincidental that this country has not been attacked again since 9-11."
...not attacked by jets flying into buildings, but attacked by batshit crazy right wing fanatics daily! Fucking terrorists, all of them!
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln
See, everything has been just wonderful since 9-11.
And tax cuts for the top 5% really does help everyone. Look at our wonderful economy Bush and the republicans gave us.
"For those of you who are mentally challenged in the critical thinking department, I will be back tomorrow to repeat these same truth's."
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/08/31/...
So prissy Chrissy, do you actually believe that by torturing a few prisoners that the Bushies kept us safe here at home? Is that the Faux official position.
The greatest financial terrorist attack in our history came after Phil Gramm pushed through the Gramm-Leach-Blily Act that repealed portions of the Glass Steagel financial regulations act. We may never recover our prestigious position in the world thanks to Gramm and all of his Repug accomplices.
'Talk to the hand'
Why wasn't someone tortured to determine who wired the showers that killed our soldiers? Maybe the torture of people just didn't or couldn't have helped those brave souls.
Sorry, I mean no disrespect but John A is absolutely right about the impression is being given that we were attacked every week before 9/11 and it magically stopped when we started torturing. I'm sorry, the logic does not compute!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
You want logic? You can't handle logic!
Snark.
I hang my head in shame...snark
'Talk to the hand'
There was a 8 1/2 year gap between the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 until the attack on 9/11 in 2001. A similar attack to 9/11 would take as long or longer to plan and implement so Cheney's boast of keeping us safe is a joke. The only action that Bush/Cheney made to keep our country safe was to leave office.
And there was no attack by Al Qaeda on American shores for the eight years before 9-11 either.
Seems like Clenis deserves more credit than boosh.
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Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad.
Homer: Why thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
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Exactly. I hadn't heard that variant of this fallacious reasoning. The version I heard was that of the elephant whistle that keeps elephants off your lawn. Obviously, this is specious reasoning. I could just as well say that the whistle keeps pink unicorns off my lawn too.
The point is: Cheney can't claim that the torturing of people kept the country from being attacked without proof. The proof doesn't come in the fact that the country wasn't attacked. The proof comes from showing a case, or cases, where the torture provided intelligence which directly lead to the disruption of a planned attack. And Cheney can't do that, now can he.
And all of this is a moot point anyhow. The US Constitution clearly states that all treaties entered into by the USA are the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. That is not something he can simply ignore.
Actually the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, however, the Supreme Court is given charge to enforce treaties.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
You should check what I say before attempting to correct me:
The Supremacy Clause is a clause in the United States Constitution, article VI, paragraph 2.
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
I've read the PNAC document several times. No one can convince me that Cheney and the rest of the signers of that document didn't have something to do with 911 in making it happen.
worthy of a republican. The PNAC wanted us to be attacked therefore since we were attacked the PNAC sponsored it. I agree its possible that Cheney had something to do with it but you need to do more than provide evidence that he wanted it to happen. And so far the evidence I've seen doesn't convince me. Its much more believable that they were criminally incompetent and negligent (they spent their time before 9/11 trying to justify things like missile defense).
I actually think the evidence is much more compelling that the Anthrax attack was an inside job. The strain came from a government lab, the people attacked were democrats and news organizations, and the attack came just at a time when the very people attacked were holding up anti-terrorist legislation. And the "suicide" of the lone virus-man has more holes than swiss cheese.
Mike Wallace must be so ashamed of his son, the republiclan apologist...
We haven't been attacked by extraterrestrials for at least 15 years. It was because during that time I chanted naked and rubbed the belly of my Fred Flintstone figurine. You all ought to thank me for keeping us all safe from extraterrestrial invasions. What? A coincidence? Silly you!
Thanks!
Very thoughtful...
Here's some for thought...
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009...
that it is purely coincidental that this country was not attacked again between February 26, 1993 and September 11, 2001 while Bill Clinton was President. And that was done w/o torture, unnecessary war, illegal wiretaps or extraordinary rendition. And it was done while the Republican'ts were all in a twitter about blow jobs.
we were not attacked since 2 26 93, while he was president.
That's like saying other than Chappaquidick, Ted Kennedy was an excellent driver!
