Anthony Weiner Smacks Down Peggy Noonan
I agree with Bob Cesca on this one -- Morning Joe at Its Worst:
This video could be one of the most infuriating segments on Morning Joe ever.
Joe's rant at the top is basically another reading of the same rant he's been rattling off since the Fall. You remember the one: the health insurance industry loves this bill -- the stock market for example. Of course Nate Silver and others totally debunked any relationship between the stock price of insurance companies and the healthcare reform bill's success/failure.
But the way he's approaching this -- seemingly from the left -- is concern trolling at best. It's entirely disingenuous. His argument is basically that this is a huge giveaway to the private insurance industry without restriction or regulation. I mean, he even went off about there being no public option. Uh-huh. Joe Scarborough is seriously a fan of the public option. Right. Yup.
More from TPM: Anthony Weiner Smacks Down Peggy Noonan On Health Care:
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) appeared on Morning Joe today, and things got a bit heated when he told Wall Street Journal columnist and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan that her criticisms of President Obama and health care reform were some "of the most cliched, hackneyed assessments of this thing."
Noonan started off by stating that Congress was already "one of the most unpopular institutions in America before they went through this dreadful process, with all of the buying of Congressman and the buying of the Senators."
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"This is how legislation works," he added.
Weiner continued: "Secondly, this idea that we are not losing jobs because 20% of every dollar we spend goes to health care is just wrong."
Noonan shot back: "We are in a great recession. You gotta focus on that. You don't go on to the secondary and tertiary issues, you go on to the main and essential issues. You don't go off on this one-year tangent that takes people off the issues."
And Wonkette's take on it is too funny not to share:
The prodigal video, it has finally arrived, praise Jeebus: delightful Rep. Anthony Weiner yelling at old moron Her Highness Madame Regina WordGod Peggy Noonan, who is piiiiiiiissssssed. Sit through about 30 seconds of Howard Dean not knowing what he’s talking about process-wise (You can’t pass the whole thing through reconciliation! George Bush had trouble passing domestic legislation too!), and then watch Anthony Weiner try not to beat the shit out of all of these people.
It keeps stopping and stuttering with videos. I think my memory is topped off.
Anyway, you know sumthin is up when Mournin Slow comes off as a far leftist. Sumthin just ain't right. Weiner makes a sound case in favor of this bill.
Noogan, lol. Geeez, can she be more obvious? Loved the look on her face at 9:19. Pure indignation.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
of a person trying to sound erudite while peddling the most banal of ideas.
floor about the HOAX memo...We need more like him and Grayson..Call to thank him 1.800.828.0498
AT ALL!!!! BUT I will call him to thank him..
I COULD NOT have been happier that someone FINALLY shut her up. She spews more sh$t from her high throne, than anyone & NO ONE EVER correct her.
There are NO words to describe my disdain for the the 2 host of this show + THAT Barnacle A$$!!!!...UGH!!!!
Bobbing head doll.
There aren't too many "conservatives" I find more annoying than Peggy Noonan and Joe Scarborough. Actually that's not true because I generally find all of them annoying. Noonan has such a sanctimonious air to her. She just can't own up to the fact that her revered Party of thugs are largely responsible for the huge mess we're in. What makes her think she's a expert on anything? She was a speech writer, now turned pundit. She looks at everything Republicans/conservatives do through rose colored glasses. And Scarborough is just a pompous jerk.
Peggy has a sanctimonious air to her because she IS sanctimonious and condescending. She can jam her I'm the last word on the subject arrogance and humble herself like normal people do.
But I doubt if that will happen.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
always sounds like she is full of Chardonnay the way she speaks and slurs and pauses. blah!
Ms. Noonan is always drinking something and it ain't coffee, also too, ;)..... Mika likes her pills, that is quite obvious.
It's imitation Irish Whiskey brewed in styrofoam barrels, chased by some Ripple mixed with some Mad Dog 20/20.
