Carlson Who Claimed He Assaulted a Man Who "Bothered" Him in Restroom Brought on to Discuss Violence Based on Sexual Orientation
By Heather Tuesday Sep 01, 2009 5:00pm
h/t David
Oh boy. Anyone remember this incident from back in 2007?
From digby-- Tucker Carlson: He-man:
He's a he-man if you think telling completely unbelievable stories about how you used to beat up gay's for hitting on you to be "he-man" activity, which he apparently does.
And from Media Matters-- Carlson claimed that after incident in a public bathroom, he assaulted the man who "bothered" him:
On the August 28 edition of MSNBC Live, hosted by MSNBC general manager Dan Abrams, Tucker Carlson, host of MSNBC's Tucker, asserted, "Having sex in a public men's room is outrageous. It's also really common. I've been bothered in men's rooms." Carlson continued, "I've been bothered in Georgetown Park," in Washington, D.C., "when I was in high school." When Abrams asked how Carlson responded to being "bothered," Carlson asserted, "I went back with someone I knew and grabbed the guy by the -- you know, and grabbed him, and ... hit him against the stall with his head, actually."
So who better to join Steve Doocy on Fox and Friends to discuss an elementary school curriculum that teaches children not to commit violence based on sexual orientation? Tucker would rather have everyone be afraid of "teh gay".
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Little Lord Fauntleroy assaulting one of his own?
I remain skeptical!
carlson is a closeted gay at best and
a cowardly bully who beats up men he comes on
to because he is projecting his own desires.
interesting that he knows just when and where
to find all these men who are coming on to him....
he must frequently ck the "men seeking men'
personals on craigslist...
Did the Tuck's Hemrorrhoidal just say being the being LGBT is "controversial"?
I guess teaching about the civil war, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement is too "controversial" since some people believe it's "controversial". What fucking year is it? Oh, Douche thinks "Little House on the Praire" is relevant, so I guess they think it's still the 1800's.
A friend of mine, who happened to be gay, told me that they can tell who is and who isn't even if us straights can't.
If anyone came on to Tuckeer, it's because he's gay and just afraid to admit it.
Or I'm very, very confused.
...that Ducey is conducting this interview. Maybe it's just me but he seems like a closet, self-loathing type.
I wouldn't say I can tell 100%, but very often. Carlson has secrets. Of that I'm sure.
I call bullshit on Tuckers claim. Anyone that saw him show up after Katrina, the way he was dressed, he couldn't beat his meat with both hands. The man is the biggest pussy I've ever seen. A real he-man would never show up on the Gulf Coast wearing what he did. More than likely he just bent over and smiled in that restroom incident.
as usual, i am horrified not so much by everything TC spews, more by how out-of-touch 'they' all are.
to see the video about gay penguins.
against someone making a sexual advance on you in the bathroom? Gay, straight or anything, what's wrong with that? How would you react, Heather?
Of course, it's different for a woman. It's one thing to be hit on, but to be approached for sex by a man? That would be scary but of course she's not going to beat him up! If it were a woman who approached her, however, wouldn't you just politely decline and say you're just not into that? Why didn't Carlson just do that? Many heterosexual males are confident enough in their sexuality that they don't feel the need to beat up a guy because he asked them for sex.
Was that necessary? That tells you all you need to know.
perspective, or at least from this woman's perspective. ;)
From what I've known in my interactions, when you have an uncomfortable situation where someone who's a stranger (ok, never been propositioned for sex in this manner, but I have been propositioned for dates at least, and from both genders) is trying to make something happen with you, with a woman I've simply politely found a way to excuse myself. With men, there is the intimidation factor, so it's a little harder, but no, I've never gotten physical with a man to get him to leave me alone either. Some men can get verbally abusive when you don't return their attention, you know.
Anywhoo, point is, I don't buy this whole "oh he propositioned me so I gotta kick his ass" thing. And I think not going there more often than not is a good mark of maturity.
Who I met in a mensroom?
Damn, I should a asked you out.
:D
I'm sure Tucker never laid a hand on the guy. It's bluster to show how ungay he is (oh, brother). Gay men that are scared to come out, and those who deny they are gay, do that.
Why is that different for a woman? I don't know what Carlson did, however, being approached for sex by a stranger in a public bathroom, you are asking to get your ass kicked. Straight or gay.
