Chris Matthews Calls Obama a Progressive and Asks if He Can 'Pretend to be a Centrist'
By Heather Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:00am
Here we go again with that magical, mythical political "center" that the TV talking heads love to chatter endlessly about. Chris Matthews asks his panel what the next move should be for President Obama and of course in the world of the D.C. Villagers, he needs to move to the center, as though he’s not there already. Matthews actually has the gall to call him a progressive and ask if he can “pretend to be a centrist”. Way to push that phony right-wing talking point Chris.
Matthews: Let’s go to the bottom line, we took it to the Matthews Meter—twelve of our regulars—what’s the smartest political move for Obama right now; play to the center or to the left? Well no contest here, eleven say play to the center. Just one said go left. Joe and Katy you’re both in the meter and both of your are in the eleven.
Kay: It is a bit different from Bill Clinton who moved to the center and that benefited him and clearly you know everyone in Washington is talking about that and is that the way the President should go if he has such a drubbing in the mid-term elections.
Matthews: Yeah.
Kay: But I am… I do think he’s got to keep the base happy in order to keep the base stimulated, particularly in these mid-term elections.
Matthews: Do you think he’s as good at faking it as Bill Clinton was? Can he pretend to be a centrist?
Kay: This is the other reason… I also think he’s not an angry populist and this is the other reason for him not to try and play that card because when he did try to do it and started railing against the banks, it isn’t something that sits easy with him.
Matthews: Okay.
Kay: He is a fundamentally, kind of reasonable, rational, lawyerly type guy…
Matthews: But he is a progressive?
Kay: …and taking on the… I think he is a progressive… but taking on that mantle of populism is not something that’s suited to him.
Matthews: Can he sell himself as a non-transformative, regular guy president who just goes with the flow like Bill Clinton did?
Rather: No. First of all, he isn’t Bill Clinton—totally different kind of political candidate and political leader. He’s got to be true to himself. Listen, particularly in this era, two most important things are authenticity. You’ve got to be authentic. In the television age if you aren’t authentic and you aren’t very often it’s going to show through. The second thing is to have a conversation with people. He may be in his speeches a little too speechifying, preachifying in his speeches; authenticity, having a conversation with the constituency, the broad constituency of the country are the most important things going. And I come back to he has to show some guts and some steel—he’s got to.





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In what way is Obama a Progressive, Chris? I mean, sure, he's progress over the last simpering imbecile, but that's still far from progressive.
Have you guys ever heard of the "median voter theory"?
ALL realistic politicians play to the "median voter". Take a poll find on any issue and find the median of the distribution. That's who you go after.
Have you seen "Organizing for America" offices around? They are not "health care reform" rallying points, they are reelection data sources.
Btw, Obama IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE.
Proof (clean coal, single payer, nuclear, afghanistan, israel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLWkxzWhpRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQuTXIs08Xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PupXTUn9Mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1UTuYyACSA
you think the progressives should all be on the same page on everything like the regressives are? I can be progressive and not agree with everything other progressive agree on.
ron,
Here is the best example I can find about Obama. No vid tho.
The first bill to pass his desk was a supplemental appropriations bill for the "war" in the "stan". Several members of the congressional progressive caucus said they would not fund this "war" bill. The WH then personally called all of those progressives and told them they would never here from the WH or the DMC again when it came time for reelection. Obama has no more powerful tool at his disposal than that. He used it on an extra budget defense spending bill, but did he use those tactics for health care reform? Energy reform?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
to be re-elected?
1. His numbers are still strong considering what he has done and hasn't done
2. The Repubs have NOTHING and NO ONE to offer
3. By the time of the election "something" will happen to make him a hero.
I think he's losing a good (but maybe minor) part of his base while there will be a huge groundswell among the nuts in this country to remove the black man.
I think it will be alot closer than we think.
Or were you tapping his phones?
F.U.!
LOL! First off, the "center" brought us NAFTA. It was only the Luddite left and the isolationist right who opposed it. How did that "centrist" compromise work out for workers? How has the centrist environmental policy worked? When Obama went to Copenhagen he basically said that the US wouldn't sign a bill that made them do anything, brokered a secret deal with a handful of countries and said that all the countries present had to sign on to it and said that the US would do too little to mean much of anything (actually its inaction will doom some countries to lives literally under water. Only leftists care about or understand ecology, let's move to the "center" and do nothing, far more logical). The "centrist" policies (cause only the loony left was against the war before it started) in Iraq have killed thousands of US soldiers, over a million Iraqis, displaced more people in that country than any other (minus Sudan and possible Colombia), the economy was looted by Bremer and the "free market" orders he put in and said are not removable by any future government, and the "centrists" think we can "win" in Iraq still. The "centrists" voted for the Wall Street bailout, continue to increase our over a trillion dollar military budget and at the same time want to cut Social Security and Medicare (after they stole money from those programs to pay other expenditures of the government). We could go on and on, the "centrists" basically say, "even if there are fundamental problems with the country and our institutions you can't fundamentally change anything, only superficial change is allowed, and that will be at a snail's pace". Not logical in any way, but certainly in the center of elite opinion.
