Santorum: LGBT Equality 'Waters Down Marriage'
Less than an hour after same sex marriage became legal in Washington on Monday, Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum was meeting with opponents of the law.
Speaking at Calvary Chapel in Olympia, the former Pennsylvania senator promised about 100 pastors and so-called "values voters" that he would work to repeal marriage equality in the state.
"We have a serious issue about trying to get moms and dads to marry and stay together," Santorum explained. "I don’t see this as encouraging that. I think that at least from my perspective it tends to water down marriage instead of encouraging men and women to form healthy marriages, and that to me should be the objective of the government because that is in the best interests of our society."
The candidate also spoke out about a recent U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decision that overturned the same sex marriage ban in California.
"It’s pretty intolerant to suggest that people have no rational reason to be in favor of this institution that has been the bulwark of society for 235 years," Santorum said, adding that both sides needed to "be respectful."
like helping end poverty and childhood hunger.
Janek
Sometimes I understand where he is coming from even though I in no way agree with him but this doesn't even make a bit of sense. If a gay couple gets married it makes my own marriage less strong? On no it doesn't, Little Ricky. Your marriage might get watered down but mine will not. A good marriage is not threatened by what other do.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Think about if for a sec... specifically, what type of person feels that making gay marriage equal to straight marriage will cause more people to consider the gay option...?
Most people of reason had the little light go on a long time ago, if it was ever off, that it's a simple matter of really, you is or you ain't... granted, I personally think the spectrum of sexual orientation is a little more complex than that binary thought, but damn, if you weren't prior to Marriage Equality being enacted, odds are pretty good you won't be afterward,
And if you were, bless you and go forth and marry! Now you can, at least in an increasing number of states.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Maybe there are a group of gay banditos... who, every night climb into a van and go from village to dell, from community to community. They wander, and as the sun is coming down, just setting over a suburban village, the gays drive in. And there in a cul-de-sac, there in the light of a house, you can see a young American family, sitting down for their evening meal. And those gays... put on their masks and their festive colored robes, and sneak slowly into the house... and begin to FUCK EACH OTHER IN THE ASS! And another American family is destroyed!!
Thank you Lewis. Just...thank you.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Got a buddy of mine out in East Texas that just might try to find that van so he could sign up...
*grin*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
n/t
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Maybe it waters down his sense of sexual identity. We all know how many closet gays are severe republicans.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
If gay people marrying somehow manages to threaten your marriage, it is because you are gay.
thanks for chuckle
You know, I was thinking about Santorum recently and I can't help but wonder if he is gay and in denial. Someone who seems to feel women have overstepped their boundaries by working outside the home and someone who also has a real bur under his saddle about gay people seems to be someone who is very insecure with his own being. He seems to think only straight men are of any real worth. Is he protesting too much? Why would any man be so adamantly against birth control if he respects women and their rights?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
that's a Bingo!
Marriage could be defined as a releationship that ends approx 50% of the time...
and I would bet that the statistics of gay people show stronger unions than that?
I truly believe and have said many times that Santorum must have been jilted by a male lover early in adulthood, perhaps in college and he never got over it. It's one explanation for his obsession with, and his on going vendetta against gay men.
Then look at who he ends up marrying - a women who was so far from what he claims are his core believes as possible. She lived 'in sin' with a man old enough to be her father, a man who was and still is an outspoken crusader for reproductive rights and liberal ideals, ideals that the future Mrs. Santorum embraced. Then she miraculously changed and became this perfect model of Catholic values. I call bull shit on that. Santorum wasn't much of a practicing Catholic either until he started having political ambitions, and I don't believe people can change that much. I believe she and her sexually frustrated husband are religious and moral frauds. How can he be sexually frustrated and still have 7 children? It's possible, we all know it. Anyone can do the deed, you don't have to enjoy it to successfully impregnate a woman, and lets not forget there are mechanical methods that can be used, ie: turkey basters. So, is the Santorum marriage for real or just a political and social convenience?