Republicans, when they are in a losing argument (when aren't they?) always want to "put that behind us". Yet after every Republican sex scandal, they want to bring up Monica Lewinsky. It only takes, on average, about 2 minutes in a debate with a conservative (often less) before Ted Kennedy & Mary Jo comes up AND THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO!
Yeah, the Republican response to their incompetence on 9/11 was MORE incompetence! They invaded an entirely uninvolved country, leading to the deaths of yet another 4,000+ Americans. Congratulations President Cheney and your sock-puppet George Bush, you have successfully caused more American deaths than Osama bin Laden!
We haven't been attacked again because they didn't have to.
With 9/11 every thing that UBL wanted had been accomplished. He knew that to cripple the USA we would have to be demolished economically. bushco totally played into his hands. The stupid 'homeland security' messures, removing shoes, starting a war in Iraq and totally getting bogged down in Afghanistan. We wouldn't have this lame debate about health care without the two vampiric wars that are bleeding this country dry.
would be about the same no matter what. The right never wants to spend money on things that benefit the majority of our citizens. No matter whether there was still a surplus of a massive deficit there still wouldn't be enough money, just as there is always enough money to justify more war.
The U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, and Bush quietly closed down the last U.S. Airbase in Saudi Arabia in 2003. The pussy that he is.
DO NOT TRUST THE SAUDIS.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030915/po...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/countr...
Bush closed the base in Saudi Arabia. If only we could close every base that is overseas. We seem to take it for granted that the US has to be the world police. Before WWII I don't think we had a single base in a foreign country and after we created them as a defense against the Soviets. I've never heard anyone offer a rational explanation for why we still need them.
Stop the commenting you ass, we don't care what you think. "Fair and balanced" - is there anyone who believes that?
is because in 2002 Joe Biden was re-elected as Senator for the state of Delaware. We have not had a 9-11 type attack since that day. Proof positive!
................cry, if he knew what a pussy you are!!!
By this idiot's logic the fact that we haven't been attacked since 1/20/2009 means that NOT torturing also works since we haven't been attacked by foreign terrorists since Obama has been in office.
Domestic ones on the other hand, have been coming out of the wood work and I don't see anyone torturing them. Hell that asshat that murdered Dr. Tiller is considering a 'justifiable homicide' defense and in some circles he's considered a hero.
He's already bragged that he knows that more domestic terrorism is coming and refuses to tell the nation about it... So if waterboarding and other forms of torture 'save lives' then why is that' asshole strung up by his balls with electrical wire with a flashlight up his backside?
What really chaps my ass about this is that the people who actually DO interrogations all say that this shit doesn't work. Yet because of Fox we're only hearing the opinions of people like Dick Cheney, who is doing nothing more than saving his own ass. Cheney never interrogated anyone. He never once served. He's only sent other people off to die. Not to mention the fact that he LIED to get us into war in the first place.
So who the hell is he that we should be listening to him?
Has Mike ever said anything about his piss-ant miscreant of an offspring? Because I can't imagine he's a proud daddy.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I have a whistle I blow every morning to keep elephants off my Indiana lawn, too.
It appears to work pretty well against unicorns too.
Now I want to know, since Obama promised "change", whether the despicable "patriot act" and the just-as-despicable "military commissions act" have been revoked? Huh? Are our private telephone conversations and e-mails still tapped? WHAT HAS CHANGED???
but I live in the real world. If you are seriously trying to say that NOTHING has changed between Bush (and what would have been Bush II with McCain) and Obama then I don't think I can have a serious discussion with you. If you are saying that Obama is not the perfect candidate that someone on the left would want, well,... duh. To be honest I'm surprised that Obama has turned out to be as far to the left as he has. I expected him to pull a Clinton and totally sell out once he got in office, which still would have been a million times better than McCain. He hasn't done that. Which doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see the Patriot act reversed, have us immediately pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and convert 9/10 of the military budget to addressing the deficit and social programs. Change takes time and effort and railing about how "nothing has changed" under Obama doesn't seem very productive as far as I can see.
I am not saying NOTHING has changed, but the things that really pissed a lot of people off during Bush's era, spying on US citizens, etc., including the abuses fostered by the two acts I mentioned, have not apparently even been addressed. It seems at times like we have just gotten so used to these abuses that we shrug our shoulders and forget about them. It wouldn't be any huge deal to repeal these acts, but it isn't even being SUGGESTED!