The "Thousand points of light," line in the speach she wrote came to her after she took a header off a barstool on The Bowery. It's what she saw when the EMS crew revived her.
God, I hate this sanctimonious bitch!
LOL Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
I almsot spit out my coffee when Noonan said "What about bi-partisanship, we were all for it at the beginning of Obama's administration"
In one word: Horseshit! The Repub pukes started saying NO on day one, Peggy, you incredible idiot. Don't know what you were seeing back then, but perhaps you were sipping a bit too much of the cooking sherry. Christ, what a dumbfuck thing to say. Lying POS!
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
LOL EXACTLY!!!
or tea?
It may be me, but I've noticed Joe keeps bringing on more Conservative thinkers now. We all know he wants to be President (God Help Us). He is however smarter than Sarah Palin (DUH). Peggy Noonan and Joe would make a good team (Pompous and Pompuset). She like Joe sits with her nose in the air repeating the Republican selling points. Joe sit and nods with her as she speaks. Mika has been trying to chime in, but she of course knows her place on the show.
I say it's time for MSNBC to look into replacing Joe. Let him campaign on his own dime.
That you are right. GET RID OF THE ENTIRE TEAM!!...Just ...UGH!!!
LOL!!
to Peggy Noonan without hearing her "off camera" comments about Palin. Can we hear that clip again! And every time she comes on and disses Obama let's hear her take on McPalin :)
Or just a minor ego bruise?
but calling her an "old moron" is not my idea of humor, it's childish and ageist.
And btw, we well continue to spend over 20% of every dollar on healthcare *after* this bill, according to the OMB (17-22% for *subsidized* families)
Good point. health insurance is 1/6th of our domestic spending? Does that mean health is on average 1/6 of your household budget? How does that fit in with rent at 1/3, gas and utilities at 1/6. Food at 1/3, that's a pretty unsustainable budget.
Oh and I guess the insurance companies get to keep their anti-trust exemption. So after all this reform and talks of price control, the insurance companies, and hospitals, are free to set and fix prices wherever they please.
Great reform.
according to Wendell Potter, and Obama and the other Dems have to know it. They're handing us a ticking time bomb. If *subsidized* families are paying 17-22% of their income on health care, then unsubsidized families that are not high earners will be paying a much higher percentage, obviously. That doesn't leave much $ for anything else for the average working or middle class family, but it's on par with the never-ending shredding of the social safety net over the past 30 years. When I mentioned the figures on a Democratic blog, an avid Obama supporter told me that she would be *happy* to be 50% of her income on health care, because health is the most important thing you have. That is how badly Obama and the Democratic Party have warped the debate.
While Europeans pay higher taxes, their safety net that is 1000x better than Americans and their quality of life is much higher. They are shocked at the scraps Americans grovel for from their govt and increasingly view us as veering toward 3rd-worlddom. Which we are.
Thanks. People are losing site of the math.
Remember sicko was not about the uninsured. It was about the insured and how their share of cost wiped them out.
Nothing is being done to contain the prices being charged. these prices are divorced from cost.
They should rename this Bill "The great Catastrophic Insurance Mandation" They start helping long after the costs have wiped you out. Even then you'll need to come up with 20% of the bill.
incomes below 400% of the FPL (I think that also says something about what we consider poverty, that you can make 400% of it and be considered in need of aid). I looked it up yesterday and it's in black in white in percentages - but not dollar amounts.
What doesn't change is the amount the insurance companies are receiving in dollar amount per premium. There rates are not going down, they will just have higher enrollment and the federal government, through allocation of taxes, will make up the difference. So the net affect is a larger drain on our economy as more people are forced to purchase (and more money goes towards the ins. co.'s).
However, that's not my real beef with this bill. Mine is, it's not real reform, it's a stall to reform. I signed an online petition by FDL addressed to Sen. Bennett to please let him introduce a Public Option Ammendment.
I told him, to paraphrase John Kerry, "how do you ask someone to be the last man to stand up for his country?"
