Barney Frank vs Eric Cantor on the Auto Bailout

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A telling segment from Wolf Blitzer on Late Edition, although his motivations are a little murky for me. Inviting on House Minority Whip Eric Cantor to be the GOP balance to discuss the auto bailout, Blitzer actually gives Cantor a second chance to distance himself away from George Bush's bridge loan and then reiterates later in the segment that the Democrats are siding with Bush and the GOP are not. THAT's the fact that Wolfie wants all his viewers to be clear on...not the half dozen "Everybody knows" made-up facts that Cantor is left to spew without interruption.

Curious, isn't it, that Blitzer doesn't ask why Cantor suddenly has interest in accountability for a successful business model for the taxpayers' sakes? After all, when AIG and BearStearns got their money, no one asked their CEOs which mode of transportation they took, nor whether they would cut salaries, and their loss was due to unregulated credit swaps--basically a new turn on junk bonds.

And on that salary question...out of curiosity, while GM CEO Rick Wagoner agreed to a token $1 salary as part of his bailout, his salary rose in 2007 by 64% to $15.7 million, significantly higher than his Toyota counterpart. I'd hazard a guess that the rest of GM's officers are similarly compensated, but Cantor is more worried about the guys on the line making $30/hour.

Hey Wolf, I hate having to do your job for you, but let's do some basic math, shall we? Rick Wagoner's salary is FOURTEEN times more than his Toyota counterpart. $30 an hour equates to roughly $62,400 a year. That means that the CEO of GM earned the equivalent of more than 251 employees last year. Is it really so hard for you to bring up these facts, Wolf? C'mon, I dare you to ask Cantor where's his concern for the taxpayers when it comes to executive compensation.

If you do that, maybe I'll forgive you for forgetting that none of this concern even crossed through Cantor's mind when he happily handed out no-strings-attached money to financial industries. Maybe.

Transcripts below the fold

BLITZER: We're talking on this auto bailout, Congressman Cantor, about $13 billion for an initial bridge loan over the next three months or so, another $4 billion maybe coming in February. But it is a lot less than Bear Stearns or AIG and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Listen to what the president said on Friday in announcing this short- term loan to Chrysler and GM.

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BUSH: Under normal ordinary economic circumstances, I would say this is the price that failed companies must pay. I would not favor intervening to prevent the automakers from going out of business. But these are not ordinary circumstances.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: You disagree with the president, I take it.

CANTOR: Wolf, I don't disagree. What I think, number one is...

BLITZER: So let me just be precise. Do you support that $13 billion bailout that he announced on Friday?

CANTOR: No, Wolf, I don't and here's why. Because we over the last several weeks been talking about alternatives as to how we can protect the tax payers and then stave off the threat of a loss of significant number of jobs in the auto industry.

And I believe the way we do that is that we get the concessions up front. Everyone knows that Detroit is not competitive. Everyone knows that the wage rates of the domestic manufacturers far exceed that of their foreign competitors. We know what we need to do in order to put these companies in a position so that they can compete.

Why is it impossible for us to get the concessions now and then have a situation where the government is there if you want to go in to some type of prepackaged bankruptcy, you want to provide some debtor and possession financing on the part of the taxpayers, have the companies pay for that government backstop is one thing.

CANTOR: But again, let's remember, the bailout of a failed model is not, I think, what we owe the taxpayers. We should really protect their money and not throw good money away.

BLITZER: This is an unusual situation, Congressman Barney Frank. I believe the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate, basically with President Bush on this issue of the auto bailout. The Republican leadership in the House and the Senate is opposed.

FRANK: I have to tell you, Eric Cantor, just gave I think an example of what people don't like about us. Mainly you said, do you disagree with the president? He said, no, whereupon he proceeded to denounce what the president is doing.

If what he said was agreement, I really want to be here when he disagrees because that will be really interesting. In fact, there was a good negotiation and both President Bush and Speaker Pelosi -- and again, we're in this terrible crisis as the president said. These are not normal times. People who lose jobs now are going to have a very hard time finding other jobs. There's a downward cascade in the economy.

So this is a very critical time and the president was absolutely right. Speaker Pelosi originally said let's do loans to the auto industry with conditions out of the tarp money. The president said, no, use the money that we voted to give them energy efficiency incentives. When the Republicans in the Senate balked that after it passed the House -- got a majority in the Senate, but not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster, President Bush -- and Nancy Pelosi originally agreed with the president and then he agreed with her.

