Graham: Don't leave attack on Iran to Israel
By David Sunday Oct 04, 2009 9:00am
Sen. Lindsey Graham believes the US should shoulder the responsibility of attacking Iran if an attack is necessary. An attack by the US is preferable to an an attack by Israel, according to Graham.
"I think an Israeli attack on Iran is a nightmare for the world, because it will rally the Arab world around Iran and they're not aligned now. It's too much pressure to put on Israel," Graham told Fox News' Chris Wallace Sunday.
He continued, "Military action should be the last resort anyone looks at, and I would rather our allies and us take military action if it's necessary."
But Graham doesn't think an attack should be limited to airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. "If we use military action against Iran, we should not only go after their nuclear facilities. We should destroy their ability to make conventional war. They should have no planes that can fly and no ships that can float," said Graham.
Sen. Saxby Chambliss agrees. "The problem with military action also is that you're probably not going to be able to stop the production of uranium by just a simple airstrike. Lindsey's right. It's an all or nothing deal. And is it worth that at this point in time when we know they have the capability. We can slow them down, but a full-out military strike is what it would take," said Chambliss.
John Amato:
These warmongers are in their element in this clip. It's bad enough that members of Congress are talking about attacking Iran on national TV. Have they ever seen a country they wouldn't like to blow up? Not only do they want to strike the possible nuke sites, but want to engage in all out warfare regardless of how many civilians were to be killed. They forget to mention how the Arab world would feel about us if we were to strike Iran too. Do they think they would be putting America at risk for their Iran war fantasies? And do they honestly believe American would side with these Neocon war hawks that would actually put us in a third front?
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it would be infinitely better if the entire Muslim world were lined up against the US rather than Israel. This dude Graham is a real problem solver isn't he?
to those of you on the SNL thread that regret supporting Obama you might consider how much better the situation would be if McCain were president. You'd be going for the record for most simultaneous wars right now.
Personally i've never been a McCain man nor have i ever espoused the Republican political philosophy. But i will say this about McCain, presidential candidates say a lot of outrageous things in the process of running and they honestly never have any intentions of follow through once they actually have the power to do so. I liked mcCain's soft spoken manner (i know that's heresy on this blog) but in truth, i feel that he was and is basically a good man, a bit miguided if you will because he is still a kool-aid drinker and his judgement is really under question after his selection of running mate palin although it's not really known whether he was pressured into that.
as i said, i'm not a McCain man and i don't embrace any of the republican philosophy. I voted for Obama, but in light of his recent decisions, i really am rethinking that one. He absolutely turned into bush light and with his fighting force of Nancy and Harry by his side, he really is a formidable (joke-joke) force.
also has a temper and a broad streak of Republican know-nothingism. I doubt he has yet to figure out the difference between Shia and Sunni.
i've seen it surface now and again.
Republicans beleive that all republicans are above board and a straight shooters , but nothing can be farther from he truth...
Just how do republicans and McCain receive a name for being honest and have a good word when he is as corrupted as they get...Here are a couple of deceitful acts of the straight shooter McCain..
*******http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/22/mccain-the-antilobbyis_n_87941.htmlMcCain.. The 'Anti-Lobbyist' Who Works With Lobbyists
Times published a story suggesting that McCain might have done legislative favors for the clients of the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, who worked for the firm of Alcalde & Fay. One example it cited were two letters McCain wrote in late 1999 demanding that the Federal Communications Commission act on a long-stalled bid by one of Iseman's clients, Florida-based Paxson Communications, to purchase a Pittsburgh television station.*****
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http://www.montereyherald.com/ci_10703347?ncl...
McCain aided developer's bargain-price purchase of Fort Ord land*****
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics...
McCain and Team Have Many Ties to Gambling Industry ******
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/sour...
A video on this on following web site....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZSBawx1QuA
McCain Ape Rape Joke Recalled By Sources*****
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http://tribes.tribe.net/politicaljunkies/thre...
reading about McCain's POW years and nefarious activities since****
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http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/03/12/mccain-stif...
McCain Stiffs U.S. Workers, Helps Europeans Win Air Tanker Deal.*****
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http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/article...
McCain's Voting Record: He Does Not Support Our Troops and Veterans
I'm sure palin is used to simultaneous paroxysms at the same time.
"In the 1960s, during the Vietnam War, Chambliss received five student deferments while attending the University of Georgia and the University of Tennessee College of Law and was also given a medical deferment (1-Y) for bad knees due to a football injury."