Corporations suck.
are single parents, myself included, this is one reason for single payer, but that argument is pretty much dead.
fact is i cannot get sick, well i can, but it is pretty much not allowed. $1,000 deductible, 20% to $10,000 = $3,000 = savings gone. no paycheck means nowhere to live.
this is with insurance, a lot of people would like to make the money i make, a lot of people would laugh at my take home.
my employer just sees expense, if this bill gives employers an oppurtunity to dump health insurance, some of them will.
Peggy may use different words, but all she is saying is what the Repubs have been saying as the solution to every situation known to government.
We’re in a Great Depression – cut taxes and remove regulation.
We need jobs – cut taxes and remove regulation.
Out budget deficits are killing our economy – cut taxes and remove regulation.
Geez Peggy! My lawn needs mowing, perhaps we need to cut taxes and remove regulation.
Yep. Everything is too expensive. Can't mow anymore. You should see how long the grass is outside my window!
Uh we live in a society where people greet each other as hey guys!
Regardless if your male or female. A standard USA reply though would be "hey dude lighten up man get a life man" to your post.
- I failed to see the humor in like Heather did so commented on it. Btw, I could care less if someone calls females "guys". not the same thing.
I come from the Yes Ma'am, Yes Sir school. Basic common courtesy and respect is un-hip now days.
I held a door for a surprised young woman and replied, "Chivalry is not dead". She responded, "What's that?"
She didn't know what a door was?
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Is actually not what I found humorous about it and I agree. The part about Weiner trying not to beat the shit out of them had me chuckling because that's generally how I feel as well after watching Scar and Nooners, not that I would ever condone violence against anyone. Those two are just really hard to take though.
The strategy is to play games, or start arguments, get off the subject, or get you angry to avoid acting on legislation that is so sorely needed for those outside their class. They never admit it of course because if they were honest they would be blown out. Their vision for America is now what ours is. The right-wing/Republican/economic elite and medial conglomerate vision is a plutocracy where about 1% controls all the wealth. As for the bottom 99% they want them under their thumb.
Stop wars of choice. Remove the SS cap and let the rich pay the same proportion as the rest of us. Make them pay fair tax rates again. All this will easily cover universal health care. Easily.
Peggy Noonan is a necrophiliac, always screwing Reagan's corpse.
"Will you stop with the tangent?"
...comedy gold.
what all the fuss was about, nobody got all excited about health insurance when she was young. Bill Maher countered that when Noonan was young, people thought you got sick from witches.
http://liquiddaddy.blogspot.com/2010/03/after...
They also had garish automobiles laden with chrome and massive tailfins that got single digit MPG and segregation with "separate but (not)equal" facilities.
Funny how times have changed but Peggy's nostalgic pining for her redacted form of the past has not.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
it was EPIC!
the TellyVision show Morning Joe?
Groovy
I love it when anyone smacks down the Noonan, but I've got make a point about Insurance company stock price.
You'll never absolutely correlate rising stock price in the long run with Legislation. However, falling stock prices can be trigger by Legislation, (i.e. stock associated with Defense Contracts).
Concerning Insurance companies, this go around is definitely NOT triggering a falling stock price. If anything, this Legislation seems to be stabilizing price. Also, no CEO is being raked over by the Financial Press and bonuses seem to be rising.
Believe me, as everyone in the business knows, the Insurance companies are NOT the least bit afraid.
Boy that room was full of stupid. I wish I had not watched that crap.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! They have killed the economy and ruined the lives of millions!
Did anyone else read that headline and picture Wiener jumping across the table at Noonan and pounding her UFC style?
Isn't it funny who now after all the conservo-bullshit against the "gov't take over of heath care" to now the conservo-bots are bitching that there is no public option. - they railed against the public option first, so what the fuck do they believe in?
That's why you can't reach out to republicans is that they don't even want what they say they want! - and Scarborough is one of the worst of the worst.
What these TV morons need to be saying is, "Wait until people discover in the years to come IRS sanctions linked to this bill along with newly created “Health Care” cops kicking their front door because they didn’t buy mandatory insurance."