By the way, Obama did not run as a "centrist". Changing Washington, questioning NAFTA, talking about the public option, getting elected in Illinois while in favor of single payer, is not "centrist". I never believed him, because I'm not a mindless centrist, but others did. Do you honestly think he would have gotten elected if he ran as an open "centrist"? Elect me and I'll surround myself with the economic geniuses who got us into this mess, I won't change health care fundamentally, I won't do much of anything on financial reform, I'm going to gut the very idea of the government giving funding to poor communities' schools and will ration it continue to privatize the schools regardless of the results and effects it has on society, the Employee Free Choice Act will be ditched weeks into office, I'll continue to increase the military budget while cutting needed social programs and I'll decrease government spending even when private spending isn't taking it's place. This is "centrism" and it benefits too few people to get elected on openly, at least nationally.
The people in the country are not "centrist". What the media regards as centrist and what is centrist according to polls on the issues themselves (labels mean jack squat) are two different things. People want some form of universal health care and they want a non profit option. That is not in either party's platform, the media is openly against. So what is "centrist"? What the public wants or the middle of elite opinion? What is centrist in regards to Iraq? Social Security? The economy? The environment? There is a large and growing gap between elite and public opinion, only people with small brains don't notice this.
Laugh all you want, and rejoice in your country going down in flames, with a complete inability to solve any big problems. Why? Elites think they have to choose in between failed neo-liberal nonsense and the outright right wing. Within those bounds, well to the right of the public, is "acceptable opinion". The system we have is not sustainable on all fronts. Laugh all you want, "centrist" nonsense inaction will simply bring on violence in the future. If we can't have a government more responsive to the people, and the social organizations that once brought people together (like unions and mass social movements) are dormant, what will take its place is violence and eventually an outright authoritarian government dominated by the far too powerful military. Hitler couldn't have come to power if it weren't for the "centrist" Social Democrats, this country was destroyed by elite "centrist" nonsense and their brothers on the right. In most countries "centrists" are called what they really are, "conservatives" because they want to conserve what is in place with no fundamental change (no matter how much that is warranted).
"By the way, Obama did not run as a "centrist". Changing Washington, questioning NAFTA, talking about the public option, getting elected in Illinois while in favor of single payer, is not "centrist". I never believed him, because I'm not a mindless centrist, but others did. Do you honestly think he would have gotten elected if he ran as an open "centrist"?"
Excellent point.
Even with the Diebold 'voting' machines in place....I know 5 life long republicians that voted obama.Three that never voted dem. in their life....The corruption and incompetence were to huge to ignore....Now billions thrown at P.R. firms,think tanks,cable talk shows,and believe it,they are well on their way to steer the web to their advantage... In a big way...We had it for a while,the web got the change in the white house,and they know it. And the supremes just closed the deal... Is this Kafka or Orwell or Bradbury? Maybe them all.
I missed what you responded to, and it's probably just as well, but excellent post. I most like where you accurately call centrists by their real name, conservative. The conservatives will be the death of this country.
Because as every snake-oil salesman knows, "the key to success is genuine sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
Howwabout....trying to pretend to be a journalist!
got that tingle going up your leg, dontchaknow.
pretend to be sane?
That whole clip was a blatant act by the 24/7 corporate news media to define the political spectrum FOR us instead of reporting the news.
There it is folks. Exhibit A, right before our very eyes. It leaves no doubt that Mathews et al are corporate tools who are paid to "catapault the propaganda", as one very famous criminal fascist once told us.
It is exhibit ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, right before our eyes.
Thats some high end journalistic analysis right there:
..."Obama is like Clinton..."
..."Clinton lied about a blow-job..."
..."Obama is a lying Commie, who may not even be as good a liar as Clinton, ...there..."
"... now go watch some basketball ..."
Indeed! That's why they don't deserve the title news media, corporate or otherwise. They are propagandists and they work only to manipulate, lacking any other purpose for existing.