Enuff said.
being conducted by the US against sovereign Muslim nations? Why would "the Arab world" have a problem with that?
I live in South Carolina. We have rampant unemployment. Why is this clown consentrating on Iran, when his own home state is in a mild depression.
Graham also told us that Iraq had nuclear weapons and we know that was a lie. Now he is carrying the water for the Israeli Lobby and their desire to overthrow another oil rich country.
Do you see a pattern developing here?
Germany did with that three-front war...
GAWD is on our side! It's a croosade!
We can be Richard the Lion - Hearted!
What?!? Richard the First was gay?!?
crap.
Crap. But, he, unlike Graham, was out of the closet. But, gay or not, them Repugs sure does like them some war, don't they? (as long as they or theirs don't have to fight in them)
The concept of 'BLOWBACK' would require something far more extreme than just attacking and destroying all conventional warfare means....
Another example of USA 'greatness' being just a pipe dream.
Sounds like you're a chicken-hawk, just like these whores on TV, selling another war for BLOODYISRAEL are you?????
Got out of the wrong side of the bed did you
Near the upstairs window?
However, a distinction should be made between blowbacks from other Nations and from terrorist cells, who really need no reason just a pretense.
You took me wrong....Chalmers Johnson wrote 'Blowback' before 911 fyi....
you think the young in Iraq or Afghanistan won't hold a grudge against the USA for their lifetimes?
As would every Iranian...
Blowback in the meaning of a rainstorm of 911's....
To put it more simply...The warmongers would have to take it to the last man, woman and child.
Drive a steak thru the heart of this insane republican party.
For gods sake all they want to do is spend money building bombs to bomb other people with. Does anyone else see the insanity that these people are spreading around the planet?
republicanism is a mental illness! 25% of America needs to be in a rubber room under heavy sedation and antipsycotic drugs. I have not seen one republican congressman or senator that acts like anything less then a full blown idiot! And what they have on the TV so called news Give me a break. If you put all the honesty and intellectual power of every person on these, (I don't really know what to call these propagandaised bullshit sessions we call the news)shows loaded it up like gun powder you wouldn't get enough to blow your nose.
Just turn them off, don't buy their news papers or magazines, or books. They have killed themselves by becomming nothing more then paid liars. So let let them fade away. We should no longer care what becomes of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
their collective hearts, eh?
What about the Democratic Party? What have they done for YOU lately??
I was just reading last night about a whole new generation of cowardly DRONES that the Obama Administration is unveiling to continue the "good fight" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Drones that fly at 60,000 feet and send photos of "taxi's and wedding parties" back to the "play station" where our BRAVE military thousands of miles away can push a button and presto!!! Oops!! Oh, gee....you mean that intell was wrong?? That wasn't an AL QUEDA hang out? It was a wedding party?...Oh well."
I won't go into my rant against the Democrats for this rotten health care legislation they're trying to force down our throats.
If stakes are going to be driven, I say a pox on ALL their houses.
Oh, and BTW...here's who the United States MSM should be interviewing regarding the subject of who should wage all out war against Iran....Russia. How about having a little sit down with Medvedev, Wolfie???
I think once the American people realize that the United Nations I.A.E.A. is cooperating with Iran's nuclear facilities inspections and that Iran is in COMPLIANCE with inspections and that ISRAEL CONTINUES TO REFUSE TO HAVE ANY INSPECTIONS OF ANY OF IT'S NUCLEAR FACILITIES INCLUDING IT'S 200 NUCLEAR WEAPONS that the song of Lindsay Graham and Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and all the others will change.
just finish bankrupting the entire American economy. Three wars at once: Oh goody, let me see how fast my Defense Industry stocks can rise when these idiots have their way.
Another war in this fragile economy would be suicide, there is not enough dark sarcasm to accurately describe the terrible effect it would have on this country. Iran has the right to defend itself, as any country does. The misinformation of "wanting to obliterate Israel", which is not what they actually said, is a useful propaganda tool for the the warmongers who are actually evil war profiteers. Always remember, as Smedly Butler said, war is racket and very rarely justified.
That's why I need these earplugs.
'I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism' That is what Smedley Butler said about war.
I got his book.
However, he was speaking of his career late 19th early 20th century. He was actually itching to go into battle during WWI, but died before Pearl Harbor, when presumably even he would've been for WWII.
at their disposal, listening to Republican calls for military action around the world is akin to listening to calls for the importance of World War III for the sake of increasing the revenue stream to defense contractors, and enlarging our military industrial complex.