You can always move to Idaho.
Fines enforced by the IRS are not part of this new bill? It's like Prego. It's in there.
Hard to miss.
The fact is that taxpayers- insured and uninsured- foot parts of unpaid medical bills as is.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
it's plain to see if you look it up. Huge Bold Letters with it's own section. The problem I have with the IRS is they "don't come after you" they just sieze your bank accounts. The other issue is fines for employers (I happen to be one) from 10% of amount paid into healthcare (premiums I presume, it's not exactly spelled out) to 500k for "unintentional errors." So, make an honest mistake and it's an additional 10%.
And I should add, I don't mind my taxes going up an additional 10% or so if it allowed for the creation of healthcare for all, such as medicare for all, or some such. I don't mind paying taxes, I never cheat on them, I believe we have an obligation to our schools, and infrastructure etc... It's just in this case I'd sure like to get more for "our" money.
And I'm with you on single payer, but with the current make-up of Congress- of the public at large- it's a non-starter.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
However, I do think with the public at large there is enormous support for single payer, far outweighing those who oppose it. It's the politicians who decided they didn't want it.
Sometimes I think I'm just driving myself crazy. Just let them do (the govt) whatever they're going to because you really can't change it.
Oh, and I wouldn't mind my taxes going up 20% if they also did away with college tuition.
I guess I'm just a socialist, I used to think I was a democrat.
Everyone is expected to do his part in a society. You fought against single payer, then against the public option so it was watered down to this. Maybe you feel that those who are at a disadvantage should suffer and die or that the group who are not at the top of the pecking order should just keep growing larger. Well that is not in the national interest. I can't be that cruel or self-centered myself. You can always go to Somali where you will not have to worry about it.
but I could only stand about 30 seconds of Talking Points Joe.
I could understand him having a show at FOX, but not sure why MSNBC puts up with his ass hattery.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
I can't stand it!
First Shadegg (R-AZ) argues that the lack of a Public Option means the bill will do nothing to control costs...
And now Scarburrough is making the same case.
If I hear one more Conservative come out in support of the Public Option in order to slam "ObamaCare", my head is going to explode.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
The Insurance companies now get the uninsured FORCED by the Government into their "kind and gentle embrace." While they can't save money any longer by not accepting those with "pre-existing" conditions they will have over 30 million new - mostly unwilling - customers. They can now use their computers to re-jig the payment schedules so that they cover those with "pre-existing conditions" BUT make a tidy profit on them as well.
This is FORCED CAPITALISM HEALTH CARE - the ABSOLUTE WORSE of all worlds. I am ASHAMED that my Democrats - with majorities all around - haven't got enough REAL HUMANS to get a SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM - like the rest of the Western World. Disgusting.
P*ke, s*it, f*ck.
I waqs reading something the other day that said the exchanges- where the mandated would purchase their policies- must include at least one non- or not-for-profit insurer. And that there's a cap on premiums for mandated policies.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Just once, on one of these gabfests which feature Peggy Noonan, I'd like someone to turn to Nooners and say "Wait a minute! Weren't you just a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan? Why are you even here at this table having this discussion?" I guess I'll never see that, though.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
This segment is more evidence of 1 underlying factual difference between liberals and conservatives - liberals are proactive with problems and conservatives are reactive.
What makes modern conservatives even worse though is that they are retroactively reactive. For example, when Clinton wanted to go after Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda, he was forced to just launch missiles at the problem. Back then, this was a HUGE problem for conservatives because they thought he was trying to create a war to distract from Monica. Fast forward past 9/11, and suddenly, Clinton didn't do enough.
Now, what I personally love about this segment, and about most of the talking points from Republicans lately, was this idea of "Obama has to focus on jobs". Why didn't Bush do that? Also, I thought the government had no control over the hiring practices of the private sector or that it shouldn't have. Are they actually advocating Obama should do something to force companies to hire?
