Bill Kristol Calls #OWS Undemocratic, Marxist and Damaging to Liberalism
Here we go with more trashing of Occupy Wall Street compared to those lovely, gun-toting, Koch funded "tea partiers" from Bloody Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday.
WALLACE: Bill, let's go back to what Brit was talking about, the politics of this, because Nancy Pelosi was not the only Democrat, at least in the beginning -- and you don't hear these statements of support so much now -- to embrace the movement. Barack Obama talked about them giving way to the frustration we all feel, Joe Biden compared them to the Tea Party.
At this point, particularly, as we see more sanitary problems, as people I think are getting tired of them occupying public parks, or private parks in the case of New York, is Occupy Wall Street a plus or a negative for Democrats?
KRISTOL: Ohm, I think it's absolutely toxic for the Democrats and for liberalism widely.
Step back for a minute and think of the Obama -- the mobilization behind President Obama. It was an incredible thing that we saw in 2007, 2008. It was law-abiding, it was peaceful, it was democratic, elected a president. Think of the Tea Party, law-abiding, peaceful, democratic, turned into --
WALLACE: Small "d," democratic.
KRISTOL: Yes, small "d," democratic. And people got -- nominated candidates, had primary challenges, some of them worked, some of them didn't, et cetera.
This is fundamentally anti-democratic. This is not an attempt to effect elections. This is -- it's not law-abiding. The whole notion of "Occupy Wall Street," that's not a sort of democratic movement that likes to participate in the whole process.
The whole term "occupy" is a kind of Marxist term, we're taking over these pieces of public property or private property, like it or not. These are our demands. We're dividing the country. This one percent has to be out of society.
I think it's deeply anti-democratic and anti-American. And if I were a liberal who might have been heartened by the Obama mobilization, who might think I still have a chance in 2012, because conservatives, of course, don't have all the answers, I would be deeply worried that Occupy Wall Street is just going to really damage liberalism.
How kind of Kristol to show such concern for liberalism.
Well, ya got one thing right there, billyboy.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Billy's even got that one wrong. Conservatives have NO answers.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
billie never gets anything right, ever. That's why he's on the FOX LIES neo-fascist channel.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Isn't she a legitimate candidate who is supportive of OWS values? Alan Grayson?
Occupy does not support Democrats. (Nor should they.)
far left loon >.<
Blue Dog fence jockey conservatism/pragmatism/centrism masquerading for liberalism has long demonstrated its capacity of doing more damage to the DNC in the confines of 1 hour than OWS could in a year, and neocons like Billy here knows it. But like all neocons and center fetishists, he's allergic to telling the truth. After all, every time a Democrat hocks and pawns their values, people like Kristol stay employed ...
More total bullshit from the guy who's never right about anything. That he still has a job and is considered an authority whose opinions merit listening to is truly a mystery.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Perhaps people have learned to safely believe the opposite of what he says.
Bill Kristol is a modern oracle, in that his responses are confusing at best and outright misleading at worst and that much like the oracles of old, he should be left dazed in a building apart from the rest of society.
So all we liberals have to do to gain Kristol's support is bash OWS?
Who wouldn't be on board for that?
Well, besides any liberals in their right mind.
OWS is totally American. And the police trying to disband them is exactly what the British tried to do prior to the American Revolution. I can't believe Kristol didn't know that. What could be more American than that?
Stephanie Palmer
May all bow down and worship him when he pronounce the TRUTH from his almighty throne.
'Nuff said...
Is he ever correct?
Ever?
No.
Even though I'm not in the streets, can I say "WE" about Occupy? I'm a huge supporter and have shelled out some cash. I am part of the 99. I wish I was there, but my life is in Asia.
far left loon >.<
yes
The thing that matters is that we all do what we can, Edwin. I'm in the United States, born and raised in NY but now living in the Banana Republic of Florida. I would love to be among the occupiers but I'm afraid my current health status means I wouldn't fare very well in lockup, so I send money, whenever I can. Like I say, we show support however we can. We are the 99%
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
I guess all these people (see clip) are Undemocratic, Marxist and Damaging to Liberalism??
Looks to me like the people are speaking out, peacefully, as they have every right to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_e...
far left loon >.<
OWS is definitely bad for liberals like Obama and Pelosi.
(as a matter of fact) ..OWS is bad for any political party that voted to give big banksters a bailout with no oversite!
...including Kristol himself!!! since Bill was a fan of the bailouts!
When OWS chants "they got bailed out-we got sold out" you gotta admit...
it doesn't make Obama, Pelosi or Bill Kristol
look good!
.
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
You include Pelosi there why, exactly?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
Obama is a liberal, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
Because being too broke to buy their very own Congressperson or Senator, those filthy "occupiers" are peaceably assembling and petitioning their government for a redress of grievances. How "undemocratic" with a small fucking d.
Pompous asshat.
#OWS Calls Bill Kristol Undemocratic, Fascist and Damaging to Liberalism.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Are ya frightened Billy you should be because we are coming after you
Guillotines. A head like that belongs in a basket.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
...that long ago we decided Bill Kristol was a blithering idiot who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Why do we care now?
