September 13, 2009 02:00 PM
Bill Kristol: If the Democrats Rebuke Joe Wilson it Will be a Disgrace and a Stunt to Try to Humiliate Him
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Bloody Bill Kristol takes up for poor little old Joe Wilson on Fox News Sunday. Bill, the only "stunt" pulled here was by Joe Wilson.
Kristol: He is leading his party off a cliff and Speaker Pelosi is going to lead the party, her party off the cliff if they try to rebuke Joe Wilson. He has apologized. It will be a disgrace if they do some stunt in the House to try to humilitate this man who is in fact, has a reputation for bipartisanship on the Armed Services Committee and the Foreign Relations Committee he's on. Obama and Pelosi are leading the party off a cliff I think and I hope a lot of Democrats say slow down, let's take a look at this bill.
as the GOP has already fallen off of any metaphorical cliffs. of every variety. this party is so unhinged, the door is leaning against the wall. there is Bill in true form: pointing fingers. something he knows really well how to do.
He thinks that everybody is an idiot!!!
Joe voted against this along with the rest of his party except for two GOP members.
Source: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/1...
Kevin Alexander Gray wrote a fine article in CounterPunch entitled: The Legacy of Strom Thurmond: "Segregation (and Hypocrisy) Forever" on March 8, 2004 which depicts southern politics to this day which is still full of racism. Gray also is a native South Carolinian who has burnt confeferate flags in public as an African-American man protesting the hypocrisy of that wonderful "southern hospitality." Here are some excerpts of this article from five years ago and still very appropriate for today's political climate:
.....when President Harry Truman desegregated the armed forces and announced his broad civil rights program in 1948, Thurmond could not tolerate the challenge thus posed to the "customs and traditions" that defined his deepest beliefs. Thurmond ran for President that year as the "Dixiecrat" States Rights candidate, admonishing the faithful that holding power boiled down to one thing--race and he would make sure that only white men held it. As Northern Democrats pushed for civil rights, Thurmond and his fellow Southern Democratic governors cried "states' rights" just as their ancestors did to justify African enslavement...."
"Candidate Thurmond's platform stood for segregation and against race mixing. When the votes were counted Thurmond had 1.1 million votes, won 4 states and garnered 38 electoral votes. 1.1 million Americans voted in favor of segregation--it was not enough to defeat Truman, but the Democratic Party was never the same....Eventually Thurmond was elected to the Senate as a write-in candidate in 1954, a post he would retain for a half century, until his retirement in January 2003....Lyndon Johnson's success in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the last straw for Thurmond. He left the Democratic Party and signed on with Republican Barry Goldwater. Upon leaving, Thurmond declared, "The party of our fathers is dead."
"...Thurmond's departure signaled a major shift in American politics. It was the birth of South Carolinian Lee Atwater, Jesse Helms, Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott's Republican Party. The Thurmond defection prompted the GOP appeal to white Southern conservatives and foreshadowed Richard Nixon's race-inspired "southern strategy." This framework exists today. Race supremacy is the ideological glue that keeps white men in the south in the Republican Party. Today they are called the "Bubba vote" and NASCAR dads, but the appeal is build on Tillmanism, the Dixiecrat Movement, the Southern Manifesto. It's almost always couched in the language of "states rights," but race and social control is the subtext...."
http://www.counterpunch.org/gray03082004.html
guy an intellectual?
This is a perfect example of someone believing his own press.
Finally a Joe Wilson Kristol can get behind!
F YOU!!!!
Republicans can do it but NOBODY else can.
Sure Bill. Why would anyone want to rebuke Joe Wilson for pulling such an asinine, unprecedented stunt?
Don't worry about Joe, he did enough to disgrace himself and the party . . . as if they actually can get anymore disgraceful these days.
I completely agree.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
All I've ever seen from this crew is 'buy partisanship'.
Congress rebuked MoveOn.org over the Petraeus ad.
Why shouldn't they rebuke joe wilson after he called the President a liar?
It's amazing this clown even get's air time.
His record of calling it wrong every time is unchallenged, there is no one in the pundit pool that get's it so spectacularly wrong as often as this moron.
Say's a lot about the US that he is paid for this service.
