The Chris Matthews Show: Concern Trolls for Wall Street While Kicking the Grass Roots Down the Road
What can I say to add to what the panel on the Chris Matthews show had to say about health care reform other than thanks for recommending a kick on the chin Chris? Wall Street doesn't like it so let's carry water for the investment class that's making money from the insurance industry denying care to average Americans, and let's use the fear of the economy getting worse that Wall Street helped to wreck as a reason to feign concern over whether anything gets done or not. And while we're at it, let's also tell the "left wing" that they need to "take it on the chin" so we don't upset the Wall Street bankers.
About the only good thing I saw coming out of this segment was the admission that a whole lot of what's driving the health care debate in this country is not about what's good for Americans, but what's good for Wall Street. Until that changes, nothing is going to improve with our health insurance or health care delivery system in the United States.
answer a question indicating there is "one" thing that "Wall Street thinks" is an idiot. You might as well profess a belief in the Death Panel Fairy.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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tweety is part of the problem from the
rich elitist entitled old white guys.
he does not know what being without or
very little to get by on. stress for
him and this fucking bunch of insensitive
bastards is not having a remote starting
auto respond or their auto-lowering toilet
seat won't lower fast enough........
So do Joe the Scar & his house maid, Mika. The MSM is overwhelmingly right-wing. Why would it be otherwise, considering its corporate owners. Don't beleve it? Ask Bill Maher who was dumped by ABC for saying the 9/11 highjackers weren't cowards. Ask MSNBC which dumped Phil Donahue, their highest rated program. But Big Ed, Rachael & Keith are on MSNBC you say. Keith explained it on "Countdown" one night. It's always about money in the very end. MSNBC & CNN would love to be another Fox News. but they can't. So, they will allow a few liberals if it's makes them $$$$. Think a flaming liberal like Rachael would ever had been on MTP if she wasn't already an MSNBC host? Would love to see August 15, MTP ratings with Rachael on vs. previous Sundays. Anybody know?
...right up to when Tweety said that Obama should pull back and tell the left to suck it up. That's not the way to do it.
Obama needs to articulate what is needed and push hard for it. Then there should be a vote that clearly shows who is voting for the reform needed by the American people.
After that, we take what we can get right now and keep working for reform until we actually get everyone on board and get a truly nationalized health system.
If we reveal that Democrats are heavy investors in insurance companies, the Republicans will be unable to resist calling for their demise! They'll be trapped by their own frothing obstructionism!
I can't even think of anything to say about this. There seems to be nobody with any real power who is actually on our side.
Bless you.
and until the masses wake up and realize that true power resides in the the millions and millions and millions of people under the boot of the ruling class, we will never realize that we are the real power. we have been sheep-i-fied though. a full frontal societal-lobotomy.
anyone with "real power" is almost by definition not on our side (i speak for myself, in the collective)
>>"Until that changes, nothing is going to improve with our health insurance or health care delivery system in the United States."<<
Or anything else. Health care reform is the number one issue on the minds of most of us right now but it is simply the most debilitating symptom of a disease that is killing this entire country for most of us.
when we elect right wingers masquerading as Democrats or when we elect corporatists. this would not be happening ha we elected Kucinich.
Beck has this beat tonight as he says that government is "murdering" small businesses and the goverment has "blood on their hands". He says government is killing small mom and pop stores. Nope beck, Walmart already did that. Government can check that one off its kill list.
Maybe I didn't hear the first chick correctly but didn't she say wall street is afraid of all the president's spending and in the next breath say if he fails wall street will say that he can get nothing done. Then in the next breath she says if he gets something done wall street will like him. So what the fu*k exactly does she say wall street wants?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It caused me to almost hurt my teevee set. Tweety is almost always a suck-up to whatever his panel promotes, but that was a real Algonquin Round Table he had on Sunday! Four guests who just loves 'em some Wall Street! Trish Regan galled me the most; she acts like she has no relatives, as the Navajo say. Just starkly uncaring about right or wrong, just hoping to help the Dow go up, up, up!
