Santorum: Abortions Only 'Traumatize' Rape Victims
Appearing at the Iowa Republican presidential debate Thursday, Rick Santorum advocated for outlawing abortions even in the case of rape because "one violence is enough."
"Would you allow no exceptions for cases of rape on incest?" Fox News host, Byron York asked. "Polls have shown that large majorities of Americans support some exceptions for abortion. Are your views too much, even for many conservatives to support?"
"That child is an innocent victim," Santorum replied. "To be victimized twice would be a horrible thing. It is an innocent human life, genetically human from the moment of conception. We in America should be big enough to try to surround ourselves and help women in those terrible situations who have been traumatized already. To put them through another trauma of an abortion, I think is too much to ask. So I would absolutely stand and say that one violence is enough."
What the hell. Let's just give the white house over to Ricky and Missy and see how long it takes for the 40% or so of Amerikans who claim to believe in "conservative" values, etc. to start screaming bloody murder as their pathetic little prerogatives start getting trampled under the messianic delusions of "American Exceptionalism"!
As opposed to giving birth and raising the child?
People, like Santorum, who use generalizations as their main argument are foolish (though basically that's what I guess I just did). Some women are traumatized by abortion. Not everyone is.
I'm traumatized just thinking about Santorum.
As opposed to being forced into giving birth and raising the child?
FIFY. Because that's what he's advocating
me-oww!
Santorum is a cold-blooded, cruel a-hole IMHO.
He has so little empathy with women and children that he just cannot manage to wrap that brain of his around the idea of the impact there would be on the woman and the child??
The hate? The child abuse? The neglect? You name it.
Aggghhhh!!!!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
You know, I've NEVER met a woman who was "traumatized" by abortion. NEVER. Most of the women I've known who had abortions were RELIEVED.
Men can believe whatever they want about the fetus and life and all that. But they should
SHUT
THE FUCK
UP
about what women go through. Unless you've actually HAD this procedure, you know nothing about what it does or doesn't do to a person's mind and life, and that goes DOUBLE if you CANNOT have one, i.e., if you're male. Yammer all you want about god and all the rest of it, but keep your bullshit assumptions and asshole paternalistic TRIPE away from what WE go through, thank you very much.
Oh, and one more thing...FROTHY!!
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Well said!
The women I know who had abortions, did so after painstaking insight and consideration....not like the GOP would like one to believe, as a matter of birth control..... but it was what best for them, a very personal, very traumatic decision to make..... but they knew raising a child, or even the high cost of bearing the child to put up for adoption, was not an option. Women should always be allowed to make that choice without the interference of government!
It's possible. I knew a woman who had an abortion and very quickly got pregnant again with the same man and then had the baby. If she didn't feel bad about the abortion then I imagine she would have had another one. You can argue that women are made to feel guilty for having abortions.
Personally? If you really don't want to have a child then you probably won't feel guilty about having an abortion. A lot of women though grow up playing with dolls and on some level want to have a baby even if it means having to raise it themselves. Choice goes both ways: if they decide they want to have the baby and raise it themselves they should do so. Statistically though it's better for a child if they have two parents: that there is probably a valid reason FOR abortion, as much as I hate to admit it. Hey, mature adults can't argue against valid statistics. It's just the way it is.
Is Santorum for real? By his logic, providing an abortion for a rape victim is cruel.
My questions for Rick Santorum are "Do you think is it okay for the rape victim to bear a child that was forcibly conceived?" and "Don't you think having a rape victim raise a child that was forcibly conceived will not be traumatic for her?"
Man, he is such an idiot!
no rape victim has an abortion by their own choice. They only have them because the government rips he fetus forcibly from their wombs and they are unable to prevent it, hence they are victims of violence twice.
What the heck are you talking about?
Did Operation Rescue tell you that "The Government" rips babies out of uterus's?
There's a huge manure pile in my back yard from our horse. You are as full of it as the pile.
Dude, apparently your Sarcasm Detector is not functioning.
Sarcasm.
You're snarking.
I get it now. Sorry!
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Poe's law dude...