Personally, I think he brought it on himself with the bowtie he used to wear, but that's my opinion.
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and pass notes at the same time ? .
He kicked his ass , thats funny t/c more than likely has never been in a fight in his life . Would not of made it in my hood , oh no .
for the life of me i can't understand why you think merely being approached and asked for sex in a restroom is grounds for violence. if you are gay or bi it could be an opportunity if you're into casual sex, if not you could take it as a compliment and, merely say no thanks.
Not that I'm condoning violence at all, but in a polite society we don't just walk up to complete strangers in the street and ask if they want to have sex. If I propositioned a woman in a grocery store, I'd expect a negative reaction, and quite probably a slap in the face, and not because I'm so unattractive- I'm no Geroge Clooney, but I'm not Quasimodo, either.
you've never been blind propositioned? never? i guess us women just learn how to deal. anyways, i always thought esmeralda would have been better off with quasimodo.
...I never hung out in the places where that type of thing tends to be acceptable. Was never into the meat market type of bars and clubs before I quit drinking. And I've never been into casual, nearly anonymous sex. I feel a bit more comfortable knowing a woman a bit before getting physically intimate.
There are places where our society deems this type of behavior acceptable. I'd say that if Carlson, when propositioned, was in a gay bar known popularly as a pick-up joint, then he'd be way off base even being offended. But he was in a public restroom.
prudishness, getting propostioned publicly, or being publicly propositioned by someone you never met , or in a restroom, is grounds for violence?
Violence is unacceptable, too.
But just because you or I think so doesn't stop it.
Let me ask you this: Would you go up to random men- no regards to age or race, style of dress, just completely randomly- and ask for a date with their mothers, and expect that you might not be crossing a line? Wouldn't you expect, at some point, if you kept asking, that you might ask someone who takes offense so much that they might not hit you...or, possibly, pull out a gun and shoot you?
a woman who dresses nicely and gets raped was "asking for it". the courts have generally rejected this type of defense for the perpetration of such crimes and rightly so. no, i don't expect this as a matter of course in public.
Manner of dress is completely subjective to interpretation. A proposition is objective: There's little room for misinterpreting, "Hey, I'll blow you if you want me to."
they're both merely different forms of sexual advertising, one visual, the other aural.neither causes you physical harm yet one offends your sensibilities and invites you to violence. sorry, hurted feelings don't mean you get to beat on people.
If a Saudi woman was wearing her traditional garb in Afghanistan, she'd be a slut because her traditional garb isn't as covering as the Afghan birka. Subjective. Open to interpretation. Slutty in Afghanistan, pure and pious in Saudi Arabia.
"Hey, let's fuck!" is not open to interpretation. You don't seem to be interpreting it any other way, anyway, seeing you suggested it be taken as a compliment. [And if you thought differently, you might raise the matter of contextualization (Hey, maybe the guy was joking.), but it took me to bring it up, so I think we're on the same page on what we're regarding as restroom propositions.]
way or another on the street or in public all the time. Some of those who do the propositioning are quite nice about it (and they admittedly don't ask for sex), but more often than not, any kind of attention from a complete stranger tends not be so nice. Yet most of the women who have to put up that kind of crap don't behave the way Tucker claims to have behaved.
So again, I'm not buying the "if a guy comes up to me and propositions me for sex he needs a beat down" business.
Who I've known since she was 14 or 15. Know who through her late father, an old drinking buddy who would be a few years younger than my parents.....
Anyway, I've known her for a while, she's a really good friend, and she was the victim of a rape just before I met her. And I've been hanging out with her when she's been propositioned by some guys who don't know her at all, and she just goes into a shell when it happens....
And she's a prime example of why I think it's impolite to just proposition someone out of the blue. Everyone has their own baggage, ya know? And as easy as it is to just brush off the societal concerns with a, "Well, every species of mammal has sex," we've also got to admit that we're not the only species that has mating rituals.
It is triggering, and I certainly can't blame your friend.
However, I don't condone violence (especially if it's rooted in homophobia like Tucker's incident, if it's to be believed).
Call me kooky, but even if physical difference was no issue, I don't think I'd even want to kick the stuffing out of some of the idiot's I've encountered...