Kristol: wrong on Palin, wrong on Iraq, wrong on Quayle, wrong on PNAC.
Agree that allowing Kristol a public forum is a disgrace and an embarrassment.
I wish I wish
that headlines about this individual
would read "Bill Kristol The Incompetent" says this or that.
He's a loser. His predictions are the laughinstock of the political world but not as much as his sick obsession for the worst instincts of his conservative handlers.
he's a tool, and a pretty useless tool, at that.
The fact that he's got any audience at all speaks more about the USA than it does about his character.
....
And this also speaks volumes about the US.
Funny how we typed the same conclusion within a mere second of each other. :)
I think Joe shouting "your a liar" was set-up before the Republicans even took their seats. We know that they had papers that they were going to hold up and there were other Republicans yelling out also. This was a win, win situation for them to do this.
being taken seriously as a disgrace.
How about that, huh? The "brain" behind Dan Quayle. I get a headache everytime I try to wrap my brain around that fact.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
... his dad was supposed to be a "liberal" yet all he did was writing about how great neoconservatism was. So it is clear to see how the dumb intellectually dishonest apple did not fall far from the tree.
.."Fox News" for lying to their viewers and force them off-the-air.
Then have them put in jail for conspiracy..
Let's move on from Joe so we can get back to more important things like Rev. Wright & Ayers.
Note that all bad behavior by wingnuts is reason for not rebuking them by the Dems...Hope the Dems and some repubs do not cave...The man did not apologize until told to by the 'party leaders'...that is no apology--that is a CYA...not for the words or for the behavior unbecoming to a gentleman...on the floor...he will be shunned on the floor!
Keep calling him to remind him his opponent and the American people are on his heels--1.800.828.0498 or 1.866.220.0044! till he is removed in 2010! Think I will make this my morning 'smile and dial' after calling to push the 'public option'!
this is the guy who introduced to the world sarah palin. he's the one to bring her to the mccain campaign, and mccain never vetted her.... now look at what he has released unto the world....... Frankenstein in high heels....
Kristol=schmuck
This is not my father's America
My word..more whining from billy than we've heard in hours...what's up with that?? Been on KoolAide holiday for a full day??
Kristol understands that Joe the-wonder-dog Wilson is now the International Laughing Stock of the planet and the malice and ridicule and hate-waves are coming right at the republican party as was the case when chimpy ran things..Well deserved I might add given their behavior over the last few months...
Bask in it again billy - more coming your way...
Dear Krissy Kristol
We know that your brother in hypocrisy, Joe Wilson is perfectly capable of humiliating himself.
However, I do concur with Bill Maher that the Dems need to grow a pair.
This clown calls the President a liar but to demand a formal apology--like you would instantly do(for far less)if the tables were turned--would somehow be a "disgrace".
You're a disgrace.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Demonic raising, I rebuke you! But Joe Wilson ought to be censured.
He took advice from this tool along with rove and cheney.
That's your strategy not the democrats. Wilson was out of line. It wasn't just the shouting. It was the fact that Wilson shouted a statement about the president's ethics. He said the president lied. He's dismissing the authority and the leadership of a sitting president. When did that become Ok?
It wasn't ok when Bush and Cheney were in office. No matter what tragedy those two were cooking up the Democrats remained civil.
Jeanne
And yelling you're a liar isn't?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Uh, Bill? Joe Wilson already disgraced himself, so there's not much the Democrats can do to add to that. But thanks for the advice. It's become rule of thumb that, listen to whatever Bill Kristol tells you, then do the opposite.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Kristol is a genius. You can tell by the way his last project worked out.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
of landing on the cover of Sports Illustrated...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/cov...
Billy "The Bloody" still sings the praises of Sarah Palin and he says that Obama is leading a Party off a cliff? Hahahaha lololololol
Did Billy comment on the millions of people who were at the 10,000 goober march yesterday?
wilson offered an apology which was negated by his comments and behaviour afterwards. he still thinks he is in the right. he still claims obama lied. he needs to be punished for his behaviour.
when was the last time bill kristol was actually right about anything?
anyone? anyone? bueller?
Bill Kristol is imbecile. I have very little respect for anyone who supports Sarah Palin as the representative of their party. I dont think the Repblicans are in any position to criticize the Democrats after the 8 year debacle they put this country through. They need to shut up, sit down, and attempt to regroup what is left of their pathetic party.
