May 19, 2011 02:00 PM
Wisconsin Senate Republicans ram through voter ID bill
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Only five Democratic state senators had a chance to vote on Wisconsin's voter ID bill before Republican Sen. Michael Ellis gaveled it through Thursday.
The bill, which passed on a 19-5 vote, would require that voters present a photo ID before voting.
Opponents of the bill say it infringes on the rights on minorities who are less likely to have a photo ID.
"There is some racism in this bill," Democratic state Sen. Spencer Coggs reportedly said.
h/t: The Maddow Blog
Give that president a bat and you would have Al Capone incarnate.
Poll tax. People of Wisconsin have the right to demand the state pay for any charges accrued when acquiring an ID like a driver's license.
Good point. Give everyone photo ID Wisconsin. Provide photo ID for every citizen that wants it. It's an obligation now Wisconsin. Get it done Wisconsin.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I'd be fine with it across the country if the law covered costs and made contingency plans for people who will be hard to document.
IIRC, my Grandmother would have had a hard time with this at some point because she was born in an extremely poor and rural part of N.O.
Ok.. it's sort of creepy to have a 'you must have ID' thing everywhere, but lets face it, this is the 21st century. It will happen.
Walker and his gang are thugs.
Recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall.
Hey Wisconsin, how are those recalls going?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Great, many of these disasterous Reslugs will be gone.
from all those "protest" cheerleaders who convinced themselves that the protesters won.
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
I think only a few of the protesters thought they had won. Most of the protesters have moved on to their recall drives. Haven't heard much about those lately, but i know a few have actually been successful.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It is a requirement where I live and has been for some time. The sky has not yet fallen.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
But it is kinda important that we preserve the right for all, don'tcha think?
Which is why I also agree with Wichitaliberal that unless there is unimpeded access to appropriate identification without charge it does constitute a poll tax. We do that here and it would be a good idea to add this to the bill. I don't know what forms of identification are in use but we have one specifically for people who do not drive and therefore do not have driver's licenses. In principal I do not see a problem with requiring voters to identify themselves if ID is readily and freely available.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Are you sure the sky has not fallen? Better double check.
-ec
Definition of sky not falling.
More republicans elected.
More good PR for the GOP!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Keeping non-citizens from voting? Sounds like a good move.
Because of course they turn out in droves. Much better to risk disenfranchising legit voters to stop all the voter fraud that there isn't.
I don't think this is unreasonable .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
Especially if Wisconsin provides a free photo ID program, to help everyone without photo ID to get it.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Walker just put s stiff hike on fees for drivers' licenses and state ID cards.
Kreskin writes, "I don't think this is unreasonable".
Waiting to be interviewed for jury duty, I witnessed the following exchange (paraphrased) :
Defense attorney to a retired cop-- "So, you believe my client is likely guilty"?
The retired cop: "Yes, I do. That's why he was arrested in the first place".
Defense attorney: "Thank you. Your Honor, I ask the court to dismiss this man from jury duty". Which the Judge proceeded to do.
The deal about our rights, Kreskin, is that it is always paramount to assume the worst about ourselves.
when doing roll calls?
He seems like a piece of work.
It was his cud.
Men are basically smart or dumb and lazy or ambitious. The dumb and ambitious ones are dangerous and I get rid of them. The dumb and lazy ones I give mundane duties. The smart ambitious ones I put on my staff. The smart and lazy ones I make my commanders.
Justice in the US is not defined by what you do, but by who you are.
Again and again we have been witness to our two-tiered system of justice. Get busted with a bag of weed - go to jail. Steal billions and you get a corner office and a generous bonus.
The inmates have completely taken over the asylum, and judging from appearances, the Koch bros got their money's worth. It's up to us to decide whether they get away with it.
"No one ever said these people were logically consistent."
- watchdog -
isn't it federal law that all above the age of 18 have to carry id anyway? who cares if we have to show it? That's nice to know that some republican can't come in and steal my vote.
Also
"Opponents of the bill say it infringes on the rights on minorities who are less likely to have a photo ID"
what are the odds that someone who never got an id wants to vote now???
... and cue the anecdotal evidence
"People of Wisconsin have the right to demand the state pay for any charges accrued when acquiring an ID like a driver's license"
I agree with this. well, drivers license, no. any other photo id yes
Late,
QSE32
Is that it's a "solution" to a non-existent problem. There are less than one dozen confirmed instances of voter fraud in the last three elections. In a population of 300 million that's an infinitesimal percentage.
This is just a way to disenfranchise sections of the electorate --the poor, seniors, college students, immigrants (all of whom are likely to vote Democratic) who may have a hard time getting an id for various reasons (old records, overseas records, cost of getting records, etc.)
Now if you want to talk about ELECTION fraud where votes have been changed or manipulated, well, that's a completely different story and a problem not addressed by voter ID. Strangely, almost all cases of election fraud (and they are legion--go look at BradBlog) benefit the GOP. Maybe that's why we don't deal with it.
It might just piss enough people off to get them to jump through the additional hoop to get to the polling station
what hoop? most people drive to their polling station, whip out the id.
belle
not to sound rude, but I noticed you skipped my statement about adults having to carry id.