Lower the retirement age.
Why, exactly, does that matter? Seems to me that OWS is the embodiment of Adam Smith's "invisible hand".
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
it is plain wrong
from what i have seen, OWS is pure democracy: everything is voted on, everyone has a right to speak, everyone gets a vote
they're all trampling on public green space....and they're all so..so...unsanitary.
Send in the cops.
"I would be deeply worried that Occupy Wall Street is just going to really damage liberalism"
bwahahahaa... oh kristol the younger you really are a fucking pathetic jackass
kristol's idiocy really shows how nervous those that protect and profit off of the political-economic system are
Not even GOOD concern trolling. Really true, the pathetic jack ass thing...
me-oww!
he is deeply, deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply, deeply concerned
and, mark 'concern trolling' off the list.... is there anything kristol doesn't fail at?
He's also concerned about our concern for the less fortunate. He's just lookin' out for our best interests kitty!
He's paid to manipulate the truth, AKA lie.
Kristol knows about the corruption that OWS is protesting. He's part of that corruption. He perpetuates that corruption every time he opens his mouth. It's his job. He's paid big bucks to do it. He looks real important, like he knows what he's talking about, just because he's on every week, and he wears a nice suit. He MUST be right.
Don't let me near this guy. I'll fuck him up.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
fuck him up
he needs a good ass kicking
He was one of the many that signed the PNAC pact back in the late nineties.
i would like to see kristol eat a printed out copy of PNAC
one page at a time
not as punishment, mind you, its just that i find his mouth-lip-area so effin disturbing. part of me thinks kristol is not fully homo sapien sapien. think V. and to see that mouth contraption slowly munching a half-ream of card stock (oh yeah, can we print PNAC on cardstock too?) would give insight just how kristol feeds itself
shapeshifters.
is it a wooden stake, a silver bullet, holy water, how do you take down a shapeshifter?
Go back in the C&L archives and see if you can find Stephen Colbert's interview of Bill. It was a thing of great beauty. The closest we will ever get to seeing him eat that PNAC crap.
"The witness stand is a lonely place to lie." David Boies
No surprise there.
'This is fundamentally anti-democratic. This is not an attempt to effect elections. This is -- it's not law-abiding. The whole notion of "Occupy Wall Street," that's not a sort of democratic movement that likes to participate in the whole process.'
OWS is openly acknowleging that the process is corrupt beyond repair, and must be completely reformed if not completely shitcanned and rebuilt. And it starts with getting the Wall St money out of the process.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
Because I can tell you for certain that "getting the Wall St money out of the process" is what asshats like Kristol will soon be deeming treason. Count on it.
Take the money out of politics and kristol is out of work. Who's going to pay him?
far left loon >.<
1) You support endless wars against Muslim countries
2) You believe that a few financial companies should have the power to destroy the U.S. economy
3) You support the right of corporations to pay no federal taxes and ship jobs to other countries
4) You insist that the poor be even poorer and the middle class cease to exist
5) You demand the the United States not spend any money on infrastructure because having a modern infrastructure is socialism or something
Hmmm,..........Bill Kristol has a batting average of about 0% on his predictions. Isn't he the one that told McCain to pick Sarah of the North as his running mate? This fucker has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. I have no idea why the media insists on having this fucking moron on the air pontificating on shit that he has been wrong about virtually every time he open his fucking mouth. But WTF, he says OWS is damaging to liberals? That gives me hope!!
...of dullards like Kristol, who don't know Marx from the Monkees, expounding upon what is Marxist, liberal, or "small 'd' democratic". Why is it that "pundits" who have been wrong about everything since the dawn of time are still appearing on national media platforms? And why is is that their nonsense is still quoted and worried about anywhere beyond their mom's dinner table?
The lefter I go, the righter I get...
your answer lies within the question
The right wingers want Bill to carry their water for them but they don't seem to see that his bucket is riddled with holes and has been for a long time.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I've always marveled that this Kristol Kreature actually gets paid to open his mouth or bang at his keyboard.
Dear Bill The Bloody,
I'm down here in hell with your POS dad and he said to tell you that you are still stupid. He's never changed his mind about that. Remember that, when your dad said you were stupid in so many words? That was great, right?
I'm waiting here in hell for you Billy Blood. Your dad says I can spend eternity beating the shit out of you every day. I'm looking forward to testing my ability to beat the stupid out of you while your dad watches.
Have a nice funeral.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
"Barack Obama talked about them giving way to the frustration we all feel."
This reminds me of when that guy flew his plane into an IRS office and some elected GOP said that maybe he had a point.
Obviously, the difference is that #OWS is civil disobedience and crashing a plane into a government building is domestic terrorism.
I don't really know what OWS stands for. I just know they don't like Wall St. & want the world to be a better place for the poor. It's not enough. It's 10,000 people with different priorities.
They have to find leadership - a spokesman & a clearer set of demands.
Otherwise it will soon be very cold outside - they're going to get snowed on, & eventually they'll become a cliche'. Their misery won't be inspiring, & Jay Leno & other mainstream jackasses will target them..