Santorum has used his so called religious, moral and family values to get elected, make money (and if you look at his finances, he was very successful at feathering his nest) and now he's back, riling up the ignorant masses with absolutely insane statements like comparing birth control to the French revolution and the guillotine. How much longer do we have to listen to this idiot? How far does that dangerous vile man have to go before the pubic and the media (especially the media) say enough?
I want Rick Santorum's body. For medical research.
Interesting, as I've had a similar theory, only in mine he was caught in a homosexual act (nttawwt) in high school or college and has been in mental overdrive ever since, trying to repress it. (See: Haggard, Ted).
I dunno, I was always in agreement with the idea that if you want to know a lot about someone, listen to what they yell the loudest against.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Was reading somewhere that his relatives in Italy are equal parts amused, befuddled and not really too proud of their American cousin... I seem to remember an uncle or great-uncle, or so that was actually a proud member of the Italian Communist Party!
Good times...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
So Santorum thinks the institute of marriage has been around for 235 years.
Guess that says it all.
Why is it that every time I look at Santorum I think of Dan "Mr. Potatoe" Quayle?
Presidential candidate openly calling for the discrimination of Americans.
Does your wife know that you think she is a stupid cow and why is she out of the kitchen with shoes on her feet and not pregnant
of the opinions of anyone who relies for theirs on some invisible guy in outer space? sorry, that would be an insult to my own intelligence.
this whole "watering down marriage" argument has been used as an argument against same-gender marriage for decades now. what i get out of that is the fragility of heterosexual marriage, as an institution, certainly not something that should form the basis of an entire society. this just doesn't strike me as an argument opponents of same-gender marriage really want to be making. as well, opponents of same-gender marriage argue that the institution exists solely for the purpose of procreation. they have no response, when it's pointed out that this would allow marriage only for fertile couples, who intended to have children.
what it boils down to is that they just don't like it, and their irrational position should be sufficient to deny gay people their civil rights.
and i should respect their opinions because?
...when people like Santorum say that "both sides need to be respectful", what they really mean is "the other side needs to siddown, shaddup, and know their place" (by which the right wing means "in the closet" with regard to gays and lesbians).
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Waters down what? I don't even know what that means!
Expanding an institution that, for the most part, encourages committment, support and lifelong love obviously threatens his own marriage and mine...
Well, Slicky, I checked this morning... even after Washington took that wonderful step, my marriage was just peachy...
Maybe it says more about yours than anything else, asshole.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Ya know, I'm married, so I'd like to bask in all the glory and honor that bestows upon me. But, seriously, how desperate to have your ego stroked must you be, to get all revved up by the idea that your relationship with your spouse is the last defensive fortification protecting our very society from disintegration.
Apparently pretty desperate... that really applies to the rest of the list of Republican hopefuls, this pRick is just the furthest extreme of the lot.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
must be sacrificed to preserve the institution of marriage, i think we should start with straight people who want to divorce ... let's institute "till death do us part" for them ... and so that innocent partners don't suffer too much under the new, "unwatered" marriage, we'll probably have to institute the death penalty for adulterers and abusers
Based on some of the dominionists' ideas, that's not so much out of the realm of possiblity... remember, these are people that seem to consider "The Handmaid's Tale" as a how-to manual...
To the comment above about "Taliban with a bad tie," ROFL... but a very expensive suit and a nice car, remember.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Oh, but a fifty percent divorce rate doesn't weaken marriage? Economic stresses don't weaken marriage? Unplanned pregnancies don't weaken marriage?
You know, if they spent as much time actually DOING what Jesus told them to do - feed and clothe the poor, pray, work hard, be virtuous - as they do in worrying stupid stuff like this - which Jesus explicitly told them NOT to do, our country could be a wonderful place to be.
There is only one class in the community that thinks more about money than the rich, and that is the poor. The poor can think of nothing else.--Oscar Wilde
Oh, and it's a contract, not an institution. Get your terminology right. And, being a contract - a legal document - it should NOT be up to the dictates of any religious institution. It's a secular document. I can get married without the church's blessing. And so should my gay friends.
There is only one class in the community that thinks more about money than the rich, and that is the poor. The poor can think of nothing else.--Oscar Wilde
Marriage is primarily a civil affair, not a religious one.