Identical twin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq3Y-krfCjA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The real lesson from the Clinton administration here is Don't Ask Don't Tell. Two decades later we still have institutional bigotry in the armed forces because close enough was good enough.
(Arianna On Line) before I start getting dizzy and my vision blurs but this guy is offering some interesting truths-tips about the U.S. Medical system.
"The false belief that a safety net of sophisticated drugs and machines stretches below us, permitting risky or lazy lifestyle choices, has undermined our spirit of self-reliance. The cold fact is that while Americans live more than 30 years longer than they did at the turn of the last century, public health measures such as better sanitation, immunizations, better food and water, and safer and less polluted workplaces account for 25 years of that increase; medical intervention, only five years."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-weil-md/...
And it is interesting that alternative and integrative medicine has been shut out from the "let's see who can scream the loudest and be the biggest idiot on the block care" debate
I just heard Matthews say:
"Nothing is worse than doing nothing."
It takes a special talent to come up with gems like that.
Doing the wrong thing can certainly be worse than doing nothing. Like throwing gasoline on a fire is worse than doing nothing to put out the fire.
Matthews will never go down in history for his wisdom.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Mon, 08/17/2009 - 14:16 — theWalrus
Isn't that logically inconsistent?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
that is chris matthews
From what I could tell there was not a heart amongst them. It's all about making the fat cats happy and screw the people who need this health care reform so badly. Wall Street ran things for the last few years and how did that work out for everyone? With the money that was lost on wall street through greed and corruption, we could have paid a lot of medical bills for a whole lot of people.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
with their endless scams apparently no ones noticed.
Today the market took a hit. Wall street is not ready just yet to remove its new training wheels.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
There's still suckers born every minute.
These guys know what their doing don't kid yourself. It's evil stuff.
either.
government overhaul is only good when it's for Wall Street.
When we speak of spending that kind of capital on average citizens, the fucking world must be coming to an end.
into a puddle of radioactive goo.
Those poor people with all their money. Whatever will they do without a million+ a year?
will hold or carry their bags.
Thom Hartmann wrote a letter to Pres Obama:
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
CEO's offer Doctors incentives to drive up costs by over-testing and over-treating into the discussion also.
How bout Dr. Dean. Maybe he can talk about the health of our Physicians while we are on Health Care. Those physicians that are overweight, smoke, are dependent on drugs or alcohol, error prone, etc.
Lots to talk about.
Perhaps we should send him our health care horror stories.
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All corporate shills! All bought and paid for by the corporations.
republicanism is a mental illness!
Hmmm...so now instead of the politicians...I see pundit mouths opening...preparing to engulf Wall Street's.....
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I spent the better part of today calling various Congressional offices trying to figure out what is coming down the pike on health care reform.
Trying to figure out WHEN there will be the debate/vote on "The Weiner/Conyers Amendment to H.R. 3200" I was told by Rep. Conyers office that it will be well into the third week of September, if then. Congress returns from recess and will be back to work on Tuesday, Sept. 8th.
For an update as to when "The Weiner/Conyers Amendment to H.R. 3200" (which is essentially H.R. 676), we can all keep checking at www.rules.house.gov to find out the dates for the debate/vote.
As to the Congressional Budget Office "scoring" H.R. 676, I called the C.B.O. and was told that as of this date NO order had been received. I received a rather snippy reply, "We are getting HUNDREDS of calls from all you Single Payer advocates and we don't even have an order to do a score yet. I guess all "you people" think the numbers are going to prove that Single Payer is the best way to go, but that's not going to happen."
Your tax dollars at work. Well. Thank God the C.B.O. is "non-partisan", right?
So, I called Rep. Conyers office and they said that Rep. Weiner's office would know about the C.B.O. scoring order. Well, they have NOT asked the C.B.O. for a score yet on H.R. 676 but they are "working on it and it will be completed prior to the House debate/vote."
Uh-huh.