The other thing I would say is this. It is striking to me that when Eric Cantor talks about concessions, it's only the workers. He mentioned concessions and mention the workers? Yes, the workers have already started to make concessions. They signed a contract that will be much less going forward. They have agreed to waive their jobs bank. I agree there should be concessions but unilaterally imposing them on working men and women and setting -- and by the way, what the Republican position was that the foreign auto companies should set the wage level for Americans.

They want to put that into law, that American workers in unions, bargaining, would instead be told by the law that they would be paid what foreign auto companies would pay without comparable concessions.

BLITZER: Let me let Congressman Cantor respond to that and then we'll take a quick break. Go ahead, Congressman.

CANTOR: We all know that in this country, there are three manufacturers that are not doing well and the rest that are doing well.

FRANK: No, they're not doing well.

CANTOR: But they are, Barney. There are ongoing concerns. They're not into Washington looking for a bailout. We all know, everyone knows in this country that Detroit is operating off a failed model.

And then what the problem is with the current package, and Barney, I did not ever say I agreed with this president on this particular package.

I don't, Barney, let me just clear that up. What is wrong with the package is there are no binding requirements here. These are floating targets. So, how in the world are we going to guarantee the taxpayers they are going to get their money back? That's where I'm coming from. We ought to be putting the taxpayers first. At the same time, trying to save the millions of jobs in the domestic auto industry.

FRANK: You underestimate the president and the majority in Congress in both houses which said yes, we are first, we are first to get repaid. If the appointee to oversee this says it's not working, we get repaid.

CANTOR: How are they going to get repaid if the companies are no longer viable?

FRANK: Because they have enough money to repay. Eric, having posed the question, why do you not want the answer? The fact is that they have enough money and everybody has agreed on that, including the secretary of the Treasury, that there would be enough money to repay this amount. They have got collateral. They've got property. They've got intellectual property rights. We are very heavily collateralized on this and we are senior in the debt. Secondly, there will be an appointee who will have a right to consist on insist on those concessions. But again, you talk only about concessions in the workers and I think the concessions have to be in both parties.



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As Major Winchester said to Hotlips

"Can I be Frank with you?"

Wolf Blitzer, tool of the Plutocracy, magus of the conventional wisdom, apologist for the military industrial congressional medaitainment big pharma insurance zionist complex.
David Gregory's mentor.

Wolf was probably just being nice as Cantor is rather fragile. He almost cried when Pelosi said some hurtful things about Republicans a while back.

he is a doof

keep talking

today, the banks who got the bailout monies are refusing to say where the money went

please cong cantor...keep opening your stupid yap

We'll probably never know where that bank money went, but we know whose pockets it came out of. Legalized theft I believe is what it will be called.

a multi-trillion disaster of two failed wars/occupations, mind-boggling corporate welfare, bailouts of incompetent Wall Street scam artists Eric Cantor and the repukes are concerned about the taxpayers. How thoughtful of him!

...on his lying ass, talking points face. He's a poor man's Mitt Romney....brainless fucker who only says what he's told.

with government backed lines of credit for suppliers and certain other modifications, would significantly reduce the future compensation of whoever replaces incumbent management.

There would be no place for Wagoner and most of GM's existing managment were the profitable (or potentially profitable) parts of the company stripped out of the rest of the mess Wagoner et al. created.

I think that Wolf's take home pay puts him a lot closer ideologically to Rick Wagoner than to one of his $30/hr workers. His bias is evident in the way he frames every question. Pure neoconservative Republican. In most of the world that would bring his objectivity as a journalist into question. Apparently not in the USA, certainly not on CNN.

The entire system is so corrupt, I am at loss to see how it can be redeemed.

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1776, 1789, 1917, 1989 . . . the teeming unwashed have the final say if and when they want to.

The more I hear about the woes of Detroit, the more I feel that maybe we should just let them fail. I know that this is contrary to the popular feeling of some if not most on this blog, but there seems to be no answer, aside from throwing our money into a bottomless pit.

Maybe if they were to fail, the slack could be picked up by some of the foreign auto makers or even the start-up companies coming out of California. The infrastucture will still be there and having a job with less pay is certainly better than not having a job with no pay.

Now I wait with my head bowed for the smoteing that I'm sure I'm about to receive

suppliers and other supportive industries go down while they reorganize

its a domino effect...that at this moment we cant afford

and remember, the monies made by foreign auto makers go back to their home countries...

your suggestion just continues us down the path to becoming the worlds greatest 3rd world superpower

It sucks all the way around. I drive a cab in a tourist town. Winter times are the lean months here and I generally try to save during the summers to offset those times. But coupled with $4 a gallon gas and a downturn in the amount of tourism over the summer those savings weren't much and they haven't lasted long. As far as the domino effect goes, I sometimes feel that I am the first in a long line of dominoes.