Sounded rather foreign to my ears. Is the use of this word as a singular noun correct, if awkward?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
since it requires me to believe that arresting, cuffing , detaining and imprisoning an abortion provider includes nothing that could be called violence.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
It is unwise to trust spell check as I know only too well.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Thank you. :-)
Spoken by the man who brought his and his wife's dead baby home from the hospital for some quality time with the other kids. I bet that wasn't traumatic at all.
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I like how Santorum's notion that rape victims are being "put through" an abortion. It's the rape victims who are trying to secure their right to choose an abortion. I wasn't aware that they had abortions forced on them!
For them, keeping the baby is being "put through" something. Yet, all the geniuses nod and cheer in agreement.
Tm use the term "Geniuses" in that perjorative form is an insult to smart people. I like to think that smart folks have more intellegence than that.
You really have no Sarcasm Meter at all, have you?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
who signed a pledge that asserted that blacks were better off under slavery than they are now. What can one say of the audience but that, when Santorum entered the room, the average IQ went up.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
the average I.Q. went DOWN, yes?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
the audience was actually dumber than Santorum. It stretches credulity to the limit, I know, but when all other possibilities are eliminated whatever is left, however unlikely...but I'm sure you know the rest.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
If men like him got pregnant and had to deliver and take care of these presious wonders, the question of abortion would be moot.
The only reason this subject goes on is because the abuse of women by other women. The only men that really give a crap couldn't get sex if they tried to pay for it. The only real sex they get is off hand, in the shower. If they shower.
Anyone want to take a bet on how many abortions there are in Ricky's immediate family? I'll bet it's more than one. The odds are in my favor. All the help and support until the birth. Then the mother and the child are crap, to be treated as such and set to living in a hell of their (Ricky's) own making.
The only reason this subject goes on is because the abuse of women by other women.
What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I think she's talking about the Stockholm Syndrome-like way that conservative women vote against women's rights.
Good Lord...can the republicons really be this dumb-ass stupid? This guy is a joke...a joke that a million or two other jokes take seriously.
I listened to the debate, and it was chuck full of stupid remarks and unchallenged lies. I love watching Cain, and listening to him talk. Has he got a mouth for of cotten or something? Oh, how I'd love to listen to him everyday from the White House.
We truly are a nation of butt stupid morons. That stage proved it last night.
Like dragging a stillborn's body home and making the kids kiss it isn't traumatising? Did you ever read Sybil, asshole?
What does a creep like this know about anyone's feelings, much less the feelings of a rape victim, impregnated by the attack, who is seeking an abortion, [or any subset that makes up her whole]? Obviously, none whatsoever.
me-oww!
Then when one of his kids turns into a baby-fetish serial killer, he'll be totally taken by surprise.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Doesn't he know that even the right wing nuts don't believe that canard anymore.
Santorum spouting talking points that didn't work for him the first time around.
Hey Rick, why don't you finally pick a home state, take up real residence there and....dip dip dip dip...dip...dip....boom boom boom boom boom boom....GET A JOOOOOOOOOOB!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
The right wing in this country has done a masterful, fantastic, and almost complete job of loading American minds with such a mountain of misinformation. There isn't a subject anyone can bring up that has not been corrupted to the point where my head wants to explode when I hear the crap that spews out of people mouths in place of real, truthful information. They have made these people on stage, who should not be allowed to be more than subjects of ridicule as completely unfit for any kind of public office, somehow acceptable to millions of American voters for the office of President of the United States. Unless things change quickly, the war is over, the United States has lost to the United States of Corporations. The people who vote Republican are volunteering to be powerless worker bees, one paycheck away for starvation and homelessness and are happy as can be lose everything for promotion and well being of the ruling elite.
He's a reactionary authoritarian, but at least he's candid.
One day Rick Santorum said, "Blib blib blib. Blib blib. Bliblibbliblblib!"
A passerby responded, "Shut the fuck up, Santorum, you worthless sack of blowfish shit. You are dumb and nobody cares what you think."
The End
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
of blowfish shit"!?! That not what my google search sez.
"I've never pictured Hell as a place of fire, sulfur and demons with pitchforks, I've always imagined it as a place of excess and broken dreams and hopes."