...the flaw in that argument is that the United States was probably the first nation in recorded history -- or certainly one of the first -- which was (at least ideally) intended to be a completely secular one. Throughout most of human history, religion has served as one of the primary foundations of most nations or cultures and has usually been so heavily intertwined with politics that the two have been practically if not literally one and the same -- therefore, the idea of marriage existing purely as a civil institution completely apart from the influence of the church is actually a fairly new one. Unfortunately, two hundred years is not necessarily enough to eradicate more than two thousand years of habit and tradition. For the record, however, I'm of the opinion that the term "marriage" should be regarded as a purely religious status which practitioners should be free to confer according to whatever rules they see fit...but that all people regardless of sexual orientation should have the right and the power to have a legally-recognized union with a partner of their choice.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
at. all.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I kinda used that in a broader sense, in that it's been a part of society in some form for thousands of years... makes it an institution, by my definition.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
But, yes, in the legal sense, I agree completely.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Every time this moron opines about gay marriage, it seems more and more obvious that he's is severely conflicted in his own 'preferences' and views the current legal status of marriage as some sort of last line of defense against a mass migration of straights to gayness.
I need to know how he feels about rape victims being forced to marry their rapists (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)!!!!
that some vigorously anti-gay legislator or religious leader is gay?
i think that a) they need to maintain limitations upon homosexual americans in order discourage themselves from embracing their true selves and, thus, risking their careers, social status, and family relationships, and b) they cannot bear the thought of other gay people getting to freely live full, satisfying lives while they live in the prisons of their own fears and ambitions
Kinda like what they used to say about Larry Hagman after he quit a lifelong smoking habit... he turned into a complete asshole, even going to the point of carrying a little pocket fan with him and shoving it in the face of anyone he saw smoking, even strangers walking down Hollywood Blvd.
Makes one consider ol' Phelp out at Westboro... of course it may have been in his case he was so ugly he had to go out with girls...
But Ricky? You got a purty mouth... *chuckle*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Keep that pre-school candyland mystical moronism flowing...and even a quantum of idiot republicans will come to see that they don't want Catholicism interfering with their exactly-as-dumb snake-handling Baptist philosophy. This election is truly going to bring the mouth breathers out of the woodwork.
The brighter side of Santorum's (and those like him) fantasyland look pretty cute on an old-school Italian Catholic prayer card, but reality just can't find itself able to conform to their fantasies, and they're pretty pissed off about that, obviously.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
shalt not kill"....is pretty watered down these days....
and "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"....dried up long ago...
And they refuse to see that the original meaning was "kill without just cause," i.e., "murder," and they just keep shoveling unjust causes onto the nation's on a daily basis...
I don't know if this makes sense, but it seems a phrase "selective absolutism" might just apply.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
... if one thinks of legal recognition of marriage as a way of privileging people in diff-sex marriages. Same-sex marriage recognition waters down the discrimination that he evidently considers an important part of the institution.
Hey, at least he's "respectful" about wanting to continue to discriminate. It's very important not to be rude about this sort of thing.
Well, yeah, dammit - their definition of it and the real definition of marriage just can't seem to match up... of course their definition is the only right one, though, dontchaknow... /s
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Frothy The Mentally Ill Clown should refrain from speaking about marriage equality and teh Gays until he rids the Catholick church of the child molesters. I'm pretty sure that's fucking up a bunch of future marriages in a big way.
And if marriage is so sacrosanct why do the Cathaholics ban priests and nuns from getting married?
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
And, by extension, all the rest of the apartments in that big ol' building called Christianity...
All the "pastors," "teachers," youth "leaders" with dark desires for both males AND females under their care...
And thank you so much to Excelsior for her reminder that it ain't just altar BOYS getting raped and assaulted, and, while not a great majority of these men (and women) of the cloth, but a large enough number to scream that something's seriously wrong, with the added unbelievable outrage of the covering up of that shit under some belief about not airing their dirty laundry around "unbelievers."
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
"It’s pretty intolerant to suggest that people have no rational reason to be in favor of this institution that has been the bulwark of society for 235 years," Jefferson Davis said about the slavery issue, adding that both sides needed to "be respectful."