And as to The Public Option possibly being eliminated from the final bill. Rep. Conyers office told me that if there is NOT a "robust public option" in the final bill that Rep. Conyers would be voting "no".
Plus my understanding is that the rest of the House Progressive Caucus has said they will also vote "no" if there is no robust public option in the final bill.
Well, if it takes 218 votes to pass and you subtract the 80 votes in the Progressive Caucus from the total of the current 250 Democrats that leaves you with a total of 170 votes.
Yet all the articles I'm reading in the past twenty four hours regarding "the public option" not being "essential" and that this will "enrage the left wing of the Democratic Party" simply think that the Progressive Caucus will be willing to "go along to get along" when push comes to shove.
It seems to me that if Obama does NOT demand a robust public option that health reform legislation this year will not happen because the House Progressive Caucus will stop it.
It would certainly be refreshing to get some straight answers on all this from SOMEBODY.
And wait until you hear the horror stories about the Massachusetts Health Plan...and to think, as some have implied, that much of H.R. 3200 has been modeled on the Mass Plan. We'd all better be praying this is not so if the information I am getting from local activists here in Mass. is true.
Too many questions at this point. Not nearly enough concrete answers.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
You would think Doctors and Medical People would be at the table in full public view and debating introspectively the positives and flaws of the whole system.
Do you have a personal vendetta against Chris Matthews? I'm sorry, but every time you mention him you do it with contempt, to the point of even editing the transcript and manipulating what was said.
Isn't that precious?
I don't feel I'm being informed when I watch his show. It's just noise at this point. It's like Faux, I want a refund for this crap.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
Chris seems to be trying to play it down the middle. One day he tries to emulate Scarborough and the next day he leans more toward Keith's way of doing things. Of course on any given day he discredits what he said the day before.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I think more talking heads might be adopting the Matthews Technique just for job security. Fair and balanced goes numb.
I see a trend.
Don't make waves if you value your job.
change we can believe in obviously his job is to report the news.
If you want to call it news.
the news. You will be constantly disappointed. I wish they would all just be consistent in their perspectives.
wallStreet is part of the problem as is the other global elites. they don't want reform of health care cost.
they don't want the public empowered with competitive bidding and attempt at effiency. there's potentially less profit in it. wallStreet/global elites rather have the middleclass under their financial control. they also don't the working middleclass small-mid size businesses to interfere with the
wallStreet darling CHINA. wallStreet and the Darwinian Capitalists don't want health care cost reform and president obama realizes that. his intentions are to get some compromise to improve on. once the
health care monopoly is cracked it will never be the same.
our best trained managers, those with MBA degrees from Harvard, Pennsylvania and Stanford, are taught how to become masters in the art of concealment and the science of winning. Our colleges and universities openly school business students in the strategies of war, not those of integrity, accountability or responsibility.
The business as war by other means model taught in business schools has effectively trained our best educated business people to become single minded strategists absent social responsibility, cultural bearing, or the ability to discern right and wrong.
The only corporate responsibility by law is to make a profit for their shareholders. This is the actual reality. This is why the schools teach what they do. Do some research. This is not hyperbole.
why those pesky little things called regulations exist.
If corporations could be counted on to do the right thing, laws defining their activities wouldn't exist.
defining their activities. Thus the problems. Not that there were many to begin with, but deregulation took care of those "pesky little things." Thank Phil Gramm and his ilk.
There are laws defining the parameters ie regulations under which a given corporation may operate.
The decision of corporate governance to comply or not comply is a business decision, not an ethical one.
If the fines for violation are less than the cost of compliance the corporation breaks the law. It the cost of doing business.
The majority of the enforcements and penalties are for civil infraction, though there are criminal penalties, both for the firm and the officers, they are rare. Bushco all but suspended Corporate enforcement of even civil penalties.
During the Enron scandal the accounting firm Arthur Andersen LLP was prosecuted criminally. They were found guilty though it was overturned before the Supreme Court. They never revived.
Enron's chief officers were successfully prosecuted.