Turn up safe search.
you both lol'd me.
Thanks!
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Life at conception, huh, Ricky? So should we be charging women that drink or use drugs while pregnant with child abuse? Or those that smoke? What if the mother (or the father with the mother in the car) gets in a car accident that causes irreperable damage to the fetus? What if the ebryo or fetus dies as a result of thier actions? Is that a death penalty offense, or would that be infringing on the "God given" freedom of choice of the mother, since now she wouldn't be allowed to smoke while pregnant?
Santorum already has a good definition, but maybe Rick should be redefined as something like, "that feeling you get when you see someone arrogantly and patronizingly skrew another person they don't begin to understand."
women of my mom's generation drank and smoked regularly; I know mine did. Should she be prosecuted retroactively?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Well, if any adverse health conditions you experience can be traced back to her activities while you were in utero, I guess so.
Hell, I think my religious indoctrination, as mild as it was, probably did more damage... ;)
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
And to this day, when I'm around smokers I feel at ease. The psychological effect of being at ease puts me in a 'comfort' state which lowers blood pressure, strengthens my immune system,and finely tunes my body to heal the harmful effects brought about by the smoke I inhaled as a kid.
Sounds crazy- but to me- smoke is like incense. My mom smoked- and she still does at 86- but no more than five a day..ever.
God I love smokers... they remind me of 'home.'
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would put women in jail for having miscarriages.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
"It is an innocent human life, genetically human from the moment of contraception."????
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LOL!
How far will these jeebus freaks take this nonsense? Now there's something human that results from "contraception"?
Maybe it's immaculate contraception?
Since when is this freak the arbiter of what's traumatic to rape victims? What information does he have?
WHAT A WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT DOUCHE.
Rick Santorum spends too much time with his head up other peoples arses...
When you can crap a bowling ball out of your ass then and only then can you talk about womens rights and abortion
it's time all the anti-abortion bastards get their due and
that is, if no more abortions, then every one who does not
want the child deliver the infant to the anti-abortion bastards for adoption
of all these preventable pregnancies into their OWN HOMES.
i am sure they will receive all the love they deserve......NOT !!!
if the gop/teabaggers can't make a dollar off their delusions, the
screw EVERYONE. if the gop/teabaggers love children so much,
why are they trying to take away education, food and medical care
from them?
to anyone who yammers anti-choice nonsense at me, "So how many kids have you adopted?"
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I disagree with this approach. Please hear me out.
It doesn't resolve the fundamental issues of bodily autonomy and right to liberty for women. Consider this basic premise:
No one is entitled to use a woman's reproductive organs when she objects.
The anti-choice domestic terrorists disagree with this premise. They will (and do) argue that it is acceptable to use a woman's reproductive organs when she objects if it serves some purpose of the state, other individual, or religious ideology. In effect, their position on this issue supports both the rapist and the intrusion of a z/e/f. Using adoption as the "resolution" to this issue, if I may use a bad analogy, is sort of like saying, "it's ok to rape a woman as long as someone else promises to provide intercourse to the rapist at some future date."
Similarly, those who ask, "are you going to provide prenatal and medical care, food, and housing for women with unwanted pregnancies?" Consider that and then the idea that, "slavery wasn't a bad thing if the slave owners treated their "property" well." Where have we heard that before?
What I'm trying to get at here is: what is your underlying guiding principle on the issue and does your argument support it? Please consider this food for thought.
Peace.
It isn't, and wasn't originally about 'choice' from the beginning. It has always been about the 'right to privacy'.
The pro-life movement framed the issue as being pro-life (good) or anti-life (bad)
And instead of holding strong to the message of privacy (which affects everyone) The pro-choice movement lost the privacy issue, which had a broader reach.
It needs to become a privacy issue again. By doing so it wipes away the entire argument about abortion being about life.
The right to privacy is about all of us.
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'Pro-life' is more of their framing, which you demonstrate. They are anti-choice, anti-privacy. Other than that, I agree.
me-oww!
Good thoughts.