It's actually quite funny how this one issue has caused Republicans to trip over their own philosophy and supposed "party of the people" image to the point of absurdity. It's unfortunate that it's still working as well as it is, but that's the fault of the media.
Loved every word until you dropped the blame at the feet of the faceless Media.
Sure they are awful, but who is using them to push their agenda?
Follow the money. Other than that, spot on.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
"Also, I thought the government had no control over the hiring practices of the private sector or that it shouldn't have."
http://www.youtube.com/thealyonashow#p/u/3/Sc...
7 min 19 sec.
Actually, with the new hire act, it would seem that the government has enacted incentives to influence the hiring process by subsidizing unemployed job applicants. This bill was reported to have bipartisan support.
of bush's "great recession", we should be worried about the debt and not be spending so much. BWAHAHAHA!!! The ONE time you SHOULDN'T be worried about spending is when you are in the middle of a great recession!
It seems to me that Lincoln made a statement saying that this nation would not be destroyed from foreign nations but from within. I was getting my oil changed today and a worker and patron were having a discussion about health care and saying that we need to get these things done and the Republicans keep getting in the way.
It just gets me so angry the way these righties play these games to defeat legislation that is in the national interest. Your not going to win these bastards over it is time to get aggressive with them. The enemies are the economic elite, the Republicans who are actors for the economic elite, MSM, and I guess the tea baggers who are hoodwinked and ignorant. You can't win over these entities because they will not accept compromise.
they will accept OUR compromise.
Just won't accept any compromise needed from them.
... this HCR bill without a single payer or public option will NOT fix the the problem. I have to agree with Morning Joe (and that don't happen much) with his view on this bill.
I blame my congressmen and senator for that... I will hold them accountable.
See, Republicans KNOW that a Public Option would have cut costs by cutting into insurance company profits, so they SAVAGED the idea for 18 months ("A government takeover will kill Grandma!"). And many of the few cost saving measures they DO have in the bill don't take effect until 2014.
So later, when costs haven't come down significantly by the 2012 election, they will blitz the airwaves with a "See, we told ya so!" campaign. And if they can get a Republican in office when the real benefits begin in 2014, they'll be able to take credit for them.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
However, I haven't seen where any of those folks in those parties, and raucous town hall meetings have given up their Social Security OR Medicare....
"single payer or public option"
Did they vote against either?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
...be it immediately or over a short period of time, given access to healthcare, would that not spur jobs?
From medical training, car sales, clothes sales, food sales, medical supplies and anything else that's related to servicing an additional 30 million peeps.
We could have 1000 hands clasped in prayer, wishing this problem away or we could have two hands getting somthing done, even though there are mistakes yet to be proven... making and admitting mistakes, is the best way to get at the truth.
PS. Did I see or hear the WSJ (The Wall Street Journal) mentioned? That's one of Rupert Murdoch's rags, I believe.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Peggy Noonan is one of those fossils that makes me wish for those mythical "death panels" in the bill to be a reality.
I still am incredulous that Joe has never explained the dead body of a young intern found in his office in Florida - said she died from a "bump on the head". If this creep got away with murder, it is a travesty - for her family & for all Americans. I think Scarborough should be called out on this disgrace and ordered to explain the death of this woman in his office to the American people before he is allowed to shoot off his self righteous mouth every morning on TV. What a disgusting, repullsive babbling idiot...He has no lips - probably because he wore them off his face with his right wing propganda babble.
Woody McBreairty
from that and end up with his own TV show?
It would seem to me that cost reform in health is important to rescuing the economy. But universal coverage was what Obama ran on, and was part of the deal people expected when he was elected. I think we'll have no choice but to address the cost issue, and I'd rather have that addressed with universal coverage already established than not.
As far as fixing the economy is concerned, the Republicans are long on telling us what not to do, and short on ideas to fix it. We're never going to fix the problem, if the problem(s) aren't clearly stated.