...it doesnt look good to respond to someone who is pontificating on how a political figure could lead their party over a cliff...
...when that persons very own leading political figure (GWB)...led his whole country (and party) over a cliff...
It feels like a (canned hunt) for some reason...it's just (too easy to be real)!?
Amazing how it doesnt matter...(dem or repub, liberal or conservative) Fox news (knows how) to make your loathing hate bubble to the surface...no matter which party you belong to!!!
Fox news makes it so easy to hate!!!
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
Then having kristol as a poster child of the idiot party?
.
Dear Bill KKKristol,
So I can call the president a LIAR, to his face, on National T.V. during a joint session of Congress...
... Because it seems to me that just a few years ago, protesting or calling the President a liar, or writing it on your T.shirt, got you arrested.
Have we changed THAT much that decorum is meaningless?
.
Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
He's the worlds biggest expert on cliffs. Every time he opens his lying mouth, he drives off of one.
He's like the Wile E. Coyote of politic's, chasing Obama. And as Bill goes down and makes a quiet little "poof," Obama goes. "Beep. beep!"
Wilson offended the House Chamber, thus he should apologize on the House floor or face censure for refusing to do so.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
If a Democrat had done this to Bush? Of course Bill and his pals would have hounded him or her incessantly, and used every possible means to do so. They would have destroyed the offender mercilessly.
Rule by representation: democracy
Rule by one: autocracy
Rule by Republicans: hypocrisy
Humiliate him? That train already left the station.
subjects. He has had a lot of experience lately with disgrace and humiliation.
This is the kind of psycho babble that sent the Bush Administration OFF THE CLIFF!
Republicans can blithely justify even the most heinous of crimes.
Obviously this did not reach the level of torture, kidnapping and murder, BUT we ALL KNOW that had a Democratic CONGRESSMAN or WOMAN done this to Bush, 1: they would have been drawn and quartered, and 2: probably whisked out of the chamber by the Secret Service and immediately LOCKED UP.
Lest they all forget, The Party IN the Majority ALSO has the POWER to EXPEL members for nearly ANY REASON and THIS certainly DOES come up to SNUFF as a REASON!
Probably the Dems wouldn't have the guts, but the "other side" should think about it before they kiss too high UP to Wilson and the BLOCK of FUNNY FACE, sign wavers too.
At the VERY LEAST, if he can't control himself under THOSE circumstances, he's not MATURE enough to be in Congress in the first place.
They should ALSO take that group shot of the "funny face frowny clownies" and use it on posters against Home Schooling AND make it mandatory that those who attend "church schools" ALSO MUST attend PUBLIC classes in READING COMPREHENSION AND LITERATURE to make sure they LEARN to read more than their favorite "bible" passages, as well as ETIQUETTE CLASSES.
REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND SOME OF THE LIES WILL BE STOPPED OR AT LEAST FAIRLY REBUTTED!
If a Democrat had treated George Bush with that kind of disrespect, they would have been calling for his/her head on a platter. We'd never hear the end of it. If they don't come down hard on this it will open the door for more of this kind of rude and inappropriate behavior.
Kristol must write this stuff as an inner joke. I cannot really see anyone being as stupid as he acts, and is not in a padded cell. However, I just remind myself, we have come to expect so little from republicans, and their size 2 hat groupies, that we become immune to these type of comments. (Almost anyway)
When is someone important in the media going to simply say:
"Bill, you're full of crap. You know it, I know it, and the only people who don't know it are the idiots of the USA who think the world was built by some imaginary friend 6ooo years ago and flunked 8th grade civics class. You're a liar and a douchebag, and all your followers are liars and douchebags. We're done here - NEVER come back in this studio."
WHEN?
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
If this were a democratic Representative they would hound him until he apologized. If he did not they would tar and feather him then ride him out of town on a rail. I am so tired of the republicans crying every time they do something and have to apologize. I want the Democratic Party to start standing up to these people and quit being such a wimp. The republicans are the bullies of the playground. When are you going to stand up to them and tell them this is the way it is going to be and if they don't like it they can take their ball and go home to mommy. I was hoping we would start to get things done with the majority we have in the house and senate. Why are we letting the minority tell us what to do? Maybe we need to elect someone who will do what the people want.