In the Coen Brothers movie "O' Brother Where Art Thou" a phrase was bandied about a couple of times. It was "...gone off to look for answers." I always wondered what the origin of that phrase was and what it's relation to the Great Depression meant. Now I think I know.

I'm impressed.

Let workers for the domestic auto companies suffer for the problems of the management. Then let the foreign companies (that don't allow unions) and start-up companies (that don't have unions) pick up the slack.

That's gold.

You should have saved yourself and just have said: "Let unions die."

With friends like you, who needs enemies.

everyone be ticked off at BOTH these numbnuts? It's amazing they transfix you with the Big 3, but no transparency with the bank heist. Barney talks a good talk, but where was all this "taxpayers getting paid back" spiel as billions were shovelled to banks with no accountability whatsoever from either Dems or Reps?

As far as I can tell, Barney has bought into the "balanced/fair/inclusive" mantra all the way down the line. My guess is that he hasn't quite accepted the fact that mediation and bipartisanship isn't going to cleanup the sewer that is D.C. The failed elites are stroking each other at every turn and the huddled, fearful masses (95% of the pop.) are slipping into a catatonic state.

i, for the most part, like frank. but he led the charge on this effin' terrible bill, and my opinion of him plummeted. probably for good.

CANTOR: But again, let's remember, the bailout of a failed model is not, I think, what we owe the taxpayers. We should really protect their money and not throw good money away

the failed model? which one is that eric? the entire GOP fiscal conservative model? that one? the one that you and your fellow corrupt thugs threw $700 billion at?

cantor is an effin hypocrite.

how much did the average employee of AIG make? what about bear? how much? i am not talking CEO comp, but the average worker. (remember to pad that number the way the rightwing did to the UAW wages)

Republicans want to bust the unions. Period.

What republicans want to do is go back to the days of slavery.
It's simple like they are if they can make money and you cannot then they can tell you what to do.
It's as simple as a simple minded republican can be@!

i don't think that that is a partisan issue

more of an economic ideological issue.

Eric Cantor is where he’s at today because he doesn’t care if people think he’s stupid. He’s usually one of the first to jump on the GOP Talking Points Bandwagon. Since we are all well aware that the GOP worships a failed ideology they’re reduced to grasping at the first bright shiny object that they see. As expected, their ignorant analogies will end up coming back to haunt them:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28344700

Please note that Toyota stresses that demand has shrunk. What the Big 3 are asking for is a loan to hold them over until the frigging banks let go of some of that free cash. But instead it’s going for executive bonuses. This is the Bush Legacy. The upward flow of cash.

A fucking ignorant lying back stabbing fool.
What kind of idiots vote for such lowlife scum?

the reglious fucktards and rednecks

Dipshit, this asshole keeps saying GM and othere are a failed industry. Hey assholw look at what YOUR dipshit leader did in 7.5 years. 9 to 12 trillion dollars in the hole. We do not even know just how deep the hole goes. talk about a poor job, these repugs live in a world all of there own.

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Is this the kind of cantor eric is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtHaZuT38Uw

personally i have a lot of respect for barney frank aka "sabertooth". he's both smart and confident...and
doesn't take any bullshit. as wall street is having it's melt down sabertooth is trying to rescue it and the country. many are looking at what's wrong with the bailout.....i wonder what would have happened had barney not stepped up. now if paulson will do the right thing like stop as many foreclosures as possible.

i completely disagree

the bailout was never aimed at helping the economy. it was aimed to save the wall street firms. and that is exactly what happened. also, it is more likely that the bailout will make it more certain that things will get much worse. now we have fewer, bigger banks that are more likely to fail.

had barney not stepped up maybe the wall street blackmail bill would have failed and we could have tried a real strategy to save the economy. i wonder why we, the taxpayers, are paying people off who knowingly risked their investments?

it is just another step down the neoliberal ladder to hell.

pick your poison

to say that we have only a choice between neoliberalism and neoconservatism is--on top of sad and scary as shit--completely wrong.

in fact neoliberalism and neoconservatism are extremely similar paradigms. i always considered neoliberalism to be economic imperialism, while neoconservatism was military imperialism. but both represent imperialism. and we know what happens to empires.

wall street/financial institutions go down many businesses go down. but maybe you know better. a lot of hind site(sp)

ya see, many businesses are going down--with the wall street blackmail bill. the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars is being used to pay bonuses and buy up other financial institutions. and the CEO comp requirement was castrated.

what many non-neoliberal economists were pleading for was a way to actually help the economy, not wall street. the underlying problems have not been addressed, foreclosures continue, wall street isn't lending, layoffs picking up steam, etc. etc. etc. -- and, this is on top of giving over with almost no strings attached more money than we have spent in both iraq wars, vietnam, korea and other imperialistic adventures combined, to those the got us into the mess in the first place.

that, imo, is important to note again: we have given over hundreds of billions of dollars of our money to those that created this clusterfuck.