600 billion dollars a year is just not enough to spend on weapons and war, we must continue paying private contractors/mercenaries over 100,000 a year to occupy, detain, torture and kill Iraqi's and Afghan's on behalf of the United States. And we need more aircraft carriers and nuclear powered subs, too.
Lindsey Graham/John McCain/Joe Liebermann, a trio of douchebags who I cannot listen to speak on the necessity of anything, but especially anything to do with foreign policy and attacking and killing more innocent human beings somewhere
Lindsey Graham is one of those people who make my skin crawl when I hear him talk. Talk like this never helps make a bad situation better, yet if the social revolution we keep waiting for does not take hold in Iran. You can bet we may be sorry in a couple of years, I have no doubt people like Ahmadinejad are all to eager to wipe Israel off the map with a nuke if they could.
Here is the US-UN expert who was right about IRAQ'S WMD:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/29/fmr_un_...
The Biggest "Terrorist Cells" are the US and Israel's Elite of Warmongering, Chicken-Hawks who support both Empires' Agenda.
Sadly they Control the MSM of both Countries. The free press is no longer free!
It's all over but the clean up, the rounding up of all intellectuals, book burning, kids taught to report their neighbors, and friends, ........................There's a book called the Velvet Junta which I would imagine describes the rape, pillaging, looting, sacking, corrpution, torture, LIES common.
.... not so much. But Lieberman and AIPAC seem to be effective in turning "Democrats" into "Republican fearing" mercenaries for Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbjgDERSuiI
And read Pepe Escobar's take on all this:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/10/01-3
It's incredible to think that here we have Iraq Part 2 with Iran, a country that is not at war with any other country and that is in compliance with the I.A.E.A. and there's a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT who is actually pow-wowing with Gates and others on whether or not to strike Iran militarily!!!
Whether it's the United States or Israel doing the dirty deed it will be immoral, unjustified and hypocritical, especially with our "ally" Israel thumbing its nose to the the world and not allowing any on site inspections of its 200 nuclear weapons!!!
Yes. Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. I like that song…
Let’s get N Korea too. And the pesky little Venezuela is a PIA as well. While we’re in the neighborhood, that China country is getting much too big for our breeches. They shouldn’t be able to fly around their country like they own the skies or something. Don’t get me started about France – they’ve been asking for it for years. Hey Russia – pay-back time.
USA! USA! USA! Up yours – all you other people!
Eventually they will learn the error of their ways and change their behavior to better suit Lindsay Graham, man of men.
I would say we're just as unpopular around the Arab world as the Israelis.
The US still has it's allies in the Arab world. The Saudis, the Kuwaitis and a few others are still quite grateful for US support. They fear the Iranian leadership with good cause.
Allies don't necessarily like each other.
One can expect them to try to support all sides
Especially if there's money to be made
It's what we'd do.
necessarily like each other. Countries don't have friends, they have interests.
I especially like the way they have all their little terrorist madrasas schools and the way they treat women as animals.
I'm rubbing two sticks together in the hopes that they'll be a revolution there against the sheiks.
I wonder whose side we'd be on in that one? The people who want freedom and a share of the oil profits of the country or of the sheiks who dine every night on solid gold plates?
I like the Saudis? Like every other country they have left and right wing extremists. Don't hold your breath waiting for a revolution. As long as the Saudi princes have oil revenue they'll be able to buy domestic peace from all but the most ardent Wahabists.
Or shouldn't the CIA or Mossad be able to destroy their nuclear capabilities?
Where is Mitch Rapp when you need him?
Or even:
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=3i7lU4HVgA4
Or
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=Ait8WKjryGI
?
That is fucking crazy talk. What is going on in this country?
(John), no evidently there is no country these nut jobs don't want to blow up.
are not so far from Obama's blurbs about Iran. "Our patience is not unlimited...". Crap like that.
Gee Linseed... Israel didnt need US help or permission to attack the women and children in Gaza did they ? Did they need US help ( although they probably got it anyways) to commit war crimes ( UNs words..not mine) against the Gaza population ? Did Netanyahoo ask US permission to ignore Obama and keep stealing Pali land ? I understand though Lindsey that you have your nose, so fucking far, up AIPACS and the Zionists ass, you can only see their butt cheeks. Let Israel go it alone. Ill grab a bowl of popcorn. [Deleted-Sitemonitor]
He's deciding National policy on some suppressed something.
These people , caring not for humanity, want to end their horrible existence along with the rest of us.