But today we have a corporate crime wave that makes Enron look like child's play.
In fact Enron was the proving ground.
Wall Street fraud, health insurance billing fraud, accounting fraud, war profiteer fraud, let me count the ways to commit fraud.
My own personal feeling is that capitalism itself should be repealed.
The economy, health care, wall street, everything is a subset of the ecology, which we are destroying. It will all come crashing down, the alarm bells du jour:
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqImkDgDwHU
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
One set of rapists and pillagers defending another set of rapists and pillagers. If it weren't so pathetically sad it would be funny.
This is the darkest cloud over American medicine. The profit motive, once only a part of health care, now drives the whole system. If current trends hold, a family of four will spend about $64,000 annually for health care in the next seven to nine years (except that they obviously can't and won't - so the system, without reform, will collapse before then).
Just stop buying the product.
for refusing to buy Health Insurance.
Pull the plug on the bastards before they can.
cloud over American" health insurance industry. Medicine is not the problem. Getting some is the problem.
trish regan whines: "he wants to spend, spend, spend in a time when the economy is really struggling to regain its footing"
i know this tartish newsmodel works for cnbc, and thus is economically-challenged, but maybe she should have a grasp of basic keynesianism.
oh, silly me, she knows, she is just more concerned with protecting wall street than actually trying to get the economy back on track.
most Communications Degree Graduates don't have a clue as to what real communication is.
The spend, spend argument was endorsed by Republicans when it came to Bush and war deficits.
yet, the economic climate was different during that period--pre-housing crash, pre-credit crisis, etc. in fact, had the GOP not blown the economy into smithereens by funding wars of aggression and tax cuts to the ritch the current crisis wouldn't be as systemic, imo.
the GOP didn't do it for economic reasons, they did it for their benefactors.
.
ask your congressperson how are we going to compete in a global economy if we continue to allow outsourcing. other countries are providing a business friendly environment that u.s. corporations
will NOT refuse. i'm interested in the moral angle but have even more interest in the economic angle.
personally as cynical as it sounds i believe investors are more interested in their CHINA portfolio then this country's future. send this NYTimes article to your representative and ASK them how are we going to compete.
China plans universal health care
By Edward Wong
Published: Thursday, January 22, 2009
BEIJING — China announced that it intended to spend $123 billion by 2011 to establish universal health care for the country's 1.3 billion people.
The plan was passed Wednesday at a session of the State Council, the Chinese cabinet. Prime Minister Wen Jiabao presided.
Xinhua, the state news agency, said the authorities would "take measures within three years to provide basic medical security to all Chinese in urban and rural areas, improve the quality of medical services and make medical services more accessible and affordable for ordinary people."
Providing universal health care is seen by some economists as a way to stimulate domestic spending during the current economic downturn. The Chinese have a high savings rate, and one of the reasons usually cited is their concern about possible medical expenses.
Bai Zhongen, chairman of the economics department at Tsinghua University's School of Economics and Management in Beijing, said that establishing universal health care with government-financed insurance would increase general consumer spending. He said the school did a survey in 2007 about the effect of rural health insurance on consumer behavior and "found that in government-sponsored health insurance areas, people are spending more."
The government already gives many people a small subsidy to help pay for health care, but more government financing for individual health care would strengthen the economy, Bai said.
Xinhua reported that the plan approved Wednesday would aim to provide some form of medical insurance for 90 percent of the population by 2011. Each person covered by the system would receive an annual subsidy of 120 yuan, or more than $17, starting in 2010. Medicine would also be covered by the insurance, and the government would begin a system of producing and distributing necessary drugs this year.
The plan also aims to improve health centers in rural and remote areas as well as equalize health services between urban and rural areas, Xinhua reported. Furthermore, the government would begin this year to reform the operations of public hospitals.
"Growing public criticism of soaring medical fees, a lack of access to affordable medical services, poor doctor-patient relationship and low medical insurance coverage compelled the government to launch the new round of reforms," Xinhua reported.
proposed electric car, the "Volt".