I constantly run across these articles relating to why Wolfie does or does not ask specific questions and I just can't understand why the authors actually believe he's some kind of journalist.

Wolfie reads questions from a teleprompter, seldom if ever follows up (because he's not really listening to the response to the first question), then moves on to whatever else is appearing on the screen.

I have no doubt, if someone could get inside the control boot, they could run damn near anything on the screen and Wolfie would read it before realizing what he was saying.

Ever notice how this guy never changes his expression, regardless of what he's saying?

Very robotic and he almost never has the slightest idea of what he's talking about...he just spews forth with whatever talking points he's been sent out to regurgitate.

That's because he's the male equivalent of a Stepford Wife.

Like Tucker Carlson, I'd love to take this putz in a dark alley some night and wipe that shit-eating grin off his face. For pity's sake, at least have the decency to LOOK serious when you're talking about decimating the middle class wages.

We ought to see far enough into a hypocrite to see even his sincerity.
"Thomas Fuller"

The only vice that cannot be forgiven is hypocrisy. The repentance of a hypocrite is itself hypocrisy.
"William Hazlitt"

A hypocrite is the kind of politician who would cut down a redwood tree, then mount the stump and make a speech for conservation.
"Adlai E. Stevenson"

Hypocrites in the Church? Yes, and in the lodge and at the home. Don't hunt through the Church for a hypocrite. Go home and look in the mirror. Hypocrites? Yes. See that you make the number one less.
"William A. Sunday"

The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite!
"Tennessee Williams"

the mighty toyota announced operating losses today.

Thanks for that report on Toyota®, though I've yet too confirm. I would not be surprised, given the financial climate. This draws my attention to the respected business plans of said companies.Toyota®, noted for their superiority, still witnesses' financial distress related to what? Their employees getting paid too much? I wonder? Thanks...

When your main objective is to destroy the UAW, facts don't need to interfere. Canter and his ilk are simply tools for the big guys to use.

If people would do a little research I think they would find that GM and Ford make some pretty good cars. People in Europe and Asia seem to buy lots of them.

Most people also have horror stories about US cars, and rightly so. That is pretty much in the past. Quality, performance and reliability match Toyota and Honda. Chrysler is the exception. What the car companies need is for people to buy some US made vehicles.

Instead of giving the money to the corporation, I prefer that we give a huge supplement or tax break to people who purchase a new US made vehicle. I'd make it $10,000 or $15,000 dollars. At least that way some taxpayers would get some benefit out of this rescue plan.

All they need is an increase in sales, right. Since they had great profits in the preceding years. Its not like the companies made any disastrous strategic mistakes.

Seriously I think its a good idea but GM and Chrysler will tell you they need the money more than the sales, and that's kinda scary.

So then you want to bail out Toyota, Honda etc too? Their vehicles are percentage wise, as "US made" as the Big 3's are. There is no such thing as the American Made vehicle. Please people. Think without the patriotic drivel. NAFTA and global trade agreements killed any company that only made in one country. They don't exist anymore.

Unfortunately, for you, many people here, including myself, will not throw union members under the bus because of what you say is "patriotic drivel". I am a union member as are many of my friends and family. I won't be reduced to begging a southerner or foreigner for a job no matter what you or your ilk say. I will go down, as will many others, violently. While you can cower, beg and pander to your superiors, I on the other hand will not.

GM,ford and chrysler employ 239,000 in u.s. there are 3000 suppliers with approximately 600,000 workers. suppliers make/produce 15,000 parts that make a vehicle. 70% value of vehicle parts made by suppliers. when supplies big and small failing the flow of parts to every automaker in the country will be disrupted. suppliers sell to both domestic and foreign automakers. suppliers can no longer extend credit to GM. this is a complex symbiotic relationship. without this bailout "loan" there will be a lot of
people on unemployment and other public services. of course there is much more to this story. again look at today's announcement from toyota they are having dificulties(first time since the 40"s) but they have can to weather the storm. changes need to be made but i don't believe we should do nothing.