I would hope that they'd ally themselves with the Democratic party. We (they) could use their vibrancy. If they don't, who are they supporting next November? Nader?
A man who picks up a cat by the tail .. will find knowledge that cannot be gained in any other way - Mark Twain
When you've been denied job opportunities, had houses foreclosed on, been gifted massive student loans before you even get your first job, you really laugh at people who tell you you HAVE TO figure out what you're about. If people don't know what OWS is about, they're disingenuous. OWS needs to keep telling anyone who says they need to figure out what they're about that they can kiss their ass and just stay out there. They will have to endure the cold, violence, and dismissiveness, but nothing of any worth has ever been won any other way.
First of all, you're naming their agenda.
Who are you to do so?
Stop laughing. The economic cycle & Bush regime ..( & China trade) have delivered you to a terrible, bleak future.. It's not funny.
Without a spokesman or leader, there is no solid agenda. You say it's a plus. I think eventually it will be a fatal flaw. Youth and vibrancy are vital, but movements with leaders defeat movements without them.
And if you say 'Hey - we3 don't HAVE TO do anything' - we're just mad mad mad!! then I can only say that that's not productive.
There are many real and serious causes that should be targeted by OWS - the Citizens United decision comes first to mind. Access to Higher Ed is another. Tax Loopholes, Infrastructure, foreclosures, etc. If the average dopey citizen is supposed to guess which is OWS's priority, then you're asking them to do too much work & they'll ignore you.
Get some leadership or be irrelevant.
Obama has been kind of a schmuck..
I nominate senate candidate Elizabeth Warren & writer Matt Taibbi.
A man who picks up a cat by the tail .. will find knowledge that cannot be gained in any other way - Mark Twain
You're not paying close enough attention. In direct democracy everything is done by consensus, everyone can lead, everyone is equal. It is a radical departure from old fashioned representative democracy. How well has that worked for us?
Is it the 21st century yet?
Exactly.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
We don't have a referendum on all government matters. Only a small fraction. That's because it doesn't work. The general population have their own jobs - they don't know the details. Leadership matters.
I think what you're saying is 'if we don't have official leaders, then they can't be corrupted'.. well that's true. But the novelty of a leaderless communes in the public parks will fade, and besides, the risk of power corrupting is inherent in having any kind of organized society. Find good leaders & have some hope that they'll be true to the cause.
Otherwise it's a flock of Cessna's against a single F18 hornet.
The fighter plane is going to win.
A man who picks up a cat by the tail .. will find knowledge that cannot be gained in any other way - Mark Twain
if they had already done any that you recommend (name a leader, list a set of demands, make an alliance with the dems) they would have been just like any other number of protests and the such that are nearly completey unnoticed by the mass of navel-gazers.
that they have resisted doing these things--which, i agree, on their face seem like common sense--is where their strength and ability to keep growing resides.
You'd think the Democratic Party would be itching to ally themselves with OWS. What's up with that?
But OWS's too diffuse & they don't know what to make of it.
If they're a major American movement, that's one thing.
If it's a bunch of angry Marxist 19-year-olds with no agenda, that's another.
Nobody can tell yet, and OWS is not making it any easier to discern, and not jumping on their bandwagon.
A man who picks up a cat by the tail .. will find knowledge that cannot be gained in any other way - Mark Twain
There's a big concern troll around!
Only fox and the extreme right listen to you...What you are seeing is democracy, know it's pretty scary stuff to you but it's not Marxism..If it was Marxism we would crash through your homes gated community and either shoot you and yours or hang you from the nearest tree.....But this is America and that won't happen, because you have a right to say what you will...even if it's only in the company of fox contributors...
You have to give Bill Kristol credit for his consistency - he was been spectacularly wrong about the Iraq war and he is spectacularly wrong about #OWS.
Freedom and the common good can coexist. That is the essense of what it means to be American. This faux guy has no clue, or maybe he does and is lying though his teeth. Remember this is fascist on a fascist network, his words are rubbish.
Is it the 21st century yet?
Bloody Kristol has never been right about anything, and he wrong about this. He obviously knows nothing about the 'isms', except perhaps fascism at a personal level.
That's FOX LIES for you though - the TV channel for the republican neo-fascist party.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Another little neocon sewer rat who's brainwashing and programing began at birth ... same as Lizard Cheney . They learned from the Nazis , start them early .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
Thanks for the unwanted advice Bill the Bloody, but no thanks.
The message and themes of the #OWS movement resonate with a vast majority of people in America. How is that divisive?
kristol has what Hawkeye Pierce said about Frank Burns "what makes you so right is you are always wrong". kristol has the same problem. 8 will also add that the Tea Party was not peaceful.they all carried guns and the authorities would not move against them. Secondly, I went to OWS at Wall Street 45 days ago, while there are people that were on the outside I met 60+ year olds who lost their house and pensions, 50 year olds who cannot sent the it children to University and multiple young people with filets degrees who cannot fins jobs. This is the reality.
Whatever Kristol says, the exact opposite must be true (apologies to George Costanza).
Kristol gets it wrong almost every time he opens his mouth..
Now he's an altruist too....getting all concerned about liberals an' shit.
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