It's that it's a "solution" to a non-existent problem. There are less than one dozen confirmed instances of voter fraud in the last three elections. In a population of 300 million that's an infinitesimal percentage.
well i agree in that this is a non existent problem but it's nice to have an extra precaution. Did it need to be done? Probably not. does it really matter that it is done? probably not. but the bright side asks "when was the last time the Repubs. did any preventive maintenance?" maybe today is a new day for them. but back to issue. I have to show id when i use my credit card, as far as I'm concerned my vote is more important than my credit card
This is just a way to disenfranchise sections of the electorate --the poor, seniors, college students, immigrants (all of whom are likely to vote Democratic) who may have a hard time getting an id for various reasons (old records, overseas records, cost of getting records, etc.)
I just flat out disagree... everybody i knew in college had ids. hell, colleges require them.Colleges Issue them.you need an id to get a job or cash social/security/unemployment check. immigrants need visas to be here...really, somebody who is trying to live off the grid doesn't have an ID and therefore probably isn't going to vote. I also think it's socially irresponsible to not have ID, the socially irresponsible probably don't vote
Now if you want to talk about ELECTION fraud where votes have been changed or manipulated, well, that's a completely different story and a problem not addressed by voter ID. Strangely, almost all cases of election fraud (and they are legion--go look at BradBlog) benefit the GOP. Maybe that's why we don't deal with it.
Yea, I remember hearing about the Ohio town that 200,000 votes for W when it was a town of 600 or something ridiculous like that. they don't really need to do anything to fix that except create a paper trail from the electronic voting machines, a receipt the voter gets when they are done and they drop that in the box... dead issue.
Late,
QSE32
Thought someone would comment, but FYI there is absolutely no federal law that requires you to carry an ID. Try the google.
Flaco
No law requiring the carrying of ID in this country (yet), comrade.
-ec
Here is why it is wrong:
Voter suppression is un-American and has no place in a democracy. It is probably true more minorities do not have an ID, and would most likely vote Democratic Party. To vote for a ID law based on this knowledge is purely racist. Yes, the state will now have to supply anyone an ID for free who wants it.
I keep my fingers crossed that this will backfire on them.
Flaco
I think it is more incidental than not. If I understand the situation correctly it seems to be more directed at the poor and a disproportionate number of these may well be Black or Hispanic. I don't know enough about the demographics of that state to guess but certainly just suppressing the vote of the poor, who are more likely to vote for Democrats, may be the intent. It may well backfire on them if that is true. It might just piss enough people off to get them to jump through the additional hoop to get to the polling station.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
No shit. And there's voter suppression in that bill, too.
Walker and his crime family can't be recalled soon enough, and even if they're successfully recalled, these SOBs might go postal and turn Wisconsin into a police state, complete with fascism and dictatorships.
Shit like this is reminiscent of how the Nazis were able to take control in the German Parliament in the early thirties. Pretty soon we'll likely see a Night of the Long Knives in Madison and elsewhere across the country I am afraid.
that there is more of an address issue, especially with college students, people that have lost their homes or may be completely homeless and staying with friends or relatives because of losing their jobs. There was a reason that they rammed it through, they are republicans.
I got nothing for that.
"There was a reason that they rammed it through, they are republicans."
probably to try and keep their recall numbers minimal.
Late,
QSE32
*SNORT* That about says it all doesn't it? :p
You hit the nail on the head.
The entire point of making people match address to ID is to keep students and those that move (i.e. poor and liberal) from voting. When you can't win on the numbers or ideas, win by cheating. It's the GOP way.
then why are the fascists so (pardon the phrase) hell bent for election on getting this "rammed through"?
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
it will be.....computer code...a real,mission accomplished......then we can drop the crap about the 'united states of america' .
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
"The bill, which passed on a 19-5 vote, would require that voters present a photo ID before voting.
"Opponents of the bill say it infringes on the rights on minorities who are less likely to have a photo ID.:
Actually, this is a very decent law -- at least to those with functioning brains.
Given all of the hocus-pocus of the 2000 presidential election, one would think that Democrats would want to take whatever steps necessary to end -- or at least lessen -- voter fraud. But that would require assuming that Democrats have functioning brains, and in to many instances they have shown a horrible shortage of the same.
And then too, passage of such a law would remove something for them to whine about.
voter fraud happened in 2000? I'm not aware of any. Are you sure that you have a functioning brain?
SCOTUS.
R = Roberts
A = Alito
T = Thomas
S = Scalia
RATS!
that is a manipulation of votes,right?.......there was ,i seem to remember the number of 174,000(a large number,i'm probably low on the no.),mostly black,hispanic basicly democrat voters......declared to be convicted felons...it was a lie...it was republican voter fraud....then the republican majority on the supreme court(one ford,two reagan,two bush 41),,,SELECTED not ELECTED,georgie boy........states rights? fuck um.....and then,they wrote into law,it was the only time the supreme court could ever do that.......the first real,mission accomplished.....you know the rest,surpluses,debt,wars,the fraud in ohio,2004 ,same smell,different route.google sec. of state blackman,ohio.......electric voting machines,all owned by right wing fucks,hell,one of them is owned by a former deputy of the CIA(now they know how to 'get the correct result',wrote the book)..and,surprize!!!!!!!!...bush again..........you just frogot all that shit,i guess.....ron
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
Voter fraud is when an individual votes as someone else.