One problem in the economy is the "too big to fail" financial corporation issue. As Gerald Celente stated, the scenario is really comparable to a hostage situation. Basically, the country is being told by the hostage takers (the banks) that they'll kill the hostage (the economy) if we (the country) don't pay them money. It's one thing to pay them the money, and quite another thing to allow this hostage situation to continue, and indeed, allow the hostage takers to formulate policy.
Another issue is neoliberialism economics (the doctrine of laisser faire capitalism) where regulation of economic activities should be prohibited. I think that capitalism should be regulated so that the economic activity doesn't harm the country. So long as harm is allowed, harm will happen.
A third issue is free trade, which off-shores manufacturing to the lowest cost centers of the world. That is going to put downward pressure on wages to a lower global average. We're sold this policy on pure ideology, because the data indicates it isn't working. I think the policy is idiocy. But so long as we stick with it, then it would seem to me that we should be adapting the global approach for paying health care costs, which is predominately the government acting as self-insurer (single payer). (We should also be paying the lower global average for military spending.)
So yes, this health care bill isn't going to help the economy, but it will save some bankruptcies, and cover 30 million people who aren't covered now, and I think that's an improvement.
We're supposed to believe his indignation towards the health insurance companies is real? Bullshit. He and his show did NOTHING to strengthen healthcare reform. They dave free reign to the likes of Noonan, Buchanan, and every other rightwing hack of the day.
Every time, Peggy Noonan want to sit and respond to all the questions even when they are directed as someone else. When Anthony starts to talk, she talks all over him, then morning joke trys to pretend Anthony is excitable. Noonan needs to STFU so others can talk.
Bob Cesca:
And the previous evening Rep. Shadegg (R-AZ) said he'd prefer a single-payor system, Medicare for all, to this giveaway to the insurance industry.
Is there any doubt this is simply the new GOP talking point? You don't have to believe it, just find a camera and say it.
I have to agree with the previous comments that Peggy Noonan says everything in an "I'm so sorry for your loss" way. And the way Mika leans in and hangs on Joe's every word is more than a little creepy. I still don't understand what (non-fetish) purpose she serves.
the problem
(1) Universal coverage and (2) cost control.
It does go a long way towards addressing problem 1. At this point, it's either this bill, or status quo. My guess is this bill is better than the status quo.
As far as cost control is concerned, the House did pass legislation revoking the health insurers anti-trust exemption. This legislation is bogged down in the Senate.
here's a prime example of why this site needs to be re-named. the bill IS a giveaway to the insurance industry but because the Dems are passing it you give them a pass on their sellout of the American people by not having a public option. you also criticize Noonan who I do not like but in this case she is right that the Dems are buying votes behind closed doors. based on this posting the crooks and liars are the ones running this site and supporting a bunch of crooks known as the Democratic party.
Every thing is too expensive EXCEPT military spending, and this applies to both parties. We are a militaristic culture. We can afford the machinery and soldiers to rain death anywhere on earth. We cannot afford to take care of ourselves here at home.
Why We Fight
[[Noonan started off by stating that Congress was already "one of the most unpopular institutions in America before they went through this dreadful process, with all of the buying of Congressman and the buying of the Senators."]]
And what Noonan and nobody else on the panel mentioned was that the Republicans who want to scrap the bill the way Noonan thinks Obama ought to do are the most unpopular group IN that unpopular institution.
The last two times Congress' approval ratings were in this low range during an election year, it wasn't the Democrats who paid the price for it in November. I was the Republicans. Noonan's team.
By election day the American people figured out what it was about Congress they disapproved of so much; there were too many of Peggy Noonan's goddam Republicans in it.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the American don't act on that conclusion for the THIRD election in a row this coming November as well.
Half-truths are easier--especially when the goal is ratings.
I just can't get through more than a few seconds of Scarborough before the involuntary spasming kicks in.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Uses the Bush recession as an excuse to starve health care reform. Those GOP shills are always trying to starve the beast. Noonan is one irritating hack.
Am I nutz or does Mika ALWAYS look like she wants to give Joe a big, sloppy BLOW JOB?
You're not nuts.