"It’s pretty intolerant to suggest that people have no rational reason to be in favor of this institution that has been the bulwark of society for 235 years," Gov. Wallace said about the segregation issue, adding that both sides needed to "be respectful."
"It’s pretty intolerant to suggest that people have no rational reason to be in favor of this institution that has been the bulwark of society for 235 years," Torquemada said about the burning of heretics, adding that both sides needed to "be respectful."
"It’s pretty intolerant to suggest that people have no rational reason to be in favor of this institution that has been the bulwark of society for 1,235 years," said the Pope, affirming his aherence to the Ptolemaic model of the universe, adding that both sides needed to "be respectful."
"It’s pretty intolerant to suggest that people have no rational reason to be in favor of this institution that has been the bulwark of society for centuries," said Caesar about the crucifixion of political enemies like this Jesus fellow, adding that both sides needed to "be respectful."
Phooey.
OK, OK... but completely missing the forest for the trees... you say "potato," I say "potahtoe"...
For me the word institution rolls off the tongue a little easier than "a social and legal contract that, while it has taken various forms over history, it's been a part of humanity since the beginning," don't you think?
*smile*
Whether or not you want to focus on a nitpicky interpretation of a specific descriptive word is really irrelevant.
Tha fact remains that mutually beneficial, loving adult human relationships have existed ever since humanity dawned, and the legal recognition of a mutual commitment and the assumption of responisibilities going with that has been around in some form almost as long.
So, yeah... "institution."
Nyah, nyah, nyah.
*chuckle*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Of course mutually beneficial, loving adult human relationships have existed, etc. And people have been punished for them, when they went beyond the bounds of the accepted "institution", for an equally-long time.
My point is that people have used Santorum's exact argument to defend entrenched systems long past the systems' ability to sustain themselves. It's a ridiculous thing to say, and if that facile argument is the best he has to offer he deserves the ridicule.
Oh yeah, I'm not arguing the point...
I fully agree... just that while there are times to focus on accuracy in terminology and definitions, I kinda think this ain't one of 'em...
Let's not focus on an argument over whether I think the term is "color" and you think it's "the perception a particular wavelength of visible light."
To major on the minor at this point is rather like having one's foot nailed to the floor and complaining they can't quit walking in circles... and not likely to have much chance of moving forward, y'know?
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
If I did make a spurious distinction somewhere, it was entirely unintentional, and I apologize. I was only aiming at the emptiness of his statement as a defense of... well, anything.
Agree wholeheartedly...
I find myself having to bite my fingers sometimes to avoid being a spelling or grammar nazi, or, as is more like me and more likely to piss folks off, a logic nazi.
I was really just kinda trying to help you and me both to go back to what the real issue is, and we can have a grand old time slinging etymology when there's a time that the real issue isn't quite so important.
*smile*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Come on guys, concentrate on the issues not personal opinions of right and wrong, moral or immoral,let that stuff to the muffin heads.
Maybe if political leaders worry more about jobs and leading the country and less about this kind of stuff America would have as many problems as it does.
"We have a serious issue about trying to get moms and dads to marry and stay together," Santorum explained. "I don’t see this as encouraging that. I think that at least from my perspective it tends to water down marriage instead of encouraging men and women to form healthy marriages, and that to me should be the objective of the government because that is in the best interests of our society." So is he saying he wants to divorce his wife and marry some guy? Secondly how is smaller Government going to handle encourage healthy marriage?
He, and those like him are perfectly logical about it, in a formal logic sort of way... if their original premise is true and if it's a good thing to espouse then their premise is a good thing.
Of course by that same sort of thinking, one could plug in all sorts of things... which result in such hells as "Since Jews are rapacious swindlers, and rapacious swindlers should be destroyed, then Jews should be destroyed.," and other equally horrific mindsets.
He has his fantasy world, equally shared by entirely too many people, but they are in a much better position to make their dominionist wet-dreams to such a degree that the Grand Inquisitor himself would stand in awe.