Resigned. Apologize HA they would use this to make sure there be an open seat in congress for a while. Then use it in the next election.
Hell if this had been a GOP telling Bush "you lie" don't want to even think about the fake outrage that would have been expressed.
I don't think this is as much of a racial issue as people think ether. I think it's more that these GOP idiots bought into Roves 100 Year plan bullshit and think Obama and the democrats cheated there way into power. Because there is no way Rove would be wrong or anyway the GOP could mess up bad enough they would be kicked out. No the GOP was railroading with lies and propaganda.
I'm sure race plays a part but honestly I think this is more about those fools thinking that the 100 year plan of roves was going to work.
They think that after they stole at least two presidential elections, that the Dems figured out out to steal elections, too, and outdid them? I can live with that.
I thank Joe Wilson for daring to tell the truth. BO wants to dupe America. BO stinks!
that Saddam did not try to buy uranium in Niger?
And of course body odor stinks, try a shower...use soap.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
what truth is that? Can you specify rather than just putting up a bumper sticker comment. What lie was the douche-nozzle referring to? Or is that a little too much thinking for you to have to do? Let's have a discussion of the lies.
rep. wilson is a disgrace. i don't care what kristol says wilson was rude with his ridiculous outburst.
Haven't watched since 2003. If I wanted to be lied to, I would watch.
But after comming here and looking at some of the captions. I see that my basic thoughts about how many lies would be told on each and everyone of these sunday shows looks to be spot on.
The news was cancelled in 2000 and hasen't been seen since.
It has been turned into a propaganda machine by the corporate owners.
Each and every person that went threw the hiring process were hired because they fit the company needs, or at least they thought you meet their needs.
They don't hire people that are not willing to perform the task they are being hired for!
None of the information from any of these things are of any real value to any one other then the geo corporate military industrial pharma complex.
republicanism is a mental illness!
worked out"
One of the ka-zillion times he was on Washington Journal, I whipped an e-mail to them while he was still on, asking: 'So how's your American Century going??? Quite a project, huh!!!"
I don't know if he actually read that (do they give them emails to look over while they're on?) but he certainly looked quite rattled the rest of the segment.
LOVE that comment, N!!!
at this point to someone asking him about Palin's chances in 2012....see if he gets any hot flashes.
...should go for it. Make Wilson apologize on the floor and they'll find that people support them.
Unfortunately, given Pelosi and Reid's records, they will probably take his advice.
This is the Idiot that supposedly hand picked the Alaskan Bimbo.
Now he wants to call this a disgrace and publicity stunt please you Racist Nazi Clown crawl back under your rock.
Yes Stupid he should apologize, if not the man differently the Office you Moron.
Patron Saint of Teh Stoopid.
but your war in Iraq is calling for you.
The penalty is to insure other morons think twice about doing it. Not punishing Joe means they are doormats.
This man is a zionist jew for israel, he doesn't really care what happens here as long as it is good for the jews.
Republicans HOUNDED and EMBARRASSED THEIR OWN in forcing multiple APOLOGIES TO RUSHBO the BOSS?
Guess it makes a difference who insults whom!!
I hope that the self styled party of "responsbility" will finally be held accountable when they are demonstrably wrong.
If Kristol really believed that he'd probably keep his mouth shut because he wants the Dems to go over a cliff. If there is no formal rebuke Sen. Wilson's outburst will become the norm. I guarantee that if the situation was reversed the Reps would rebuke the Dem offender and probably demand that the Dems in congress do the same.
Why Sen larry Craig didn't resign?
Sen David Vitter not only resign but escaped prosecution.
No one speaks of Newt's trolloping.
Ex Caongressman Mark Foley now cured and getting a radio show without serving time as Gordon Liddy did.
Governor Sanford deciding he is above the fray that he placed on Bill Clinton.
Sen John Ensign the promise Keeper that didn't keep his promise and perhaps was blackmailed?
What next? A catholic Bishop-hood for I Lewis "Scooter" Libby Inmate# 28301-016 ?
With Bloody Bill's record on his predictatorial outcomes. He must be at least in the 90% failure catagory.
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