This is about more than a right to privacy. It's also about whether or not an American citizen has a right to determine who uses their body, how, and when. Does the state have a legitimate claim to assigning the use of your body to others despite your objections and regardless of what physical harm is done to you as a result?
For all the rightwing bluster about totalitarianism, they continue to personify and support the worst excesses of a totalitarian state. Santorum is a good example of this here: he is asserting that women should not have the power to terminate their pregnancies because he thinks "it traumatizes them." He does not care what individual women feel or think about their own circumstances, or whether or not being forced to gestate a rapist's offspring is more traumatic than a minor medical procedure. He asserts, through his position, that the state should decide for you what you think and then asserts state control over you using this state-defined criteria.
Americans have been giving the appearance of relinquishing their right to privacy for years. Exhibit A: The Patriot Act continues.
Peace.
He knows all this from personal experience???
far left loon >.<
Dip Shit.
You are not putting them through a trauma. They are asking to be able to be put through a trauma. Watching you on the Tee Vee is trauma that I would not wish to be put through. Idiot.
By the way, how is the fund raising going?
forbid someone should rape and knock up any or all
his daughters, you will see him seek private abortions
for ALL of his daughters. reality will trump his fantasy
everytime and especially if it hits home.
a man who will tie a dog to the roof of his car for a
family trip, will not practice what he preaches if it's
his own family..........
You got that right. The christian theocrats have this idea that the draconian laws they want enacted don't/won't apply to them.
It's ok if they do it, but not ok for the hoi polloi.
I want Rick Santorum's body. For medical research.
Actually I think the rape is the reason for the trauma.
Haven't you been paying attention? Women are raped because they entice men with their lewd bodies and so are punished because they are wanton sluts. Women should never ever have sex at all except to service the men that own them. Anything else, including rape, is a sin that she will be punished for - preferably with stoning, but America is a godless communist country that abandoned JAYSUS a long time ago, so we have barbaric laws that actually punish the MEN instead of the women, can you imagine?
/sarcasm <--- just in case ol' icesailor up there DOESN'T GET THE JOKE
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
...by the fact that Santorum looks like a simpleton. Truly, the cover of this book does not lie.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
# of times Rick Santorum has been raped: I'm going to guess zero.
# of times Rick Santorum has had an abortion: Again, gonna have to go with zero.
Rick, you need to STFU. You know precisely ZERO about women's experiences.
The Republican party needs to be openly and continually mocked for this crazy-off one-upsmanship about abortion. Five years ago, the idea that rape victims should not be allowed an abortion was so fringe that no one would suggest it for fear of being run out of town on a rail. And now you've got McCain making scare quotes about women's "health" in the debate, and you've got most of the Republican candidates openly promoting the idea of women being forced to bear and raise their rapist's babies.
FUCK.
THAT.
SHIT.
I'm not sure what the next step after "not even in the case of rape/incest" is. I assume it's just mandatory birthing centers for all women under the age of 35 unless their husband can pay to keep her out.
Dig up a movie called Rain Without Thunder (only released on VHS). It came out in 1993, and it will show you EXACTLY what the next steps will be and where this country is headed. The critics sneered at it when it came out and said it was a "screed", but damn if it hasn't been right on course with what's happened to women's rights since then. We'll probably end up at the movie's situation much SOONER than it predicted, in fact.
Really, find it. You won't be sorry.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
The usual Rethug bullshit from someone who will NEVER EVER EVER have to have an abortion.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Why was he not asked why it was ok for his wife to have an abortion in October 1996, freakin Hypocrite should not be allowed to breed
The same group of people who turned healthcare reform into 'obamacare' (purposefully maligned) and are trying to do away with provisions for pre-natal care and young children are more concerned about unborn children then they are about the ones walking among us. I guess it's up to the religious right until the woman delivers the child then she's on her own. And not being from a christian based religion it's even more confusing to me as this is pretty much exclusive to the catholic/christian strains of religion (making abortion a political issue) and the people who say the government should stay out of our lives are the same ones that want to create laws controlling people's bodies. Good times! You can tell elections are rolling around as here comes the religous right candidates. How many other countries would take seriously a presidential candidate who held a christian prayer rallies to try to resolve environmental and economic issues?