The whole adult US population is going to rush out and buy the Volt, priced the same as today's Mercedes Benz.
from? Coal? Oil? What? Seriously.
Corn? Despite the fact people are starving cause fueling cars with corn is more important then people?
genetically modified by Monsanto. Big score for them, huh?
you are contributing to a Chinese person's health care. Especially remember this if you don't have any. Wal-Mart is doing phone surveys, and one of the questions they ask is, "Does Wal-Mart buying goods from communist nations make you more or less likely to shop at Wal-Mart?"
I just plucked a little flower from Kos' garden and brought it here to share.
"This morning, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) called in to MSNBC's Morning Meeting to discuss health insurance reform. During the interview, host Dylan Ratigan asked Grassley about the so-called "death panels" in the House reform bill. Grassley, incredibly, responded that the fervor over end-of-life counseling is the result of "a distortion coming from the far-left."
Yeah, you read that right. We're the ones who distorted the end of life couseling into what is now known as "death panels". And when did Palin become "far-left"?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
*head explodes*
re-writing of history . . . except the ubers didn't take technology into consideration. They might control MSM but they cannot yet control the internet. And the GOPers are baffled by the whole thing. They don't understand how Obama became so popular, how his campaign message got thru, how he received donations from the "unwashed masses", or how the truth keeps coming out no matter how much they twist it . . . so they twitter like 13-year old little girls and consider themselves savvy.
President Obama HAS to tell them that THIS is WHAT IS going to happen... period!
Bush was a complete asshole but he never backed down and always got his way. America's middle-class NEEDS a single payer healthcare plan. I'm positive that if Obama wavers and compromises he will be a one term President.
While I agree that Obama should aggressively fight for progressive health care reform legislation, there is no way that telling "them that THIS is WHAT IS going to happen...period!" will be even marginally effective. He can cajole, persuade, even coerce (a little), but he doesn't control anyone in the House or Senate and taking a dictatorial approach won't work. That said, he's done a horrible job of fighting for meaningful reform.
I also agree that the US needs a single payer system, but neither Obama nor a majority of both houses agrees. I think you've misread the situation. Obama's tactics are designed to get him a second term, not get the best health care reform legislation possible. And he's probably right. I think there is a good chance he'll be a one term president, but what you and I consider failure on health care is not what will cost him another four years. If people like us refuse to vote for him in 2012 because of his abysmal performance on this issue, that will contribute to his defeat, but there aren't enough of us for that alone to defeat him.
Right now, it appears to me that Obama is fighting for legislation that won't accomplish what needs to be done, and I think that will really hurt him in 2012.
...makes it clear that the only way a Democratic president can be successful is to say "screw you" to his base.
I wonder if I can be successful by saying "screw you" to a Democratic president. I guess I'll find out.
Just wondering...
Where the HELL did this MEDIA CLASS come from?
They are NON EXPERTS and all they do is sit around talking to each other....
Talk about people who do NOTHING for a living...
don't forget the wall of republizan radio propagandists they have employed. That's unforgivable stuff, really. I don't forgive the MSM for that. TV is not our friend. city hall is.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Wall Street will get over it. Wall street has to suck it up baby.
Wall Street will be far better off with healthy, secure worker bees building America for them.
Stupid Wall Street! It's just like getting a shot in the arm - it hurts but you're better off in the long run - idiot Wall Street!
Suck it up Wall Street and give it up Republicans.
Work hard people, write and visit your reps, and this corporate control over people's lives and their bodies is going to be over soon.
The republizan have made this into far more than a health insurance debate - a waterloo - that's the other reason this is so bloody important.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Looks like it's time to "Cough Up The Bucks"...
http://www.neilyoung.com/forkintheroad/coughu...
Check out this guy from BMO Capital Markets :
Calling out to his Wall Street buddies to help him rally a threat to 'bring down' the stock market if the public option is in the healthcare bill...(about 3 minutes into the video)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/32460932
nice...
(sarcasm)
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