Isn't it obvious to everyone that Cantor & his ilk are trying to ruin working- and middle-class people one industry at a time by lowering average hourly wages? They want a class of debt-slaves ruled by the creditor class. With high personal debt + high unemployment + stagnant wages, everyone with a crappy-paying job will have to stay where he is, with little room for hope or for change.

When everyone is making Walmart wages, who will even be able to afford to shop at Walmart?

There was someone in the news recently who talked about change and said "Enough." Can't remember the guy's name.

It's time for good people of good conscience to fight upper-class wage piracy.

At this time of year, it's especially galling to see Americans repeat the hackneyed phrase that America is a Christian nation. Wake up from your stupor and take action, folks, because "love thy neighbor as thyself" is antithetical to a country that encourages wage disparities of 400-500%.

the third worldification of america

as capital flees america, as our productive base continues to be exported to wherever workers and the environment can be raped with glee, as the wealth disparity reaches saudi levels, etc. it becomes more and more obvious that the ruling class doesn't give 2 shits about america. they will ruin the country in order to see increasing rates of return.

the ford model (have to pay workers enough so that they can afford to buy ford cars) was rejected with reaganomics, and--like you--i wonder just who they think are going to be the mass consumers. middle class chinese? or will we just serve the rich? of course for me to assume that the ruling class has thought out anything more than their short term profit potentials is a silly assumption.

Democrats don't relate to middle-class people.
"Charles Schumer"

We need to make sure middle-class people are able to pay the bills. We need to make sure that poor people don't starve. Those are values, too.
"Charles Schumer"

We might be on the brink of an apocalypse if, instead of poor people with suicide bombs killing middle class guys, middle-class people with suicide bombs started killing rich guys.
"Bruce Sterling"

obama will be facing the dilemma of reducing the dependence on china b reducing the budget deficit
but doing that now would probably deepen the recession. it would also prevent some of the domestic
issues we want to take on. the relationship with china and japan has to be modified somehow.

I would hide my money under my mattress if I could, but my sleeping bag makes it impossible... :-P

The Republicans continue to refer to the Detroit plants as working off of a "failed model".Nice frame.The reality is,the model is one that is fair and equitable,but for a number of years,has been undermined by a neoliberal "Globalized" market that cares only about the bottom line.

Pretty boy Cantor is only good for one thing as far as I can tell and he probably needs it bad.

their puss? This jerk off reminds me of that dumb, evangelical bitch that got re-elected to the House from up there in MN. Disgusting, and doesn't say much for Minnesotans.

Am I missing something? Was there ANY discussing about the execs taking a pay cut or sacrificing concessions at all? Am I missing something? Did we ask for ANY concessions with the financial institutions that are getting a BAIL OUT, NOT a loan???

This is absolute politcal horse shit. These repug shills need to be taken out and tar and feathered.

outside of the twin cities is entirely different demographic. bachman is a representative in rural area. she's a nut.

D'ja ever notice how when Cantor gets challenged, and particularly when it's someone who's got the goods on him, he gets this shit-eating grin that just gets wider and stupider looking the more deep his hole gets? Watching Barney Frank 'debate' this moron is almost pure entertainment.

Almost...you still have to listen to Cantor.

Cantor: "...three manufacturers that are not doing well (domestic), and the rest are doing well.... They're not into Washington looking for a bailout."

Umm, no, apparently Toyota isn't doing all that well. And why would foreign auto companies go to Washington to get money? They'd go to Japan's government - aren't the Japanese auto-makers at least somewhat subsidized already? So they DO ask for help from the government.

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EVERY time that one of these GOP lunatics suggests that American workers shouldn't make more than their Japanese counterparts, the Democrat needs to DEMAND that then American CEOs must only make as much as their Japanese counterpart.

Cantor has started his run for president.

I don't think the wages of the union is the problem.

Most of the workers have been down sized and those that are left have had to take on two to 3 peoples work.

And what of all those Auto Contractors that supply thDetroit. How much are they making? ??????

Should all the Contractors take a cut?????

Shouldn't Contressman Cantor work for a dollar a day?

As a Congressman all he can think of is cutting Gov't programs for the needy people he represents but scalps about $175,000 from those who pay his wages and health care that make much less than Cantor.

is the put-down and the sneer Repubs give anyone who says society should help the poor, or the super-rich should pay higher taxes, or everyone should have access to quality, affordable healthcare, or marriage's legal rights should belong to all citizens.

We already live with social engineering of the worst kind. The super-rich get away with stealing from us by underpaying us for our toil and our talents, and overpaying themselves from the fruits of our labors. We are told it's the natural order, and that 400-500% more in annual compensation than the average worker is what it costs to attract skilled corporate management.

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