This country is doomed if we follow the duel citizenship members of congress to the gates of hell with the push back guaranteed on an Israel strike to Iran. It's time to tell Israel AMERICA supports a Nuclear free Middle East.
"I think an Israeli attack on Iran is a nightmare for the world, because it will rally the Arab world around Iran and they're not aligned now."
Remove the word "Israeli" from the above sentence and tell me how an American attack on a THIRD Arab nation would not have the same result (or worse)?
"A third Arab nation?" You're so ignorant, you should have had a job in the Bush administration. Iran isn't an Arab nation, and I'll bet a lot of background pressure for this bombing Iran idea is coming from the Sunni Arab nations, starting with Saudi Arabia. They hate and fear Iran.
I wish more people cold admit that this situation is complex. Instead everyone just takes sides. I'm not saying I want war with Iran... I'm just saying this situation is complex.
When in doubt, pull out.
Can we afford an invasion of Iran? Do we need an exit strategy for this conflict or is that too complicated to think about?
Yes, then we'll have Pakistan surrounded, and they will have to change their behavior too.
The Middle East is almost fixed. As of today's Sunday Show, three wars down adn about seven more to go.
The missiles would be flying already.
There are a number of things going on here. The primary goal right now is to get Iran to pull out of the second round of talks so we can say that they are untrustworthy. We have pulled this trick on them a few times, and Israel pulls it on the Palestenians all of the time.
The immediate goal is to have "crippling sanctions." This means cutting off their gas supply. Just like we did to the Japanese in the 1940's. (How did that work out?) Crazy talk like "bomb all of their ships and planes" is intended to make "cut off their energy supplies" seem reasonable.
There are a couple of other side goals. One is to create so much heat and hype that the news that Israel has likely committed crimes against humanity (according to a U.N. report) gets buried so far down the memory hole that it never sees the light of day here. The other is the continuing program to create hate and fear to Muslims so that Israel's occupation and genocide can continue without interference. (Israel fired rockets into Gaza yesterday, did anybody notice?)
George
Despite the talk, Obama's actions so far have been reasonable and he is showing exactly why I worked so hard to elect him. There is a tightrope that he has to walk -- if it becomes clear that the US isn't going to try to wipe Iran off the face of the map then the hawks in Israel will attack. (If we are lucky it will be Iran that they attack.)
The warmongers are acting as if we can do all of this to Iran and expect nothing to happen to the United States in return. If we try to sink all of Iran's ships, why wouldn't they try to sink ours? If 19 people could cause 9/11, what could an entire country do if it put its mind to it? The U.S. is a very insecure nation. (In more ways than one.)
We got away with a lot in the Iraq war because Saddam never believed that the US would go as far as it did, he always held out some hope of a reconcilation. We can't pull that trick twice.
This Graham freak had crawled out of the repiglickin cesspool and was on his way to perhaps one day 100k years from now having one of his offspring not drag their knuckles on the earth while they walk...
As usual when it comes to having an extended hand of hope for these homunculus bastards I am wrong... never bet on RED to do anything worth shit...
was that Lindsay will father offspring. ;o}
The Iranians hate their government.
Iran is an imminent threat to Israel and the United States.
Iran is ruled by a brutal dictator.
Iran supports terrorism. (I haven't heard that Iran was behind 9/11 but I am sure it is coming.
The U.S. wants a nuclear free Middle East. (Irony alert)
Iran is working on "advanced" "long range" rockets that might be capable of carrying WMDs.
Iran is in violation of U.N. resolutions. (Irony alert)
Iran is a backward nation opposed to modernity (but they want nukes.)
UN officials are hiding secret information on Iran that proves their guilt.
...the US would be acting as Israel's proxy--and the Arabs as well as the rest of the world would know it and launch even more terrorist attacks against us.
If Israel jeopardizes US and world security by attacking Iran, the US should bomb Israel.
The time has come for the US to stop propping up the rogue nation of Israel. Once we cut off all funding to that evil state, Israel will collapse and the Palestinians will get their homeland back.
*cough*
than bomb Israel.
and do the math...
1953....1980-88....July 3, 1988.
The USA is responsible for way more deaths of Iranians than vice versa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo135x0oXo8&fe...
It's shameful that we can't send these bastards to was. So what that he was a judge advocate, he wasn't in battle. We lost 8 soldiers in Afghanistan in the last 24 hours and don't have enough troops to send there, if the president decided to send more. This clown wants to talk about aggresion against another country?