I want all those things to change too. The one thing I don't agree with is "it wouldn't be any huge deal to repeal these acts" It would be a huge deal. A very huge deal. The media would go insane "wondering" if Obama was leaving the country vulnerable. The Blue Dogs would be apoplectic and would put as much distance between themselves and Obama as possible. It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them would even switch back to the Rethugs. FOX noise would run specials on all the deadly terrorists just salivating at the chance that our Muslim president has opened up for them. To me its a question of strategy vs. tactics. From a strategic view Obama is far from my ideal president. From a tactical view, given where this country is now with all the lying aholes in charge of the media I think he is about as good as we could hope for. I think a better tactic is to support him and show him that he can gain a second term by tacking further to the left.
It has always struck me as interesting that on Sept 7, 2001, Jebby Bush (a PNACer signatory) put out an Executive Order, and in Number 3 in the list, he had that the National Guard could be called out in case of civil disturbance (for what) or terrorism. Now I for sure have always thought that it was already in any State's Charter that the National Guard could be brought up in case of flood/storm/civil disturbance...but I have never seen 'terrorism' mentioned. But I could not bring up a Florida State Charter to see if that was already in it. So if it were, WHY would he need an 'Executive Order' to bring it up. I thought the date of such EO was interesting too.
Is that these imbeciles say such stupid thing without blushing or showing embarressment like they were saying something factual.
I am so ashamed of what the American people will accept as news.
I mean it is shameful that these people are allowed to just tell lies without correction.
If I were his daddy I think I would kick his lying ass!
republicanism is a mental illness!
That was probably the most succinct, smart response I've seen to Fox insanity.
I think what Wallace (and most of America) is missing is one simple fact: TERRORISM DIDN'T START WITH 9/11.
Bloody hell, do they even remember the IRA or Lockerbie or the marine base in Saudi Arabia?
And what about 7/7 and Mumbai and Bali and all the other terrorist attacks SINCE 9/11? Are the CIA only concerned with stopping U.S. attacks? Did they glean torture information that could've prevented the other attacks and just ignore it?
The other thing they so easily forget is, the U.S. has been hit with some huge-casualty terrorist attacks that somehow don't count: The Virginia Tech massacre of 30+ students. The spate of right-wing shooters who've killed people in churches and malls and abortion clinics. Do these not count as attacks on American soil, simply because the CIA didn't prevent them?
"Do these not count as attacks on American soil, simply because the CIA didn't prevent them?" Some good ideas but you are buying into a common misconception. The CIA has never been in the business of stopping terrorism. They are probably one of the largest creators of state sponsored terrorism that the world has ever seen. Just to pick one example take Cuba. blowing up airliners, attacking tourists, poisening crops, the CIA creates terrorism they don't stop it.
The Bush / Cheney administration was at the helm during the 9-11-2001 terrorist attacks. Never mind that they had ample warnings about such an attack. What Fox News and thier right wing ilk will never mention is the President's Daily Brief from 6 August 2001 headlined "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US" which was a tad bit ignored.
But the same stupid talking points are still being spewed, as if that incompetent administration is somehow deserving of a "do over." Let's just start from September 12, 2001 and go from there, OK? And anthrax (I guess) won't count!
Wallace is quite typical of a lying, Right Wing-NutO Dick Licker.
And we haven't been attacked by moon creatures since 1969 either.
What's your point?
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Chris Wallace is, pardon my french, a fucking asshole- not to mention NOTHING resembling his father in terms of talent or sensibility- so what more would you expect?
From Heather's post:
"I guess those anthrax attacks don't count, huh Chris?"
Yeah, so that's not the argument to counter the "We haven't been attacked since 9/11" crowd. Why would you say that? You really think the anthrax attacks that happened in 2001!, happened when all the ridiculous Bush policies were already in effect?
It's just a bad argument and easily shot down. You're opening yourself up for people to criticize your overall point when you put that type of stuff in there.
The real argument is to look at the time between other attacks in the past (I think it was anywhere from 4-7 years). To show the number of Americans who have died since we put those policies in place. To show how bombings across the world have risen. To show American interests abroad which have been attacked. To show the increased recruitment going on in terrorist organizations. To show the infringement of our rights - And finally, to show how we had the proper intelligence to stop the 9/11 attacks before all these horrible policies were put in place, we just didn't connect dots... which should be our main focus, not instituting draconian policies.
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