Imagine being forced to carry a rapist's baby. For nine months you'd be wondering if the baby would get your eyes or the rapist's (etc.). Nice, and no trauma there. (major snark/)
Compassionate conservatism, my ass.
far left loon >.<
has this asshat ever been raped and impregnated????????
I would imagine the abortion would be traumatic...but the rape even more so....
sheesh...
Isn't wonderful, we have all of these republican politicians that are all knowing. I feel so lucky to be in their presence! Why we have nothing to worry about…these people know everything there is to know about anything. They can tell you how you feel, what you think, what is good for you, what you should like, how to live, when to speak, why they even know how god judges you.
I don’t know about you…but that sure makes me feel better.
I think the only American "big enough to try to surround ourselves," is Gov. Christie.
So the child he and his wife aborted, which was not a product of rape or incest, didn't suffer trauma? You want to talk about elitism. Mrs Santorum can have an abortion but no one else can.
Santorum and his wife rationalize
theirher abortion as a 'special' case that no other woman will ever, ever face and thus isn't entitled to.I am str8, Pro-Choice, Pro Civil Rights, Pro Human Rights, Pro Gay Marriage, Pro Separation of Church and State, Pro America, I am Progressive.
I thought the overall theme of the "debate" was that they all know perfectly well what the majority of the American public want and they solemnly promise if elected to do the opposite!
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
but I'm getting SICK AND TIRED of listening to these M F'n buffoons preaching about how I should think and act. How's that old Jonathan Edwards song go... "he can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he'll run mine"?
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
that Frothy's mother is so ashamed of what her spawn has become that she's seeking permission for a retroactive abortion.
according to Rick Santorum since he has a plan for those babies God loves rapists.
Well, of course gawd loves rapists. They are his children. he created them. In fact, he loves them more than the folks he kills during natural disasters. Go figure.
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
For Santorum, the mother does not count.... Santorum = Taliban: If you're raped, you can then spend the rest of your life remembering the rapist every time you see your child. Wow. This man should be stuffed and put in a museum of medieval ideas.
what he doesn't get is that if a girl or woman is forced to maintain the pregnancy and have the baby, then the rapist has a legal right to be involved in the child's life, and therefore in the mother's life. http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/04/10...
Santorum is NOT a man who gives a hoot about women's and children's welfare.
I am str8, Pro-Choice, Pro Civil Rights, Pro Human Rights, Pro Gay Marriage, Pro Separation of Church and State, Pro America, I am Progressive.
You know what traumatizes me? Rick Bloody Santorum. Gosh, that man makes my skin crawl.
I want Rick Santorum's body. For medical research.
He's a man. In this case he will never know the terror of being raped at the age of 9 or 10 and in terror of having been made pregnant and the mental gymnastics of how to avoid having a baby that finally end with the decision to hang oneself or slice one's wrists or swallow poison and die before one's pregnancy & shame becomes obvious.
I am str8, Pro-Choice, Pro Civil Rights, Pro Human Rights, Pro Gay Marriage, Pro Separation of Church and State, Pro America, I am Progressive.
I believe in free enterprise. I believe in free trade.
That being said, I think Republicans are idiots.
Where abortion is concerned, in principle I disagree with it. Why? Because I was adopted. My birth mother was 16. Should I feel grateful to her for not killing me? To me, having me just seems the right thing to do.
That being said, let's make no mistake, it's often men who want their girlfriends to have abortions. Why? Because they don't want the responsibility of a child and almost certainly do not want to get married just for appearances.
Then there are men who will pressure their girlfriends to keep the child even when she doesn't want it. Maybe she wasn't raped but that doesn't mean she wanted to have a baby. A lot of people use contraception and still get pregnant. So... what then? They have to follow through and have the kid when they aren't ready?
I might not like it, personally, but it should be the mother's choice either way. Oh but then there are valid medical reasons for not having a late term abortion: my wife had a miscarriage one time when she was five months pregnant and she lost so much blood she might as well have had the baby.
I'm guessing that Ricky doesn't believe that the rape victim is in a constant state of trauma for the nine months she has to carry the bastard child...
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