How come it is much more acceptable to spend trillions killing people than it is to spend a few billion healing them?
found in the identities of the beneficiaries. ;o}
if we healed them , they would want jobs and houses , and who can profit on peace .
Builders, doctors, teachers, etc...
But who, in government, has ever cared about THOSE guys?
graham is just a whinney ass
f#ckup. if he wants to go to war
with iran, then by all means load
his ass up and send him in with the
rest of the neocons. and btw give
them the same F#cked up equipment
they gave our brave troops in iraq
and afganistan.
Hell, let him put on tights and a red cape and go in as Captain Repub. He show 'dem brown peoples whats what!
Will this do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6uXEvl91Wo&fe...
But here's my preference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7nnNvf_h8
please offer to secede from the Union again.
to be strapped on to the first bomb dropped on Iran I might actually consider it.
What a loathsome prevaricator.
than , Slim Pickens
Kissinger tells us how to win in Afghanistan: http://www.newsweek.com/id/216704
So how did that Vietnam thing go, Hank?
Someone please remind me why anyone is even talking about attacking Iran. Oh yeah, that's right....we don't need a reason. My bad.
If we attack Iran it will have less to do with nuclear weapons and more to do about what the invasion of Iraq was about and that is oil and a gateway to the Caspian Basin. Our warhawks may not have plans to attack Iran just yet, but they always want to be able to attack when the globalists and financiers decide it is time.
It is our own foreign policy towards Iran that has pushed them to GET or build nuclear weapons. We have proven we have not problem exploiting another country's resources for our use and manipulation on the world stage.
These people are insane ignoramuses. An "all or nothing", "full-out military strike" means at least 500,000 US troops, a protracted land war followed by a lengthy occupation, catastrophic losses of lives and equipment, $200/barrel oil, the alienation of the large moderate/liberal element of the Iranian people, the radicalization of Pakistan (which DOES have nuclear weapons, right now), the addition of a few more trillion dollars of debt to the US balance sheet, a recession/depression far worse than the one the US is coming out of now, new generations of radical Islamists, the end of peace prospects in Israel . . .
And on and on.
Here is the US-UN expert who was right about IRAQ'S WMD:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/29/fmr_un_...
The Biggest "Terrorist Cells" are the US and Israel's Elite of Warmongering, Chicken-Hawks who support both Empires' Agenda.
Sadly they Control the MSM of both Countries. The free press is no longer free!
But if we decide to attack Iran... just which "allies" are we talking about? I don't think you're going to get too many other countries interested in another Iraq or Afghanistan. Once again, you're talking about America going for regime change in Iran so our elitist one percenters can lay hands on THEIR oil too.
There can never be enough blood spilled in the Middle East to sate the appetites of Chickenhawks like Graham and Kristol.
They'd love to dip their fangs into another large scale altercation.
So if Israel feels like attacking Iran-and getting wiped off the map, that's their business- But America should not be sucked into such an idiotic move.
If America attacked Iran, that could literally trigger WW3.....
Which is what the radical Christian nuts want....They want Jesus to come back...
"Which is what the radical Christian nuts want."
Yeah well they'd get their-and our-collective asses raptured into irradiated clouds of bone meal in the offing.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past
Nutcase Christian Republicans WANT an nukes to fly in the middle east, because they feel it will trigger the 'End Times', when their fictional Jesus will make his return...
The radical Christians are a FAR greater threat to peace and the safety of this planet than the radical Muslims...(although Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all equally repugnant cults)
America has already dropped 2 nukes on civilan populations, so why does america have the right to decide who can and cannot have nukes?
I think the world should bar the US from possesing nukes...
The only reason why the US pays so much attention to Iran is because of its oil. American oilmen (people?) are pissed that Iran is not gladly allowing them access to their oil fields, and additionally, Iran is working with China and Russia against the pipeline that our nation supposedly wants (we did start two wars for it). So, in the grand tradition of American diplomacy we will start a war based on lies in order to take what we want, leaving the effects of those actions to future generations.
See Pepe Escobar's latest article here and look here and here.
I'm just not buying the whole "They have nukes!" story for a reason to start a war. But, then again I'm never buying any reason for war.
Just how stupid are those people?
Iran wants one nuclear weapon because Israel has at least 150. And for that matter, it still hasn't been proven that Iran actually is trying to build one, it's just more speculation.
Morons like Graham are more concerned about "pro-life" than being against proliferation.
Not to mention the rest of the world.
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