The best thing to do is turn off the tube. Better, throw it in the trash. Monitor what they are doing by having volunteers make the supreme sacrifice of watching so that others don't have to, and report on what they are lying about.
"The best thing to do is turn off the tube."
A statement like that won't get any traction around here. 90% of the people that comment here and the owners of this site are avowed mass media addicts. They are mainstream consumers.
I mentioned in my "Congressional Politics" class that I didn't own a TV, after 30 minutes of ZERO class participation from the rest of the students. The room erupted with incredulity which then lead to several discussions of "favorite shows". They had nothing to say about the assignment, the reading, the lecture or the questions our prof asked, but mention TV and they came alive.
of mass indoctrination.
i feel sorry for the people subjected to it constantly,
but its not hard to keep up with this stuff, here, on FAIR.org, Media Matters, Dnow.org ...
Mathews could probably handle a Live 7 Sports and Weather segment in Dumpwater, Florida, but
the idea that this braying jackass is the face of a major 'news' organisation is actually quite breathtaking ... this stuff isnt by accident.
Has Chris Matthews ever been right about ANYTHING?
Yes, at times he's pretty good, actually. I recall how he made someone who was accusing Obama of "appeasement" since he was willing, in theory anyway, to talk to Iran, looking mighty foolish by the end of the segment.
But this is just terrible. Obama is considered a progressive by many... depressing.
Imagine my disappointment that not one of them said that the President needed to "grow a pair". They came so close when they talked about steel, but no one went the extra step. :)
" vote for change " is pretty much screwed by Barry for all time. You betcha.
if it bit him in the ass. Obama is SOOOOO not a progressive. He is right in line with Bill Clinton. He campaigned as a progressive, much to the chagrin of the millions of us who put our trust in him for hope and change. So far, neither has been much in evidence. Sorry, Obama, I love you, but I am more than disappointed....I am heartbroken.
What more did you need after FISA?
HE PLEDGED to fight, after he had won the primaries (sucker punch there), when the the fight came, he turned 180° and ran with the criminals.
What more would anyone need after that?
I had given him money during the primaries, I didn't ask for it back as some did, but I will be damned before I will be fooled again.
Amen, my best buddy and I flipped on June 30 2008 when he made the most cynical, politically motivated vote of his career.
He is a wholly owned corporate puppet who shows zero regard for the Constitution and the only time he shows concern for the people is if it in no way conflicts or competes with his corporate masters' goals.
At least he won't be getting a second term.
1. Your comments are normative and not fact based
"who shows zero regard for the Constitution "
2. He will most certainly get another term
3. Your right about who owns him, but they own you too.
come November 2012.
It looks to me based on his voting record and his behavior since becoming president that he shows little to no regard for the Constitution. Whenever push comes to shove, he abandons his duty in favor of the expedient of the moment.
As for owning me, not likely.
Number 1. Is subjective. But quite possibly so.
Number 2. Is totally up in the air. He's managed to dishearten a great portion of his base.
Number 3. That's a little snarky. They own us why?
"Number 3. That's a little snarky. They own us why?"
If you hadn't noticed Habeas Corpus was voided in 2007 with the Military Commissions Act.
That means if three military officers on a tribunal say you are a terrorist you DISAPPEAR...no counsel, no court, your family would assume your a missing person.
You have no private property that can't legally be seized by the government for one reason or another. None.
Rights are something that can't be taken away. If they can be they aren't rights.
Not that I am really disagreeing with you, but you sound a bit like a teabagger, like when they say we are losing our rights, but can't name a right we have lost.
"behavior since becoming president"
Example?
"based on his voting record"
Example?
I do not agree that he shows zero regard for the constitution. The constitution was voided 8 years ago so I am sure he feels nostalgia for a time past like we do.
None the less:
Behavior:
He has on multiple occasions directed his DoJ to fight against the granting of basic rights to the hapless folks held in militatry prisons like GITMO.
Voting record? FISA vote?
Yes, the constitution has been ravaged the the Supreme Court and by the Bush regime. Still, he marketed himself as a Constitutional scholar, and implied that things would change. Nostalgia? Doesn't matter what he feels, it's what he has obliged himself to do by assuming the office. I do not agree with the premise that the Constitution is not dead and defunct. If that is so, it is not his fault, it is ours for electing officials who have taken part in destroying it. And, so long as it officially remains the law of the land, it is we who can breathe life back into it by the choices we make...which, is why I think he's going to lose in 2012.
Excellent!
DLC smear tactic. They borrow tactics straight from the Rovian playbook, such as inverting logic and attributing their own worst attributes - rightwing beliefs - to progressives.
screw you,
"but you sound a bit like a teabagger" was an attempt, and a successful one, to get some depth to his statements. And it worked. I recite CHOMSKY not Harold Ford.