I'm not condoning violence. I'm just saying that if you ask the wrong person the wrong question, that person may very well react with violence. And as I suggested up-thread, there are places where you can ask those questions where you are much, much less likely to be answered with violence.
People tell me I look like George Clooney all the time. We have the same jaw, hair and eyes. (Just sayin'.) We're the same age, weight and height too. And we both have greying hair.
I don't recall being propositioned in a washroom, ever. I would say no, thank you, and walk away ...(unless they were smoking HOT.) No need for violence.
Has it never occured to you that CHILDREN use public restrooms? And that having an atmosphere of casual, predatory sex where children may need to go is completely WRONG? Or that it is just plain, thoughtlessly rude?
If I knew that was going on in a bathroom my young son may need to go to, it would make me want to kick some ass too. Not to mention the fact that I don't want to see or hear someone having sex just because I need to take a leak.
Straight, gay or bi, a public bathroom is NOT a place for having or approaching someone for sex.
Either get some common sense or get a room - please!
he went and got a buddy and then THEY proceeded to act. Apparently Tuck didn't feel he could handle the gay guy by himself. That makes him a wimp.
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I disagree on this one, being gay doesn't make someone a weak person or a bad fighter. Many people, including gays, can beat you to a pulp.
Why beat them up? Why? Why? Why? Why do they deserve to get beat up? Why does the reaction have to be one of violence? Please answer. Thank you.
If by "they" you mean people who approaches others in public restrooms for sex regardless of their sex or sexual orientation, I think that "they" are asking for trouble. Ones sexual lifestyle has nothing to do with it.
Tucker's story changed.
He originally said he beat up a guy for hitting on him. Then it was because the guy was looking at him funny and he got an uncomfortable feeling. Then he denied that he did that at all, but that he went back with a bigger (and presumably more butch) friend and the man was still in the bathroom, so Tucker assumed he was cruising and then had his friend slam his head against the wall.
Noticing some red flags?
By the way, when I was younger and single, I got hit on a lot. Including a guy following me into a women's restroom at a bar I was at. Didn't occur to me to act violently against them. Had they got violent with me, I would have fought them, but I have to wonder about the sensitivities of someone whose first instinct is to physically hurt others just because they made an advance on you. Saying no too difficult?
As she said, his story changed. I really don't even believe it happened. I think he made it up as as excuse to talk badly about gay people. And now they're bringing him on to do more gay bashing on Fox. Lovely.
it stands to reason he'd get caught up in the maggot filters of FOX. Maybe he'll get Beck's slot.
Can you believe this stinking homophobe had a show of his own on PBS because the Thugs were bitching about Moyers? They took off Moyers's show and gave the slot to him for a few months, then gave Moyers back the slot
of him beating up someone instead of simply declining the offer of sex and to make matters worse, that he usurped Bill Moyers, a man I have a huge amount of respect for as a journalist and human being... well I'm with the others who think he's lying about this whole bathroom episode. Tucker is gay gay gay!! He needs to quit pretending, which means he needs to stop saying he's a journalist too. He can honestly say he's a loser though!
Nicole, you might not be single, but I am sure you are still hit on a lot ;-)
Although, I think we should make a sport of this. I propose every guy who meets TC hit on him...
i laughed at the thought of him being "tortured" by this. thanks.
If he was so uncomfortable with being hit on, why did he have to get a friend and GO BACK TO THE RESTROOM to beat up the guy.
That assumes the guy lived in a PUBLIC RESTROOM.
Tucker's story didn't add up, and Dan Abrams gave him the opportunity to get his foot out of his mouth, and Tucker didn't take it.
I will not be surprised when Mike Rogers outs him, and Lindsay Graham, too.
just saying, "No, dude. You're out of line here." And then leaving? That seems to me the actions of an adult. Going to find a buddy to come back and kick the guy's ass is the action of a scared, threatened little pussy.
what he would do if someone came on to him in a bathroom.
latent homosexual. Having reacted like he was being threatened with death. Let me give you a tip Bowtie boy you look gay.
makes Ru Paul seem like defensive end material.
LOL.
I would think that Ru Paul would be closer to a Nose tackle.
Or one of those guys who fights in a cage. Compared to Tucker.