Chilling, frustrating and the height of outrageous.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
getting "moms" and "dads" to marry? so ricky's concern is centered around the effects of gay marriage on out-of-wedlock couples who may or may not get married? or is ricky substituting "moms" for "women" and "dads" for "men"? and, if so, is that how he views adults?
dicky
Yeah its called divorce, as in over 50% of heterosexual marriage ends in divorce - if you don't know ask Newt.
You ChristoLizards have done a great job at the nurturing of marriage.
What a pack of fucking hypocrites you slithering creep are.
God vomits at the mere thought of you.
No offense, I hope.
Ignorance is parent to religion.
Religion is parent to Hate.
Remember Matthew Shepard:
http://vimeo.com/fuksnickityClam/matthew
And the loudest of 'em has done such a great job of being such lovely examples for their flocks, or sheeple.
*spit*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
"If we allow gays and lesbians to marry, then they won't be second-class citizens anymore...and we can't have that!"
Santorum is nothing more than a member of the society's dominant group -- a white heterosexual male -- protesting the fact that his group's status is no longer an inviolate and unquestioned fait accompli.
Predictable, Ricky...predictable, trite, and lame.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Goes along with the "one true faith" bullshit that's infested humankind for, like... forever... any argument against being the top and only dog is being persecuted... It sucks supremely when an insecure, constantly threatened, constantly fearful meme becomes the dominant way to be, but there it is.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Santorum clearly doesn’t' understand the Constitution of the United States, and for a former senator that is scary. But, no President can remove, abolish or stop the enforcement of a state law that is not in violation of a federal law. As there is no law banning same sex marriage there ain't jack shyt he can do, but lie to the voters promising fantasies.
They're pretty damned selective about what federal laws they really love, and which ones they prefer to ignore...
e.g., marriage equality and medical cannabis, if not outright legalization.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
is divorce.
Why aren't you working on ending the right to divorce then - Rick?
What, too unpopular? Too controversial? Might hurt your chances at being supreme leader?
First they ignore us..then they ridicule us..now they are feeding us chicken crap- sign my petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/fda-stop-feed...
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He's never been divorced, so he really doesn't have any understanding...
Going with that, he seems to have quite a bit to say about what he thinks it means to be "gay"...
Things that make ya go hmmmmm.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
The alternative to water is Santorum. OK. Got it.
Erg...
Was going to go grab a bite... maybe now, not so much...
*chuckle*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
is most often when the 'man' decides he'd like to have a few other women on the side (and, I know married women do that, too).
I didn't read each/all of the comments to this point, but I did see where some conjecture Ricky is a major league hypocrite about gays/gay marriage is because he may be gay or had some bad experience in his past. Could be, no one knows.
I think the real reason he harps on this issue is because he's just a sociopathic HYPOCRITE, per se. Take his marriage, for instance. He was willing to overlook everything about Karen's past when he married her - and she was a major league marriage waterdowner! Spent her 20's shacked up with a divorced doctor 35 year older than she, who also happened to be an Ob/Gyn who performed abortions.
Ricky was willing to overlook all of that when they were betrothed - so, I'm guessing Santorum really is Gawd, as he has performed a miracle in recreating Karen as and angelic, xian, homeschooling goddess.
Not likely - he's just a greedy, power-hungry, sociopathic, lying, hypocrite like all the other Repukes. He wants to direct and control everyone else's life and not be held accountable for the crap in his own life.
This is why us Pennsylvanians worked so hard to get him out of the Senate in '06.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
and willful ignorance... and there's obviously a fair-sized chunk of our fellow citizens that agree with him, which is all the creepier at best.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Give them the White House and these boy-diddling creeps will go all medieval on us.
Can't have that.
Ignorance is parent to religion.
Religion is parent to Hate.
Remember Matthew Shepard:
http://vimeo.com/fuksnickityClam/matthew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCzXXlMHZ8Y
And ask, "So, what would you say to Rep. Walsh, sir? How is she wrong?"
I wonder if some back in the day some said "biracial marriage waters down marriage?" I mean, if you're going to let whites and n$##^*s get married, why even bother with it?
I'm starting to hope this guy gets the nomination just to see how bad he acutally loses to Obama. Although every time I hear him speak I want to jab an icepick into my temple. Our men and women are fighting against a would-be theocracy in the Middle East, and he wants to start one here.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
They start with the original thinking that their original premises are "They're true! That book says they are, and that book's never wrong 'cause it says it's never wrong." no matter what the book...