She'll be disappointed I'm sure.
Republican men are not only lying hypocrites but they're incredibly uninteresting.
Little Miss Noonan, little Miss terminally wrong Peggy Noonan talks about Anthony Weiner yelling at her, what the hell. I am so damned angry I could yell at any conservative or republican I see. I guess she thinks by talking soft and somewhat intellecutally that masks the fact she is factually wrong on what the election was about. Her thesis about the moment of the election is typical Republican boiler point issues, the debt and deficit, and keeping us safe. What the hell! These people have royally screwed this country, ran up the hightest deficits and debts in history, and allowed the worst attack in Americas history; and she dares lecture the left on these issues. I've said it once and I'll say it again, these people do not exist in the real world. They live in some alternative world, circa the 50's, where there is no living history, no mass media, no Google, and a public so stupid they can't remember from one moment to the other. Now I realize the majority of the conservative base are just plain stupid morons, but the rest of us aren't. We remember what "W" did to this country, and we damn well know what the last 30 years of Reaganism, her boss, has done to this nation. Memo to Ms. Noonan, politeness doesn't mean factual, you might try to learn the difference.
Right, according to the supreme court only powerful corporations are allowed to buy politicians.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Finally Finally Finally, somebody slapped the BS off of Noonan's face. She really needs to step out of 1950's Patty Duke land and into 2010.
The last couple minutes could be used as a pep talk played by an alarm clock on a Monday morning. It would definitely get me up with a smile.
......screwing Reagan's corpse?
I think so, always.
Um, sorry, but hypocritical or not, Scarborough is right that this bill represents a massive giveaway from taxpayers to private insurers. That is just plain undeniable.
And the "story" which supposedly "totally debunks" the notion that health insurance stock prices have something to do with the approach of this bill is actually totally unpersuasive.
This just seems to be another instance of a C&L blogger stretching the truth in service to a political agenda.
yup
nope
There's a reason that the insurers have been fighting this tooth-and-nail: It could end up bankrupting them. No skin off of my back, but here's why:
*This legislation caps administrative overhead and profits at 15% for group plans and 20% on individual plans. Currently the insurers take over 20% on group plans and 30% on individual plans on average, nationally.
*The rules barring recission mean that the segments that insurers now dump or never take into the pool in the first place- those with pre-existing conditions- means that the insurers know that they'll be paying out more every day than they do now. The mandates are there so that the pools aren't completely filled by those with pre-existing conditions. This would be a disastrous situation for any voluntary enrollment scheme whether the pool was non-profit or for-profit. Down the road this means that insurers will be fighting harder to get the costs of treatment and pharmaceuticals lowered.
*The bill that's already passed through the House that repeals anti-trust exemptions for insurers will force those insurers to compete with each other. This should force insurers into getting cut-throat towards each other, giving the consumer better access to health care at a lower price.
And at any point along the way it looks as if investing in health insurance is not sufficiently profitable, private insurers will start to go under, opening the door for single payer.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
This legislation caps administrative overhead and profits at 15% for group plans and 20% on individual plans
So what's to stop them from just raising the basic cost of the plan?
This reminds me of the sort of thing that was done in WWI, when the US paid shipbuilders on a "cost plus" basis. They were paid the cost of the ship plus 5%. What happened when they did that? Can't you guess? The basic cost of building ships suddenly doubled.
when "the hammer" would be on the house floor handing out $10,000 checks for a vote.
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
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that people STARTED losing their jobs months AFTER Obama was President. That is a HUGE HUGE lie. When bush took over the presidency he inherited the lowest unemployment rate in US history of 3.9%. When he left he gave Obama an unemployment rate of over 7% and growing. But Noonan has the balls to blame Obama for bush's high unemployment; THAT'S TOTALLY RIDICULOUS!!!
But after saying that, can anyone argue that what he said in the beginning isn't true. This isn't capitalism, and it isn't socialism, when the healthcare companies can have unfettered access to our money like they do and will have even more it's facsism.
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