Election fraud is when votes are changed.
There have only been less than one dozen confirmed cases of voter fraud in the last three elections.
There have been hundreds of cases of election fraud. Most benefiting the GOP, not so curiously.
Voter ID is a solution to a non problem of voter fraud. No one is addressing the far larger problem of election fraud.
That is election fraud, not voter fraud. Until you get it, how do you expect the rest of the voting public to get it? As long as you keep calling election fraud voter fraud, you give the republicans a leg to stand on. STOP IT!
I love it when right wing nutcases like yourself attempt to sound "intellectual", and inevitably come back to the Fox news talking points. You see people with functioning brains do their homework before commenting on an issue. I know you right wing lunatics don't get this, but there are such things as "FACTS" that seem to bypass the right wing filter of people like yourself. There have been all of 4 - 10 cases of voter fraud convictions out of the over 1000 investigated across this nation over the last 10 years, not just in Florida. But then again right wingers aren't big on facts are they.
This voter id law is targeted at the poor and minorities, in other words, those who vote Democratic. These voter id's aren't free, they cost money, and these groups have it hard enough putting food on the table as it is, so where are they going to get the funds to purchase these id's. Again, these are facts, and again, I know you people don't understand these things, or even care that they matter to some people.
So for you right wingers with so-called functioning brains, an oxymoron if ever there was one, you might want to start "utilizing" that functioning brain. Maybe then you won't come on these blogs with your ad hominen attacks against Democrats looking like the ignorant fool you are. I'm so amazed at the right, I've never seen a group of people who are so damned stupid, and so damned proud of it. Maybe if you did something, oh say, like, stop watching Fox news and listening to right wing talk show hosts, and picked up a damned book and read, you might fill that empty space in your brain with some real facts, instead of adopting the talking points of the right and calling them facts. You do know that just because you say something is "true facts" doesn't make it so, right!
Hey, after Rapture Weekend, we're all gonna go down and get tatted on the forehead and the wrist, anyway, so what's the big deal?
/snark
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If you are black or brown they will look at the photo id and they will look at you and they will look at the photo id and they will look at you and then they will say its not you. You will get upset and they will arrest you or they will send you away. But you will not get to vote. And thats how it will work.
I am a Wisconsin poll worker, and unless I have a Republican party thug standing behind me when I work voter check-in, I am NOT going to require people to show an ID as long as they're on the registration list - which is the current procedure anyway.
Videos like this need to be made into campaign ads. Cast a vote for a Republican, ANY Republican, and you are casting a vote against democracy.
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And maybe Jack Nicholson, but he's an A-list exception.
The more I watch the shennigans of the WI thugs, the more money I'll send to WI Democrats. I just got a nice little thank-you card today. And I ain't even from there.
Men are basically smart or dumb and lazy or ambitious. The dumb and ambitious ones are dangerous and I get rid of them. The dumb and lazy ones I give mundane duties. The smart ambitious ones I put on my staff. The smart and lazy ones I make my commanders.
The Dems will just have to change all the terrible damage the uncaring, lying Reslugs did to my state when they are voted out or recalled. They're all proven liars and untrustworthy assholes that will be gone.
It will be proven in history that the Reslug party was a total disaster for our country that Dems had to clean up, change and make correct again.
We can criticize the right for doing what they've tried to do for decades now, but the real question for the left is where is our president and his justice department in challenging these racist laws. I've barely heard a peep from Obama on any of the several voter id laws, or any other draconian law, being pursued by these right wing extremists. Is he so afraid of looking like he's protective of minorities that he's willing to allow his own election defeat by not intervening in these draconian laws? These laws are designed to ensure his defeat, and he's too afraid to protect his own interests, you'd think he'd intervene for that reason alone. But I guess not! There's nothing new in what the right is doing all across this country, the difference is there was a left to stand up to them and stop them. WHERE'S THE LEFT!!!!!! WHERE ARE OUR DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS PUSHING BACK AGAINST THIS FASCISM!!!!!
Requiring a photo ID is effectively a poll tax.
I know that the current supreme court disagrees with me. That only adds to my contempt for them.
How many cases of actual voter fraud has Dept of Justice investigated and how many ended up in the convictions of voter fraud,since 1980?
"Ann the Man" Coulter was investigated twice for knowingly voting in the wrong precints, in two different elections and walked both times!
Like any God-Fearing rethuglican and there was no mention of having to produce ID when voting.Therefore...Making any US citizen produce a photo ID when exercising his or her "Right" to vote must be un-constitutional. Any tea-bagger can tell you that.At least there is plenty of time to challenge the law in court.Decent law my ass.
Good Lord Wisconsin, what did you do?? Those republicans look like they came right out of the movie Scarface. They're clearly upset with the recalls and they're desperately doing everything they can to disenfrachise voters before the recalls begin. My god, those republicans looked like prison inmates. Where did you get those people Wisconsin ???????
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