Everything flows from there.
Especially (oog) Santorum.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Right. The guy who regularly accuses people of wanting to screw their household pets thinks people should treat each other "respectfully".
Much like the playground bully that cries "Pax" when a victim strikes back.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
excuse me, but straight men of all colors who won't
commit to marriage and/or indiscriminately will stick their unprotected
dicks in everything they can and procreate at random,
are the real threat to "MARRIAGE". they are the bastards
that water down marriage. the LGBT portion of American
society are the ones who are adopting a lot of these
unwanted births.
Don't blame it all on the men. Without someplace to put it you can't make a baby and you can't put in unless its consensual. And in all honesty, that behavior as you well know is not limited to str8 men.
to men, period ... rates of marital infidelity for women are not much lower than men's
Where are these women of which you speak?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
...that's one of the reasons why it's so important for women to stand up for themselves, insist upon the freedom and power to choose whether or not they will become pregnant when they have sex, and use their heads as well as their hearts (and/or other portions of their anatomy!) when evaluating a man as a potential sexual/romantic partner. Whether we like it or not, the fact remains that one of the reasons why men take advantage of women is because women (often without consciously realizing it) make it possible for them to do so and provide them with the opportunity. As an example, if you discover that a man whom you find attractive has already fathered children with several different women -- and especially if he isn't helping to support them! -- then if you simply can't find the willpower to resist his charms (even though you'd be better off avoiding him), you should at the very least make absolutely certain that you use more than one form of contraception.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
And equally as important that those of us born without uteri, if we won't be supportive, to shut the hell up and get the hell out of the way.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
...pretty much!
(Thanks, by the way...it's encouraging to have my statement seconded by a member of the opposite sex. I haven't heard that nearly as often as I would like.)
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Hey, we're not all knuckle-dragging troglodytes...
Just some of us... *chuckle*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Can't tell you how much I found I was influenced early in life by the sayings of Lazarus Long, if not Bob Heinlein as himself, rest hs black, flabby perverted old soul...
*grin*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
for how many of those 235 years did marriage entail the wife's complete submission to the husband's will? For how many of those 235 years did a woman's marital status determine what activities she could engage in, what options she had to earn her own sustenance, or even with whom she could be seen walking down the street? For how many of those 235 years was marriage a legal contract which bestowed the woman's fortune and inheritance upon the man and make her an extension of him, no longer recognized as a (lesser) person in her own right, giving him the legal right to spend her money as he saw fit? For how many of those 235 years did marriage mean that a woman no longer had the right to determine what could and could not be done to her body, but instead left those decisions up to her husband?
It's almost like we have periodically redefined marriage in keeping with society's evolving belief of the rights of ALL individuals to be treated equally.
Kingdom Tower
Santorum would like nothing more than to go back to the days when women were pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen being obedient. Even though Santorum is being the most vocal about it have you noticed all of the wives of the republicans are treated more like window dressing than life partners. Some of the views on women Santorum makes his wife has no say about them, in public or private as his dutiful wife.
Notice their hostility to women's reproductive rights- Radical Christians, Muslims and Jews feel marriage should be an institution where a wife is little more than a slave to a husband. Women are seen as breeding stock, nothing more. So the idea of a marriage where women are not made subservient to men offends the religious nuts to the core.
Liberal Massachusetts was the first state to legalize gay marriage, yet has the lowest divorce rate in the country.
States that are run by rapture right Republicans in contrast have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and divorce.
So,,,,,how does gay marriage weaken the institution of marriage?
Every single time a Republican goes on and on about equal rights for gays, we find out they are closeted gays themselves. It is like a law of nature. Strait men cannot possibly care what other men are doing as long as they are "poaching" their women.
afraid he might be in the closet?
His points make NO SENSE in the realm of reality or science...
Maybe he is having those quiet room doubts!
marriage if it gets watered down when some one else gets married.
Of course his attraction to his wife would be less diluted if he quit obsessing about what homosexuals do together.
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