I mean c'mon, the guy is a rich frat boy. He's never been in a one on one fight in his life.
He sure didn't seem to think when he was being all manly to go enlist.
He had better things too do.
Part of me believes his story. I got hit on alot when I was younger(by men). I just left. I didn't appreciate it. Actually, I was offended.
It happened way to much. But I never hit anyone, or went and got a friend to do it for me. I guess it was bound to happen, when you're as damn good lookin as I am.:)
This Tucker creep is probably only indulging in wishful thinking when he imagines someone approached him in a men's room...his high nasal voice and creepy little presence is more likely to scare anyone away.....man or woman...he may appeal to a chld molester or sadist but hardly a normal person of any persuasion
"Why Tuck, I never came on to YOU that day. YOU came on to ME!"
And I'd say something crude and gross about head-bangin' and stalls, but it's too crude. And I think you know where I'm going.
BTW - Having Douche and Tuck talk about gay issues is just too funny by half. C'mon boys, come out of the closet. You'll feel better! I know you'll lose your audience and your jobs, but the rest of us could give a shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBtqWOLE74
Could have been worse, it could have been with NotDoocy. That would have pegged gadars all across the country.
That tucker could scare the hell out of a 4 year old.
republicanism is a mental illness!
Whether or not his story is true (and I hope to heaven it is not) the need to either act that way, or claim to have acted that way reflects some deep internal conflict over homosexual urges and identity.
and came back with a buddy and they proceeded to assault this person? What a cowardly little wimp you are Tuck babay.
It's gotta be difficult to make your way in this world when you've only been born to the Swanson Food fortune, when your abilities and merit have virtually no meaning whatsoever and when everything is handed to you on a literal silver platter.
Of course he's gay and closeted. Is there any conservative male in the country who isn't?
But, Tucker in a fight? C'mon.
Don't think so.
Gay guys used to hit on me when I was younger.
I never thought about reacting violently.
I took it as a compliment and said I wasn't interested.
Big frakkin deal.
Yes, it's just AWFUL to teach kids to understand and respect others.
Horrible; what's next - teaching foreign languages?
I've been hit on a couple of times by gay guys, but I just said no thanks.
What was really humiliating was when this one girl I was working on said I would've made a good looking woman. In my teens and twenties, I had girls saying they wish they had my hair. I remember reading my script in my arts high school while a couple of girls would be brushing and combing my long hair.
They also seemed to be fascinated by the largeness of my eyes, but that was probably due to the magnification of my glasses.
And of course my forehead tends to jut out and then go straight up thereby minimizing the effect.
For a supposed bunch of liberals, I'm seeing a lot of homophobic rhetoric. "Looking gay", Tucker's not a "he-man" he's a "pussy"...etc. Look in the morror sometime, straighties, and listen to what you're saying. I know it's not all of you, but DAMN, I'm hearing the same kind of crap for people on here, that I would at some res state site.
are not the issue. Closeted right wing hacks like Carlson need the phony macho posturing of the republican party to assuage their sexual identity problems. In the process they do a lot of collateral damage to the public discourse.
is what I read here from a lot of posters on gay issues. Closeted repug gays are indeed a problem, but the rhetoric that prevades both sides of the political spectrum is just as bad.
And I consider it a problem when people misuse the word rhetoric, when they should say spin or propaganda.
i was pondering it myself.
Why? Why did Tucker C assault Sen Larry Craig? Shame on you.
.... for years and this has never happened to me. And I drink a lot of coffee.
That wuss couldn't assault a snail.
... doesn't that make him gay? Or at least heterosexually incapable?
Though it does explain his Franco-phobia...
Sorry Liberalicious, but the hypocrisy and the opportunity for a good joke (not coming from hate or prejudice) is sometimes to much to resist.
Is that TC isn't that hot anyways. But some queens are into that.
Everyone wants tall, dark, and handsome.
What's wrong with short, white and obnoxious?
I've been asking that for years.
Maybe it's the bow tie that attracts them. George Will also wears bow ties.
Yep, must be the ties.
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 18:57 — fiver
I woulda said Vienna Sausage phobia.