I bet you watch TV and drive an SuV and drink beer. PROGRESSIVE?
indeed.
he obviously doesn't know what progressive means. Unless it means letting war criminals off scott free and mandated everyone purchase from an incredibly corrupt industry. Somehow I don't think that's in there.
Obama is to the right of Richard Nixon.
So much for the center.
of Clinton, Bush, AND Obama. I never thought I'd live to see the day I said that about one of America's greatest criminals. God forgive me.
Well, mine anyway.
Nixon into strictly samll time league of petty criminals. Bush, et. al, must be numbered amongst the arch-criminals of American history, co-equal villains with those who waged campaigns of genocide against the native Peoples and those who introduced and worked to preserve slavery, this in addition to being the arch-criminals of the world thus far into the 21st century.
I DID say Nixon was one of America's greatest criminals. What I forgot to say was that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were America's GREATEST criminals. Thanks for the reminder.
You have to include Bill Clinton then. He did everything that Bush and Cheney did but to a smaller extent.
Cheney & Bush roared in, drained the treasury into the pockets of their wealthy donors and Halliburton, shreded the Constitution, stole two elections, and upended the Supreme Court by adding two huge ideologues.....I think that pretty much wins the prize. Clinton was just a blip on the criminal scale (NAFTA)and at least left a surplus in the treasury.
Bombing Sudan, bombing Serbia, the telecom Bill of 1996, the repeal of the Glass Steagal Act, Iraqi sanctions, inertia on Palestine, support of Suarto, ignoring Rwanda and East Timor....
I can go on....
I blame lack of coffee and an hour less sleep because of DST. I'll bump Clinton up some on the ladder, but he's still below Nixon, Reagan,Bush1, and Bush 2. If we added up all the travesties America has forced upon the world in the name of freedom, I'm not sure many presidents would stand up under the pressure. After all, as Smedley Butler famously said, "War is a racket."
Who dat?
when Iraq holds 90 american embassy employees hostage it will be because of what Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice did. Clinton won't even enter their minds.
We don't have to wait 30 years to feel the effects of the Clinton Administration. Deregulation from bills he signed, created the environment which allowed for the financial meltdown.
Goldman Sachs ran Clinton and it runs Obama.
NAFTA!!!!!!!!!
Clinton. Following the disaster that was Reagan the single most significant piece of legislation enacted that KILLED the middle class was the passage of NAFTA.
We are in absolute agreement on that.
On Clinton.
Although..and it may not have even been a part of their thinking at the time...Clinton did establish a precedent under international law that may possibly work for the greater good of oppressed peoples in any land. The notion that the global community has the right to exert a form of sovereign dominion over and upon tyrant states that are victimizing their own citizens. This is essentially the argument that was used to put down the Serbian aggrssion/attempted genocide against its Albanian minority. Though none of the nations who participated in that action were directly threatened in any tactical way by what Serbia was doing, the argument was that what Serbia was doing was an atrocity and a threat to civilization itself. The overwhelming military and police might of the Serbian state was brought to bear to decimate and destroy an ethic minority, an action to which the world, through the UN, said no and then did something about. That precedent still exists and could be applied in the future. Subsequent successful war crimes prosecutions at the Hague have strengthened that precedent.
The down side of the precedent is that Bush could have attempted to use, arguing that the Hussein regime's oppression of its own people was justification for an invasion and military action in order to rescue the people who were being victimized. They may have discussed it, but decided against it, because by it's nature it would have been done by forces deputized by the UN, thus pre-empting any possibility of subsequent exploitation of Iraq by the military victors. Bushco did not want to share the spoils of war and subsequent colonization of Iraq with anybody and decided to manufacture a pile of lies to justify what was an illegal war of aggression.
I'll say he is to the right of Ghengis Khan although I don't have any evidence for that either.
Yes Chris and Rush Limbaugh is center right .
Not asking the right questions.
Not talking about things that matter over the longer term.
For that, you need to bring in economic analysis.
Tweety could have used the time interviewing Robert Johnson on finance reform. Or Spitzer on why we've had zero finance reform.
This is silly irrelevance.
"rationable" with a plummy British accent ... do you sound less like a fucking moron?
most people don't know that. It's not Chainey it's Cheeney. I guess only us insiders would know that. So for now on I'm calling him Cheeney not Chainey, Cheeney. Cheeney. HHAAAAAAHHHHH!"
But to the perspective of the Republicans, who are radical right, anyone who is not as right wing as them are concidered liberal. Hell, William Buckley was a liberal in their book....
Obama lost my support because he';s NOT a liberal
(Progressive is a term people use who are afraid to use the word liberal)
And Barry Goldwater was a screaming lefty. And I refer to myself as a progressive liberal. I have never been afraid to refer to myself as a liberal--usually I call myself a "flaming liberal"--a beloved perjorative by the right of Democrats of the 60s.
I call myself a flaming heterosexual.
wrong again.
Must get tiring.
but the money's good.
Somebody's got to do it.
Americans have lost their sense of perspective of what is left and what is right. On the European show on NPR yesterday, the European moderator said Obama's healthcare plan is 'very rightwing' and that no European would find it acceptable.
Obama is more conservative than most Republicans of previous generations. His healthcare plan is far more conservative than Richard Nixon's, which had a public plan for one thing. Obama's top tax rate after the Bush's expires, will be 39%, and he shows no inclination of wanting to significantly raise them, even with a huge deficit; Eisenhower's top tax rate was 90%, which he supported and could have easily raised under a Republican Senate and House; Nixon's top tax rate was 70%. Obama has put together a 'bipartisan' Deficit panel consisting of 1/2 Republicans, bypassing the Democratic majority in Congress, to go after 'entitlement' programs, in the midst of the most serious recession in modern times. Obama believes far more in income disparity, privatization, deregulation and the power of the markets (versus the govt) than either Eisenhower or Nixon did.
and those were some of the most prosperous years in America. The middle class was able to send Dad to work, and Mom stayed home, and the family was able to buy a house, take a vacation, send the kids to college, and put away money for their old age. Now the middle class is on oxygen, can't do any of that, and is almost gone, thanks to 30 years of conservative tax cuts and de-regulation. Third world country, here we come.
the ball than we are.
out of the country! Liz Cheney will be on your doorstep soon.
Especially France.
No but I think you mentioned underpants...
kinda name is "Katty?"
That is truly laughable. Tweety is a cretin.
with 1000 uncontested radio stations laundering lobbyist talking points all day long to a crowd the size of the one that voted for obama.
the celebrity talking heads find it easy to follow from there.
No only that, they've convinced many liberals that 'liberal' is a bad word, so now liberals call themselves 'progressive' so as not to offend the right wingers....I'm a liberal. I will never call myself a progressive.
There are a number of terms coined by the right that the left started using, such as 'abortion doctor'. The fact we on the left are letting the right define terminology for us is NOT a good thing
liberal anywhere near the Oval Office. Apparently they don't even know what the word means anymore.
If they actually believe that Barack "Wall Street" Obama is a progressive, then they're way, way out of touch.
Chris must be missing that thrill going up his leg or he at last has found the smoking gun.
In any case this poor excuse for a journalist should be doing weather in Des Moines.
It's interesting that the "progressives" in large measure oppose the health insurance reform plan, because it doesn't go FAR ENOUGH...
Like get the insurance companies out of the equation all together.
is one of the smartest people in the media? One reason is that she does not own a television or watch one. She reads, investigates, does background and prepares based on FACTS AND INFORMATION. The media punditry holds a feather to the wind everyday to see what all their collegues are saying and then forms their narrative based on everyone elses. Listen to the questions they ask. They haven't done any background work at all, other than their own short term recall. They converse and argue like bar room drunks to bloviate about things based only headline knowledge. They never venture below the surface because they haven't informed themselves. Matthews is one of the worst. He thinks being in the beltway long enough makes you an expert. All is makes you is a one dimensional carnival barker. Their biggest fear everyday is that there won't be some manufactured scandal to fill the hour.
summary. Matthews is as superficial as a rash and every bit as pleasant.
..was a very accurate summation.
Obama is a progressive eh Tweety? Oh.....how the Orwellean hurts.
And when his right wing policies fail, you corporate co**s****rs will be there to say it's because he was a liberal, and launch us back to the far right dialogue which pays you media whores so handsomely.
Is that why his friggin' Chief of Staff called actual liberals and progressives "fucking retards?" We're in the Orwellian 6th inning.
Matthews is a multi-millionaire dollar genius of a Bullshit Artist. An craven brown nose in heart and mind, of course. But a genius nonethele$$.
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...terrible legacies*? Are people (idiots like Matthews) going to use him to redefine progressivism and progressive? After Obama will everyone to the left of the Orange Boner be considered a "progressive."
*Not Obama's fault. He's just a pawn in the MSM's mission to reduce the entire world and everything in it to utter nonsense.
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