Those things are nasty!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPtwfCyXYRc
Just as many of the ultimately outed Republican and Evangelicals who would lead assaults, speak and pass laws against homosexuals are the most offensive in order to prove that they're "not gay". If you're not gay then get over your fears of "turning" gay because homosexuality exists and the cure is not in attacking others.
That includes having to repeat how you proved to gays that you're not gay.
Hey Tucker, when you "beat up" some guy in the bathroom, I recall you correcting the transcript from "up" to "off."
How much wood would a Tucker Tuck if a Tucker could tuck wood?
BD, if that's original, you should trademark it. LOLOL.
I had gay guys hit on me when I was young. I just told them I wasn't interested. Never had the urge to beat them up.
Good one, Biggus!
about violence against GLBT folk??? What's next, bringing Billo on to air his odious opinions on the sexual assaults of women?
Oh wait. Been there, done that...
It's okay, Tucker, really. You can come out of the closet now. LOTS of us will support your sexual preference, and you can start wearing your bow tie again. Won't that be nice?
Another day, another set of clowns to get a laugh from. It's not that I am concerned with the outrageous crap conservative idiots think, it's that I enjoy the circus show they put on for the world day to day. Infotainment, nah crapotainment.
Good for you.
Their bigotry and projection use to piss me off royally; but now I look at them as a humurous sort of "freak show," and it's made me feel a lot better.
You've got to take their daily antics with a huge grain of salt. They throw crap against the wall on corporate television media and monitor liberal blogs for daily reactions. Watching them live is about as fun as watching baboons playing with their turds at the zoo.
Oh yeah ! Biff Carlson , tough guy , him and Glen Beck , thee original macho men . They should be wearing tutus . What a joke .
what's with this bowtie equals teh gay thingy? was archibald cox gay? congessman paul simon?
My guess is, Carlson was never hit on by a homosexual person or anyone else even during high school. That is just his excuse. In high school, Carlson was probably picked on and beaten up in the boys bathroom more than anythin else. I mean, just look at him. Can you find a bigger wimp than Carlson? I can't.
He would of harmed the guy much more if he had danced with him.
If a guy did come on to him, I feel sorry for the guy because he must have been terribly desperate
T/C is the BOY
How would you like to have to admit you got your ass kicked by Tucker Carlson?
but I've never once been hit on in a bathroom, even in a gay bar.
Tucker Carlson has never been in a fight in his life. Look at him, for goodness sakes.
Guaranteed, he'd pee himself if he was ever really "bothered" in a bathroom.
Is blondie on the left showing off his Dr. Smith imitation?
OK, I'm not "cool", but what's with "teh", as in Heather's article which ended "teh gay". I guess I didn't get the memo on changing the language, but I don't get it.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter...
The man lover, Carlson, doesn't tell you that he loves to hang out in park bathrooms with his good buddy Larry Craig, tapping their feet togther too.
Tucker might be gay.
I realize it's a stereotype but I'm probably not alone in this assumption.
"Having sex in a public men's room is outrageous. It's also really common. I've been bothered in men's rooms."
Odd. It's common? In roughly 35 years of existence, I've never been "bothered" or assaulted (however Tucker will later claim it went) in a men's room. It's amazing that there are people who actually believe this nonsense.
I woudn't even want to talk to anyone while they are using the bathroom let alone hit on someone
While you all are talking about Tucker? The entire segment would have been made irrelevant if they had just mentioned the small fact that Alameda County is San Francisco.
Once again, we see the efficacy of Freud's theory of "projection" at work. First of all, what was Tucker Carlson doing in the park in the first place? Isn't in possible he had noticed gay activity in this particular place before and was curious enough about it to return and check it out? The most violent reactions of males to homosexual advances are caused by the males' fear that they, themselves, might -- just might -- be, themselves, gay. A male who is secure in his heterosexuality would say, simply, "No thanks, I am not into that."
When I was writing a biography of the late John Denver, I came across an anecdote that I could not use, as I was unable to find another source and had been warned by his manager that I would be sued if wrote anything that was untrue. A hairdresser told me that he had worked on Denver's coif just prior to taping a TV special. He said he'd dropped enough hints to Denver that he was gay and would like to have sex with the singer, to which Denver replied: "No thanks, Annie [his wife] takes care of that."
It's a shame Mr. Carlson lacks that sort of composure and security in his own sexuality, whatever that may be.
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